Independence Day TEA Party in Central Square

July 4, 2009 by Sam Dodson
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I offer up a telling glimpse into the word of politics with my latest video. Ian actually seems like the sane one for a change:

Nick

Eww. I liked Ian's speech but, I did not like the other speakers' speeches. All that judeo-christian, and anti-muslim (I guess racism) shit infuriates me. I'm not religious but somehow I'm able to not shit on other people's personal religions. The lady in the glasses was a bigot and narrow minded. Yelling loudly doesn't make your speech any better. Ian was calm, and I liked that.
thinkliberty

that pro-life Christian/Jewish stuff did not go at all with the other things in the video.

Other than the last little clip there it is a really good video.
wacko

That woman at the end was wacko.

I think one of the speakers was Jennifer Horn (ran for Congress in 2008) but couldn't be 100% sure.

Ian sounded great and rational.
dan

Poor decision to include the bigots/fist-shaking-republicans along with Ian's speech, in my opinion. You should of at least added some kind of disclaimer in the video.

Great speech though, and the youtube vid was unusually high quality even without the HQ button pressed.
http://privilegeistheft.blogspot.com/ Dr. Q

Ian's speech was good, but what's up with that batshit insane lady in the red shirt who made the pro-life comment at the end?
http://ringingliberty.com Paul

I'm pro-life (well, except for very early term), but her anti-Muslim comments were uncalled for. Secondly, it has nothing to do with with the declaration of independence or the constitution, the question is only of when you believe personhood begins. Thirdly, this is a tea party, not a pro-life rally.

Great vid overall, but I agree that that lady should have been left out.
BigMike

Great video Sam.

I think the contrast you did with editing Ian's speech into the others made it worth having to stomach what those other speakers had to say.

It's too bad nobody tried to interview that last woman afterward to get her to commit to advocating the forcing of her view of freedom on others then pointing out that she really doesn't understand what freedom truly means.

Ian, I applaud the fact you suggested that people stop paying taxes to fund the policies they are against, especially when the end of the video points out that people only go along with what is being done to them out of fear.

And did they ask their master's permission to gripe about their masters? Someone should suggest that next time maybe they should pull a "Barskey". When I brought it up to some protesters at a tea party here in Michigan, it got people thinking.
A TALKING COW PIG

I want to hear the whole of Ians speech.
http://freedommanitoba.blogspot.com Scott in Winnipeg

I liked the contrast. I liked the teacher. Would like to see all of Ian's speech and here the crowd reactions from it. The Chrisitan lady was fun, because she's a bigot, telling Muslims to leave, and they they are a Christian nation, blah blah.
charley hardman

does ian ever not talk in a phony-FM-DJ voice? WTF.

voice aside, the content was damned weak — apparently from years of preaching to the choir. look to mary ruwart for starting tips. hammering "independence" does not convey to the average good german his habitual cowardly reliance upon and infatuation with initiated violence.

anytime anyone here again preaches "spreading the word of non-violence" as the uber-solution, i'll think of this vid and laugh. what needs to be spread is the word that when you fuck with peaceful people, you get bit as by a rattlesnake, for cause; tends to take a whole lot better and faster with the dull (i.e., 99% of humans).
http://ringingliberty.com Paul

Yeah, I suppose the contrast was interesting. Can't complain . Wish I coulda been there though!
http://www.dooms-day-device.com Puke

Lots of people there that can see the problem but have the wrong answer.

It's so stupid how quick people forget the BS Republicans have done.
Lpviper

Post a link to your video blog, Charley, that we may learn to do it correctly
John Delano

It looks like Ian gets it now.

