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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The disturbing thing is how difficult it is to exaggerate. We already have government required approval for house color schemes, foods, flower purchases, etc. I&#039;m sorry you didn&#039;t find my post humorous -- perhaps it was a bit off, as I&#039;ve been up late nights working on my term paper -- but my intent was to illustrate the absurdity and arrogance of proclaiming oneself the arbitor of &quot;public good&quot;, and attepting to control the behavior of others to your own chosen ends. 
 
Everything I said is a logical extention of the busybody government we have today, and is justified by the same logic used to excuse its current actions. If it is appropriate for me to dictate to a person what color they may paint their home, why not their clothes? I have to look at both, after all. If we&#039;re going to suppose that we have a right to dictate that a person buy health insurance, because we are going to be &quot;forced&quot; to help them if they get sick, why not dictate to them what they can and cannot eat, or that they must jog? Local governments have already justified bans on trans-fats using these very grounds. Cars are extremely dangerous. Why not dictate for what purposes they may be used? We already have the notion in this country that police and bureacurats must be obeyed without question, and certainly &quot;lawful&quot; excuses are found to cover practically all of their actions, no matter how abusive. 
 
The idea of thereatening violence against all those who choose to act in a way of which you do not personally approve, or believe serves your definition of &quot;common good&quot;, is tyrannical and absurd. They have a right to make their own decisions about their person and property -- you do not own either. 
 
An unimbellished description of the nanny statism we live in today would seem to be an unbelievable parody to anyone living in this country a hundred years ago, let alone two hundred. If we continue on our present course, what I describe may seem tame. 
 
And yes, nanny statists sounds exactly this silly to me. 
 
Oh, and how about that drug war? Are you still going to force meth to be made with secret labs, by criminals, in residental areas? Of course, if you really are a friend to the gangs, you could go in the other direction. Many currently legal drugs are also dangerous to manufacture. Perhaps you could outlaw asprin, and see what mayham the gangs could cause trying to manufacture that in their basements. I bet they&#039;d get more money, which seems to be the main accomplishment of the drug war.  
 
During alcohol prohibition there were many distillery explosions and fires, perhaps we could bring alcohol prohbition back and start enjoying those as well. Bad whiskey also commonly caused blindness, brain damage, or death during prohibition, since it was made by bootleggers, much as bad drugs are and do today. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The disturbing thing is how difficult it is to exaggerate. We already have government required approval for house color schemes, foods, flower purchases, etc. I&#039;m sorry you didn&#039;t find my post humorous &#8212; perhaps it was a bit off, as I&#039;ve been up late nights working on my term paper &#8212; but my intent was to illustrate the absurdity and arrogance of proclaiming oneself the arbitor of &quot;public good&quot;, and attepting to control the behavior of others to your own chosen ends.</p>
<p>Everything I said is a logical extention of the busybody government we have today, and is justified by the same logic used to excuse its current actions. If it is appropriate for me to dictate to a person what color they may paint their home, why not their clothes? I have to look at both, after all. If we&#039;re going to suppose that we have a right to dictate that a person buy health insurance, because we are going to be &quot;forced&quot; to help them if they get sick, why not dictate to them what they can and cannot eat, or that they must jog? Local governments have already justified bans on trans-fats using these very grounds. Cars are extremely dangerous. Why not dictate for what purposes they may be used? We already have the notion in this country that police and bureacurats must be obeyed without question, and certainly &quot;lawful&quot; excuses are found to cover practically all of their actions, no matter how abusive.</p>
<p>The idea of thereatening violence against all those who choose to act in a way of which you do not personally approve, or believe serves your definition of &quot;common good&quot;, is tyrannical and absurd. They have a right to make their own decisions about their person and property &#8212; you do not own either.</p>
<p>An unimbellished description of the nanny statism we live in today would seem to be an unbelievable parody to anyone living in this country a hundred years ago, let alone two hundred. If we continue on our present course, what I describe may seem tame.</p>
<p>And yes, nanny statists sounds exactly this silly to me.</p>
<p>Oh, and how about that drug war? Are you still going to force meth to be made with secret labs, by criminals, in residental areas? Of course, if you really are a friend to the gangs, you could go in the other direction. Many currently legal drugs are also dangerous to manufacture. Perhaps you could outlaw asprin, and see what mayham the gangs could cause trying to manufacture that in their basements. I bet they&#039;d get more money, which seems to be the main accomplishment of the drug war. </p>
<p>During alcohol prohibition there were many distillery explosions and fires, perhaps we could bring alcohol prohbition back and start enjoying those as well. Bad whiskey also commonly caused blindness, brain damage, or death during prohibition, since it was made by bootleggers, much as bad drugs are and do today.</p>
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		<title>By: Zeus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...it merely comes off as insane ranting.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
Considering he was parodying the kind of dreck that comes out of most statists mouths, I agree wholeheartedly. Their calls for violence against and control over others does indeed come off as insane ranting. 
 
