HIPAA Violation? Or Excuse for Control?

November 14, 2009 by
Filed under: Hypocrisy, Police 

When videographers tried to document Kurt Hoffman being taken out of the Keene District Court on a stretcher, they were met with extreme resistance, forced into a side room, and issued threats of being penalized for violating HIPAA.

Not once has anyone been able to show us the text of HIPAA that restricts people from recording patients in public. In fact, you may be surprised to see that in the video below, a videographer in Keene openly records the scene of an accident and the patient, without his consent, and the police don’t even seem to acknowledge it as an issue.

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47 Comments on HIPAA Violation? Or Excuse for Control?

  1. ELKFARTtheTROLLSLAYER on Sat, 14th Nov 2009 2:01 pm

    Invoking HIPAA in this instance is pure bullshit, just as when City Mangler John MacClean invented that “police officers bill of rights”, when Ian confronted him about Ron Leslie’s theft of Ian’s blackberry…NOTE TO RON LESLIE: Dude, that was a really slick “snatch-&-grab”! Congrats! Makes great video. I hope you don’t “get in trouble” for it…YEAH, RIGHT, Huh???…*grin*…SEMPER FIDELIS MORBIDUS!(ever faithful unto death…)/// These people(bureau-craps) will say anything, just because they know they can. Wha’ chu gonna do ’bout it, huh?…You just can’t let this one go, can you, Ian???…You did get your phone back, right???…

  2. Ian on Sat, 14th Nov 2009 2:54 pm

    Nice juxtaposition, Nick.

  3. Chaz Munro on Sat, 14th Nov 2009 2:58 pm

    It would also be great for log-jamming the system we are presumably striving to abolish, to file a lawsuit or 20 against the fools perpetrating the injustices against ordinary people.

    The really good news is that lunacy calling itself the Keene/Cheshire Co. gov’t is so closed knit that it would only take one victory in their courts to make the rest of them straighten up and behave themselves. These jokers are bonded & any threat to their bonds/insurance would have them on the run.

  4. steve on Sun, 15th Nov 2009 10:44 am

    Power hungry egomaniacs. Subject to “ffpenalty”. Rehearse your lies before you spout them.

    The scariest part is these incidents occur more often that most people know because of the lack of journalists and videographers willing to take risks and hold people accountable.

    Great job guys.

  5. ELKFART on Sun, 15th Nov 2009 1:57 pm

    Steve: What do you mean by “ffpenalty”???…please reply. Thanks.

  6. steve on Sun, 15th Nov 2009 7:05 pm

    Listen to what the EMT says.

    “…you are subject to ffpenalty”.

    :-P

  7. War Horseman on Mon, 16th Nov 2009 5:17 am

    Sounds like he was about to reflexively say “fines” but caught himself?
    I have to watch this again, I don’t quite catch what’s happening at the 0:46 mark.

  8. &rnld on Mon, 16th Nov 2009 8:32 am

    I do just want to throw it out there that HIPAA is an important PRIVACY law… one that protects an individual’s right to confidentiality and privacy at a most basic level – their personal health information.

    I understand that you guys want to have your fun at the expense of this EMT, but HIPAA is one of the laws that I would think you would respect and appreciate as it protects the rights of the individual’s privacy. A fundamental right that appears to be a focus of this group/movement.

    Essentially, the law asserts that a patient’s right to privacy is still protected even if they are receiving emergency medical care in a public place. The patient’s right to privacy trumps the public’s right to videotape, gawk, or otherwise rubberneck.

    I might also add that basic common decency and common sense would dictate this as well.

    If you want to film people receiving healthcare in public places because you can’t find the text of the law that states that you cannot, then go ahead, by all means. You are violating the law, and you are also being an asshole. I might also think that a libertarian/voluntaryist group such as this would realize that you are violating the other person’s right to not be filmed or have any part of their health care filmed.

  9. Ian on Mon, 16th Nov 2009 8:40 am

    &RNLD,

    Oops, guess you didn’t know we had explicit permission from the patient to record.

  10. &rnld on Mon, 16th Nov 2009 8:49 am

    Ian, I am aware that Kurt was vocalizing his permission for you to record. I was answering the broader question raised about the text of the law and filming someone who was not giving their consent.

