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EMS’ Thin Red Line?

Filed under: Corruption, Update — Ian at 4:45 pm on Thursday, October 15, 2009

bluelinePerhaps you’ve heard of the “thin blue line”? Besides being a gang symbol that the police use to identify one another in public when they are off duty or in different areas, it’s also describes the “brotherhood” of being a cop. Cops protect other cops. When one of them is under attack for doing something awful, you can watch as the thin blue line closes up to protect the one that is in danger. It happens again and again across America and the world. Only the cops who are caught red-handed doing the most egregious things are the ones unable to be effectively protected by their system. 99% of them get away with their crimes with their department spokespeople making excuses and brushing their abuses under the rug. It doesn’t matter in many cases that there are witnesses or even video of the officer’s alleged transgressions.

Looks like there may be a thin red line here in Keene. I went today to talk to John MacLean, the city manager. Ron LeslieI wanted to ask him what the city’s policy was about employees who steal. He said he couldn’t do anything unless I complained to the police. As I’d mentioned in an earlier post, I’d rather forgive Ron Leslie, the thief in this case, and the captain of the EMS B squad. I was just curious what the city people would do about a naughty employee, and I wasn’t expecting much.

Turns out the situation is worse than I thought. MacLean suggested that the fire chief’s report said the EMS agents all reported that I was getting in their way and interfering with their ability to administer care to the patient, Kurt Hoffman. The truth? Not only did Kurt want us to record the scene, neither Sam nor I, (the two media members with cameras) in any way impeded EMS workers’ ability to do their jobs. Of course, the video footage proves this, but that won’t mean the EMS crew will be fired for lying or likely disciplined in any way. They are protected by a system that has virtually no accountability. Indeed, MacLean even justified the theft of the camera saying it was appropriate if I was in the EMS agent’s way. Even if I were in his way, stealing is not an appropriate response. There were several armed agents nearby who could have been asked to intervene. Why didn’t that happen? Obviously because I wasn’t in anyone’s way or interfering. If I was, they’d likely have removed me and possibly arrested me over it. Clearly there is nothing to substantiate their claims – but that doesn’t matter. They do what they want, and we’ll pay for it, or else.

In a normal business, when you talk to the manager as a customer with an issue, you will either have the issue addressed to your satisfaction, or not. If not, you can refuse to do business with that store. With city government people, it doesn’t matter whether they slam their “customers” into walls, knock them over a chair onto their head while handcuffed, or attack people just for toting video devices – you CAN’T stop funding them, or they will steal your home.

MacLean says I can just go file a complaint with the police and they may decide to take action if there is evidence of wrongdoing. Will I be compensated by the city for all of my time spent going through their “processes”? Of course not. Were I to follow his advice, I’d likely spend who knows how much time jumping through their hoops so down the line they can tell me they couldn’t find evidence of wrongdoing. EMS would likely claim I was interfering when the cameras weren’t looking. It won’t matter what the videos show or the other non-city-employee witnesses say. The thin red line is protecting its own.

Don’t like it? MacLean says to use their system they have set up to change how they behave. Just spend countless hours and dollars attempting to use the system to destroy the system. You can see how difficult it is just to get them to have a chat with their employees about stealing cameras from people – now imagine how much moreso it would be to actually remove their power over others.

66 Comments »

Comment by Curt Springer

October 15, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

Ian, the issue is so obviously the fact that the EMS guys misunderstand HIPAA. But for ideological reasons you don’t want to address that.

Comment by adam.m.mueller

October 15, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

Ian great post. I’m sharing it everywhere I can.

@Curt I don’t think Ian’s position is based off of HIPAA being misunderstood. He is saying that they (PD & EMS) protect their own. There is no responsibility or accountability when it comes to government employees.

Think about how the system works when you try to file a complaint on a public official. Lets say its an officer. If you go to the DA they tell you that you need a report. If you choose to do that, the officers normally ask you more questions about you then the actual offense. Even if they do take a report you are more likely going to hear, “sorry no crime was committed here.”

