Armed Gang Assaults Sam
FreeKeene.com’s blogger Sam attempted to record a trial in Keene, NH. He had previously been allowed into the courtroom, but now all of a sudden the rules had changed and people with guns assaulted him and his camera. This is raw footage of the encounters from my perspective with a Blackberry phone. Watch here at FreeKeene.com for Sam’s video when it’s available.
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53 Comments on Armed Gang Assaults Sam
It is hard not to yell when cops are violating your rights and abusing you. However, it would be a good thing to work on, not yelling that is.
I agree, I know it sucks to be around enforcers of the state, but yelling and using physically confrontational body language seems less preferable than speaking calmly and treating the other person like a human being.
I think if we treated government employees like intelligent, conscious human beings, they would feel more pressure to act properly. It worked for me when I was arrested. I asked civil, deliberate questions to the police officers and listened carefully to their responses, and I think that impacted them more than if I had treated them like bad people.
If a crazy stranger calls you a monster, it’s upsetting. But if you’re closest friend tells you he’s worried about some of your actions, you’re going to strive to prove your moral character.
Mr. Turd. OMG LMAO
I’m not going to criticize Sam for yelling. This is the time I’ve seen him lose his temper, maybe he was having a bad day…
I don’t know. That little old lady probably really does think she is doing some public service. Poor lady just doesn’t realize that she is part of a violent system. I’m sure when she takes off her costume and is just a normal person she is a pleasant person to be around.
IT is difficult to watch people that have ideas which are very close to my own seem so crazy so me. It seems like the only possible way for someone to take this if they didn’t know the ideas of liberty is o write him off as a crazy. I speculate that liberty would likely be more prominent in keene if not for crazies.
I agree with patrick. Yes, what they are doing is outrageous, arbitrary, and absurd, but expressing outrage has little effectiveness in many circumstances. I think asking them reasoned questions in a calm manner could go far.
Deputy “I don’t even know what went on in there!” sure was confident that “He (who?) doesn’t want you in there.”
Who, Grampa Magoo? Or the judge? Since he didn’t know what went on “in there”, how does he know?
Comment by Keith
“It is hard not to yell when cops are violating your rights and abusing you. However, it would be a good thing to work on, not yelling that is.”
Comment by Patrick Shields
“I agree, I know it sucks to be around enforcers of the state, but yelling and using physically confrontational body language seems less preferable than speaking calmly and treating the other person like a human being.”
Comment by Maximus
“It is difficult to watch people that have ideas which are very close to my own seem so crazy so me. It seems like the only possible way for someone to take this if they didn’t know the ideas of liberty is o write him off as a crazy. I speculate that liberty would likely be more prominent in keene if not for crazies.”
I think liberty would be more prominent in Keene if, instead of making comments like these, which only exonerate the thugs and vilify the victims, liberty activists would put in more effort to be supportive of other liberty activists.
I think victims should yell when they are assaulted. Sam was clearly assaulted.
His rights were clearly violated.
You fuckers think your tough? You put your hand on an elderly man. If I see that in person you lose the ability to eat solid foods. You want an assault you’ll get one pussies.
lol, now people like PAL are making stuff up. The freestaters didnt even once put hands on someone. In fact, thats a huge trend of all the freestater videos. Not once do the freestaters act violently. Sure, they may be a bit loud sometimes, even rude, but thats no reason to be violent.
Its amazing the amount of video evidence there is of freestaters being peaceful, while the state is being directly violent to them.
Every one of those assholes was in violation of the Constitution they swore an oath to.
Why were no citizens arrests made here?
Why are there never any consequences for these people beyond being shamed on video?
I get it, they’re criminals. Someone needs to start locking them up.
Mark Edge for sheriff?
LOL some people think the constitution means something and that government employees care about it.
Not able to discern what you mean, thinkliberty, but I assure you I am serious. Those people in the brown costumes were violating the rights of the people with the cameras. They should be arrested and charged with dereliction of duty for violating their oaths to the Constitution, which clearly states that the freedom of the press shall not be infringed.
As some bully once said, ‘Ignorance of the law is no excuse.’
I think the comments make good points I agree with to a great extent. I was rather upset with them.
What the video didn’t show was me going in, setting up the camera, and being told to move over into the corner.
I moved to the corner, only to be told I wasn’t press. I told him I was, he said well where’s your press badge? I asked Meg to run out to the car to get my press badge. She did, we showed it to him, and then he decided we couldn’t film because we didn’t file a motion.
