I wasn’t spending any time digging around or hunting for IPs. Talk about paranoid!

So I don’t live in Keene or in NH, never have, so I have no interest in anything involved with you, right? Wrong. You know the big paint chip selection center at your local Home Depot store (in Keene)? Myself and my crew built that thing. Our lives touch each other in a myriad of ways with little regard to governmental lines in the sand. To ignore the opinions of those who might bring services to your economy remotely or pass through for a time and utilize the services your local economy offers is to be a bit short sighted, in my opinion.

If the Free State Project succeeds, it will be a victory for the preservation of the liberty of all individuals, even those of you who cling to the bosom of government so tightly. If it’s too scary, you also have the right to leave, or to set up a government of your own. What you don’t have the right to do is to force others to participate in it.

Thanks to all who participate here. Freedom lovers and dissenters both. Your arguments help me to clarify my own presentations of the ideas of liberty where I live. And yes, I disagree with the government supporters. But I have hope that they can be reformed.

Thanks

Andy in Michigan

As for not living in Keene or NH. What’s the problem? The discussion with AnAmazedReader was regarding Keene FSP members and impact. And why was it assumed I’m a FSP participant? Have I been to Keene or NH? Sure. I was visiting just last weekend. Was looking at property in the area.

I’d like to point out that again we have a rather aggressive anonymous poster who is just attacking people rather than actually having an intellectual discussion. And the FSP participants are being called childish?

As for recording in the lobby… If you’ve ever been in a situation where you desire to record and are unsure as to what may happen moment to moment you start filming early and you don’t stop till it is an obvious lull in action or the event is over. Better to have too much footage than too little. Especially when it may be recording an illegitimate act.

Hey I was wondering if someone could tell me why Sam and others, if I am mistaken, decided to videotape in the lobby.

A) That’s where the action was and B) the Gestapo wouldn’t let them film in the courtroom where another friend was being arraigned and C) because the bureaucrats often claim that there are two kinds of property: Public and Private.

We all know what Private Property is: Someone owns it. But what’s this “Public” Property thing they speak of?

Well, according to most bureaucrats, it’s property owned by *everyone* and therefore, *anyone* can use it.

The lobby used by Sam and the others was supposed to fall under this definition so they reasonably assumed they could film in the lobby since they weren’t allowed to in the courtroom (despite state law urging that it be allowed in all but the most extreme circumstances) — which is also supposed to be public!

But you know, it turns out that this definition is often bogus and this group calling itself “government” actually claims private ownership over that property. So long as you don’t get them too riled up by being excessively free and all, they might let you use it — so long as you follow a whole bunch of stipulations that they arbitrarily make up.

What kind of court was it?

It was a “District Court”.

Were there non-government people being videotaped?

I don’t know, maybe someone else can answer that. What I do know is that I’ve never known a liberty activist that would refuse a polite request from another peaceful human being not to film them though.

I know if I was anywhere, including on public property, I wouldn’t want to be videotaped by anyone.

And if I were filming and you told me that, I’d respect your wishes.

So why tape in the lobby? I can definitely see wanting to tape the judge or a trial though. There’s nothing like fascist TV.

I think it all starts with this definition of Public Property the bureaucrats like to bandy about. Apparently, it only means one thing when you obey them and means the complete opposite when you don’t.

The courtroom was supposed to be Public but they were prevented from filming there. So they were forced to stay in the lobby… and they were told the definition of Public had changed there as well and they had to leave.

Of course, this flip-flopping with definitions and whatnot didn’t sit well with Sam and when Lance, the Court Security Guy told him that the piece of paper on the wall was a lawful order banning cameras on the property (whichever kind it was, they seem to change their minds every 5 seconds), Sam called him on the fact that the document was not signed, a requirement for it to be considered a “lawful order”.

They didn’t much like him challenging their authority to they decided to capture him and put him in a cage to teach him a lesson.

And the rest is history.