Social Sundays Moves to Fritz Starting 11/1, Now at 2pm!

October 31, 2009 by Ian
Filed under: Announcement, Social, ToDo

Fritz Keene’s weekly all-ages social gathering of liberty-minded people is moving to Fritz, “The Place to Eat” at 45 Main St! It’s still happening on Sundays but is now starting at a new time of 2pm.

Why the change so soon? Social Sundays had been taking place 4pm at Vendetta for over a year and the event unfortunately had to be moved to Armadillo’s at 5pm because of Vendetta’s new 21+ policy. Armadillo’s is still a great place to eat and gather, and Social Sundays may expand out there again once the gathering gets too big for Fritz (we may have to just have a block party someday once we hit hundreds), but the reason the event is leaving Armadillo’s for Fritz is because Armadillo’s charged a cover for a band that was to play last Sunday. Mind you, there’s nothing wrong with them doing this, it’s just not conducive to our open-to-the-public Social Sundays event. Turns out that Armadillo’s has bands occasionally play on Sundays and additionally some had complained about the limited adult beverage selection. Considering we want an open event that people don’t have to pay to enter, it was time to move Social Sundays again.

Couch The list of requirements for a place to hold the event is one reason we had to make the time change to 2pm (the other is that Fritz closes at 4pm). We need somewhere to meet that preferably serves food and alcoholic beverages, can handle a crowd of fifty (about our current maximum size, which a year ago would have been 25!), is affordable, all-ages, and has no waitstaff. For an all-ages event open to the public, it’s inevitable that we will be bringing significant business to whichever establishment is chosen, however a restaurant with service doesn’t fit the bill for a large social gathering. People need to be able to mill about and visit other people at other tables, or just stand and chat. Plus, with no waitstaff, costs are kept low for those on a tight budget and there aren’t servers to get upset about people who decide not to order or taking too long to leave the table. Social Sundays is held on Sundays at off-times specifically so we don’t burden establishments by getting in the way of other heavy customer times.

Front Window Sundays are a good day for people to get together socially as many people are not working and not many others tend to patronize food establishments on Sundays, especially during off-hours, so our group tends to be the supermajority of the customer base wherever we’ve been, whether it be Cheshire Village Pizza in 2006 (back when it was the Monadnock Porcupines Meet N’ Greet), Panera in 2007, the Colony Mill Food Court in early 2008, Vendetta (4/08-8/09) or Armadillo’s (8/09-10/09). Fritz fits the bill of particulars. The food is varied (here’s their menu) – sandwiches, salads, and their multiple award-winning Belgian fries (Best in NH and Best in the Monadnock region, year after year!) Plus they have a surprisingly large selection of bottled adult beverages (including imports) for a family-friendly establishment, plus they even serve draft beers! The staff is friendly and the atmosphere is casual with couches and a variety of tables and chairs. As an added bonus one of the managers is a local liberty advocate! Fritz is a pretty hip place to meet and eat, so I think it will be great for Social Sundays!

Hopefully this will be the last time the event will need to be moved for a while. Some people have expressed confusion as to where and when Social Sundays is being held. (Understandble, given the recent changes and addition of a 21+ Social Sundays at 5pm back at Vendetta, though the 21+ event may be changing soon to an 18+ event at a private club. Watch this blog for the announcement.) For anyone experiencing confusion, you are encouraged to visit our calendar anytime at Calendar.FreeKeene.com. There you will find several things to do here in the Keene area. Clicking on one will bring you to more details on the event. Please join us starting tomorrow, 11/1 at 2pm for the all-ages Social Sundays, now at Fritz at 45 Main St. in Keene. Here’s the forum discussion.

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Zeus,

The convorsation can stop at the point where you don't recognize the conflict between the meth lab and your pre school. The meth lab is built near the school for market reasons, not the other way around dummy. The amount of idiotic presumptions under your utopia are countless. Im not reffering to your need to dominate othrs but others who actually have power and influence to maintain it. Your rules only apply to the small group of people stupid enough to download your book on tape and move here because of it. Lack of government, as I said before, does not erase Power structure or its ability to control you. Try again. My system, ha ha simple little god on the imaginary mountain doesnt read words good…FAIL
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Oh, and for your stoic defence of the constitution, its hard to tell which of you respect the old documents and those of you who "never signed a contract with your government" hard to keep track of the spoiled idiocy of your lost movement.
http://xrindustries.com xrazorwirex

"Please refute my last post and please use real data and historical refferances[sic] to defend your mind…… or don’t."