I suggest watching this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2uLMT_88kM

Comment by Kamil

October 15, 2009 @ 8:18 pm

Of course complaining to the bureaucrats will not work. But as Sam pointed out in the past, filing criminal charges should get their attention. I know Ian does not want to go this route.

Comment by Lpviper

October 15, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

I think criminal charges are the perfect thing to give to criminals.

Ian, why will you not give the criminals what they need?

Comment by Ian

October 15, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

Because I prefer forgiveness over justice.

Besides, what makes you think the criminals will string up one of their own? This post is all about how they are all covering for this guy.

Comment by Lpviper

October 15, 2009 @ 9:37 pm

Well I know for a fact they won’t cover up for him if nobody ever files charges.

Accountability is the smoke that chases out the scoundrels. Whatever happened to the strategy Sam was developing of taking charges directly to the grand juries? Does that not work in NH?

I’m not busting your balls here really, I just think that people who are breaking natural laws like stealing and assault and such should be held accountable. That is real justice.

Don’t you think that forgiving them all their transgressions will only encourage them to continue their abuses?

Comment by Ian

October 15, 2009 @ 9:50 pm

Lots of people have sued the state. Has that stopped their abuses?

Maybe you can get justice from their system – I hope you can pave the way.

Comment by Lpviper

October 15, 2009 @ 9:53 pm

They’re not abusing me over here, Ian. They’re abusing you there. I didn’t say a thing about suing the state, I said why are you not filing criminal charges with grand juries?

You answered, but not the questions I asked.

Why are you not filing criminal charges with the grand juries?

Comment by END GAME

October 15, 2009 @ 9:57 pm

Did you ever think that the EMS personnel were just trying to help your friend. Did they deprive him of appropriate care, were they rude to him in anyway, did they not treat him as any other person? I watched the video, and any person who’s mission is to care would be perplexed by the screaming and mob mentality that was displayed there.

Was the taking of your phone wrong….maybe. You did have it returned. If the care of your friend was so important, why would you add aditional tension to an already heated situation.

I have always thought that Fire/Ems in Keene have treated people without bias, regardless of race, financial, or political status.

Comment by theKINGofKEENE

October 15, 2009 @ 9:58 pm

Curt, you’re such a fucking *TOOL*! C’mon! *WATCH THE VIDEO*…*ALL THE RELEVANT ONES*!…there’s a female sheriff’s deputy – you can tell by the *BROWN SHIRT*(ahem….), who first chimes in w/the HIPPA bullshit in the “court”…Then, the EMT guy also claims “HIPPA”…No, Curt, the EMT’s *DON’T* “misunderstand” HIPPA – they don’t understand it at all!!!…They’re just tossing out the latest Federal Legislation to make it sound like they’ve got legitimate grounds to do what they do…Finally, Curt, *NONE* of Ian’s reasons are “ideological”, as you claim…*ALL* of Ian’s reasons’ are *IDEO-ILLOGICAL*…the Dudes’ a nutjob, yeah, but he’s a great admin, & webhoster, so WTF???…and yes, Ian, only pussies prefer forgiveness over justice…I will forgive, *AFTER* I get justice…fooking *CHRISTIAN*!…(Besides, he had time to steal a camera – he couldn’t have been *TOO BUSY* w/Kurt!…

Comment by Ian

October 15, 2009 @ 10:00 pm

I don’t know anything about grand juries or charges or anything, and don’t feel like learning. As I said, perhaps you can pave the way and show us all how effective your strategy will be.

I cannot speak for Sam.

Comment by Lpviper

October 15, 2009 @ 10:01 pm

I think you are right, End Game. But, I also think that the camerascene was an attempt by the EMT to cover for an abusive cop, which was what necessitated a visit by EMS in the first place. You stated what you did well, and I think the EMT was interested in treating Kurt’s injuries, but also was interested in not having his patient taped, clearly in conflict with the interests of the patient himself.

How do you defend his conduct in that light?

Comment by Ian

October 15, 2009 @ 10:01 pm

End Game,

I was not interfering with the EMS. Me standing there recording the scene is not “adding tension”. If they can’t handle members of the media being present while they do their job, they are unprofessional.