    Do you have the patient’s consent in writing? Because without it in writing, it is no good. Even with the patient on camera, asking to be filmed, it is no good. All he says is “I was under duress and unaware of what I was saying” and your permission is gone. Get it in writing.

  11. Ian on Mon, 16th Nov 2009 8:51 am

    It’s plenty good, especially considering we were in public and knew the patient personally. Even if he changed his mind, he has no expectation of privacy.

    Also, how would you suggest getting that in writing from a man on a stretcher surrounded by EMS? I wasn’t about to interfere with those guys (even though they falsely claim I did).

  12. Paul on Mon, 16th Nov 2009 9:02 am

    Yes, and because Kurt gave his permission verbally, rather than in written form, it means the EMT must harass people and steal cameras. You’re really desperate to excuse abuse of power, aren’t you? It’s obvious from any honest view of the situation that the man got pissed and lashed out in anger, while using a gross misinterpretation of the law as an excuse.

    But then, since he’s part of the protected gang, when he lashes out, everyone in the gang closes ranks and makes B.S. excuses for him. If any of us lashed out angrily and stole the camera of an EMT or cop, it would mean serious jail time for assault. But reverse the roles, and it’s all business as usual. Or, what are those phrases you apologists use to excuse all manner of blatent abuse, including murder and serious injury of innocents?: “by the book”, “according to standard procedures”, “it’s my job”, or, “just following orders”.

  13. &rnld on Mon, 16th Nov 2009 9:09 am

    “Also, how would you suggest getting that in writing from a man on a stretcher surrounded by EMS?”

    It is possible to get it after the fact. I know you hate “forms” but there are forms for that kind of thing.

    And no, there is no verbal consent in this case, because in regards to Hipaa, verbal consent does not exist. Again, I am only speaking in regards to this law, I am not going to go around and around with you that it is “plenty good” or not. In regards to this law, which you can choose to ignore, verbal consent is meaningless.

    What I am asserting is that the patient does have a right and expectation to privacy in all cases, even on the side of a road with rush hour traffic passing by, the patient has a right and expectation to privacy. Obviously, a public area is not as private as the doctors office, but the person receiving care has a right and expectation to have their health information protected. What I said earlier is that HIPAA (among other laws) is designed to protect this.

    HIPAA is one of the few laws that should make sense to a liberty minded person, as one of its fundamental reasons for existence is to protect individual privacy against everything that threatens it, from giant corporations to EMTs to the public.

    Again, I would also say that common decency would dictate that in a medical emergency the camera goes away, especially if you do not know the person.

    I am not interested in joining a merry-go-round discussion about this law. If you want to ignore it, go ahead. I have worked in health-care and know a few things about it. I also happen to think that it is one of the few, actually valuable laws that protects fundamental human rights.

  14. Ian on Mon, 16th Nov 2009 9:17 am

    I’m not obligated to obey HIPAA. I’ll respect the wishes of someone who requests not to be filmed (unless they work as a government agent). In this case, I honored Kurt’s wishes by filming. I have no obligation to fill out their forms.

  15. &rnld on Mon, 16th Nov 2009 9:37 am

    Ian, You are correct, you are under no obligation to comply with the law (or any law) and I respect that. I just happen to have an interest in HIPAA and a patient’s right to privacy.

    I would call this exchange of comments civil.

  16. name(required) on Mon, 16th Nov 2009 10:04 am

    Ian,

    Everyone has had a run in with some insecure cop who feels the need to bully or exert their will on a stranger. I think you can find common ground there with just about everyone. Your idiotic obsession With Keenes Parametics, however, is certainly your most toxic and shortsighted of ineffectual crusades.
    My guess is that you probably haven’t been present at many real accident scenes, let alone been in charge of one. How many dead children have you dragged out of a burning car? How many people a year died while you were performing CPR in an attempt to save them? Thin red line? what a spoiled little clown you are.

    No one understands what any of you are doing shouting and filming in the streets. Why would you expect the rescue team who was sent to help your friend (Meryl Streep) understand. You were making a high stress situation even more intense. I went through 1st responder training. The primary focus is to make an accident scene safe for victim and rescuers. By the way the victim does not dictate what makes the scene safe the rescuer does.

    Little Ian the terrible gets his toy taken away. He stomps, shouts, cries and like most children, gets his toy back. Can’t let it go though can you Ian?