Your entire 'last post' was based in assumptions that you know what my ideas are and a lot of the criticisms you brought are pretty baseless or don't apply to me.

I want to know your genius idea that's gonna make it so I don't have to get forced by some violent gang to pay them extortion money if I want to live somewhere or have a job or trade goods or own a dog or drive a car on roads that I helped pay for.

I'm gonna have to say that you're falling into that aforementioned category of people that actually don't spend much time talking about topics of actual substance and fall back on nonsense and name calling to make themselves feel justified. I mean, the first word in the first post directed at me was already ad hominem bullshit and didn't answer any of my questions or contain any substance…

What's your purpose for talking to anyone here?

You don't seem interested in anyone's ideas because you came with preconceived notions and think you understand everything already and you aren't providing much of an alternative means for bringing 'liberty in our lifetimes', which is the stated overall goal of everyone who is involved in this group. Why do you bother?

Do you want everyone to just shut up and be a slave?

Do you just hate people?

Are you a troll?

What?
Zeus

The meth lab is built near the school for market reasons, not the other way around dummy. The amount of idiotic presumptions under your utopia are countless.

You mean like the idiotic presumption that pre-schoolers can afford meth and are thus the intended market target for drug pushers? 5 year-olds don't have any money, "dummy".

Im not reffering to your need to dominate othrs but others who actually have power and influence to maintain it. Your rules only apply to the small group of people stupid enough to download your book on tape and move here because of it. My system, ha ha simple little god on the imaginary mountain doesnt read words good…FAIL

Maybe if you spoke fluent English I'd understand what the fuck you're talking about.

1. We don't have any books on tape.
2. Nobody uses tape anymore. We use CD's. Welcome to the 21st century.
3. As for "others who actually have power and influence to maintain it", I can only guess you're trying to say something about how government is just a bunch of people willing to use assault, murder and threats to get their way and to control others, in which I would agree.

Lack of government, as I said before, does not erase Power structure or its ability to control you. Try again.

Government is a just an organized group of parasites preying on the wealth and labor of others, not unlike the mafia or the Crips and Bloods. Take away their illusion of legitimacy and that's all they are.

You + words = EPIC FAIL.
http://ringingliberty.com paul

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I dont agree with the way your group operates, so I am automaticly directly responsible for what you see as demonstorably wrong with the world.

You support it, and so, you are morally responsible for it — especially since it is being perpetrated by an organization which is quite dependent on popular support. Or, have I misjudged you? Do you oppose the acts I described?

If you oppose government coersion, but simply do not agree with the methods of activism used here, then you are right that what I said does not apply.

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Paul, if you think theft,coercion and violence exist largely within the vaccume of what you see as the government, you haven’t been around very long

I fully agree that coersion and violence exist outside of government. I oppose murder, theft, etc, by non-governmental people as well. Trust me, if you were defending ted bundy, I'd come down on you just as hard. As it is, you are supporting the goons with badges.

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or lack the curiosity to study human history.

Actually, history shows the most major atrocities are committed by governments. More than 150 million were killed by their own governments in the 20th century alone, and that's not counting wars.

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If you were to take away the safety nets and regulation that you see as the bad guy, The people who are in power now stay there, only with nothing to hold them back.

I support rules — legitimate rules based on natural law. For example, rules against harming other people or their property, and rules that an owner places over the use of their property.

I oppose arbitrary rules, by which bureacurats and politicians violate the rights of others. I am not supporting the abolition of rules, I am saying that they should be applied equally, to all people.

Currently, we have a political class which is permitted to commit blatenly immoral acts which would be clearly unacceptable for anyone else.

Great reform, through history, comes when we broaden moral principles to include people and situations to which they had not formerly been applied. Principled opposition to slavery, for example, was based on the recognition that the word "men" in "all men are created equal and endowed with certain unalienable rights, among them … liberty" cannot just mean white menOther examples include the delcaration of independence itself, and the bill of rights, which had been formed based on just such an expansion of the application of moral principle, from nobility to commoners, and much later, to blacks and women. Each of these changes, in their turn, appeared to be drastic and unprecidented.