Now you know what we see when they do it to us. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;it merely comes off as insane ranting.</p></blockquote>
<p>Considering he was parodying the kind of dreck that comes out of most statists mouths, I agree wholeheartedly. Their calls for violence against and control over others does indeed come off as insane ranting.</p>
<p>Now you know what we see when they do it to us.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, 
 
Im well aware of what parody is. In the hands of clever people who actually have a sense of humor it can be A highly effective device. In the hands of the humorless idealistic zelot it merely comes off as insane ranting. You seem more frustrated as you continue to post. Scoffing sarcasm has snuck its way into your exchanges. The measured tone is fading away. There appears to be a bitterness that wasn&#039;t there before. Im just curious. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>Im well aware of what parody is. In the hands of clever people who actually have a sense of humor it can be A highly effective device. In the hands of the humorless idealistic zelot it merely comes off as insane ranting. You seem more frustrated as you continue to post. Scoffing sarcasm has snuck its way into your exchanges. The measured tone is fading away. There appears to be a bitterness that wasn&#039;t there before. Im just curious.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what Meth looks like when made in the legal market:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lundbeckinc.com/USA/products/CNS/desoxyn/default.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.lundbeckinc.com/USA/products/CNS/desox...&lt;/a&gt;  (yes, Lundbeck manufactures legal meth.)  It&#039;s manufactured under safe laboratory conditions. 
 
Ending prohibition will end the violence associated with the drug trade, just like it did when alcohol prohibition ended. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what Meth looks like when made in the legal market:<br />
  <a href="http://www.lundbeckinc.com/USA/products/CNS/desoxyn/default.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.lundbeckinc.com/USA/products/CNS/desox&#8230;</a>  (yes, Lundbeck manufactures legal meth.)  It&#039;s manufactured under safe laboratory conditions.</p>
<p>Ending prohibition will end the violence associated with the drug trade, just like it did when alcohol prohibition ended.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s called parody, NR. If you&#039;re in the mood for substantive thought, I&#039;d welcome a continuation of our discussion, and a response to my latest post, which may be found here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://freekeene.com/2009/11/07/join-us-for-social-sundays-now-3pm-at-mccues/comment-page-1/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://freekeene.com/2009/11/07/join-us-for-socia...&lt;/a&gt;. 
 
Oh, and by the way, will you be allowing the meth labs to move to a secure, industrial environment, to be produced by professionals, rather than gangs, or is the continuation of your insane war on drugs more important to you than children&#039;s safety? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s called parody, NR. If you&#039;re in the mood for substantive thought, I&#039;d welcome a continuation of our discussion, and a response to my latest post, which may be found here: <a href="http://freekeene.com/2009/11/07/join-us-for-social-sundays-now-3pm-at-mccues/comment-page-1/" rel="nofollow">http://freekeene.com/2009/11/07/join-us-for-socia&#8230;</a>. </p>
<p>Oh, and by the way, will you be allowing the meth labs to move to a secure, industrial environment, to be produced by professionals, rather than gangs, or is the continuation of your insane war on drugs more important to you than children&#039;s safety?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;d be free to donate charitably towards anyone&#039;s dental and medical care you like, because, *gasp*,  it&#039;s your money. I know it&#039;s a shocking idea. For murder, he&#039;d likely be making restitution for the rest of his life, however, so there&#039;s no &quot;after&quot;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#039;d be free to donate charitably towards anyone&#039;s dental and medical care you like, because, *gasp*,  it&#039;s your money. I know it&#039;s a shocking idea. For murder, he&#039;d likely be making restitution for the rest of his life, however, so there&#039;s no &quot;after&quot;.</p>
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		<title>By: name(required)</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, 
 