    If you wanted to alienate yourself further than you already have this is the express train. In Keene and in the surrounding towns just about everyone has been directly or indirectly helped by these people. My mother and father were pulled from burning wreckage while my mother was still carrying me. Forgive me if I dont pick up the pitchfork and torch and charge the fire department with you.

    This is a very stupid thing to try to be divisive on Ian. This is clearly personal for you, despite your “forgiveness”. One of you will need this man. He will show up and help you, despite your horrible little tempers and misguided resentments.

  17. Ian on Mon, 16th Nov 2009 10:11 am

    What obsession? We simply filmed these people doing their jobs and did not interfere in any way. (Why would we? I wanted my friend Kurt to get help!) I thought EMTs were helpful people and still do. One of them lost his cool.

    We interviewed the city manager about employees stealing. Sam and Meg turned that into a video.

    Nick made a video comparing the govt EMT crew to the private EMT crew.

    If you call that obsession, you need to check your definitions. That’s just follow-up.

  18. Paul on Mon, 16th Nov 2009 11:42 am

    “Make the accident safe”?! And that requires going around snatching cameras from people who are quietly filming. Ian was safe, but his camera just might have jumped out and attacked Kurt. Brilliant. The mental gymnastics you sycophants go through is astounding.

    Oh, and fantastic idea that if your job is useful, that gives you an excuse to have outbursts of anger and violence against people. Tell you what, why don’t I give it a shot: next time I feel angry, I’ll just haul off and punch someone, or snatch something from them. Then, in front of the judge, I’ll explain how what I do for a living is very useful, and both he and the victim might need it someday, so he should stop criticizing me. I bet it will go over just great, and all charges will be dropped.

    Oh wait, no it wouldn’t, because I’m not a member of your gang, and I don’t have an army of brainwashed bureaucrats and bootlickers ready to make @#$#@ up if I have an angry outburst.

  19. nick on Mon, 16th Nov 2009 11:55 am

    &rnld,

    You are right, I think patient privacy in the confines of their care with their private doctor is extremely important.

    But, I cannot find the text of HIPAA that forbids pictures or video being taken in public. Did you even watch the video? Because it points out two similar situations that were handled very differently by “the law” and the EMTs. Please explain why the Sentinel didn’t violate HIPAA, but you feel that Sam did.

    Also, I understand that verbal consent “doesn’t exist” under HIPAA, but if the man we’re friends with is yelling “I want this on camera!”, the public perception (which is what so many people counter FreeKeene activism with) is going to be that he gave consent. And you’d be okay with what happened if we go now and get “consent after the fact” like you suggested?

    I know I’ve asked a lot in this comment. Thanks for the time.

  20. Max the Communist on Mon, 16th Nov 2009 12:27 pm

    http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/administrative/privacyrule/adminsimpregtext.pdf

    just so we’re all on the same page

  21. CJS on Mon, 16th Nov 2009 6:09 pm

    @ NAME(REQUIRED)

    Do you understand the EMT committed a crime by “snatching” some one personal property ? If Ian was the one snatching a phone he would have been cuffed and jailed in a heart beat. So go ahead and keep making excuses for those entrusted with “authority” , I hope your property gets stolen next … oh wait .. your in that special protected class of public employee’s I bet .. you and your family get the special dispensation of digression by the cops .

    HIPPA being interpreted to include the media in the open public is incorrect . There was a case in Illinois a few years back where the police tried to keep a photog from documenting a bad accident .. and they were wrong. I will see if I can find info on it and repost.

    ON THE JOB ON THE RECORD . The common man needs to document bad behavior of public officials for when it comes down to your word against mine in court … your word being ” more equal ” than mine in the courts eyes.

  22. END GAME on Mon, 16th Nov 2009 10:03 pm

    The comparision video is once again smoke and mirrors…Phil Bantz was more than likely quite a distance away, not yelling and screaming. Sam and your gang well need I say more. More than likely no one even noticed Mr Bantz filming. The video in question was taken after a man rammed his vehicle into a passenger bus, in an attempt to kill himself. Your goverment EMT’s/Firemen we busy putting out a bus fire, and helping those left on the highway. Why do you not realize that your gang escalated a situation uneccesarily by harrasing these EMT’s, regardless of there knowledge of the particulars of the HIPPA laws or not. Bottom line, if Mr. Bantz was seen, there is no doubt he would have been asked to refrain from filming the guy on the stretcher….did you guys even notice the off duty keene fireman…..working for free?

