Liberty Activists Call WKBK’s “Talkback” 2008-12-20

5 Comments on Liberty Activists Call WKBK’s “Talkback” 2008-12-20

Vesuvius on Sun, 21st Dec 2008 2:41 pm


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Did you hear that? A new convert via Talkback! The peaceful education evolution is on the march!


Dan Steward on Mon, 22nd Dec 2008 1:26 am


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I remember that guy from last week’s show. He acted as though he had a big problem with Free-Staters. It took only a week for a major turnaround on his part.

Did you also catch Cynthia’s absurd mutterings about education at public schools being better than private ones? I only caught what was on the mp3 in this thread, as I live in SW Indiana & not NH so I can’t get the entire show. Did anyone call in to challenge her ignorant statement?

With Liberty,

Dan Steward


severin on Mon, 22nd Dec 2008 9:43 am


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Sam is right about the electric company and the other guy was wrong.

While it is true that I can produce my own electricity (as long as I can get the building permits and don’t violate any sort of zoning code or noise codes that a windmill might violate, etc), it is completely untrue that you can then sell that extra electricity to your neighbor (even if the “deregulated” California). The facts are that almost anywhere in the country it is illegal to sell any extra electricity you produce to anyone except the government approved electric company, and they will pay you wholesale prices for it. So if I find that I pay $100 a month for electricity and I can buy a windmill for 12,000 that produces the electricity I need for myself I might not believe the 10 year return is worthwhile, however if I could pay 13,000 for a bigger windmill and produce twice as much electricity as I need, I am not allowed to sell the excess to my neighbor collecting the $100 a month that he spends on electricity and cutting my payback time in half. The most I could hope for is to sell the excess wholesale and maybe get $20-$30 dollars for the excess.


SamIam on Mon, 22nd Dec 2008 10:14 am


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Exactly Severin,

No different than making the finances work for single vs. Multi-family rental properties. It’s a lot easier to make a rental with several units profitable.

Power producer for my neighborhood, would likely interconnect with other power producers in the area to serve a backups for each other.

If we have diversity in power generation technology, an outage is even less likely. Say my windmill freezes up, but my neighbors geothermal system, and another neighbors solar system is fine, well I’m still powering my customers, but I’m paying a premium because I’m not generating it, so I have a profit incentive to get my power plant working again soon.

Today, power companies run power lines hundreds of miles from the coal/nuclear plant. Tree branches fall across and break the lines causing outages. The distribution system is the flaw in the design, it radiates off gigawatts of electricity while serving as a single point of failure for large swaths of customers.

A decentralized system suffers from the same problems, but on a much smaller scale, with a backup plan, and a profit motive to ensure availability. Humm, what other system works this way? I can think of at least one.

When was the last time tie internet went down? When was the last time an email was unable to route between two connected segments of the network? The Internet has never gone down completely. (Usually the failure is the distribution network of the command and control government monopolized service provider) Noticing a pattern here. . .


Iain on Tue, 23rd Dec 2008 4:48 pm


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GREAT show!

I too love to hear this convert. At first I thought he might be being sarcastic.

I love the idea of providing power to the neighbors who want to participate. It would be a good way off the grid. If we get a block of freestaters with wind shared and solar on individual houses that would be neat. If the power company wanted to say something then it would be vs the entire block of houses :]

Thanks for continuing to post this Ian. Hope to be up there early next year.

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