Comment by Lpviper

October 15, 2009 @ 10:06 pm

Yes, Ian, that’s what you always say. ‘Come up here and do it better if you’re so smart.’ I get it. But I can’t come up there right now, and I have no backup here.

Silly me, I thought the hub of anti-state activism would come up with a better plan of action than forgiveness. How foolish of me.

Will you put me on your radio show when I attempt to file charges against the bureaucrats here? I lay low right now because I know I cannot bend over for them any longer. And for that I have you to thank. But they will give it to me anyway, Ian, believe you me. I will fight without backup, because they are evil and I will not let it lie if they come after me.

My thought is, forgive the criminal AFTER restitution has been made, even if restitution is just an apology.

Comment by Ian

October 15, 2009 @ 10:07 pm

Here’s what their investigation found by the way, thanks to Coconut on the forum:

http://i35.tinypic.com/2r5f884.jpg

The theft allegations were deemed “UNFOUNDED”.

So, lpviper, please tell me how “justice” would be served by the gang to one of their own gang members?

Comment by Tumbleweed

October 15, 2009 @ 10:12 pm

End Game, there are all types of care in scenarios like that one. The EMT had a duty to provide medical assistance to the patient, Eli had a duty of care to not do what he did previous to all that, Kurt’s friends had a duty to hold all involved accountable (by way of recording the incident)and had Kurt’s friends in any way prevented or impeded the treatment of Kurt by the EMT, the nearby police officers had a duty of care to stop that from further happening.

As it stands, they didn’t interfere and they did carry out their duty of care for Kurt and for accountability in civil rights violations by public servants.

The EMT should apologize, truthfully apologize.

The issue is censorship. It happened at his trial, it happened outside, by two distinct departments of Keene.

They should be ashamed of themselves.

(sorry, forgot to comment on the biggest violations of all, Kurt’s injuries. They should let him go after that and make restitution as well as an apology in the local rag)

Comment by Lpviper

October 15, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

The idea is you don’t let them serve it to themselves, you go directly to the grand jury and file a criminal complaint. Yourself. Sam was talking like mad about this a few months ago, and now I hear nothing about it anywhere since he moved up.

You guys even talked back and forth about it on the show before he moved up, he was gonna file this and file that, but instead he moved. Why did this strategy not move with him?

SamIAm, would you care to comment?

In what way would you say that this unconditional forgiveness you’ve been tossing about has been most effective?

Comment by Curt Springer

October 15, 2009 @ 10:17 pm

Adam,
I don’t doubt at all the idea of the “thin red line.” I think that in any customer service organization, public or private, there can be a “them vs. us” mentality.

But the issue at hand is the way an EMT accused Ian of being in violation of law and then disrupted his cell phone video. I don’t think it will be fruitful to try to resolve this as a violation of law. I think it would be more effective to press the city to educate the staff as to their roles and responsibilities in this situation.

End Game,
I don’t think Ian added tension to the situation. He simply recorded what was going on. That was his right under the law. If the EMT was freaked by it, that was his problem, not Ian’s.

Comment by END GAME

October 15, 2009 @ 10:23 pm

Ian,

To question his professionalism is weak. There is no doubt in my mind he thought he was doing what was right. I would be almost certain that it wouldnt happen again.

I highly doubt that he was covering for the cop. Your vast govermental conspiracy theroy is foolish. He closed you camera, took it and handed it to a cop. He did not smash it or pocket it. Had he punched you in the face, he would have been fired.

To be surrounded by shouting shitheads, would test the patients of anyone. Remember when the Indiana pacers charged the stands, or when Terry O’Rielly beat the man with a shoe. Or Russel Crow punched a camera man. All professionals who had enough.

Comment by END GAME

October 15, 2009 @ 10:28 pm

On top of it these guys deal with shitty situations on a daily basis, for what I assume is modest pay. I would hope that respect would be given for their service. I think that it is admirable that you chose to forgive, then prosecute.

Comment by Ian

October 15, 2009 @ 10:31 pm

The EMT wasn’t covering for anyone. He just seems like another hothead on a power trip.

