Comments on: FIJA Challenge to Liberty Activists Outside the Keene Area http://freekeene.com/2009/08/13/fija-challenge-to-liberty-activists-outside-the-keene-area/ Peaceful Evolution Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:26:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: PapaJim http://freekeene.com/2009/08/13/fija-challenge-to-liberty-activists-outside-the-keene-area/comment-page-1/#comment-81903 PapaJim Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:27:42 +0000 http://freekeene.com/?p=3076#comment-81903 I believe AnAmazedReader when he says he's not a cop. He's probably just another unenlightened Republican. It's not necessary to measure your success rate. Do it because you're defending your freedom. When people say, "Freedom Isn't Free," they are usually trying to justify our endless foreign wars, but for the ordinary citizen, it ought to mean participating in peaceful activities such as FIJA leafleting that contribute to maintaining our heritage of Liberty. Liberty isn't guaranteed to us; each generation has to earn it. The enemies of Liberty aren't always "over there" as Neocons would have us believe. Bravo to you guys! I believe AnAmazedReader when he says he’s not a cop. He’s probably just another unenlightened Republican.

It’s not necessary to measure your success rate. Do it because you’re defending your freedom. When people say, “Freedom Isn’t Free,” they are usually trying to justify our endless foreign wars, but for the ordinary citizen, it ought to mean participating in peaceful activities such as FIJA leafleting that contribute to maintaining our heritage of Liberty. Liberty isn’t guaranteed to us; each generation has to earn it. The enemies of Liberty aren’t always “over there” as Neocons would have us believe. Bravo to you guys!

]]> By: Ian http://freekeene.com/2009/08/13/fija-challenge-to-liberty-activists-outside-the-keene-area/comment-page-1/#comment-81898 Ian Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:27:07 +0000 http://freekeene.com/?p=3076#comment-81898 Ofer, That's the one we use. I think I explain the process fully in the video. You can also read this article for details: http://freekeene.com/2009/07/17/celebrating-one-year-of-continuous-successful-fija-outreach/ Ofer,

That’s the one we use. I think I explain the process fully in the video. You can also read this article for details:

http://freekeene.com/2009/07/17/celebrating-one-year-of-continuous-successful-fija-outreach/

]]> By: George Donnelly http://freekeene.com/2009/08/13/fija-challenge-to-liberty-activists-outside-the-keene-area/comment-page-1/#comment-81894 George Donnelly Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:35:34 +0000 http://freekeene.com/?p=3076#comment-81894 Who in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania will join me in taking up the challenge? Who in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania will join me in taking up the challenge?

]]> By: Ofer Nave http://freekeene.com/2009/08/13/fija-challenge-to-liberty-activists-outside-the-keene-area/comment-page-1/#comment-81893 Ofer Nave Mon, 17 Aug 2009 06:12:46 +0000 http://freekeene.com/?p=3076#comment-81893 Ian- I've considering doing FIJA before, though I've never really taken a close look at it - until just a few minutes ago. I had assumed there was a standard one-page brochure that you download, print out, and then basically hang out in front of the court and hand out copies to jurors. I've just poked around the FIJA site, and there's actually quite a lot of media items for various purposes, rather than a clear "this is the main one, download it" sign on the front page. I looked through all of them, and my best guest is that the primary one is the one-page brochure titled "True or False". Is that correct? And am I right about it really being as simple as printing copies and handing them out in front of the court, or is there more to it I should know about? Ian-

I’ve considering doing FIJA before, though I’ve never really taken a close look at it – until just a few minutes ago. I had assumed there was a standard one-page brochure that you download, print out, and then basically hang out in front of the court and hand out copies to jurors.

I’ve just poked around the FIJA site, and there’s actually quite a lot of media items for various purposes, rather than a clear “this is the main one, download it” sign on the front page. I looked through all of them, and my best guest is that the primary one is the one-page brochure titled “True or False”. Is that correct? And am I right about it really being as simple as printing copies and handing them out in front of the court, or is there more to it I should know about?

]]> By: Peter Warren http://freekeene.com/2009/08/13/fija-challenge-to-liberty-activists-outside-the-keene-area/comment-page-1/#comment-81879 Peter Warren Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:09:00 +0000 http://freekeene.com/?p=3076#comment-81879 Dear Anamazedreader: I take issue with your statement: "Actually, I am a local citizen with no connection to law enforcement with a strong aversion to cant, empty rhetoric, and grandstanding, particularly when they are employed to harass people who have been elected/or legally selected to do jobs deemed necessary by a majority of voting local citizens." Allow me to point out the influence that politicians have over your mind. I will assume that you know the difference between right and wrong and that you avoid doing the wrong thing most of the time. Using the ballot box to get the "necessary" jobs done is always wrong. The "vote" as a result of the ballot box merely determines a political majority which means which side is the mightiest. The majority is able to impose its will on the minority, which is tyranny. It is never right. You believe in "democracy". Democracy results in the majority imposing its will on the minority. It doesn't determine what is right. You are not a "citizen". A citizen has an obligation of allegiance to a government in exchange for protection. Did you ever agree to this relationship? Did you ever sign a contract that stated this relationship? Did your parents agree to this for you? "Constitutions" (U.S., NH, etc.) are not binding on you or anybody else. You never agreed to it. Does someone long since dead "voting" for a "constitution" obligate you in any way? You might ask "Well how will we have protection from other "countries" or how will the roads get built? Have you examined the non-political ways these services have been provided for in the past? Please look into undoing the effect politicians have had on your life. Dear Anamazedreader: I take issue with your statement: “Actually, I am a local citizen with no connection to law enforcement with a strong aversion to cant, empty rhetoric, and grandstanding, particularly when they are employed to harass people who have been elected/or legally selected to do jobs deemed necessary by a majority of voting local citizens.” Allow me to point out the influence that politicians have over your mind. I will assume that you know the difference between right and wrong and that you avoid doing the wrong thing most of the time. Using the ballot box to get the “necessary” jobs done is always wrong. The “vote” as a result of the ballot box merely determines a political majority which means which side is the mightiest. The majority is able to impose its will on the minority, which is tyranny. It is never right. You believe in “democracy”. Democracy results in the majority imposing its will on the minority. It doesn’t determine what is right. You are not a “citizen”. A citizen has an obligation of allegiance to a government in exchange for protection. Did you ever agree to this relationship? Did you ever sign a contract that stated this relationship? Did your parents agree to this for you? “Constitutions” (U.S., NH, etc.) are not binding on you or anybody else. You never agreed to it. Does someone long since dead “voting” for a “constitution” obligate you in any way? You might ask “Well how will we have protection from other “countries” or how will the roads get built? Have you examined the non-political ways these services have been provided for in the past? Please look into undoing the effect politicians have had on your life.