  23. HECAITOU on Mon, 16th Nov 2009 11:08 pm

    OK, ENDGAME, &RNLD, & NAME(REQUIRED), I’m calling *ALL* of your asses out, right here & now. If you can prove me wrong, I will gladly apologize here. Max the Commie has posted the whole HIPAA text above. ANY OF YOU CITE WHICH SPECIFIC HIPAA SECTION FORBIDS FILMING IN PUBLIC???…Yes?….NO?…I’m WAITING!…..I’d rather you not be full of crap, but I think you are. C’mon! Where in HIPAA does it say Ian can’t film in Public???…/////….*HOW* *would* I *would* know *would* that *would* be, *would* you, FRED???……don’t deny the truth, kiddo…/////…HIPAA deals with *PERSONAL HEALTH CARE DATA & MEDICAL RECORDS! Um, OK, guys, which section of HIPAA forbids filming???…Well, *I* couldn’t find it. Maybe you BRAINWASHED GENE-YUSSES can!….OH! Wanna *DARE ME* to list *ALL* the HIPAA sections which the Keene Police Persecutors’ office blatantly violated in my case? &Yes, “Dr. Peter Olsson wrote me a script 15 years ago. He’s one of my prescribing physicians. Certainly *HE* wouldn’t talk about my PROTECTED HEALTHCARE DATA, would he? Your blatantly UNCONSTITUIONAL so-called “Mental Health Court”???…OOOH, *THEY’D* protect my info, right?…Really, I just have to laugh at you motherfuckers. There’s so many laws, you guys can’t help but break a few at least once in a while. Have you ever done a comprehensive “conflict of laws” survey on NH RSA’s???…If your laws are so benefiCIAl, why do they need *ARMED ENFORCEMENT by VIOLENCE*???….yawn…c’mon, kool thang, which HIPAA section…….

  24. HECAITOU on Mon, 16th Nov 2009 11:19 pm

    You’re such a fucking tool, END GAME. I didn’t recognize “Phil Bantz” as a Slantinel toady…So you’re saying *NONE* of DiLuzio’s EMT, or KeeneFire, *noticed* Bantz filming ???….Um, you saying he had a *TELEPHOTO* lens on his video camera???…Yes, the guy rammed a bus. This was about the exact same time that a female state trooper was spraying bullets at his truck!…and, wasn’t the guy partly wigged out on *legitimate Rx’s*???…More bullshit, and some poor, innocen bus driver gets critically injured. One reason I like the FreeKeeneStaters so much is they produce less collateral damage than STATISTS do!

  25. HECAITOU on Tue, 17th Nov 2009 1:24 pm

    Taps for you, ENDGAME. As for your post #85198, above, there’s more, so thanks for opening your mouth so wide for your foot. In the bus crash vid, what do we see? EMT’s, cops, fire,etc, are all working, focused, quietly doing their jobs. Very professional, very efficient. Doing their *JOBS*…Now, in the court w/Kurt, what do we see? Sheriffs/cops, running around like drunken ants, confusion, shouting, god only knows what’s really going on. Why? *BECAUSE * they are serving as the lackeys for *INCOMPETENT*, *CORRUPT*, MEAN-SPIRITED, fascist(*FASCIST*) STATISTS, which is NOT THEIR JOB. So, in reality, Ian & the Freestaters/Keeners have provided a valuable training opportunity for the EMT’s, etc. Where else can you get that level of confusion and all those people???…. Taking Kurt out that day was a lot like how things are at, say, Pumpkin Fest… Now, because of Ian, & Freekeeners/Staters, we have just that much better trained EMT’s…*BUT*, are the Emt’s/Sherriffs, and people of Keene *GRATEFUL*???…*NO!…we have fuckheads like ENDGAME still posting snarky BS…Reality, kiddos, is the Freekeeners/freestaters are better at what they do, than KPD & Sheriffs & Court Staff are at what *THEY* do!!!….Smoke & Mirrors, my ass. I think maybe you’re lost wandering in a wilderness of mirrors, & just don’t realize it…/////….(*…i support the imminent Military Coup…*…)…semper fi, america, semper fi… /////….sam: just google hecaitou yourself, ok?…