The reason to go to the TEA Parties is not to listen to a bunch of mainstream Republicans. It is to get your ideas out to people who recognize that there is a problem.
Saiphes

I suppose I was thinking the other clips were there for satire and contrast. I agree with nick and others about some of the religio-centrist comments. As for pro life stuff – I think it's only government interference that prevents the market from bridging the gap between late term "Eviction" > premature care > adoption.
http://ringingliberty.com Paul

Saiphes, I do think there is a fundamental question as to when life begins. I don't want to sidetrack the conversation, but I don't think this is a question of market efficiency, but a question of at what point a person gains rights. Myself, I believe it begins at the point of the presence of brain waves and a heart beat — just as the lack of these signs is our definition of death.

In any case, unlike many other issues where the main problem is simply government involvement, and the market is the solution, I think we need to put some serious thought into a rational definition for the beginning of life.

I think ideas regarding "personal responsibility", "privacy", etc, are red herrings which distract from this fundamental question.
http://libertycastnetwork.com NickJames

I really enjoyed the vid sam. Its funny how much that women in the video beleives her government is out of control and oppressive, yet she is still willing to oppress people that are different then her..
Saiphes

Paul: See my post on your blog. Email me if you like.
http://www.obscuredtruth.com SamIam

Thanks Nick – That's exactly what I hoped people would discover and understand in watching this vid. She's the poster child of how government would like us to behave.

She's an incredible mix: a patriot, a concerned citizen, a deeply principled woman who sees the problems with government on one hand. Yet she's apparently clueless to the fact that she's the cause. It's people like her who have been hoodwinked by this organization as they've done to countless other "Americans" with varying degrees of success.

Her Bigoted statements were never really the centerpiece for me. It seems my journey has shifted my perspective in ways I hadn't realized.

I'm really thinking about doing this over with a voiceover track to explain what I see. Jury is still out. I'm sitting on lots of footage that also needs to be seen.
charley hardman

Post a link to your video blog, Charley, that we may learn to do it correctly

you need to learn how to not speak in a phony FM DJ voice? re content, i already posted a link. however, the efficacy of speaking in any manner of liberty to such crowds isn't sure.

yet this is not why you left your standard snot-nosed fallacy-reeking reply.
http://freetalklive.com/ Ian

Hey Hardman- you debate the efficacy; we'll be busy finding what works.
charley hardman

you'll never find what works, ian. you'll stay busy though — preening, pimping, and DJ'ing.
http://freetalklive.com/ Ian

Pessimistic much?
http://ringingliberty.com Paul

Can we please stop feeding the trolls?
KDus

The fact that you recognize the "DJ voice" means it works.

Sam, I agree that the video needs some sort of narration or titling. I got the contrast in the content, but I didn't know why you did it.
charley hardman

The fact that you recognize the “DJ voice” means it works.

assumes fact not in evidence, for the purpose of non sequitur. yikes.
&rnld

Guilt by association with racists, zealots and bigots. Is this the image the Free State movement wants? It certainly marginalizes what is being done in Keene.
Another Mom

I was there and heard all the speakers. The video is a fair representation of the ones worth noting. You didn't miss much with the editing or the ones who didn't make the cut.

And while I'm one of those evil "religio-centrists" mentioned above, who is NOT a Republican, I had issues with the lady in red as well. It's folks like her who give folks like me a bad name.

A little truth is a dangerous weapon.
AnAmazedReader

"does ian ever not talk in a phony-FM-DJ voice? WTF."

Charley, the simple answer is: No. Ian is an entertainer-businessman of the small-calibre sort. The faux-content aspect – the endless cliches, buzz-phrases, tortured analogies, eye-rolling radio voice, etc. – is just the scaffolding for a product a small group of people are willing to buy and support. When you have to make a living, you do what you can with what you have.

Ann
JJ

Good video Sam. LOL @ Ian's voice comments.
Lpviper

'That guy sure does make a lot of sense, but why does he make a voice like that?'

Sheesh. Ian has made that his voice from what I can tell. People can sound however they damn well please. Additionally, after one practices something like that for so long, it just becomes the way you sound. I listened to the first Free Talk Live once and Ian was, from a voice standpoint, virtually unrecognizable. Think of other radio folk like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. Those guys always have that 'radio host dj voice' thing going on as well.