I informed the CSO that the Sentinel hasn’t filed a motion in a very long time. Why is it I have to all of a sudden for a case where the city of Keen is getting sued?
He then started pushing me, hitting my camera, called the sheriffs up, and outside the door is where the video picks up.
We also called KPD, and they refused to uphold state law in Keene if your alleging one of their coworkers is breaking the law. They won’t even respond, and wanted me to contact their attorney general. To protect and serve.
In the lobby the lady was pushing me again and again, I had a 20-lb camera on my shoulder, she backed me up to the top of a flight of stairs, and my feet were right under my shoulders. Another slight push would sent me and my camera backwards down the stairs. That’s when I screamed because they weren’t listening to me, only pushing.
These people know better. I believe lance is their supervisor, and yet they are still pushing people around, closing public property at a whim, locking off public court rooms (to everyone) while court is in session. It’s unacceptable, and they know better.
That said, it was very encouraging to know they watch the videos, and to see them reading their own laws. Meg pointed out to Caleb Dodson, sheriff deputy, that superior court rules require a request, but it doesn’t say a motion or in writing. Caleb didn’t understand this either.
I made a verbal request, when that was denied, I asked for a hearing, that was refused. They do what they want, this is a criminal enterprise, with a good PR game.
Viper, I believe that felons cant be sheriff. Sam and Ian if they believed that a law was being violated should have made a citizens arrest. Why did they not? So Sam was assaulted by a 70 year old baliff half his size…….. Nice
If you don’t stand up for your rights then you will lose them, good job guys.
When they read that court decision about cameras that said they were allowed, why weren’t you allowed in at that point? They sure don’t like answering questions.
BTW, while the point about Jews and Blacks is valid, it’s lost on most people.
@ End Game
“Sam and Ian if they believed that a law was being violated should have made a citizens arrest. ”
You think that would have made a difference? C’mon.
“They do what they want, this is a criminal enterprise, with a good PR game.”
It’s not even a “good” PR game. It falls apart at the slightest logical challenge and quickly they must fall back to the initiation force.
Sam, I admire your passion. It must be difficult to stand up for what you believe is right against these violent thugs, and I largely support you in your stand. What i intended to critique is the incessant rambling as you make your stand.
By all means, martyr yourself, but I am only being honest when I tell you that you sound like a rambling madman, even to me (a very like-minded, rambling madman)
When I hear you spout out the buzz-rhetoric of this Liberty movement, it rings of the same effectiveness as the Christian Fundy guy that stands in the “free-speech zone” speaking passionately to the hell-bound fornicators. Everyone, even Christians, called him a crazy person. And every nonbeliever in the crowd, spoke about how glad they were that they didn’t believe.
This “raving liberty guy” persona that you have going is useful for gaining attention, but “so, is a golfer with an arm growing out of his ass” (-shooter mcgavin).
By all means, shout when molested, but extending that to “educate” these bureaucrats on camera only pisses them off while also making you look silly. Instead make your stand and even shout if you like, but every time you say “rogue man in the robe” and glamorize everything like some tv drama, we see right through it and it sacrifices your actual message.
Stress the message, not the indignation.
I think you guys should hold an open forum for the officers and city to attend. Their understanding of the liberty perspective is so minimal, any of your activism is going instantly over their heads. It is apparent with the questions you ask them, they aren’t even sure of their own beliefs. They simply have been following rules and orders without thinking of the implications for a long time. I think they need to listen to you guys speak about why you are doing what you are doing, and let them ask questions that they don’t understand.
What the video didn’t show was me going in, setting up the camera, and being told to move over into the corner.
I moved to the corner, only to be told I wasn’t press. I told him I was, he said well where’s your press badge? I asked Meg to run out to the car to get my press badge. She did, we showed it to him, and then he decided we couldn’t film because we didn’t file a motion.
I informed the CSO that the Sentinel hasn’t filed a motion in a very long time. Why is it I have to all of a sudden for a case where the city of Keen is getting sued?
He then started pushing me, hitting my camera, called the sheriffs up, and outside the door is where the video picks up.
Yikes, I can see how that would be infuriating. I hope you got some of that on camera.
Stress the message, not the indignation.
Well said. I can understand the idea of acting, and reacting like a free person, and your frustration is natural, but I think to a large degree they frankly don’t understand. The liberty message, however, really is logically airtight, if you know all the b.s. and baloney that statists tend to throw.