Comment by Lpviper

October 15, 2009 @ 10:32 pm

That was a great comment, End Game. Thank you for posting it. I have a bit better of an understanding of why Ian behaved the way he did.

BUT, sanctions were still pursued, and denied by the state, who will forever protect its own. The EMT acted inappropriately toward a member of the press who did not hinder his ability to do his job and I think he should apologize for that.

Comment by Ian

October 15, 2009 @ 10:35 pm

Viper, anyone can get on my show. Just call in and tell us what you’re up to.

Sorry you can’t get up here.

Forgiveness is effective for me, because it sets me free from anger and the desire to retaliate. It breaks the cycle of violence.

Comment by Ian

October 15, 2009 @ 10:36 pm

It’d be very grown up of him to apologize, but that would admit wrongdoing and contradict the well orchestrated lies they are all telling to cover for him.

Working for the state means never having to say you’re sorry.

He’ll get his next paycheck whether he does or not.

Comment by Lpviper

October 15, 2009 @ 10:39 pm

‘Forgiveness is effective for me, because it sets me free from anger and the desire to retaliate.’

Do you not think it also enables the criminal, who knows he will get forgiveness when he abuses you?

Comment by Ian

October 15, 2009 @ 10:49 pm

Not really. They are already untouchable and they know it.

Comment by Ian

October 15, 2009 @ 10:50 pm

Maybe you can prove otherwise, but I doubt it.

Comment by Lpviper

October 15, 2009 @ 10:52 pm

When the opportunity arises, I will certainly do my best. I’ll not begrudge you your peace of mind, however you deign to obtain it, but I will not forgive anyone who has not paid restitution or at least apologized for wrongdoing.

Just my $0.02

Thanks for the discussion

BTW please ask Sam whatever happened to the grand jury idea he had back in December. You see him more than I do. Or he could comment here. I’m trying to wrap my head around how such a great sounding idea just got totally shitcanned.

Thanks

Comment by Tumbleweed

October 15, 2009 @ 10:59 pm

Ian,

Why not write a letter to them explaining the situation and desire to move on but have your grievances addressed.

Offer them the option to make an honest apology for the violation, in the local paper, and sign off on it/move on.

and

If they refuse to enter into dialogue and make amends, then take it further.

The EMT had no legal right to censor you/take your camera away.

It’s his choice whether to do the right thing now, or resist. Give him the choice, perhaps?

Comment by END GAME

October 15, 2009 @ 11:01 pm

Or let it go……

Comment by Ian

October 15, 2009 @ 11:02 pm

Tumble,

The point of this post is to show that there’s nowhere I can take it.

The police have said it’s UNFOUNDED and the EMS guys have their story and they are sticking to it.

They don’t give a fuck about my “grievance”, because they don’t have to.

He did have the legal right, because he’s on THEIR side. They decide what is legal, not you or I.

Comment by Paul

October 15, 2009 @ 11:03 pm

Order of operations for cops/bureaucrats when reacting with anger/force to an insufficiently subservient and obsequious subject.

1. Do whatever the hell you want, based on your emotions at the time.
2. If abuse is not caught on camera and there are no witnesses, go to step 7.
3. If caught on camera, or there are unimpeachable witnesses, blame the victim for lack of obsequious subservience, and anything else you can dig up. Allow time for “end game” and other bootlickers to publicly defend whatever abuse has occurred, no matter how blatantly violent or uncalled for. If public seems pacified, go to step 7.
4. Conduct “internal investigation”. Search through reams of laws to find words that can be twisted into a B.S. excuse. This will always exist, because of the inscrutability and length of the criminal code and internal policies. Conclude that actions were “by the book”. When possible, tell the people that the details of the “internal investigation” will not be made public. If public seems pacified, go to step 7.
5. Give the cop or bureaucrat paid leave in the Bahamas, while “further investigation” is conducted, while waiting for it all to blow over. If it blows over, go to step 7.
6. Give the cop or bureaucrat a cushy desk job in another capacity for a while. Go to step 7.
7. Nothing happens/changes.