It's time to apply basic moral principles to the behavior of "government".

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Heres a little hint, they are not politicians. They are the India trading companies of our modern age. Do you really think that privatizing everything would affect them adversly? Do you think privatization of the very institutions you despise isn’t happening now?

Corpratism is what is happening now, where big government gets in bed with big business, at the expense of everyone else. What I oppose is agressive violence. Currently, the largest perpetrator of agressive violence right now is government, but I promise you I will oppose it wherever it is found. If a business descided to start extorting money from people, I would try to convince people to stand against them as well.

And, were you to support their theft, I would come down on you just as hard. As I say though, you're currently supporting the agressive violence of the gang with badges, so that's what I'll call you out on.

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By the way, if you think that non violent idealism is a mechanism that has a serious influence on market trends please send me the data.

I find that most people tend to be decent in their private lives. Most people, who don't think twice about voting for socialism, would never personally break into their neighbor's house, pawn his tv set, and use the money to buy stuff they want.

It is this illusion of legitimacy that needs to go. Both acts are theft, one is just being committed by a larger gang. Yes, there will always be criminals out there who have no compunction about harming other people. We will have to defend against those people, as we do now.

The problem now, however, is not that people have completely abandoned moral principles — as I say, at least 99% of most people's interactions with others are voluntary, and non-agressive. The problem is that people have created moral exceptions for their actions in particular circumstances.

It's the same way slavery lasted so long, even among people who supposedly believed all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with the unalienable right to liberty. "Well, blacks don't apply". Or, the same reason, at an earlier time, that the rights of commoners were not respected. "Laymen cannot own property", etc.

No, we are ALL endowed by our creator with the right to own our lives and the fruits of our labor, and there are no exceptions to rules for basic human decency for those with shiny badges and popular support.
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wish i'd gotten to this sooner. I'm proud of you guys. i think you won the above debate handily.—->///—>NAME(REQUIRED) wrote: Im not reffering to your need to dominate othrs but others who actually have power and influence to maintain it. Your rules only apply to the small group of people stupid enough to download your book on tape and move here because of it. My system, ha ha simple little god on the imaginary mountain doesnt read words good…FAIL…I think that NR is here acknowledging that it's not his system, it's *their* system. NR just happens to go along with it. Do i have that right???…Eventually, everything changes….what will your precious little "gov't" look like, *AFTER* it changes, NR???…
ihavehadenough

WHat if the meth lab blew up – like they have been known to do – and spreads toxic fumes and waste that affects those little children……
http://ringingliberty.com Paul

I don't know what conversation you're referring to, I have.

But if a person blows up a meth lab and harms children, they should be working to pay those kids restitution, and if it's very serious harm, probably for the rest of their life. Their assets should be used for that purpose as well.
ihavehadenough

How about using a little basic fucking common sense in your ridiculous utopian dream society! Enforce a ban on meth labs!!! They are dangerous, breed thieving junkies and contribute nothing to the common good. You guys are so fucked!
Zeus

No no, Paul. Since we have to protect everyone from everything imaginable, we need to hunt down every possible meth-maker, kidnap them at gunpoint and lock them away in a cage because, you know, they *might* blow up their lab and hurt someone. As long as the possibility exists that someone can be hurt or offended in this country, it is our patriotic duty to do everything in our power through the government apparatus to prevent those things happening to anyone ever again. So we must tax and invade and torture in order to protect life, liberty and property. It's the American Way.