Anyone can be indignant — few can reason soundly. A few of those cops seemed to be willing to engage like human beings, and I think a strong case could have been made to them.
Again, this is intended as constructive criticism, to make activism even more effective — you have done and continue to do far more for liberty than I yet have.
I think you guys should hold an open forum for the officers and city to attend. Their understanding of the liberty perspective is so minimal, any of your activism is going instantly over their heads. It is apparent with the questions you ask them, they aren’t even sure of their own beliefs. They simply have been following rules and orders without thinking of the implications for a long time. I think they need to listen to you guys speak about why you are doing what you are doing, and let them ask questions that they don’t understand.
I think that’s a great idea.
Wow Ian, that was really cool! I wish I had your ability to maintain composure like that! Good job (Sam too), keep up the the pressure and the good work FreeStaters!
So, now the Constitution is the proper point of reference and authority in situations like this? Funny, but I remember reading over and over again here that the Constitution was “just words on a piece of paper”. Then again, logical consistency or coherence has never been a strong suit of FreeKeeners; the focus has always been on grabbing whatever superficial argumentative device their limited intellectual probity allows them to believe exists, and then use it as a tool for harassing people. It’s the “Sir, when did you stop beating your wife?” school of discourse. Utterly disingenuous, and obviously motivated by some sort of weird hostility problem.
And you posted this video because you thought it revealed the two of in a positive light? Yes, of course you did. Just like the child who takes perverse pride in soiling himself. You two are absolute gems!!
Amazed,
These people swore an oath to uphold the constitution. The least they could do is to obey it. The Constitution is far from perfect — it originally condoned slavery, and still condones theft (aka taxes), but it would be far better than the arbitrary government we have today.
Their actions are justified neither by fundamental moral principles, or constitutional principles, which they took an oath to. Criticism on either front is valid.
LOL: Members of the public entering a public courtroom is harassment now? Is that meant as a joke?
I know it must be upsetting to you when people video record public employees hurting people and violating people’s rights. I know you believe in the government, so I can forgive you for the intellectually dishonest ad hominems and straw man fallacy.
Maybe someday you will give up your belief in violent statism and let others peacefully coexist with you.
Who’s a coward? Edit the video some more cowards.
Keep up the good work guys, you are making progress in public opinion.
I think the idea of the public forum with an open invite to beauricrats and law inforcement is a really good idea.
You need to get the message and goals out into the open.
All these little demonstrations ARE going over their heads.
PAL, that video is raw. The jumps you see are when the camera wasn’t recording.
I think Sam and Ian are completely justified in their anger .They are being illegally locked out of a public forum . Asking them about swearing an oath is perfect … getting them thinking is the only way to succeed . Why not ask them about the oath keepers ?
I only wish they would quit forgiving these aggressors and persur chages against them . I think Ian had a good case when that EMT snatched his phone . Just my opinion .
I think that sometimes you are overstepping the line between reporting the news,and being the news.File a lawsuit.that is one way to be sure you are inside the courtroom.Acting like this would get you thrown out of almost anywhere.If you want to be considered as professional journalists or media,act professionally.This can only make you look bad.Anyone can claim to be the media with a cellphone.Even I have access to a professional video camera and equipment.Act professional,be professional,and maybe they will take you more serious.Baiting an officer obout his knowledge or lack thereof of the Constitution is not going to make you seem like a real media provider.A second camera that recorded the entire thing without any comment or involvement would go a long way here. —bil
I like this new form of the news.
Without the 2nd person asking question we would not be able to see the level of incompetence and corruption of these public employees.
Bil,
They were prohibited from entering before the video starts, so the content of the video cannot be the reason they were refused entry.
Sam A. Robrin,
Thanks for your suggestion. I think it is a good one. I will continue to support other liberty activists in various ways, including the use of constructive criticism.
When someone holding the public trust, violates the Constitution, they are by default a mercenary for a crime syndicate. These Sheriffs and that judge should be tried by a Jury of their community piers, found guilty and jailed for an appropriate time period to make sure the freedom of the Press lives long!