Order of operations for cops/bureaucrats when subject reacts with anger/force to police abuse, or injustice.

1. Tazer/beat/cuff subject.
2. Throw subject in jail for a long time.

Comment by Lpviper

October 15, 2009 @ 11:09 pm

See, this is what is nagging at me is this ‘the police said it’s unfounded’ stuff.

Why do you give a tinker’s damn what the police think?

Damn I wish I was there, I’d throw the book at every one of these power freaks.

The law will not revert to its natural state until we refuse to continue to allow its perversion.

It would seem to me that a big part of this is not letting ‘officials’ break the law in their ‘official’ capacities without filing criminal complaints against them.

And if the grand juries will not acknowledge or hear the complaints, then get that on video too and run them out.

What am I missing here?

Comment by Tumbleweed

October 15, 2009 @ 11:12 pm

Why let it go?

Had Ian grabbed the handcuff keys off the belt of one of the officers and unshackled/relieved Kurt’s uncomfortableness, they wouldn’t have let that go, and they wouldn’t be offering him a chance to apologize for breaking a law no matter what his intentions were.

He’d serve time in jail and/or be fined… though probably jail or even prison.

Giving them the chance to come to terms with what happened and vow to not repeat it is the intention.

Ian may be big enough to forgive this one man, but it shouldn’t ever happen again.

Anything which helps avoid this situation from happening again, or costing tax payers money should be explored.

Right is right, wrong is wrong. Maybe someone else has a better idea for addressing this issue and fostering understanding between public servants and citizens in the future in similar scenarios?

Comment by Tumbleweed

October 15, 2009 @ 11:20 pm

Ian, if you have various videos all happening around the scene, one would be able to more or less construct a clear 3 dimensional picture of what was done, said, not done, and not said… or not?

From what I saw, there was no obstruction on your part and he falsely represented the law, whether unintentionally or intentionally.

Or you could let it go and take the money you would have needed to pursue this matter and invest it in a better range of button and pen cameras with wireless transmitters. Just upload these things in high def, in their entirety, and spread the shame. Dunno… hard call. It’s a personal one.

Comment by Curt Springer

October 15, 2009 @ 11:26 pm

Tumbleweed wrote:

Anything which helps avoid this situation from happening again, or costing tax payers money should be explored.

Right is right, wrong is wrong. Maybe someone else has a better idea for addressing this issue and fostering understanding between public servants and citizens in the future in similar scenarios?

As I have already mentioned, how about insisting that the city educate its EMT staff on the actual provisions of HIPAA, and the right of members of the public to record events in public places.

Comment by Tumbleweed

October 15, 2009 @ 11:33 pm

Do you think they would be kosher with doing so though, Curt?

I suppose it’s an opportunity for them to address the issue without clearly stating fault, in direct terms.

Something has to happen in regards to all this, or it could continue to happen.

Comment by Jessica

October 15, 2009 @ 11:38 pm

Finally John Maclean did something pro fire/ems. I like to hear that. I also liked hearing how others agree that people were intefearing with their jobs. Id love to see them in tense situations. They would break.

Comment by Paul

October 16, 2009 @ 12:39 am

Jessica,

Videotaping is not interfering by any stretch. You’re really desperate to excuse even the most blatant abuses by these people, aren’t you? If the shoe was on the other foot, and a regular person got fed up and grabbed something of the cop’s, and ran off with it, they’d be tazed, cuffed, and now sitting in jail, and neither you or John would be making B.S. excuses for them.

