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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Green Keene&#8221; City Bureaucrats Insist on Paper Records</title>
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		<title>By: bil</title>
		<link>http://freekeene.com/2009/11/27/green-keene-city-bureaucrats-insist-on-paper-records/comment-page-1/#comment-85505</link>
		<dc:creator>bil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am surprised that a group that professes to decry the use of their &#039;stolen&#039;money being used to support government doesn&#039;t mind the same &#039;stolen&#039; money being wasted by a city employee using time to put this on a format that can be done by the person asking for it.Make up your minds-some of the &#039;stolen&#039; money is mine,too!   ---bil </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised that a group that professes to decry the use of their &#039;stolen&#039;money being used to support government doesn&#039;t mind the same &#039;stolen&#039; money being wasted by a city employee using time to put this on a format that can be done by the person asking for it.Make up your minds-some of the &#039;stolen&#039; money is mine,too!   &#8212;bil</p>
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		<title>By: Tumbleweed</title>
		<link>http://freekeene.com/2009/11/27/green-keene-city-bureaucrats-insist-on-paper-records/comment-page-1/#comment-85457</link>
		<dc:creator>Tumbleweed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like they just didn&#039;t want the records online for activists to get a hold of but barring a refusal to supply the records, the next best angle was to make the medium the records came on into a deterent in itself. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like they just didn&#039;t want the records online for activists to get a hold of but barring a refusal to supply the records, the next best angle was to make the medium the records came on into a deterent in itself.</p>
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		<title>By: theKINGofKEENE</title>
		<link>http://freekeene.com/2009/11/27/green-keene-city-bureaucrats-insist-on-paper-records/comment-page-1/#comment-85404</link>
		<dc:creator>theKINGofKEENE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 12:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.AWRIGHT!...Which one o&#039; youse clowns is impersonating IHAVEHADENOUGH???...Did they up your meds, dude? You sound almost decent there...*AND* is ANYBODY* gonna comment on the OTHER HALF of Nolen&#039;s suit???...Everything on Dave Ridleys&#039; arrest???...What&#039;s up w/that???.... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.AWRIGHT!&#8230;Which one o&#039; youse clowns is impersonating IHAVEHADENOUGH???&#8230;Did they up your meds, dude? You sound almost decent there&#8230;*AND* is ANYBODY* gonna comment on the OTHER HALF of Nolen&#039;s suit???&#8230;Everything on Dave Ridleys&#039; arrest???&#8230;What&#039;s up w/that???&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: ihavehadenough</title>
		<link>http://freekeene.com/2009/11/27/green-keene-city-bureaucrats-insist-on-paper-records/comment-page-1/#comment-85399</link>
		<dc:creator>ihavehadenough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian...its not the use of the trees that cause environemntal problems with paper making...its the water intense processing and the bleaching and energy to dry and transport that is damaging.  
Plus I was just commenting on the environemntal issue already raised by throwing out the Green word and working off of Thinkliberty&#039;s post.  Dont be so fucking quick to jump all over people there Ian! 
 