And besides, trying to control the behavior and thinking of 350 million Americans (and all them foreigners out there trying to kill or enslave us) isn't a Utopian fantasy like your silly "Let's just stop hurting people and respect property rights" mantra. Such silly nonsense. We just need the right politicians in office to throw the right amount of money at every problem this country faces. Then a new Golden Age will dawn.
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You guys are unreal
ihavehadenough

Better idea….hunt down the meth heads, line them up with the 420 addicts and have a good old firing squad!
Zeus

Its always amusing when the statists suggest solving problems with mass murder.
ihavehadenough

Almost as amusing when the FS'ers advocate dangerous drug use and the associated violent crime that will always go with it. Meth heads are not exactly peaceful people and their product is highly toxic and its byproducts linger for years.
http://ringingliberty.com Paul

Man, forget meth labs, do you know how many people die because of obesity and heart disease every year? Serving big macs should be a capitol offense — firing squad style, just like IHave suggests. Everyone should only be able to eat foods of which I approve. I will hire goons to bludgeon or cage anyone who eats an unapproved food, for their own good. People who want their foods approved can hire lobbyists to take me to fancy dinners, or contribute to my reelection campaign. Oh, but the mcchicken is ok, because it's damn tasty.

Then, there's those crazy people who drive cars, which kill tens of thousands each year. It would be pure recklessness to go on a joy ride, but I admit that some driving purposes might have a net benefit as determined by me, grand dictator of all decisions, and sole proprietor of good sense. For example, going to see bon jovi? Heck no. Definitely no public good. But, if you're driving to see Radiohead, well, that does improve public musical awareness, so I might just have to approve that. I guess it all comes down to how many bon jovi brings to my fundraising dinner next month. Oh, and driving to see the fall foliage? Definitely out. Talk a walk you obese mofo, and stop risking my health with your death machine.

Also, there's alcohol, which leads to far more abuse and injury than all other drugs put together. But then, I like sam adams and scotch, so I guess that can stay legal. Maybe I'll outlaw vodka. What kind of reprobate drinks vodka? It's practically flavorless.

Oh, and I'll be sending my goons around to extract money from you on a semi-annual basis as well. How else do you think I'm going to pay for all this? They can check whether the artwork on your wall contributes to the public good or not, while they're there. Hint: Cubism causes seizures, I'm pretty sure. Plus the French considered Picasso an enemy of the state. Don't even try it.

Then, there's always the facade of your house. We all know that salmon and sky blue contribute nothing to the public good, and cause weakness of intestinal fortitude. Puse, and vermillion, and eggplant will be allowed. The same rules go for clothing. Hats should be fedoras, which suggest taste, which benefits the public good. Baseball caps should never be worn backwards, or contain a yankees logo. I will be coming up with a full list of approved clothing later. See that you are not caught with unapproved color combinations, or my goons will extract more money from you, or lock you in my cage.

You would have brought it on yourself after all, the rules are plain as day.

Caffeine will be handed out by special request. Drinking it recklessly could lead to insomnia, which harms us all, but then, there are some cases where important tasks must be completed.

A five o'clock jog will be required for all, as we are all forced to cover the cost of health care for unhealthy persons. Short shorts will not be allowed, as they could cause accidents. Take care that you are not ticketed for excessive cheerfulness before 7 am however, as we all know how much that pisses people with hangovers off, and could lead to acts of violence.

Basically, if my goon squad demands money or obedience from you for anything at all, just give it to them. You may think it's not a law, but I guarantee it's in there somewhere, or something somewhat like it is. Plus, the goons work for me, and I'm the one interpreting the law.

You may think the goons are being intrusive, or don't let you keep enough of your money, or spend that money on things you don't approve of, like "murder", "assault", "extortion", or "kidnapping", but just remember, it's for the public good, as defined by me. These things are only immoral when done by lesser mortals, who are incapable of making their own decisions, let alone everyone else's, as I do.

I do want to hear more about breed thieving, though, Ihave, how exactly does that work? I consider you the resident expert on organized theft here, so perhaps you can fill me in. Do you steal rare shiatsus or somesuch, or do you just mean that you do your best to eradicate the breed of independent, liberty loving, self responsible individuals that originally made this country great?
http://ringingliberty.com Paul

Oh, and here's a radical, earthshaking thought for all you rabid drug warriors: Maybe if you didn't outlaw the manufacture of drugs, they wouldn't be made in enclosed residential areas by teenagers with chemistry sets. Maybe they'd be made the same way aspirin, and other drugs are: In safe industrial environments by professionals.

Looks like those kids are yet more victims of your inhuman drug war, which finances terrorists, gang wars, and cartels everywhere.