Comment by Fuck you guys

October 16, 2009 @ 9:41 am

Fuck all you stupid fucks

Comment by theKINGofKEENE

October 16, 2009 @ 10:01 am

Jessica, overall, I think that City Mangler John Mac Clean should rename himself “MacDirty”…as good as Keene is, it would be much better without him. He’s a lapdog / puppet for the local power structure. He wants to see Keene “under the gun” of the EPA, because he can’t get his head out of his ass, & find a better way to address the issue of excess phosphorus in Keene’s waste water treatment plant discharge. If we have a City Mangler, why do we need a Council, and vice versa…It’s just more layers of bureaucrap…If you’re the same Jessica that posted here recently, after doing your anti-420/anti-drug rally, then I owe you an apology for *FLAMING* you so *CRISPLY*. I was glad to see a little counter-protest to the 420 folks. We’re a sometimes rough talking, *TAKE NO PRISONERS* kinda’ forum…But hey, we good people, too…so, sorry if I offended…If Keene’s Police Dept. was ***1/2***as good as it’s Fire Dept, KPD would be a **hundred**times** more better than it is now. *RESIGN, ART WALKER, & TAKE YOUR PIECE OF SHIT, ELI RIVERA, WITH YOU, TOO!!!…HOO AH!

Comment by Sam A. Robrin

October 16, 2009 @ 10:11 am

Comment by Lpviper
October 15, 2009 @ 11:09 pm

. . . And if the grand juries will not acknowledge or hear the complaints, then get that on video too and run them out.

What am I missing here?

What you’re missing is that they won’t be run out, no matter what steps you take.

Comment by Lpviper

October 16, 2009 @ 11:24 am

Reminds me of the guy who said, “I’ll never get a girlfriend.”

You know what?

He never did

Comment by Sam A. Robrin

October 16, 2009 @ 11:29 am

Comment by Lpviper
October 16, 2009 @ 11:24 am

Reminds me of the guy who said, “I’ll never get a girlfriend.”
You know what?
He never did

The difference being: If he’d tried as hard to get a girlfriend as most of us have tried to change things by working within the system . . . he’d have gotten a hundred girlfriends.

Comment by END GAME

October 16, 2009 @ 3:15 pm

Paul,

Creating a tense situation by screaming and yelling makes anything worse. The videotaping didnt alone make the situation worse. Especially when Sam was told (maybe mistakenly) to shut the camera of. SamIamAMoron came back with a typical asshole answer. Just shut up and film, if it is your right.

It is unfortunate that he(EMT) didnt smash sam’s camera. I admire the EMT’s as well as the Polices’ restraint overall. Had I been there you would have had some real good footage. Probably of me allowing Sam to ingest his HD camera, and then me being shot by a topless open carrying vixen.

Comment by Lpviper

October 16, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

‘The difference being: If he’d tried as hard to get a girlfriend as most of us have tried to change things by working within the system . . . he’d have gotten a hundred girlfriends.’

No, it’s more akin to someone who tries to convince the girl he’s awesome by talking to her friends like he’s some kind of sensitive macho freak hybrid, and pairs of eyes everywhere roll upward.

But then there’s the guy who lays it out for the girl he wants, straight up, and the sincerity and the passion are seen and felt.

See the difference?

Comment by Paul

October 16, 2009 @ 10:46 pm

End Game, watch the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_Iq7UrdN2o, starting at 3:45. All he’s doing is filming, then the EMT threatens him with a B.S. interpretation of HIPA in order to get him to stop filming. When that doesn’t work he just steals the camera. You’re full of crap, frankly — you will excuse anything and everything the cops/emts do, because they’re the cops/emts. If any of these acts were done by anyone else you bootlickers would not be excusing it, and if it were against a cop you’d be demanding serious jailtime.

It’s good to hear that you wish the attack were worse, that apparently the right response to people who film and ask questions you don’t like is to violently assault them and their property. I guess it fits your thuggish, tyrannical nature well to violently suppress dissent.

Comment by END GAME

October 16, 2009 @ 11:05 pm

Paul you are a tool, he was not attacked your molestation of the incident is foolish. Hoffman is a whinny bitch, and is a fool. You fucks are a disgrace.

Comment by Paul

October 16, 2009 @ 11:37 pm

By “attack” I meant the attack on Ian’s property, which you were suggesting should have become full on assault, and intentional damage to an additional person’s property as well. This is apparently what tyrants like yourself consider an appropriate response to cameras and questions.

Comment by Lpviper

October 17, 2009 @ 1:32 pm

I’m still wondering about the idea of filing criminal complaints directly with a grand jury.

