Integrity in a Threatening Situation
Brewbaker’s owner James Callaway aka “the cup guy”, has called me out for having “zero integrity” for revealing a detail of a conversation with him I had agreed to keep private. (I did this in the comments here, number 104.) Here’s the voicemail James left me this morning where he calls me out and makes a vague threat against “you guys”, (presumably Sam and I, or perhaps all liberty activists) “You guys really like to play games, and unfortunately you’re gonna learn. Goodbye.”
One of the fundamental tenets I live by is to honor my agreements, so why would I reveal a conversation I’d agreed to keep private?
Before I answer, I’d like to give you a little more detail. This weekend, I received a message from James via facebook:
I just had an interesting talk with the Keene PD. You may want to talk to me privately. Send me a phone number where I can reach you.
I gave him my number and a little while later he calls from an undisclosed phone number. He asked that I keep our conversation private, and I agreed. I also agreed with him that Sam was out of line in how he behaved and that James should receive a new cup to replace the one Sam damaged. James insisted he was assaulted and was very careful to say in one breath that he didn’t want to see Sam go to jail, while in another breath talking about how he believes Sam would go to jail for a year if he was arrested and that he has a full year in which to file charges against Sam. His “suggestion” (he denies it was a demand) was that Sam work 50 hours at the local battered women’s shelter in addition to his earlier and more reasonable demand that his cup be replaced. He wanted me to pass this info along to Sam and play mediator, and as much as I didn’t relish that role, I agreed as I wanted to help the two of them come to an amicable agreement. Despite James’ veiled threat against Sam, I felt I should keep the conversation private in the hopes that an agreement between the two could be reached.
By the time I talked to Sam about this he had already had time to reflect, with the help of attending the local Quaker meeting, on his previous refusal to replace the cup. He had changed his mind and was willing to replace the cup for James complete with writing the phrase “FREE KEENE FROM THE FREE STATERS”, as per James’ original request. He wrote to James and expressed his willingness to provide this restitution and requested a sit-down with James where the restitution could be made and a conversation could be had. Here is the message I sent back to James from Sam:
I have been discussing this with friends and at the Quaker meeting this morning. I would be happy to replace the cup that was damaged … I’ll even rewrite the message he wrote on the cup, provided we can meet to discuss the situation. Again, this can be private or public, on camera or off.
If the meeting is without cameras, I will require a witness to accompany me, and this person can be agreed upon in advance. Let me know if this works, and of course James can contact me directly at contact at obscuredtruth.com.
This was James’ reply, sent directly to Sam:
Sam, you really don’t seem to get it, do you. The Keene Police are chomping at the bit to lock you up for a year. And they would laugh till they piss their pants if it is for something as minor as this. But make no mistake, the assault occurred when you got in my face. I don’t think you are in a position to set conditions on an apology. If I were you, I would admit guilt, apologize and offer something to show you are serious. I suggested 50 hours community service working at a battered women’s shelter. That would go a long way to show sincerity. But you decide. I have a year in which I can file charges. If you want to have a short conversation about this instead of email, send me a number where you can be reached.
James
You can clearly see what James is up to. He is not interested in building bridges via a private conversation with Sam or even accepting the original restitution that he himself suggested. He’s interested in having Sam do what he wants, or else.
Having given James the opportunity to remedy this outside of public view, and considering the threats he is making, it is clear his request for privacy was to cover for his tacking on an additional demand (I mean, “suggestion”) and his threatening of Sam. His image as merely the annoying cup guy would be tarnished further if people knew about his shenanigans going on behind the scenes.
The irony is that in his voicemail to me he accuses us of being the ones playing games! Sam apologized, but James wasn’t happy with the apology as Sam did make an excuse at the time for crushing the cup. That’s understandable on James’ part as Sam didn’t own up completely. However Sam reconsidered and agreed to make restitution if a conversation could be had. James refused, because he wanted Sam to do all that he’d “suggested”. I think it’s clear who is playing the games here. James was the one fooling around and interfering in Sam’s interview, tacking on increasingly absurd demands (first it was replacing the cup with the words on it, then it was having Sam write the words in front of James, and then the 50 hours), making veiled threats, and being unwilling to sit down and talk when presented with a reasonable restitution offer.
