Free Keene

Comment by END GAME

October 21, 2009 @ 3:44 pm

Buckle up, save your dough….its gonna be a long winter.

Comment by Lpviper

October 21, 2009 @ 3:49 pm

How sad, that the law disorganizes justice and is thus useless, and even moreso that there are those who approve of such damage to the society of humans…

Comment by JJ

October 21, 2009 @ 3:51 pm

Gotta catch ‘em all!

Comment by END GAME

October 21, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

lucky for yous’ guys it’s usually catch and release

Comment by thinkliberty

October 21, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

It’s not politically correct to be a free stater, because of their political intolerance.

If you don’t believe that the state is your societal and personal savior — You will be punished for blasphemy (Kurt asked please and was sent to jail for 180 days for it) and imprisoned for silence. (Sam, Yadra and Brandon have proven this.)

Comment by Ian

October 21, 2009 @ 4:06 pm

One day I will stop paying their extortion money and they will probably laugh as they steal my house.

I don’t know how much longer I can handle funding this violence. Their next demand will be coming soon. I have no other ideas beyond paying in dollars again, but I’d like to come up with something different.

Comment by Anonymous

October 21, 2009 @ 4:15 pm

Hmm…I’ve never thought of freestaters as pokemon before. heh, mudkipz anyone?

Comment by ryan

October 21, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

@Ian: pennies?

Comment by Ian

October 21, 2009 @ 5:27 pm

Naw, the dollars were enough work on my part. Plus, you can’t stamp pennies and I don’t really relish pushing a wheelbarrow or a pallet jack full of pennies.

Comment by xrazorwirex

October 21, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

Most mafia collection agencies have had to combat penny protests in the past and have adapted. Keep them on their toes – maybe if we can get a bunch of people, atleast 3 or 4, to show up and pay in dollars.

It’s not an answer, as you know, but it makes people think.

Comment by AnAmazedReader

October 21, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

@Ian the Oleaginous wrote:

“One day I will stop paying their extortion money….”

Uh, no you won’t, as the resolution of “Couchgate” amply proved that you are essentially a posturing, grandstanding feline (I didn’t use the word “pussy” because 1) that would be vulgar, and 2) to do so would be insulting to pussies).

But no worries. “We forgive you”.

Comment by xrazorwirex

October 21, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

“Uh, no you won’t, as the resolution of “Couchgate” amply proved that you are essentially a posturing, grandstanding feline”

And you are some jackass on the internet who has done NOTHING, as opposed to most these people you throw ad-hominims at all day who have, at least, done SOMETHING.

Comment by Brodie

October 21, 2009 @ 7:09 pm

I understand Ian’s position. He has a great educational program. If he gets thrown in jail, or loses his house, his program dies. It is one of the most educational programs there are out there. In fact, I would say it is the most important show on air. I bet that if Ian’s work were not so important, that he would stop paying property taxes immediately.

Comment by iawai

October 21, 2009 @ 7:10 pm

Thanks for using Oleaginous, I appreciate knowing a big word for oily (from “olive” = olea), or unctuous, or smarmy.

(And I disagree with dictionary.com’s pronunciation: It should be “o-li-A-jine-us”)

Comment by Jim Davidson

October 21, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

Ana Maze Dreader, why do you dread mazes? And if you think Ian is a pusillanimous pantywaist, or a nebbish, or a coward, why not say so?

I don’t understand why you guys keep with the name “free state.” There is no such thing as limited government. To be in a condition of freedom, you have to be where the state isn’t.

Comment by smeg

October 22, 2009 @ 10:18 am

ian – do they allow you to pay with a check? you could write checks for 1 penny each, instead of hauling in pennies.

Comment by observer

October 22, 2009 @ 10:50 am

Or Ian could just pay it and move on with his life until next time. Just so long as we’re clear that doing it in pennies or whatever is only going to make more difficult the day of the person taking the money who has no hand in the way things are. It may make you feel better (I’ve done things like this myself) but in the end you aren’t doing anything but making yourself feel better and pissing off some one who more than likely doesn’t deserve it.

