The Ridley Report Covers Keene Freedom Fest 4/5

October 31, 2008 by toby
Filed under: Freedom Fest, Issues, Outreach, Personal Freedom, Police, Video

NH: Keene Cops vs. Freedom Fest 4/5

George Vreeland Hill

I want to attend the next event.

This one looked like a lot of fun.

Too bad that government and their police think they can bully those who want change.

It is clear that government is intimidated by people who stand up for change, because the people have the power to change things.

Government does not want people to stand up and speak up.

Government wants to stand up and be the force.

Freedom and people always win in the end.

History proves that.

We need government, but we do not need government to act like an ass.

George Vreeland Hill
http://speakoutdanville.org/bbs Curt Springer

Just FYI, conviction is a misdemeanor. That means you become a criminal upon conviction, as opposed to a speeding ticket, which is a (non-criminal) violation. I know some of you would wear that as a badge of honor, but be aware that for the rest of your life, if you are filling out a job or other application, and you are asked if you have ever been convicted of a crime, the only truthful answer is "yes". It could shut off opportunities. Something to think about.
elkheart

Sorry, Curt. You're wrong again. "Criminal upon conviction" of *WHAT*???…A bogus notice??? Is a bogus conviction still *legal*???…I've been ***FRAUDULENTLY CONVICTED***in kangaroo district court. Does that count??? Actually, I have never been convicted of a crime in kangaroo district court. They either drop the charges, or the crooked judge just signs some paper…You really underestimate us, Curt…And, you give the local *THUGS* too much credit…it was more like a cop clusterflop, than any *legitimate* "police action"…rivera had to leave, before he blew a head gasket…
http://speakoutdanville.org/bbs Curt Springer

286:5 Penalty. – Whoever violates the provisions of RSA 286:1-4 shall be guilty of a misdemeanor if a natural person, or guilty of a felony if any other person. It shall be the duty of the selectmen to prosecute for every violation of this chapter.

Elkheart, you obviously can fend for yourself, you don't need any advice from me. But I think you would agree with me that these are young people most of whom who don't have much experience with the system and they should understand the issues. If they had lawyers, the lawyers would make sure that the charges were knocked down to violations if they couldn't get outright acquittals. Without legal representation, the judge might or might not knock the charge down without being asked.
elkheart

Thanks, Curt. Yeah, sure, "fend", as in "eke out a bare survival-level existence"…You're right, I don't *NEED* advice from you, but I sure do value your input & feedback. It's always been thoughtful & genuine, I believe. Actually, Curt, most of this wouldn't be necessary, if we had *REAL JUDGES*, & *REAL (independent, licensed attorney)PROSECUTORS*. The "system" we have now in NH is an open invitation to *CORRUPTION & THUGGERY*…on Sept 22/23, 1998, I was *FRAUDULENTLY* arrested, *TWICE* by the Keene PIGS. My "lawyer" was Hampton Howard, of the Keene Public Defenders' office. My "trial" finally occured in Jan/Feb, 1999. The first charge was so *BOGUS*, that the "police persecutor", Richard R.Richards("Dickies our dicks"…) dropped it. The second charge, "disorderly conduct", was a result of my not being suicidal. Yes, you read that correctly. I wasn't suicidal, so the police arrested me. I was home at the time. So after dragging out the charade for months, the charge was dropped at the request of *my "lawyer", Hampton Howard*. You shoulda' seen the look on Richards' face…So if the charge was so bogus – which it absolutely was – why did the judge allow it to even be brought forward? Why didn't Hampton motion for it's dismissal months earlier? See Curt, you still don't "get it"…Jumanjiville/Kangaroo/Keene *IS NOT* a *LEGITIMATE* court of law! The court can't, & *WON'T* even follow it's *OWN RULES*! &Peoples' lives are hurt. Like I've said before, if I'm not the posterchild for court reform, who is???…When the "cops-n-court" violate *THEIR OWN LAWS & RULES*, when the court allows itself to be *USED & MANIPULATED* as a *WEAPON*, then where do we, the victims, turn for help? Molly Kelly or Tom Eaton???…*HAH*! The Executive Council?…*HAH!* Article 10, NH Constitution???…*HAH*!…Got any good answers for *that*, Curt???…I'll wait patiently…now to cite RSA 286….
http://speakoutdanville.org/bbs Curt Springer

Hey Elkheart, the fact that you had a public defender tells us you were up on something serious. Possible jail time. Innocent until proven guilty, of course.

It used to be that in theory you could go to jail for any misdemeanor, but then they decided they didn't want to have to pay for public defenders all the time. So they made most misdemeanors, like the one under discussion, punishable by fines only. But the criminal conviction is far worse than the fine.

I've noticed that when they round up a bunch of people for something like attempting to solicit prostitution, the guys with lawyers always plea bargain down to a violation-level offense as fast as they can. They pay the fine and walk away with no record. The chumps without lawyers plead guilty or are found guilty at the misdemeanor level and wind up with a scarlet letter.
elkheart

CURT: I read RSA 286. I really don't think it applies to the Keene Freedom Fest. *That* was the point I was trying to make. Do you have some direct or personal knowledge that the cops were citing people for a violation of RSA 286???…You're so *so* *SO* naive, Curt. My experience in Kangaroo court is that their standard is "Guilty, unless you can prove your innocence." Kangaroo court operates on a basis of "guilty until innocent", not the other way around, as you naively suggest…And, Curt, it's still true that "you *can* go to jail for any misdemeanor"…but, realistically, think of it like this: Suppose that every criminal charge resulted in a conviction, & a *maximum allowable punishment*…In Jumanjiville/Kangaroo/Keene alone, that would be about 50,000 – 100,000 *PERSONYEARS* in jail, per year. In other words, if *EVERY* "defendent" was found guilty, & maximum sentence imposed, we'd need about 50 – 100 NEW JAILS, in Cheshire Co., alone! The *REALITY* is, unless "they" *really*, *REALLY* want you in jail, it's actually fairly difficult to get oneself incarcerated in Cheshire County. "Pre-trial confinement" does continue to be a favorite tactic, tho…thnx 4 rye-ting!…*grin*~E~…
http://speakoutdanville.org/bbs Curt Springer

RSA 286 is cited as the authority for the Keene ordinances regarding getting a permit for public assemblies.

Class A and B Misdemeanors