  26. End Game on Tue, 17th Nov 2009 6:36 pm

    HECAITOU,

    why are you so hateful

  27. theKINGofKEENE on Tue, 17th Nov 2009 11:13 pm

    END GAME writes: …”why are you so hateful”…..///…guess that means you’re admitting defeat, END GAME!….YOU LOSE! Wanna try *ROUND 2*???….(…I support the imminent military coup…)…

  28. END GAME on Wed, 18th Nov 2009 8:03 am

    so every time Ian asks why I or someone else is so hateful he admits defeat…..What say you KooK. Rest assured that I would never admit defeat to the likes of you

  29. Paul on Wed, 18th Nov 2009 11:01 am

    Eg, whenever you feel you can take a break from defending thuggish behavior, I’d appreciate a response here: http://freekeene.com/2009/11/07/join-us-for-social-sundays-now-3pm-at-mccues/#comments

  30. onederbred on Wed, 18th Nov 2009 1:18 pm

    HIPPA laws have nothing to do with patient privacy when it comes to treatment. It has nothing to do with your identity while receiving treatment. HIPPA is about medical records and keeping them private; except when they need to be shared with other physicians, then they can be shared without patient consent. Below is a brief overview of what HIPPA covers and who must abide by these rules. I find it amusing that it says most Govt. agencies don’t have to follow these rules… but when do they ever follow their own rules?

    http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understanding/consumers/index.html

    What if someone just stood outside a hospital and filmed people walking in and out of the emergency room? Would that violate HIPPA. Are we going to get to a point where everyone is going to have to wear a shroud over their faces to completely protect privacy?

  31. END GAME on Wed, 18th Nov 2009 3:53 pm

    Paul, I highly doubt that with ever happen, my liberty loving friend….I could not sit in the same room with Ian and/or Sam and listen to their oral diarrhea

  32. Paul on Wed, 18th Nov 2009 4:24 pm

    No, I meant a response to my post in that thread ;) .

    I’d go grab lunch with you once I get to Keene though, one on one. If I were you I wouldn’t exactly want to be that outnumbered either.

  33. End Game on Wed, 18th Nov 2009 6:53 pm

    @ Paul

    I do believe that laws that are deemed immoral for some such be enforced until they are changed through the political process that we as a nation utilize. If one deems a law immoral and chooses to disregard it, he should accept the consequence of their decision. With this acceptance they should take the punishment on their feet, and work to change it though a due process.

    I am a firm believer in majority rule, that is what drives a society. The alley scenario is a question of morals, it is an obvious catch 22 on my part.Raping someone in the alley is not necessary for societal function, that is unless it is to continue human existance through force…which to me is still morally wrong. If you take the property scenario in which the minority owner controls the water for the other three, and doesnt want to work in the collective intrests of the others than I believe the farmers land should be siezed.

    We may have to settle for an E-Lunch, as I enjoy the cybermask the internet provides.

  34. steve on Wed, 18th Nov 2009 7:24 pm

    Endgame,

    majority rule = mob rule
    Why we live in a republic and not a democracy…
    Milton Friedman puts it well…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMb_72hgkJk

  35. Paul on Wed, 18th Nov 2009 7:28 pm

    So, say you helped a slave along the underground railroad. Are you saying you would then turn yourself in?

    What if you were a policeman in those days, and an slave came shivering to your door. Would you help them along their way, or send them back to their “master”, likely to be shot, because it was the law?

    What if you were a police officer, and knew of someone who was helping slaves escape along the underground railroad. Would you stop them, or arrest them?

    If you want my view, I think that no man should ever do what he knows to be evil, or refrain from doing what he knows to be good, simply because it is the law.

    You say you are a “firm believer” in majority rule, but you seem to recognize that evil actions are still evil, even if the majority approves of them — as in the example of the alley, and the farmers, which it appears you have implied you do find immoral (right?).

    Even in your alternative scenario with the water, you are not saying that taking the water becomes moral because the majority approves, you are saying that it is moral in and of itself, perhaps because it is a matter of life and death, or because my neighbor did not legitimately own it anyway.