Comment by Ian

October 22, 2009 @ 11:21 am

They have a hand in it. If no one would do their job, the state couldn’t collect its precious revenue.

They should stop participating in extortion.

As far as the checks idea, it would cost a fortune in checks. Those things are expensive. Not to mention the time I’d have to invest.

Comment by smeg

October 22, 2009 @ 11:34 am

make a suit made of money, and tell them they have to undress you to get paid?

pay it in gold and silver, and if they refuse, make them sign something saying you offered to pay in legal tender, and they decided they didn’t want your money?

give a speech about ‘dirty money’, and give them ACTUAL dirty money (this could be fun… just bring a pair of gloves for when you hand it to them… so your hands don’t get messy)

Comment by thinkliberty

October 22, 2009 @ 11:41 am

Oberserver,

The person taking the money benefits financially from collecting the extortion money, might have a harder job to do. Cry me a river.

Pissing off someone who more than likely deserves it, might make you feel better. — They deserve it for being an accessory to extortion.

The person taking the extortion money might also decide at some point to go into a honest line of work, for a business that is not in the habit of extorting it’s customers.

If people want something, they are generally happy to pay for it.

When you threaten people with violence, if they don’t want to buy what you are offering, it generally pisses people off.

Comment by Jim Davidson

October 22, 2009 @ 12:23 pm

Pay it in one dollar bills, but be sure to wipe your backside with each one.

The bureau-rat who collects the money is the system. The system is theft and extortion and kidnapping. Sometimes the system is murder, assault, and rape.

By taking her paycheck in stolen money the bureau-rat who collects the fees is taking part in the system, and is a part of the problem.

As Ian suggests, one does not want her to be hurt or killed, just to quit. All she has to do to stop being part of the system and to stop being a subject of protests is to quit. She can work in the private sector for money that isn’t stolen.

Comment by Lpviper

October 22, 2009 @ 2:25 pm

Note that ‘wipe one’s backside’ does not necessarily mean ‘poo’

Comment by smeg

October 22, 2009 @ 2:50 pm

the suggestion to soak the money in pig’s blood was also brought up.

Comment by Lpviper

October 22, 2009 @ 4:02 pm

that’s kinda gross

Comment by Paul

October 22, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

I don’t think any of the gross ideas are advisable. I like the check idea but it would be expensive. Is there any way to print a large number of personal checks, or must all checks be issued by the bank itself? If the information and signature could be printed as well, this might actually work. I know some companies certainly print the signature.

Comment by Tumbleweed

October 22, 2009 @ 7:17 pm

A bunch of dollar bills and a comment about 4-5 of the dollar bills intimately spending the night before with you, but you’re not sure which ones they are now.

Comment by NuroSlam

October 22, 2009 @ 8:47 pm

As long as all the information needed to route and process the check is there they have to accept it. Hell, you could right a bash script and print them all out on normal computer paper just like quicken and any number of programs. And the sig can be stamped.

Comment by AnAmazedReader

October 22, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

Pig’s Blood. Feces. Clearly, some folks are getting pretty cranky that they haven’t made

ONE.

STITCH.

OF.

PROGRESS.

YET.

How could this be? It must be infinitely frustrating to be so morally and intellectually advanced, and yet have absolutely nothing to show for it. What a burden it must be to live in a community where 99.99% of the population either thinks you’re a passive-aggressive jackass or has simply never heard of you. The solution? Wear your complete lack of effectiveness as a badge of honor. Because actually achieving something would be an indication that you had stooped to the level of us poor heathens. Continual failure is a success, because you’re the only one who understands how “special” you are. A sweet and convenient construct.

Question:
If Ian forgives someone, and that someone is able to see that Ian is delusional, does Ian’s phony 1960s-era DJ voice still make a sound?