I honor my agreements, but only with those who act honorably. James Callaway is not one of those people.
So, should I have protected James’ threats and kept them private or did I do the right thing by revealing his true nature? Please post your thoughts.
Comments
145 Comments on Integrity in a Threatening Situation
Briefly, veiled threats of coercement sound a bit like extortion to me. Being from Michigan, I am unsure of NH law, but I would venture a guess that extortion in NH is a felony and may involve, egads the Feds!
Genius has limits so I’ve heard but stupidity is boundless
I don’t think that “smeg & sam’s” posts should have been taken down, but, they both wanted it, so I’m ok w/it. As for Mr. Callaway, Ian, I think we all deserve to know what’s going on. TELL IT ALL. Sure, some, >SOME< KPD are drooling for "freekeeners", but not all…This whole episode is stupid. Stupid. That's all it is. Just a pissing contest. Nobody ever wins a pissing contest. Both contestants just get wet. And it drags EVERYBODY down, citizens & "free-whatevers" alike…But, TELL IT ALL…Mr. Callaway, your "expectation of privacy" may not be what you think, on this site, anyway!…TELL IT ALL, Ian!…that's what I think…can't wait!…this must be what bored housewives go through watching their soap-operas……………………
In brief:
This James guy is an asshole who is using the big stick of the state to threaten Sam into doing whatever retarded nonsense he thinks is appropriate.
Sam got himself into this mess by being a hothead, and the rumors of a personal conflict that swirled around the forums did further damage to his reputation, leaving many to wonder if Sam deserved their defense or if he ‘had it coming.
I think I had this pegged in the other retarded thread. Sam screwed up by acting out aggressively, and James has decided to be a total asshole and demand ridiculous restitution for the loss of A PAPER CUP.
It just reinforces the need to keep dealings peaceful whenever possible. At this point in human history the liberty movement is very much in the minority, and exploitation of every mistake made by liberty activists will be a major strategy of ardent statists and of irritable cranks.
You made this bed, Sam. now you either lie in it or leap out.
James, you are a jerk, and the kind who would have his ridiculous demands shot down in a fair arbitration, which you will not attend or abide by. You want to use the guns of the state to make Sam do what YOU think is right, and will brook no compromise. I find that detestible.
Ian .. did you just violate NH wiretapping laws by airing a phone call?
Not that I claim to know their laws, but that was a voicemail, which means he knew he was being recorded when he left it.
What expectation could the caller have that the message service was not tied to a loud speaker or an internet feed?
That’s why victimless ‘law’ doesn’t work. No way to make a claim for damages or even to assert what the damages were, because there is no victim.
CJS, I’m sure your comment was tongue in cheek, but I felt like i should point that out just because
Ian,
Sam agreed to replace the cup *only* if James would have a conversation with him. Since when is a person who is guilty of damaging someone’s property allowed to place conditions on how and when they will replace it? Sam should replace the cup regardless of whether or not James chooses to have a conversation with him.
James was approached by the police, not the other way around. If he was only truly interested in getting back at Sam, he would have contacted the police first to see what could be done. His suggestions (you keep saying they are demands, yet have no proof of such) are truly ways that James feels would give him the confidence he needs to not feel like Sam should be in jail for his actions, both past and present. If he feels Sam is really making an effort to show others that he knows what he is done is wrong, then why is there a need for him to go to jail? However, if he doesn’t think his actions in the past have been wrong, and James thinks they were, then he has every right to have him put in jail if he wants.
You *are* playing games. How is it helpful to the situation *at all* to reveal this information which James specifically asked that you keep private, rather than working it out on your own? This is a situation between James, Sam, and to some extent yourself and the police. No one else has any control over what happens.
By blatantly disregarding James’ request, you have shown him that you are untrustworthy. By contacting you in private, rather than letting the whole world know when the police contacted him, or even immediately filing charges, it was clear that James was trying to resolve the issue by not getting people involved who didn’t need to get involved.
The problem with James is that he WANTS ATTENTION and he is JELOUS of the ATTENTION the “free staters” have.
Sam didnt break the law….
.I would cut off all comunication with that bozo and block him from the free state website …
thats my humble 2 cents
peace
Holy, it’s called negotiation. Sam wanted to meet and talk with James when replacing the cup. It was an entirely reasonable request.