The drug war: Because we were too damn stupid to pay attention during alcohol prohibition.
ihavehadenough

So, when one of those freaked out meth heads with rotting teeth and fried nerves kills a passerby because of a paranoid delusion….do you fix his teeth and give him treatment before or after he makes "restitution" to the grieving family
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Paul,

What happened to you? You sound different. I may not have agreed with you, but I enjoyed the conversation. You sound irratic and unstable now.. Whats going on? Ranting wasn't your style. Are you alright?
http://ringingliberty.com Paul

You'd be free to donate charitably towards anyone's dental and medical care you like, because, *gasp*, it's your money. I know it's a shocking idea. For murder, he'd likely be making restitution for the rest of his life, however, so there's no "after".
http://ringingliberty.com Paul

It's called parody, NR. If you're in the mood for substantive thought, I'd welcome a continuation of our discussion, and a response to my latest post, which may be found here: http://freekeene.com/2009/11/07/join-us-for-socia….

Oh, and by the way, will you be allowing the meth labs to move to a secure, industrial environment, to be produced by professionals, rather than gangs, or is the continuation of your insane war on drugs more important to you than children's safety?
http://freetalklive.com/ Ian

This is what Meth looks like when made in the legal market:
http://www.lundbeckinc.com/USA/products/CNS/desox… (yes, Lundbeck manufactures legal meth.) It's manufactured under safe laboratory conditions.

Ending prohibition will end the violence associated with the drug trade, just like it did when alcohol prohibition ended.
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Paul,

Im well aware of what parody is. In the hands of clever people who actually have a sense of humor it can be A highly effective device. In the hands of the humorless idealistic zelot it merely comes off as insane ranting. You seem more frustrated as you continue to post. Scoffing sarcasm has snuck its way into your exchanges. The measured tone is fading away. There appears to be a bitterness that wasn't there before. Im just curious.
Zeus

…it merely comes off as insane ranting.

Considering he was parodying the kind of dreck that comes out of most statists mouths, I agree wholeheartedly. Their calls for violence against and control over others does indeed come off as insane ranting.

Now you know what we see when they do it to us.
http://ringingliberty.com Paul

The disturbing thing is how difficult it is to exaggerate. We already have government required approval for house color schemes, foods, flower purchases, etc. I'm sorry you didn't find my post humorous — perhaps it was a bit off, as I've been up late nights working on my term paper — but my intent was to illustrate the absurdity and arrogance of proclaiming oneself the arbitor of "public good", and attepting to control the behavior of others to your own chosen ends.

Everything I said is a logical extention of the busybody government we have today, and is justified by the same logic used to excuse its current actions. If it is appropriate for me to dictate to a person what color they may paint their home, why not their clothes? I have to look at both, after all. If we're going to suppose that we have a right to dictate that a person buy health insurance, because we are going to be "forced" to help them if they get sick, why not dictate to them what they can and cannot eat, or that they must jog? Local governments have already justified bans on trans-fats using these very grounds. Cars are extremely dangerous. Why not dictate for what purposes they may be used? We already have the notion in this country that police and bureacurats must be obeyed without question, and certainly "lawful" excuses are found to cover practically all of their actions, no matter how abusive.

The idea of thereatening violence against all those who choose to act in a way of which you do not personally approve, or believe serves your definition of "common good", is tyrannical and absurd. They have a right to make their own decisions about their person and property — you do not own either.

An unimbellished description of the nanny statism we live in today would seem to be an unbelievable parody to anyone living in this country a hundred years ago, let alone two hundred. If we continue on our present course, what I describe may seem tame.

And yes, nanny statists sounds exactly this silly to me.

Oh, and how about that drug war? Are you still going to force meth to be made with secret labs, by criminals, in residental areas? Of course, if you really are a friend to the gangs, you could go in the other direction. Many currently legal drugs are also dangerous to manufacture. Perhaps you could outlaw asprin, and see what mayham the gangs could cause trying to manufacture that in their basements. I bet they'd get more money, which seems to be the main accomplishment of the drug war.

During alcohol prohibition there were many distillery explosions and fires, perhaps we could bring alcohol prohbition back and start enjoying those as well. Bad whiskey also commonly caused blindness, brain damage, or death during prohibition, since it was made by bootleggers, much as bad drugs are and do today.