Sam, where are you on this? You were all about it back in December. Why has it dropped out of view? I very badly want to see what happens when somebody tries it.

Comment by xrazorwirex

October 17, 2009 @ 2:17 pm

“Had I been there you would have had some real good footage. Probably of me allowing Sam to ingest his HD camera”

Had there been any doubt that you were either a complete wackjob / a joke before, I think it’s gone now…

Comment by End Game

October 17, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

You want to see crazy razor..I’ll show you crazy. Yeah I am a complete fuckin wack job.

Comment by Lpviper

October 17, 2009 @ 9:43 pm

wack off, more like

lol had to eg

Comment by END GAME

October 18, 2009 @ 1:42 pm

Is wack off not an action…….not a thing?

Comment by Publics Eyes

October 18, 2009 @ 8:57 pm

Hey Ian Just to make a couple of corrections. You keep referring public safety personal as “agents” and didn’t know why? The City of Keene does not employ anyone with a title called “agent”. The city of Keene doesn’t even have a EMS squad. The picture of the man you have here is Ron Leslie, Captain of B-Shift with the Keene Fire Department. I feel when you refer any more articles about him I feel you should address him as Captain Leslie I believe he has earned it! And as far as your other so called “agent’s” that day that were with Captain Leslie they are Firefighters not “EMS agents”. The City of Keene Fire Departments provides Fire Suppression, Emergency Medical Service, Technical Rescue Response, and Hazardous Material Response to the City of Keene and surrounding communities.
And to answer you statement about “that it looks like there is a thin red line here in Keene”. The answer is YES there is. There is one in every community that has a Fire Department. When firefighters respond to a call – and even when they make a commitment to become professional or volunteer firefighters – they place their own lives second to those they serve. This “Thin Red Line” of heroic men and women who risk life and limb every day to keep us safe is all that separates us from more serious danger on a daily basis.
Similar to the “Thin Blue Line” that honors public servants in law enforcement, the Thin Red Line can be seen on numerous license plates, T-shirts and other personal items worn or carried by firefighters and police officers, their families, and citizens who just want to show support.

What the Thin Blue Line Really means. we want all Law Enforcement Officers to be honored for their service to a grateful nation. We strive to ensure that every great American, who served their country and community in the Law Enforcement profession be remembered and respected publicly.

The Thin Blue Line is the internationally recognized phrase that symbolizes there profession. The blue line represents each of their who daily protect this nation. The black background was designed as a constant reminder of their fallen brother and sister officers.

By displaying the Thin Blue Line is a symbol of Duty, Honor and Country, you are showing your love and respect for the brave men and women of law enforcement. It is this public respect which will help to enrich future generations.

Comment by Ian

October 18, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

Didn’t realize he was a fireman too, apologies. However, he still qualifies as an agent.

Definition 6 at dictionary.com: “a person who acts in an official capacity for a government”

I’ve always felt good about firemen/EMS until this incident. Ron Leslie was clearly putting himself ahead of his patient as he took the time away from his patient to harass and lie to the members of the media present.

He was acting like an authoritarian thug, not a caring EMS worker. Ignore the media and help your patients, please Ron.

My shock increased after I found out that he got his fellow shift members to lie to the chief about what happened. They claimed I was in their way and interfering. The video shows that I was doing no such thing, but that doesn’t matter.