James is not interested in resolving the issue, otherwise he’d have met Sam in person like a grown-up.
Instead he stomped his feet and again issued his threat. “I hold the card that could put Sam in jail for a year”
He’s attempting to leverage Sam and is unwilling to resolve things in an adult manner. That’s why he’s skulking about with the cloak-and-dagger crap. He doesn’t want to be seen for being a threatening anti-social person.
Had he not been threatening, his conversation would have remained private.
David,
The police contacted James, not the other way around. Sam assaulted James when he approached him in a threatening manner. The police informed James that this breached the terms of his parole, and, were James to file charges, Sam would be sent to jail for at least a year.
James could have easily filed charges then and there. Instead, he decided to contact Ian and Sam and let them know about the situation. He assumed his conversations would be private because he explicitly asked for them to be so, and Ian agreed. However, Ian has now ignored those requests completely.
In my opinion, this blog post will probably only give James more of a reason to file charges.
I’m thinking same as what William Lowry mentioned above. I know you (Ian) and Sam probably do not want to involve the ‘authorities’ but you should at least stop fooling yourselves that this guy wants a civil solution. (Sounds like you may have realized it now).
Holy,
James has either lied about talking to the police or has misunderstood what they told him, or they misinformed him. Sam is not on parole or a suspended sentence.
Ian,
Whether or not the request was reasonable doesn’t matter. Sam has an obligation to replace the cup *regardless* of how many reasonable requests he makes that James refuses.
Saying that he ‘holds the card that could put Sam in jail for a year’ isn’t a threat, it’s a reality. Maybe he could have phrased it to sound less threatening, sure, but it is still a reality that Sam needs to think about very carefully.
When you agreed to keep the conversation private, did you say ‘only if you don’t do anything which I perceive as threatening’? I doubt it. So regardless, posting this blog was a dishonest act on your part.
Ian,
Well then the police are somehow severely misinformed. James did not lie about his conversation. I’m sure there are some police officers willing to talk to you about the situation.
Perhaps you should have done that before making this public.
I know one thing if Sam winds up in jail because of this stupidity with James i will never go in james’ coffee shop again EVER and will advise others the same
James is a petty little whiner
Holy – Who exactly in the Keene Police Department approached James, and when did this happen?
People who make threats don’t deserve to have their agreements honored.
This James guy just needs ignored. He’ll go away if you stop giving him the drama he wants.
I agree with David. This guy James is a publicity hound. Keep talking and he’ll keep making demands. I don’t know that he has a case against Sam since he instigated the original confrontation. I would recommend to cease communications with this guy and let the cookies crumble as they will. But this is a decision only for Sam as he will have to suffer the consequences of this decision. But James is an unsatisfiable antagonist who will continue with his games. The less attention he gets, the better. It must be rather embarrassing for his family.
The United States government is bombing the shit out of women and children overseas while debasing the currency here at home and James can’t think of anything better to get bent out of shape over? Grow up, dude.
Sam,
I have no idea. Why are you asking me this, and not James?
If James’ information was incorrect (aka, filing charges could not put you in jail) then why do you care? Why not just ignore him? Why make a big public deal out of this?
canoli quit being a busy body instigator………
heres a idea canoli …..mind your own beezwax
“People who make threats don’t deserve to have their agreements honored.”
Again, I don’t see how any of what James did was particularly threatening. He decided to give you information and *not* let other people get involved. If he had wanted to be threatening, why wouldn’t he have gone online and said “Sam, I have information from the police that could put you in jail, you better do what I say or else you be gone for a year.”
Just because you *perceive* his actions as threatening, doesn’t mean they are. He is giving you suggestions of things which would truly restore his faith in Sam. Whether or not Sam does them, he still has the right to file charges.
Also, you didn’t answer my question: why does Sam feel he doesn’t have to replace the cup unless James has a conversation with him?
David,
If I wanted to be an instigator *I* would have been the one who made this information public.
Holy,
I don’t know if that’s how Sam feels. Maybe he’d have been willing to replace it without the conversation, but James just jumped right back to his original “suggestions”. I’ll leave that to Sam to clarify.