Comment by SamIam

October 22, 2009 @ 10:00 pm

Sure we have you to show for it. The things we do bother you so much, you’ve dedicated a fair portion of your life to focusing on it. All that, and your not even in NH!

Thanks you Amazed, your focus and attention are helping us grow the movement every day. FreeKeene is one of the the top 100,000 websites in the US and closing on the top 250k worldwide.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/freekeene.com

(BTW: how long are you going to keep repeating that same old joke?)

Comment by END GAME

October 22, 2009 @ 10:22 pm

Looks like the data indicates a downturn over the past 3 months.

Comment by SamIam

October 22, 2009 @ 11:46 pm

I guess we’ll have to pack it in and go home then. There was a huge bump from the 420 celebration that’s contributing to that decline.

Thanks for your concern, Keep telling your friends about us End Game, we really appreciate your support.

Comment by END GAME

October 23, 2009 @ 7:13 am

Hey, you guys made a good run…nobody said you didnt try. If you need help packing I think i can find a few people that would be more than happy to help.

Comment by Lpviper

October 23, 2009 @ 7:45 am

I’m curious, EG, how will your life be made better if the free staters depart? We’ll leave aside the consideration that many liberty folk in NH are natives, for now

Comment by Paul

October 23, 2009 @ 9:35 am

Of course, EG would stop having to question his assumptions, and would be able to go back to the delusion that everyone consents to having their money extorted from them by his favorite gang, and is happy to have violence enacted on them whenever they don’t obey any and every absurd diktat some bureaucrat feels like writing down.

I am sure returning to the old familiar lie, and avoiding cognitive dissonance, would be very comforting.

Comment by Anton Lee

October 23, 2009 @ 3:32 pm

Endgame, can you send those people over to help me pack. I’ll then call Mark and tell him I’m smoking pot near children and he’ll kidnap me and my belongings and bring us to the forest.

Comment by Rich Paul

October 23, 2009 @ 4:15 pm

Amazed:

Did you hear more than 100 local non-free-staters chanting for freedom the first time I got arrested? I did. What have you accomplished this month?

When you can rouse the population to protest, you have begun to win.

Have a nice day.

Comment by Tumbleweed

October 23, 2009 @ 5:01 pm

Dearest ANAMAZEDREADER,

It’s always a pleasure to see you in the full swing of things, you and your uncanny ability to play the part so effortlessly. As we both know, your presence here and the manner in which you stir shit ultimately reveals some basic info about your origins, Spoonlicker. You can be one of only 5 basic things.

1. A non-NH online previously and/or presently socially networked troll.

2. A freelance online non-NH troll with no loyalties to the social scene.

3. A lower level departmental plant whose mortgage is giving him such a shit shower watering daily, he’s quite happy to take orders and chew on his tongue’s conscience like Satan’s bulldog eating custard.

4. A previous, current, future (or all of the tenses) psychopath who’s weighing up diving into the Liberty movement to inspire real life carnage, either online, offline, or both.

5. A local with the means to effectively proxy back.

I reckon you’re two of those, but I’m assured of one.

Which is why you need to give this scene a miss before it’s made to be in your best interest. You only have the power whilst in your comfort zone and you can be quite easily removed from it, at leasure.

Ever so sincerely,

Tumbleweed

Comment by Mandrik

October 23, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

What about paying your property taxes in dollar bills, but this time crumpling every single bill? Lets face it–the FRN is nothing more than a piece of trash. If they want to steal your garbage, you may as well mash it up first.

Comment by Mandrik

October 23, 2009 @ 10:56 pm

Oh, and bring the money in a big, black trash bag. Forgot to mention that part.