Of course the possibility exists that their system is so outdated that there may not be a way to compile electronically across departments. That was a fact in several similiar sized towns/cities in upstate NY where I did some IT work after Y2K. The payrools were done and submitted seperatly by each department and other than maybe a list of names little was actually in a consolidated database. They also had an issue with exporting a file in a basic format that could be useful. Everything that came out was a left registered fixed field file in ASCII. Anyone who knows what that means knows that there a lot of useless characters say zeros or * to act as place fillers. An electronic file was doable but the value in any other system was minimal. Almost as much needed to be done to stroke the file for import as would be needed to just key it in. I would not be surprised if Keene was that bad of also. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian&#8230;its not the use of the trees that cause environemntal problems with paper making&#8230;its the water intense processing and the bleaching and energy to dry and transport that is damaging. </p>
<p>Plus I was just commenting on the environemntal issue already raised by throwing out the Green word and working off of Thinkliberty&#039;s post.  Dont be so fucking quick to jump all over people there Ian!</p>
<p>Of course the possibility exists that their system is so outdated that there may not be a way to compile electronically across departments. That was a fact in several similiar sized towns/cities in upstate NY where I did some IT work after Y2K. The payrools were done and submitted seperatly by each department and other than maybe a list of names little was actually in a consolidated database. They also had an issue with exporting a file in a basic format that could be useful. Everything that came out was a left registered fixed field file in ASCII. Anyone who knows what that means knows that there a lot of useless characters say zeros or * to act as place fillers. An electronic file was doable but the value in any other system was minimal. Almost as much needed to be done to stroke the file for import as would be needed to just key it in. I would not be surprised if Keene was that bad of also.</p>
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		<title>By: bil</title>
		<link>http://freekeene.com/2009/11/27/green-keene-city-bureaucrats-insist-on-paper-records/comment-page-1/#comment-85398</link>
		<dc:creator>bil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The city records should be provided in whatever format the requester asks.Spanish,for example,or maybe Braille.It would provide jobs for more people,especially minoritys.Papyrus or Sanskrit,anyone???   ---bil </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The city records should be provided in whatever format the requester asks.Spanish,for example,or maybe Braille.It would provide jobs for more people,especially minoritys.Papyrus or Sanskrit,anyone???   &#8212;bil</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://freekeene.com/2009/11/27/green-keene-city-bureaucrats-insist-on-paper-records/comment-page-1/#comment-85397</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read it again &quot;ihavehadenough&quot;; it&#039;s NOT an environmental issue.  I&#039;m just pointing out that the city people are hypocrites. 
 
There&#039;s no shortage of paper.  When you use it, they just plant more trees.  No problem. 
 
I&#039;m just saying that the city claims one thing, and does another. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read it again &quot;ihavehadenough&quot;; it&#039;s NOT an environmental issue.  I&#039;m just pointing out that the city people are hypocrites.</p>
<p>There&#039;s no shortage of paper.  When you use it, they just plant more trees.  No problem.</p>
<p>I&#039;m just saying that the city claims one thing, and does another.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Ihave, it&#039;s a shame that the monopoly court is so inefficient, and bureaucratic. In fact, it&#039;s a shame that the Keene bureaucrats didn&#039;t simply give him electronic records as he requested in the first place, instead of forcing the court case. 
 
But then, I guess they&#039;ll do anything to kick sand in the eyes of anyone trying to get some accountability, or transparency. Why, we impertinent serfs should just shut up and obey. Who are we to question them? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Ihave, it&#039;s a shame that the monopoly court is so inefficient, and bureaucratic. In fact, it&#039;s a shame that the Keene bureaucrats didn&#039;t simply give him electronic records as he requested in the first place, instead of forcing the court case.</p>
<p>But then, I guess they&#039;ll do anything to kick sand in the eyes of anyone trying to get some accountability, or transparency. Why, we impertinent serfs should just shut up and obey. Who are we to question them?</p>
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		<title>By: ihavehadenough</title>
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		<dc:creator>ihavehadenough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this was an environmental issue then where is the concern about the hundreds of pages of documents probably generated by the court process during this ordeal. Not to mention all the peripheral stuff like driving to and from hearings.... 
Why not just take the paper data and find a volunteer or better yet hire a person who could use the money to key it in. 40 pages is nothing! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this was an environmental issue then where is the concern about the hundreds of pages of documents probably generated by the court process during this ordeal. Not to mention all the peripheral stuff like driving to and from hearings&#8230;.</p>
<p>Why not just take the paper data and find a volunteer or better yet hire a person who could use the money to key it in. 40 pages is nothing!</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He wanted to avoid having to do that stuff, and if he&#039;d won it would have meant any future records requests could have been digital.  I think he&#039;ll be appealing this. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He wanted to avoid having to do that stuff, and if he&#039;d won it would have meant any future records requests could have been digital.  I think he&#039;ll be appealing this.</p>
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		<title>By: jzacker</title>
		<link>http://freekeene.com/2009/11/27/green-keene-city-bureaucrats-insist-on-paper-records/comment-page-1/#comment-85393</link>
		<dc:creator>jzacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the cost of going to court, Nolen could have hired someone to transcribe the records into a computer.  Or he could have bought some text-scanning software to digitize the information. 
 
But overall it did seem like an interesting case. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the cost of going to court, Nolen could have hired someone to transcribe the records into a computer.  Or he could have bought some text-scanning software to digitize the information.</p>
<p>But overall it did seem like an interesting case.</p>
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