“It is the duty of the courts to be watchful for the constitutional rights of the citizen, and against any stealthy encroachments thereon.” [Byars v. United States, 237 U.S. 28 (1927)]
“The [Supreme] Court has recognized that the word “willfully” generally connotes a voluntary, intentional violation of a known legal duty.” [Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 290 U.S. 389 (1943)]
“Power of punishment is vested in the legislature, not in the judicial department, it is the legislature, not the court, which is to define a crime, and ordain the punishment.” [United States v. McClain, 545 F.2d 988 (5th Cir. 1977)]
(104) The right of allocution is an ancient right rooted in English common law and cannot be denied. [Green v. United States, 365 U.S. 301 (1961)]
I am an Oath keeper http://www.oathkeepers.org. Thugs like those in brown in Keene are on borrowed time. We The People WILL see justice! I ask the force appliers (I no longer call them Law Enforcement Officers) up in Keene to start today anew and get with the People or go down with the usurpers!
When someone holding the public trust violates the
Constitutionnatural rights of individuals they are by default a mercenary for a crime syndicate.
Voluntary-ized!
I have seen what I think are some ineffective approaches, when some of you guys have encounters with police officers and bureaucrats. Often I feel that you guys have a tendency to “gang” up on individuals. Many people asking questions at the same time, constantly interrupting people who try talk back or make a point. I’m not saying it happens constantly, but I see it inn a lot of videos. Of course many will point out that this is what you deserve when you work for the state. But in my opinion its not the best way to teach others about freedom. It alienates me, and I think a lot of people who are unfamiliar with the message of freedom, more easily can get turned off.
Andreas
Andreas.
Why don’t you make some videos and show us all the right way to confront people that are violating people’s civil rights?
I generally agree with what Andreas is saying. However, no one is in charge, so everyone in those situations will have to be aware of this in the future.
Yes, I think Andreas makes a good point. Ideally, a few people who are well grounded in philosophy and good on their feet could engage dispassionately with police, and others could let the conversation continue without too much interruption.
i agree with andreas 100%
I also agree with andreas. But that didn’t happen here. Our frustrated camera crew (sam @ ian) were clearly outnumbered.
Sure, losing one’s cool during an encounter like that is unfortunate. It’s also extremely easy to say that from the sidelines. Way to stick up for yourselves.
The camera is indeed the new gun…
Sorry “Sam” but you come across as a whiny little bitch in this video. Like you’re the king of the frikking world or something. And you call that “assault”? Are you joking? Because one of them touched you? Are you a three year old girl or something?
You have to keep in mind, if you were to touch one of the cops (for example, a tap on the shoulder or a hug), it would be considered assault. I demand equal protection.
Ian, I marvel at your composure. I was concerned about Sam, but damned if I wouldn’t feel and act the same if they started literally pushing me around as well. I doubt I have the level of self-control to directly confront people like that.
Also, I REALLY hope that camera is insured well.
Fight or Flight? Those criticizing Sam are the latter. Sam, people like YOU will get freedom restored. The rest of you, may your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Sun wrote:
Sorry “Sam” but you come across as a whiny little bitch in this video. Like you’re the king of the frikking world or something.
I didn’t realize that the king of the world is the only person allowed in PUBLIC courtrooms.
And you call that “assault”? Are you joking? Because one of them touched you? Are you a three year old girl or something?
If Sam had done the same to one of the police officers there, he probably would have been charged with assault.
People like SUN, AMAZED, and ENDGAME go right on showing the beast how much they love it, believing that their loyalty is a lucky charm against its depradations. They’ll happily throw family members into its jaws (the daughter raped by a cop, the nephew beaten for smoking marijuana), all the while saying how sad they are, while inwardly patting themselves on the back for their thrice-admirable obedience in deed, word, and thought.
But the fact is, eventually, they’re going to run up against that beast themselves. Maybe the hyper-inflation will eat up that carefully planned retirement and they’ll be out on the street; maybe a bored cop will get a notion to use them for clubbing practice; maybe a computer glitch or chance misstatement will send a SWAT team to their home.
And damn us for the fools we are, when that happens, it’ll be us hated Free Staters who’ll be right there supporting them in their virtually futile struggle for justice.
Just wait and see . . .
OK then.
The deputies and other badge wearing individuals are practicing for the “Nurenburg Defense.” Which is to say the “I was only following orders” defense, as remonstrated in 1946 in Nurenburg.
It would seem that an unknown personality, with a “press pass” that is nonconfrontational would be best. The footage sought would be obtained, and the end would be desirable.
Enjoy the Fall, Folks.
oathkeepers.
Ian, your demeanor and questions were absolutely brilliant. Thank you.
Ian, have you considered asking the cop who claimed you guys are taking things out of context for an on-camera one-on-one discussion with him where you will not edit it? He seems like someone who could have some seeds of free thought planted in his mind in a less confrontational situation.
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