Comments on: Raw Footage: Andrew Carroll’s Arrest and the Street Procession http://freekeene.com/2009/01/11/raw-footage-andrew-carrolls-arrest-and-the-street-procession/ Peaceful Evolution Mon, 21 May 2012 08:34:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: zaphar http://freekeene.com/2009/01/11/raw-footage-andrew-carrolls-arrest-and-the-street-procession/comment-page-1/#comment-77447 zaphar Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:30:51 +0000 http://freekeene.com/?p=1064#comment-77447 "I am not sure that one man getting arressted will end it or even be a big enough deal to change the minds of the government." Well, it's better to try and fail, than take a path of inaction and not know. "I am not sure that one man getting arressted will end it or even be a big enough deal to change the minds of the government."

Well, it's better to try and fail, than take a path of inaction and not know.

]]> By: Curt Springer http://freekeene.com/2009/01/11/raw-footage-andrew-carrolls-arrest-and-the-street-procession/comment-page-1/#comment-77436 Curt Springer Mon, 12 Jan 2009 08:16:13 +0000 http://freekeene.com/?p=1064#comment-77436 That's incorrect. I looked it up. The federal guarantee of a jury trial does not apply to state trials. The NH constitution only guarantees a jury trial in capital cases. Current statutes (RSAs) only provide for jury trials for class A misdemeanors and felonies. That's incorrect. I looked it up.

The federal guarantee of a jury trial does not apply to state trials. The NH constitution only guarantees a jury trial in capital cases. Current statutes (RSAs) only provide for jury trials for class A misdemeanors and felonies.

]]> By: ColdSoul http://freekeene.com/2009/01/11/raw-footage-andrew-carrolls-arrest-and-the-street-procession/comment-page-1/#comment-77432 ColdSoul Mon, 12 Jan 2009 01:07:40 +0000 http://freekeene.com/?p=1064#comment-77432 You always have the right to a Jury trial, it is just you must take/appeal the charge to the Superior Court where you will be allowed one. Most people lose and then fail to appeal to the Superior Court which is where you are guaranteed a Jury trial from my understanding. You always have the right to a Jury trial, it is just you must take/appeal the charge to the Superior Court where you will be allowed one. Most people lose and then fail to appeal to the Superior Court which is where you are guaranteed a Jury trial from my understanding.

]]> By: Curt Springer http://freekeene.com/2009/01/11/raw-footage-andrew-carrolls-arrest-and-the-street-procession/comment-page-1/#comment-77428 Curt Springer Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:05:56 +0000 http://freekeene.com/?p=1064#comment-77428 I wrote <blockquote>At least Andrew will have a criminal record (yes I know most of you don’t care, we’ve been over that) and have to pay some fine. At most he will try to have a show trial and try to discuss jury nullification then really have trouble with the court.</blockquote> As noted in one of the videos, this was incorrect. I thought that with Class B you still had the right to a jury, just not a free lawyer. But with Class B you lose your right to a jury trial. So there will be no show trial or jury nullification. I don't thing the trial in district court will be a "show trial" much as I am sure some people would like it to be. I wrote

At least Andrew will have a criminal record (yes I know most of you don’t care, we’ve been over that) and have to pay some fine. At most he will try to have a show trial and try to discuss jury nullification then really have trouble with the court.

As noted in one of the videos, this was incorrect. I thought that with Class B you still had the right to a jury, just not a free lawyer. But with Class B you lose your right to a jury trial. So there will be no show trial or jury nullification.

I don't thing the trial in district court will be a "show trial" much as I am sure some people would like it to be.

]]> By: Curt Springer http://freekeene.com/2009/01/11/raw-footage-andrew-carrolls-arrest-and-the-street-procession/comment-page-1/#comment-77427 Curt Springer Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:48:16 +0000 http://freekeene.com/?p=1064#comment-77427 I work in Cambridge. I pay Mass income tax. I told everyone in my office that I would appreciate their vote to abolish the Mass income tax, acknowledging that it would save me money and not cause me any lack of government services. We have zoning in my town but the town is really sensitive to property rights. I am proud to serve on the Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA) because it is our role to ensure that people can use their property even if there are circumstances where it does not strictly conform to the zoning law. One difference between Mass and NH is that our reps and senators do not have "aides". They are paid $100 per year plus mileage and have no assigned staff. I work in Cambridge. I pay Mass income tax. I told everyone in my office that I would appreciate their vote to abolish the Mass income tax, acknowledging that it would save me money and not cause me any lack of government services.

We have zoning in my town but the town is really sensitive to property rights. I am proud to serve on the Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA) because it is our role to ensure that people can use their property even if there are circumstances where it does not strictly conform to the zoning law.

One difference between Mass and NH is that our reps and senators do not have "aides". They are paid $100 per year plus mileage and have no assigned staff.

]]> By: geofalon007 http://freekeene.com/2009/01/11/raw-footage-andrew-carrolls-arrest-and-the-street-procession/comment-page-1/#comment-77426 geofalon007 Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:24:45 +0000 http://freekeene.com/?p=1064#comment-77426 Curt I am in Massachusetts. I have believed that something is wrong with this country for along time. I decided to get involved where I am. I am battling certain people in government that believe it is ok to use zoning by laws to impose there will. I have tried to get elected to the planning board and will try again. As for the legislative body in NH knowing about Andrew, that is for the people in the movement to let them know about it. If you want to make changes, you need to know the current players. It seems to me everyone in the movement should know their State Senator and State Rep and their aides. Ian is probably right about many people seeing the videos but that does not translate into laws being past to end the prohibition of pot. I am really suprised that the Massachusetts Legislature did not find a way around the mandate of the people. They managed to find a way to not roll back the income taxes. Curt

I am in Massachusetts. I have believed that something is wrong with this country for along time. I decided to get involved where I am. I am battling certain people in government that believe it is ok to use zoning by laws to impose there will. I have tried to get elected to the planning board and will try again.

