The funny thing about the self defenders, [...]

sad that you apparently consider what you wrote a refutation of something.

someone please send me an alert when the dummkopfs who regularly prance at this site abandon their sacred fallacy triumvirate — straw man, false dilemma, and fallacious (i.e., not mere) ad hominem.

prediction: despite this prediction, at least one trend-o-moron here will prove he doesn't understand that last one.

they call the nonviolent resisters pacifists even when they are not, cowards, yet never seem to get around directly challenging the govt themselves, spineless, and other epitaphs, yet thankfully, despite all the belittlement and preaching, never seem to get around to living up to their great principles, except to threaten those who don't really pose any threat to them.

I tire of it.

Here is your hero, this guy lived his principles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_drega

Shut up

lol

If you don't like this site then go start your own. You can call

http://www.IAmTheUltimateHardassWhichNobodyCanDeny.com

Let me know how busy your forum is

The hallmark of someone with no coherent argument:

“You’re stupid!”

that bit of cowardly piffle may be the hallmark of this site.

1. It's certainly not an issue now, we all know that in the current context any self defense towards government would not result in anything good.

Discussion of these issues is easily misunderstood, as well as entirely hypothetical, so it's not really worth spending a lot of time on at this point.

2. I firmly believe that once enough people are ready stop initiating aggression against their neighbors, and are also willing to peacefully refuse to cooperate with government, government people won't force the issue. Most government people are not evil, only misguided.

Of course, ultimately, any attempt at an organization which is built on coercion and extortion, whether mafia, government (can you tell the difference?), or common criminal, is illegitimate.

I just hope the government people give up before then