    If my second neighbor truly owned the water source, legitimately, but my first neighbor were on the point of death for lack of water, and there were no alternatives, I probably would steal the water, help my first neighbor, and then work to pay restitution to the second — which I certainly would owe.

    Such a scenario is extremely unlikely, of course, and there is also a question of how the second neighbor would have come to be in complete control of the water supply for the area, which certainly would not happen by homesteading.

    In any case, can we at least agree on this: Immoral acts do not become moral simply because the majority approves of them? That is, if an act is immoral for any individual, it does not magically become moral if those individuals join together in the deed, or simply because they outnumber their victim(s)?

  36. theKINGofKEENE on Wed, 18th Nov 2009 8:40 pm

    On Wednesday, November 18, 2009, @ 8:03 am, END(lesslylame)GA-ME-gashit wrote:—->”so every time Ian asks why I or someone else is so hateful he admits defeat…..What say you KooK. Rest assured that I would never admit defeat to the likes of you”//->……—->Never fighting means never being defeated. Never being defeated means never winning. *THAT* is where you delude and deceive your self, my little grasshopper END GAME…So, I guess, yes, I do agree with you, END GAME. You would never admit defeat to the likes of me, either. At least, I don’t think you would, would you???…

  37. theKINGofKEENE on Wed, 18th Nov 2009 8:49 pm

    END GAME, why don’t you just admit that you were posting shit comming out your ass, and that, no, HIPAA doesn’t deal at all with “filming persons receiving medical treatment”or whatever, …as you were trying to claim…&ANSWER THE QUESTION: Granted that you state you believe in “MAJORITY RULE”…do you believe in *MINORITY RIGHTS*, or do you prefer the old *TYRANNY OF THE MAJORITY*…???…If I can’t really even begin to hate, say, Eliezer “Eli” Rivera for attacking and caging Kurt, then turning around & playing *POLICE*PERSECUTOR*,…why should i hate anything, or anybody???…C’mon???…

  38. End Game on Wed, 18th Nov 2009 10:32 pm

    While I would advocte sensless violence KooK I would probably enjoy squaring of with you. The EMT’s interpertation of HIPPA was wrong….unless the patient requested his privacy it, which it seems he didnt. Until we meet on the street then

  39. Jasper on Thu, 19th Nov 2009 8:49 am

    Thou shalt not talk shit on the internet.

    “Until we meet on the street, then.” and “I would probably enjoy squaring of with you.”

    Educated discourse.

  40. END GAME on Thu, 19th Nov 2009 10:52 am

    Jasper

    sure, as long as it goes both ways, you interpertation should be. “Statists shall not talk shit on the internet, but for us its OK”. Double Standard using MFr

  41. Let's move on..... on Thu, 19th Nov 2009 11:58 am

    I have now done some research after listening to quite a barage of opinion and very few facts.

    The key HIPAA regulations that affect EMS providers such as those videotaped that day are the “Privacy Rule” which became effective in April of 2003. Certain information is referred to as “protected health information” or “PHI”. PHI can be a wide range of things such as the individuals past medical history, information on current medications they are taking, or even social security numbers. The goal of the Privacy Rule is to keep all PHI confidential and safe from wrongful use and disclosure. As EMT’s began to treat the hurt man, his responses to their questions were PHI. Instead it appears as though this videotaping was an attempt for his responses to become documented testimony for alleged wrongdoing from Eli and the robed man.

    With numerous methods to distribute media today including facebook, twitter, youtube, and even this website, hundreds of people have access to video like the one recorded that day. Who is to say that someone won’t act maliciously with recorded information?

    The key here is I believe the EMT acted in the best interests of the patient. That is their job. That is their professionalism some speak didn’t occur. Was a camera taken? It sure was, but not without warning. What occured that day was between the person hurt and those trying to take care of him. I think those that continue to bantar about this event have lost sight on their goals.