As for the legislative body in NH knowing about

Andrew, that is for the people in the movement to let them know about it.

If you want to make changes, you need to know the current players. It seems to me everyone in the movement should know their State Senator and State Rep and their aides.

Ian is probably right about many people seeing the videos but that does not translate into laws being past to end the prohibition of pot.

I am really suprised that the Massachusetts Legislature did not find a way around the mandate of the people.

They managed to find a way to not roll back the income taxes.

]]> By: Curt Springer http://freekeene.com/2009/01/11/raw-footage-andrew-carrolls-arrest-and-the-street-procession/comment-page-1/#comment-77425 Curt Springer Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:16:05 +0000 http://freekeene.com/?p=1064#comment-77425 Note I said "nobody outside the liberty movement." How many of our 424 state reps and senators will ever hear about this? Note I said "nobody outside the liberty movement."

How many of our 424 state reps and senators will ever hear about this?

]]> By: Ian http://freekeene.com/2009/01/11/raw-footage-andrew-carrolls-arrest-and-the-street-procession/comment-page-1/#comment-77424 Ian Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:07:33 +0000 http://freekeene.com/?p=1064#comment-77424 Lots of people will see these videos, so you're wrong. Lots of people will see these videos, so you're wrong.

]]> By: Curt Springer http://freekeene.com/2009/01/11/raw-footage-andrew-carrolls-arrest-and-the-street-procession/comment-page-1/#comment-77423 Curt Springer Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:03:02 +0000 http://freekeene.com/?p=1064#comment-77423 Geofalon, if you don't mind, what state are you in? Just based on your reference to "representative town meeting" in some post, I'm guessing Mass. There was a bill to legalize hemp, which failed. I think there was a bill to legalize possession of pot, similar to Mass. If so, it failed too. I don't think there is any big zeal to crack down on marijuana possession, as opposed to sales. When I was young, 30+ years ago, people smoked pot fairly openly. That was before Nancy Reagan and the war on drugs and all that. My sense is that prosecution for pot possession is incidental to something else. So if you get pulled over for something, and they have a legal reason to search your car and they find pot, you will be charged. If more and more white middle class people smoke dope openly, the cops will start mostly ignoring it, again. Ian, you should know from your recent experience that there is a daily rate for jail time in lieu of paying a fine. So if Andrew states that he will not pay, they will take him into custody for some number of days. And nobody outside the liberty movement will even know about it. Just as nobody outside the liberty movement knows about what happened yesterday. It's the old saw about what if the tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it. Geofalon, if you don't mind, what state are you in? Just based on your reference to "representative town meeting" in some post, I'm guessing Mass.

There was a bill to legalize hemp, which failed. I think there was a bill to legalize possession of pot, similar to Mass. If so, it failed too.

I don't think there is any big zeal to crack down on marijuana possession, as opposed to sales. When I was young, 30+ years ago, people smoked pot fairly openly. That was before Nancy Reagan and the war on drugs and all that.

My sense is that prosecution for pot possession is incidental to something else. So if you get pulled over for something, and they have a legal reason to search your car and they find pot, you will be charged.

If more and more white middle class people smoke dope openly, the cops will start mostly ignoring it, again.

Ian, you should know from your recent experience that there is a daily rate for jail time in lieu of paying a fine. So if Andrew states that he will not pay, they will take him into custody for some number of days. And nobody outside the liberty movement will even know about it. Just as nobody outside the liberty movement knows about what happened yesterday.

It's the old saw about what if the tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it.

]]> By: geofalon007 http://freekeene.com/2009/01/11/raw-footage-andrew-carrolls-arrest-and-the-street-procession/comment-page-1/#comment-77422 geofalon007 Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:28:29 +0000 http://freekeene.com/?p=1064#comment-77422 I dont know what they will do when you have 20 people possessing and smoking cannabis. I bet they bring a large number of police and arresst everyone. I bet they figure out how to charge them with more than possession. Distubing the peace, disorderly conduct, trespass, inciting a riot...I don't know . It really depends on the will of the police chief in the town or city you do this in doesn't it. It also depends on the State Police and the District Attorney. What is the overall climate in New Hampshire regarding pot anyway? Is someone pushing a bill to remove the prohibition on cannibis? I am not talking about a civil fine either. I am talking making it legal. I agree that the prohibition on pot must end. I am not sure that one man getting arressted will end it or even be a big enough deal to change the minds of the government. I dont know what they will do when you have 20 people

possessing and smoking cannabis. I bet they bring a large number of police and arresst everyone. I bet they figure out how to charge them with more than possession. Distubing the peace, disorderly conduct, trespass, inciting a riot…I don't know .

It really depends on the will of the police chief in the town or city you do this in doesn't it. It also depends on the State Police and the District Attorney.

What is the overall climate in New Hampshire regarding pot anyway? Is someone pushing a bill to remove the prohibition on cannibis? I am not talking about a civil fine either. I am talking making it legal.

I agree that the prohibition on pot must end. I am not sure that one man getting arressted will end it or even be a big enough deal to change the minds of the government.

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