If you have a critique, state it openly. Dismissing the content of a man's speech based on his delivery method reminds me a lot of what was done to Ron Paul last year on the campaign trail.

Cowardly, and intellectually evasive, if not downright dishonest.

Keep up the good work, Ian

Andy in Michigan

BTW my brother-in-law won't listen to Ian because he doesn't like the voice, and sometimes it prickles me too when it gets way up high. The TEA party speech was a good one as far as that goes. So if I were to be a critic, I would only say watch the high pitched stuff, it puts the hair up on some people's necks.
charley hardman

Sheesh. Ian has made that his voice from what I can tell.

if he had not, we would not be complaining about it. you are merely restating that ian's voice is affected. nice job! persuasive!

People can sound however they damn well please.

a worthy point only if someone had asserted they cannot. argument by blather.

Additionally, after one practices something like that for so long, it just becomes the way you sound.

"Additionally"? LOL

Think of other radio folk like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. Those guys always have that ‘radio host dj voice’ thing going on as well.

sucks just as hard. again, well "argued".

If you have a critique, state it openly. Dismissing the content of a man’s speech based on his delivery method [...]

that "quote" states it openly, just after, "That guy sure does make a lot of sense". in other words, you're full of shit on both counts.

Cowardly, and intellectually evasive, if not downright dishonest.

heal yourself.

your objection is based on a false premise — that ian's voice may not be criticized negatively. you presume, falsely of course, that for one to speak of ian's voice separate from his content necessarily merges it into a fallacious criticism of the content. again, you're full of crap. try silence, fanboy.
Lpviper

I concede many of the points you make above, but also must assert that silence will not help me learn, else how would your criticism of my statements ever have existed?

I relish the opportunity to clarify my ideas and to steer away from contradictions.

Tell me, why is it that your approach is so unfriendly? Is there a method to what you are doing? I would think that many who are less patient than I am would not have even read all of what you posted above, knowing as I do that it would be such a high handed, snotty sort of delivery. It is insulting. Do you believe that insults are necessary to properly convey your ideas? Have you considered the idea that there may be a better way to persuade people?

To go back to the topic of the moment, I think that criticism of Ian's speech patterns could steer people away from listening to the content of his speech, and toward a shallow criticism of the sound of it. That was more or less the point I was driving at. I apologize for the contradictions, I'll watch that.

And you, Charlie? Some years from now, when my ideals and arguments are as well developed and honed as yours are and I am able to express myself logically without contradiction, I will still be a patient man with ears open to all, even you, and you will probably still be an asshole.

And who will be the better conduit for liberty then?
charley hardman

Some years from now, when my ideals and arguments are as well developed and honed as yours [...]

you're getting a brain transplant?
Lpviper

Substance, Charlie, substance…

Focus on the debate, not the participant.

And then grow a pair and answer my questions
charley hardman

Focus on the debate, not the participant.

And then grow a pair and answer my questions

your questions about a participant. right.

the debate, dumbass from hell, is about this post. ian's voice is part of the post. i made a one-line comment about it, and the "focus" is morons like you talking about that comment. again, heal yourself.

pay me $50 and i'll answer every question you asked of me above.

Charley Hardman

PO Box 573

White Plains MD 20695
Lpviper

'pay me $50 and i’ll answer every question you asked of me above.'

Yeah? Lick me and I might giggle.

You gonna sell me some magick sovereignty papers too?

Insults are free, information will cost you. Nice path to liberty there, dude.
Lpviper

FYI, the debate of the moment was, 'Why are you such an asshole, Charlie?' Not, 'Why is Ian's voice annoying or not.' For someone as careful as you are with language, I'd have thought you could pick that out.

The idea that I would give you money to find out why you're such a dick is fascinating simply because it is so ludicrous.

Has anyone ever paid to know?