What happened to you? You sound different. I may not have agreed with you, but I enjoyed the  conversation. You sound irratic and unstable now.. Whats going on? Ranting wasn&#039;t your style. Are you alright? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>What happened to you? You sound different. I may not have agreed with you, but I enjoyed the  conversation. You sound irratic and unstable now.. Whats going on? Ranting wasn&#039;t your style. Are you alright?</p>
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		<title>By: ihavehadenough</title>
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		<dc:creator>ihavehadenough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, when one of those freaked out meth heads with rotting teeth and fried nerves kills a passerby because of a paranoid delusion....do you fix his teeth and give him treatment before or after he makes &quot;restitution&quot; to the grieving family </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, when one of those freaked out meth heads with rotting teeth and fried nerves kills a passerby because of a paranoid delusion&#8230;.do you fix his teeth and give him treatment before or after he makes &quot;restitution&quot; to the grieving family</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and here&#039;s a radical, earthshaking thought for all you rabid drug warriors: Maybe if you didn&#039;t outlaw the manufacture of drugs, they wouldn&#039;t be made in enclosed residential areas by teenagers with chemistry sets. Maybe they&#039;d be made the same way aspirin, and other drugs are: In safe industrial environments by professionals. 
 
Looks like those kids are yet more victims of your inhuman drug war, which finances terrorists, gang wars, and cartels everywhere. 
 
The drug war: Because we were too damn stupid to pay attention during alcohol prohibition. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and here&#039;s a radical, earthshaking thought for all you rabid drug warriors: Maybe if you didn&#039;t outlaw the manufacture of drugs, they wouldn&#039;t be made in enclosed residential areas by teenagers with chemistry sets. Maybe they&#039;d be made the same way aspirin, and other drugs are: In safe industrial environments by professionals. </p>
<p>Looks like those kids are yet more victims of your inhuman drug war, which finances terrorists, gang wars, and cartels everywhere. </p>
<p>The drug war: Because we were too damn stupid to pay attention during alcohol prohibition.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, forget meth labs, do you know how many people die because of obesity and heart disease every year? Serving big macs should be a capitol offense -- firing squad style, just like IHave suggests. Everyone should only be able to eat foods of which I approve. I will hire goons to bludgeon or cage anyone who eats an unapproved food, for their own good. People who want their foods approved can hire lobbyists to take me to fancy dinners, or contribute to my reelection campaign. Oh, but the mcchicken is ok, because it&#039;s damn tasty. 
 
Then, there&#039;s those crazy people who drive cars, which kill tens of thousands each year. It would be pure recklessness to go on a joy ride, but I admit that some driving purposes might have a net benefit as determined by me, grand dictator of all decisions, and sole proprietor of good sense. For example, going to see bon jovi? Heck no. Definitely no public good. But, if you&#039;re driving to see Radiohead, well, that does improve public musical awareness, so I might just have to approve that. I guess it all comes down to how many bon jovi brings to my fundraising dinner next month. Oh, and driving to see the fall foliage? Definitely out. Talk a walk you obese mofo, and stop risking my health with your death machine. 
 
Also, there&#039;s alcohol, which leads to far more abuse and injury than all other drugs put together. But then, I like sam adams and scotch, so I guess that can stay legal. Maybe I&#039;ll outlaw vodka. What kind of reprobate drinks vodka? It&#039;s practically flavorless.  
 
Oh, and I&#039;ll be sending my goons around to extract money from you on a semi-annual basis as well. How else do you think I&#039;m going to pay for all this? They can check whether the artwork on your wall contributes to the public good or not, while they&#039;re there. Hint: Cubism causes seizures, I&#039;m pretty sure. Plus the French considered Picasso an enemy of the state. Don&#039;t even try it.   
 
Then, there&#039;s always the facade of your house. We all know that salmon and sky blue contribute nothing to the public good, and cause weakness of intestinal fortitude. Puse, and vermillion, and eggplant will be allowed. The same rules go for clothing. Hats should be fedoras, which suggest taste, which benefits the public good. Baseball caps should never be worn backwards, or contain a yankees logo. I will be coming  up with a full list of approved clothing later. See that you are not caught with unapproved color combinations, or my goons will extract more money from you, or lock you in my cage.  
 
You would have brought it on yourself after all, the rules are plain as day. 
 
Caffeine will be handed out by special request. Drinking it recklessly could lead to insomnia, which harms us all, but then, there are some cases where important tasks must be completed. 
 
A five o&#039;clock jog will be required for all, as we are all forced to cover the cost of health care for unhealthy persons. Short shorts will not be allowed, as they could cause accidents. Take care that you are not ticketed for excessive cheerfulness before 7 am however, as we all know how much that pisses people with hangovers off, and could lead to acts of violence. 
 
Basically, if my goon squad demands money or obedience from you for anything at all, just give it to them. You may think it&#039;s not a law, but I guarantee it&#039;s in there somewhere, or something somewhat like it is. Plus, the goons work for me, and I&#039;m the one interpreting the law. 
 