    Let those that are employed to truly serve the public go free. I lost interest in this topic a long time ago. Let’s move on……

  42. theKINGofKEENE on Thu, 19th Nov 2009 10:29 pm

    Comment by End Game

    November 18, 2009 @ 10:32 pm

    “While I would advocte sensless violence KooK I would probably enjoy squaring of with you. The EMT’s interpertation of HIPPA was wrong….unless the patient requested his privacy it, which it seems he didnt. Until we meet on the street then”

    Am I the only person on here who is wondering how close this comes to actually being a legitimate threat? Should I be concerned from my safety from this “END GAME” guy? Does anybody know him? The obvious desire for violence on “enough’s” part seems to also indicate a paranoid/psychotic personality structure such as one expects to see on Viet Nam vets suffering from undiagnosed, & thus, untreated PTSD…These are the kinds of wingnuts one frequently reads about in the paper, shooting up a few folks somewhere, then suiciding out…Sad…

  43. Endgame on Sun, 22nd Nov 2009 11:54 am

    Close KooK, but not actual…..

  44. Paul on Sun, 22nd Nov 2009 2:18 pm

    Let’s:

    Kurt was the patient, and only he has a right to decide what’s in his best interest. He wanted to be recorded. The EMT lashed out in anger — and went after Ian’s camera, who he hadn’t even been speaking with.

    Then, people like you come up with B.S. excuses. If anyone else lashes out in anger and attacks someone or their property, they’re thrown in jail, but if it’s a government employee, there’s an army of bootlickers like yourself who will move heaven and earth to excuse even the most outrageous behavior. Tazering a kid, disabled person in a wheelchair, or immobile injured person? “Why, it’s by the book.” Throwing elderly people in a cage for buying orchids without begging a bureaucrats permission? “Gotta enforce the law.” Busting into innocent people’s apartments, swat style, shooting their dogs and sometimes them? “An honest mistake. The investigation found no wrongdoing.”

    Yeah, there’s no way that this guy got pissed about being filmed in public (filming which people absolutely have a right to do), and snatched an innocent bystander’s camera — no, he was acting in the “best interests” of the patient. Why, God forbid, if he hadn’t angrily lashed out and snatched Ian’s camera (while ignoring Sam’s), the patient might have been recorded, as he had specifically requested. What an angel that EMT was, only thinking about others.

    The degree of delusion is sickening.

  45. Paul on Sun, 22nd Nov 2009 2:20 pm

    Oh, and endgame, when you get a chance, I’d appreciate an answer to my questions above.

  46. smeg on Sun, 22nd Nov 2009 3:11 pm

    i just want people here advocating that HIPPA protects someone’s rights to know that nothing could be further from the truth. my mother has worked with the HIPPA laws in her career since it’s inception, and she explained how much damaged this ‘patient protection’ has resulted in.

    for starters, it was not created to protect anyone… it was created by a US senator who’s wife had plastic surgery, and was embarrassed when the news media reported on it. no other reason. and it has resulted in millions of cases of family members/friends/and other loved ones being unable to assist or support their loved ones in their time of need.

    as an example, my grandfather has cancer. he is very old, and has become a bit simple minded and hard of hearing over the years. he does not know what to do to take care of himself, and for the first time in my life, i have seen this wonderful superhero of mine become very VERY scared. but i can’t just go in and help him, or call up his doctors and discuss the best options for treatment… because of HIPPA. instead, grandpa has to fill out mounds of paperwork that HE DOESN’T UNDERSTAND before i can assist him in this. and i need to do that. i mean, when this whole thing started, it was several weeks before i could speak with the doctors about his options, only to find out they had been pressuring him into getting a Veri-Chip implant to track him “in case something ever happened”. had he not finally gotten through that paperwork to allow me to assist him, he may have done it.

    i would never let anyone implant a tracking device into my gramps. and the “protection” provided by HIPPA almost made it happen. mine is not a rare story.

  47. Mike on Mon, 18th Jan 2010 5:08 am

    HIPAA had brought a new revolution in the healthcare sector and had made significant improvement especially in mishandling of vital healthcare information of individual patient, but still due to lack of proper HIPAA training, there are incidences of losing or disclosing the patient information from doctor, nurse or from any concern person. The HIPAA training will helps to better understand the implications of HIPAA legislation and identify critical compliance requirements. It helps to better understand HIPAA’s Administrative Simplification Act as well as how to create a framework for initiating and working towards a blueprint for HIPAA Privacy compliance and understand HIPAA Security Rules And Regulations. The HIPAA Training will give you advanced competency in designing, implementing, and administering comprehensive privacy protection programs in all types of healthcare organizations.

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