Comment by Paul

October 23, 2009 @ 11:34 pm

No stamps, just crumple all the bills and bring them in big trash bags

Comment by Thomstele

October 24, 2009 @ 1:00 am

Get real. Get up and get over yourselves. You want limited government? grow up and use the system to change the system. Be intelligent. Prove your points like adults. Stop this charade, and stop wasting my tax dollars doing it. I’m all for limited government, dare i call my self a constitutionalist or libertarian, but for godsakes, all your doing is pathetically attempting to draw attention to yourselves. You yuk it up here with all your buddies, ranting against the oppression that you’ve deluded yourselves into believing exists. There are people in the this world standing up against real, balls to the wall oppression everyday. Why dont you use the god given rights and freedoms we’re afforded in this country/state/city and try to get your point across like people with brains. you have no idea how good you’ve got it. Get Real.

Comment by Ian

October 24, 2009 @ 1:16 am

Thoms,

It’s so great to have a gang of strangers threaten to steal your home if you don’t give them money.

It’s awesome to have your friends thrown in cold jail cells when they have harmed no one.

I should just shut the fuck up because some people around the world have it worse than we do?

The system is fucking broken dude, I’ve been working in the system for a decade, and it’s awful – just awful.

You say to “grow up”. What is adult about begging and supplicating? That’s “the system” you advocate. Just play by their interminable rules, and maybe someday you too will get hold of the ring of power!

Comment by thinkliberty

October 24, 2009 @ 1:37 am

THOMSTELE,

I can take care of myself. I don’t need your corrupt system to tell me what I can and can’t do. I think you should grow up and take responsibility for yourself.

Stop worshiping your law, it’s immoral and violent. Words on paper do not justify what the government does in the name of the “law.”

Our ranting against the oppression has got you to read freekeene.com — Tell “people with brains” about us, they will understand where we are coming from.

All your doing is pathetically attempting to convince yourself you are not a slave, It did not work. You call yourself a “constitutionalist or libertarian”, but you know you are a neo-con.

Thanks for the LULZ, stupid.

Comment by xrazorwirex

October 24, 2009 @ 2:12 am

Wait.. so acting like free people isn’t making us free??

Just like with peace, there isn’t a ‘way’ to freedom, freedom is the way. Declare your freedom and act freely, they can’t keep up the facade AND harass ALL of us…

Why should I have to change your bullshit system? I don’t believe in it, so I don’t care what it says – my goal isn’t to change it, interestingly enough. They just need to leave me alone – they can oppress anyone else that wants to live in the system all they want; it’s not my right to tell you that you can’t be a slave if you want to be one.

Comment by Thomstele

October 24, 2009 @ 12:41 pm

As long as all of you want to keep jerking each other off, feel free. Breaking a rule for no other reason than that you want to and can, is childish. ‘acting freely’? you mean arbitrarily lashing out and wasting my tax dollars? The only progress you’ve made is made conservative look bad and help turn New Hampshire into a blue state.

a bunch of delusional sci-fi fans who have read half of milton f’s free to chose, and have seen braveheard and the patriot 20+ times does not a political movement make. Thanks for encouraging the overreaching gov to double their efforts here in the Live Free Or Die state.

If you think the Ends Justify the Means, you have to attain some “ends”

Comment by Ian

October 24, 2009 @ 1:19 pm

Thoms,

They aren’t my rules. They are their rules, being forced upon me without my consent.

As I said in the other thread, it is the state that is wasting your money. (Not to mention extorting it from you in the first place.) Perhaps you should place your blame on them.

Comment by Brodie

October 24, 2009 @ 1:19 pm

Thomstele,

If you don\’t like it, why don\’t you quit paying taxes? That\’s not our problem if you keep paying, that is yours.

Comment by xrazorwirex

October 24, 2009 @ 1:22 pm

“Breaking a rule for no other reason than that you want to and can, is childish.”

Bullying peaceful people over some plants and extorting money from them is how adults are supposed to act, kids.

“you mean arbitrarily lashing out and wasting my tax dollars? ”

Arbitrary? You defend the state and accuse US of being arbitrary? Do you pay attention at all?
And nobody here is ‘wasting your tax dollars’. The thugs that took that money from you are wasting it, and you need to be pissed at them for wasting your money on telling people what to do.