Comment by Publics Eyes

October 19, 2009 @ 8:55 am

Ian Perhaps you should read the whole definition before you interpret it to what you want it to say. Definition 6 at dictionary.com: “a person who acts in an official capacity for a government or private agency, as a guard, detective, or spy” I don’t believe Captain Leslie takes part in any of those roles so he does NOT qualify as an agent. And you said that you “Didn’t realize he was a fireman too” well if you payed attention that day and watched the video it said Keene Fire Department right on the side of the ambulance and you seemed to know who to call when you wanted the names of the crew you called the Fire Department. so don’t tell me you didn’t know that he is a Firefighter! I’m not saying what Captain Leslie was right or wrong with his actions and I wouldn’t say with out watching the whole version of the video not the your edited version. You say your friend wanted him filmed and claim freedom of the press blah blah blah fine who cares just do Fire Department asks there job is hard enough as it is. Try to put your self in there shoes and try to do their job with a big crowd screaming and yelling at them. Besides he immediately turned your phone over to the Police Officer. His role at that incident is manage it. NOT to take care of the Patient that is the other two Firefighters jobs which they were doing. The Firefighters have to protect the privacy rights of the Patient at all times those are the HIPPA rules they have to obey does meen they like them but to be able to keep doing there job they have to obey those rules. I didn’t here your friend at any time say it was ok for him to be filmed in your edited version of the video. And is a very good actor if I may add.

Comment by Ian

October 19, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

Definition five, in full:

a person who works for or manages an agency.

Followed by agency, definition 3:
a governmental bureau

While your point was correct (I hadn’t read the full definition), you’re still incorrect on this semantic issue.

Figured the EMS workers were separate – I was wrong. Thanks for the correction. You can choose to believe me or think I’m lying.

You seem to think the activists are liars, and there’s obviously nothing I can say to correct you. There were several of us there, and none that I saw interfered in any way with EMS. Also, Leslie was lying about HIPPA, and besides that, Kurt ABSOLUTELY DID request we monitor his treatment. Just ask his wife.

Comment by Jessica

October 22, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

Ian you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. So keep amusing us with your BS. Finally “public eye” someone else who can see these fools ruining our society more so than anything. Free keene…ya ok you just create more drama. I find it really sad that you can call an EMT/ Firefighter….a thug. I also love how you PAID so much attention and KNOW so much about Ron…but u happened to not know he was a firefighter…haha so sad.

Comment by Paul

October 22, 2009 @ 5:26 pm

That EMT worker absolutely behaved as a thug that day, lashing out in anger and stealing Ian’s camera. Some government workers who otherwise seem nice simply cannot handle anything other than unquestioning obedience, and lash out when they don’t get it.

Comment by Lpviper

October 22, 2009 @ 6:37 pm

@ EG,

It’s slang, might be a Michigan thing

“that guy is a total fucking wack off”

means useless more or less

Comment by END GAME

October 22, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

@ viper

We use “Jackoff” here in New England……, or jagoff is used by the bigger city folk

Comment by Lpviper

October 22, 2009 @ 7:16 pm

I’ve heard of that in my travels (I’ve been to Keene once!) but we Michigan folk don’t talk that way. Like how we say somebody is ‘ignorant’ instead of saying ‘asshole’ like we mean, or how we call soda ‘pop’. I still think that’s better than Texas where all pop is ‘Coke’.

Shouldn’t we be, like, arguing about laws or something…?

Comment by END GAME

October 22, 2009 @ 7:25 pm

@ Viper

Not neccesarily…..My liberty loving friend. Even us statists can set diffrences aside to discuss other topics. I would discuss sports but we all know you free state nuts are against organized athletics(national indoctrination right).

Comment by Lpviper

October 22, 2009 @ 7:39 pm

Thats funny because I havent been able to shake my addiction to the most statist sport of them all…NASCAR!

I hate to even watch it sometimes, it’s SO God and Country it makes me want to puke. But it’s something my dad and I have enjoyed together for a long time, and so it continues…

And maybe that idea reaches toward the center of the conflict between statists and liberty lovers. Everybody has some vestige of statism they can’t quite leave go of.

I guess for some of us it’s just that’s there’s more of it.

A lot of what I thought was true I found out different about in the last few years. Certainly some of it was quite unpleasant. I do know that I owe it to myself and my neighbors to learn and practice tolerance and mutual respect.

Comment by END GAME

October 22, 2009 @ 8:51 pm

@viper

Although NASCAR, maybe the most capitalistic of all sports, with the sponsors and such.

Although I am vehemently opposed to the free state movement, and the tactics employed by them. I can admire their(activists) tenacity and vigor.

I guess even though some of my words may be terse and mean spirited I do possess an amount of respect for them…….albeit very tiny, miniscule actually

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