You may think the goons are being intrusive, or don&#039;t let you keep enough of your money, or spend that money on things you don&#039;t approve of, like &quot;murder&quot;, &quot;assault&quot;, &quot;extortion&quot;, or &quot;kidnapping&quot;, but just remember, it&#039;s for the public good, as defined by me. These things are only immoral when done by lesser mortals, who are incapable of making their own decisions, let alone everyone else&#039;s, as I do. 
 
I do want to hear more about breed thieving, though, Ihave, how exactly does that work? I consider you the resident expert on organized theft here, so perhaps you can fill me in. Do you steal rare shiatsus or somesuch, or do you just mean that you do your best to eradicate the breed of independent, liberty loving, self responsible individuals that originally made this country great? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, forget meth labs, do you know how many people die because of obesity and heart disease every year? Serving big macs should be a capitol offense &#8212; firing squad style, just like IHave suggests. Everyone should only be able to eat foods of which I approve. I will hire goons to bludgeon or cage anyone who eats an unapproved food, for their own good. People who want their foods approved can hire lobbyists to take me to fancy dinners, or contribute to my reelection campaign. Oh, but the mcchicken is ok, because it&#039;s damn tasty. </p>
<p>Then, there&#039;s those crazy people who drive cars, which kill tens of thousands each year. It would be pure recklessness to go on a joy ride, but I admit that some driving purposes might have a net benefit as determined by me, grand dictator of all decisions, and sole proprietor of good sense. For example, going to see bon jovi? Heck no. Definitely no public good. But, if you&#039;re driving to see Radiohead, well, that does improve public musical awareness, so I might just have to approve that. I guess it all comes down to how many bon jovi brings to my fundraising dinner next month. Oh, and driving to see the fall foliage? Definitely out. Talk a walk you obese mofo, and stop risking my health with your death machine. </p>
<p>Also, there&#039;s alcohol, which leads to far more abuse and injury than all other drugs put together. But then, I like sam adams and scotch, so I guess that can stay legal. Maybe I&#039;ll outlaw vodka. What kind of reprobate drinks vodka? It&#039;s practically flavorless.  </p>
<p>Oh, and I&#039;ll be sending my goons around to extract money from you on a semi-annual basis as well. How else do you think I&#039;m going to pay for all this? They can check whether the artwork on your wall contributes to the public good or not, while they&#039;re there. Hint: Cubism causes seizures, I&#039;m pretty sure. Plus the French considered Picasso an enemy of the state. Don&#039;t even try it.   </p>
<p>Then, there&#039;s always the facade of your house. We all know that salmon and sky blue contribute nothing to the public good, and cause weakness of intestinal fortitude. Puse, and vermillion, and eggplant will be allowed. The same rules go for clothing. Hats should be fedoras, which suggest taste, which benefits the public good. Baseball caps should never be worn backwards, or contain a yankees logo. I will be coming  up with a full list of approved clothing later. See that you are not caught with unapproved color combinations, or my goons will extract more money from you, or lock you in my cage.  </p>
<p>You would have brought it on yourself after all, the rules are plain as day. </p>
<p>Caffeine will be handed out by special request. Drinking it recklessly could lead to insomnia, which harms us all, but then, there are some cases where important tasks must be completed. </p>
<p>A five o&#039;clock jog will be required for all, as we are all forced to cover the cost of health care for unhealthy persons. Short shorts will not be allowed, as they could cause accidents. Take care that you are not ticketed for excessive cheerfulness before 7 am however, as we all know how much that pisses people with hangovers off, and could lead to acts of violence. </p>
<p>Basically, if my goon squad demands money or obedience from you for anything at all, just give it to them. You may think it&#039;s not a law, but I guarantee it&#039;s in there somewhere, or something somewhat like it is. Plus, the goons work for me, and I&#039;m the one interpreting the law. </p>
<p>You may think the goons are being intrusive, or don&#039;t let you keep enough of your money, or spend that money on things you don&#039;t approve of, like &quot;murder&quot;, &quot;assault&quot;, &quot;extortion&quot;, or &quot;kidnapping&quot;, but just remember, it&#039;s for the public good, as defined by me. These things are only immoral when done by lesser mortals, who are incapable of making their own decisions, let alone everyone else&#039;s, as I do. </p>
<p>I do want to hear more about breed thieving, though, Ihave, how exactly does that work? I consider you the resident expert on organized theft here, so perhaps you can fill me in. Do you steal rare shiatsus or somesuch, or do you just mean that you do your best to eradicate the breed of independent, liberty loving, self responsible individuals that originally made this country great?</p>
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