“a bunch of delusional sci-fi fans who have read half of milton f’s free to chose, and have seen braveheard and the patriot 20+ times does not a political movement make.”

Pretty much none of this makes any sense. Do you like fabricating things in your head and imposing your delusions on others?

Just leave me alone. That’s all I want.

“If you think the Ends Justify the Means, you have to attain some “ends””

…….How do you become a free person? You act free. Not sure how that’s so confusing to you….

You should google this character named Gandhi; he did a pretty good job of proving you wrong before you even started.

Comment by Thomstele

October 24, 2009 @ 2:17 pm

Gandhi? HA! i’d love to hear you compare yourself to gandhi.. AHAHHAHA. this is all too fun.

Comment by smeg

October 24, 2009 @ 3:57 pm

i think the purpose of this post is lost by thomstele… in fact, i can’t tell (based on the content of his comments) if he even read it.

as i posted here, i overheard a trooper explain, make no mistake about it, that him and his buddies in law enforcement have made targeting and arresting people they group together as “Free Staters” into a game played for it’s entertainment value. how do you use the system to fix that?

looking at history, whenever a consensus among ‘authorities’ in government has been made to target people who are part of a ‘group’ (race, religion, political devotions, etc…) and make efforts to enact ‘legitimate violence’ on them, it is now generally considered to be a bad thing. we may not be getting shot down or tortured to death (despite many people telling us on here that they advocate that).

however, does it really have to go that far before we are allowed to say it should stop?

if they start brutally raping, stabbing, beating, killing, etc.. us, can we then stand up and act out against it?

how come we can’t just do that now, so we can live without fear that it could ever come to that point?

isn’t the fact that because we disagree with the way government treats people IS THE REASON we are targeted for mistreatment a sign that they are not doing the right thing?

and do you think it’s right that these troopers arrest and lock up my family for entertainment, not safety, at your expense?

this post was made to show those things. we are not costing tax payers a penny, the ones who have made a game of hunting us are using your money to play their game. if they left us alone, and got into playing cards or racing boats… would you be willing to pay for that form of entertainment instead?

Comment by xrazorwirex

October 24, 2009 @ 4:29 pm

I’m not comparing myself or anyone else to Gandhi but he certainly was a masterful practitioner of civil disobedience. I consider his teachings inspirational and based on his success and the success of civil disobedience in general would like to think that CD can continue to work for us.

Your discounting of people who have just begone to disobey, utilizing proven teachings, in favor of a system that is a proven failure is the real joke here.

I’d like to ask you, what’s your purpose for saying the things you say? Why do you hate people who just want to be left alone so much?

Comment by Paul

October 25, 2009 @ 1:05 pm

Since you seem to be interested in reading material, thom, may I suggest the following:

Bastiat’s “The Law”: http://mises.org/story/2060
Rothbard’s “For a new liberty”: http://mises.org/books/newliberty.pdf
Thoreau’s “On civil disobedience”: http://books.google.com/books?id=3IatJjn-tNEC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_navlinks_s#v=onepage&q=&f=false
“The market for liberty”: http://mises.org/books/marketforliberty.pdf
The anti-federalist papers: http://www.constitution.org/afp/afp.htm
Hazlett’s “Economics in one lesson”: http://books.google.com/books?id=c2j494_m84IC&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22economics+in+one+lesson%22&ei=TJHkSpjRDJOilQSy7qjyCw#v=onepage&q=&f=false
Hayek’s “The road to serfdom”: http://books.google.com/books?id=eTve6XEUbYIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22the+road+to+serfdom%22&ei=KZHkSrL4FZCUkASqv7iyDA#v=onepage&q=&f=false

If you have a particular interest in a certain topic, let me know. For example, if you’re interested in early U.S. history, I’d check out Rothbard’s “concieved in liberty” — first volume here: http://mises.org/books/conceived1.pdf