]]> By: Steve http://freekeene.com/2009/08/13/fija-challenge-to-liberty-activists-outside-the-keene-area/comment-page-1/#comment-81859 Steve Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:40:08 +0000 http://freekeene.com/?p=3076#comment-81859 Let's assume that there have indeed been zero cases of Jury Nullification being employed in Keene: 1. What percentage of the trials have been over victimless crimes (i.e. appropriate for JN)? My guess is that in Keene they are a small minority. 2. Can you reasonably expect someone to internalize any new concept (e.g. an advertisement or a public service message like Jury Nullification) immediately after the first contact? Obviously not. Messages have to be repeated, in different formats. 3. Maybe the current flyer is weak. By getting out there and experimenting, these activists can improve their approach. Why would anyone expect reform to be immediately successful? "appallingly simple-minded, childish, two-dimensional notions"... a facile charge. Indeed, we are all sadly limited in our analyses. Let's try to be the sum of our modest individual insights. At the very least these activists are to be commended for contributing their time and energy to make the world slightly more just. They are not being paid. Certainly there are worse people out there, more deserving of your abuse. Let’s assume that there have indeed been zero cases of Jury Nullification being employed in Keene:

1. What percentage of the trials have been over victimless crimes (i.e. appropriate for JN)? My guess is that in Keene they are a small minority.

2. Can you reasonably expect someone to internalize any new concept (e.g. an advertisement or a public service message like Jury Nullification) immediately after the first contact? Obviously not. Messages have to be repeated, in different formats.

3. Maybe the current flyer is weak. By getting out there and experimenting, these activists can improve their approach. Why would anyone expect reform to be immediately successful?

“appallingly simple-minded, childish, two-dimensional notions”… a facile charge. Indeed, we are all sadly limited in our analyses. Let’s try to be the sum of our modest individual insights. At the very least these activists are to be commended for contributing their time and energy to make the world slightly more just. They are not being paid. Certainly there are worse people out there, more deserving of your abuse.

]]> By: Ian http://freekeene.com/2009/08/13/fija-challenge-to-liberty-activists-outside-the-keene-area/comment-page-1/#comment-81850 Ian Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:46:05 +0000 http://freekeene.com/?p=3076#comment-81850 Good point - we don't know for sure how many read them, but the odds are good: 1. When you ask someone if they want info and they choose to take it, they are more likely to read it than if you are just trying to shove info into hands. 2. Jury selection involves lots of waiting. People will find the brochures handy to pass the time with. 3. We have been thanked by people later on for giving them the info. Good point – we don’t know for sure how many read them, but the odds are good:

1. When you ask someone if they want info and they choose to take it, they are more likely to read it than if you are just trying to shove info into hands.

2. Jury selection involves lots of waiting. People will find the brochures handy to pass the time with.

3. We have been thanked by people later on for giving them the info.

]]> By: Don Duncan http://freekeene.com/2009/08/13/fija-challenge-to-liberty-activists-outside-the-keene-area/comment-page-1/#comment-81849 Don Duncan Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:36:46 +0000 http://freekeene.com/?p=3076#comment-81849 How do you know how many read the pamphlets? If I voted to acquit because the law was immoral I doubt I would admit it for fear the judge would throw out the verdict and punish me. How do you know how many read the pamphlets? If I voted to acquit because the law was immoral I doubt I would admit it for fear the judge would throw out the verdict and punish me.

]]> By: Vince http://freekeene.com/2009/08/13/fija-challenge-to-liberty-activists-outside-the-keene-area/comment-page-1/#comment-81847 Vince Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:23:19 +0000 http://freekeene.com/?p=3076#comment-81847 "If what you assert was true, then there wouldn’t be a single case of jury nullification of which we’d be aware." How would you find out that the acquittal was by jury nullification rather than simply by the facts of the case? “If what you assert was true, then there wouldn’t be a single case of jury nullification of which we’d be aware.”

How would you find out that the acquittal was by jury nullification rather than simply by the facts of the case?

]]> By: Ian http://freekeene.com/2009/08/13/fija-challenge-to-liberty-activists-outside-the-keene-area/comment-page-1/#comment-81815 Ian Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:26:37 +0000 http://freekeene.com/?p=3076#comment-81815 Ideas take time to develop into action. Besides, how would you have heard about it? The newspaper doesn't follow all the court cases. Ideas take time to develop into action. Besides, how would you have heard about it? The newspaper doesn’t follow all the court cases.

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