James is smart to not directly threaten, but it seemed pretty clear to me. One doesn’t need to explicitly threaten to be threatening.
canoli take the cup and stick it where the sun dont shine
Maybe Sam thinks that he would like to finish the conversation that James started. James, after all, did step right in front of Sam’s camera. That seems to indicate a desire to interact.
He wanted to interact when he had the cup, now that he has no cup, no interaction?
Maybe Sam just wants to hear what the guy had to say before he lost his temper, and to make a proper apology without all the public hubbub like we have here now.
Why is this so contentious?
FYI :IM NOT A FREE STATER (YET)…PEACE 
Hey David,
I understand it can be frustrating at times. Please remain civil. While some of us may not agree with Holy, she is making an effort to communicate her disagreements with us.
What’s the point of replacing the cup if Jame’s hostility and anger remains?
Holy – I did ask James, and he did not answer. If someone in the police department was “chomping at the bit to lock you up for a year”, wouldn’t you want to know who?
Man that math problem was a bitch…
Anyway whitebeard can suck one. I hope everyone starts selling coffee in the square. Dont offer this loser an apology.
I bet his coffee sucks anyway.
My offer to replace his cup stands. I’d like to meet and talk with him when he is ready to have a calm and rational conversation.
OK IM SORRY..you are 100% right …
ok
i didnt know canoli was a she……… but anyway
yes that “stick it” was out of order….sorry about that
I was wrong to say that
I apologize
Um, Sam, the point is, it was his cup and you wrecked it. Give the man a new cup, then he won’t have anything to bitch about, and if he does, it will basically HAVE to be even more petty than the cup (if that’s possible)
Give the douchebag his cup
I think Sam should just replace the cup and be done with it.
It’s time to just forget about this guy and move on. It is all drama. Is there something about a voluntary peaceful society that he disagrees with or does he just like to run around like a jackass causing trouble? It seems clear that he doesn’t want to be a man and discuss any differences they may have face to face or come to a resolution. He wants to threaten people in cause drama.
@ Lpviper My comment was not tongue in cheek , it was a serious question. The powers that be will eventually use something like this to put an activist away for as long as they can . I will say that while I think Ian posting a voice mail was very poor form in the least I do not believe that anyone should ever be caged for a victimless crime .
I am not a troll … I support the idea of liberty in our time and most of what what the activists in Keene are doing and have / do support some people there financially .. I have stopped supporting the way they go about it . I believe that (from what I have seen on the vids produced by themselves ) that they are acting in childish and hostile ways and this thing between Sam and the coffee cup guy is a perfect example of that . Sam got a taste of his own medicine . If an activist was charged by some one as Sam did the outcry would have been deafening , but with the shoe on the other foot and many defending Sam it looks so very hypocritical.
What is going on right now is hurting the things you are trying to accomplish , you will never see your ideals come to fruition with out the wide spread support of the townspeople in general and you just are not winning them over .
I have a strong feeling that those who started the facebook group and are going to try and “defend” Keene’s reputation would have been people who probably would have sided with the movement but are now pissed at the Chalking of that statue or what was done during pumpkin fest last year etc etc.
Thank you for your candid response. I will say that I haven’t exactly leaped to Sam’s defense here.
Being civilly disobedient draws attention to one that could end up being very negative. That’s kind of the nature of the beast.
With that said, I hear on FTL Denis Goddard slamming the City Council Drinking Game, which is the least the supercilious and sanctimonious jerks who call themselves ‘leaders’ can expect, in my view.
Then on FTL I hear Lew Rockwell, the chairman and founder of the Mises Institue, wholeheartedly endorse Keeniacs and their disobedience.
To me, Denis is looking like a stick in the mud, and I very much respect Lew Rockwell. His support of Keene disobedience gives it a national supporter that it previously lacked.
And then, CJ, your problem of public perception for Keeniacs could end up being a problem for those who wish to be sticks in the mud, instead.
Nobody said this would be a cake walk
I think we can build a coalition between freedom advocates who want to choose civil disobedience and other activism wisely and constructively, in a way appeals to average folks, and the average folks themselves, who also want activism to be chosen more wisely.
I hope those who hate all freedom activism, or those freedom activists who don’t care about the wants/needs of average folks, will reform or be marginalized.
Yes, civil disobedience will likely create a few enemies, simply because it is civil disobedience. But, this should be minimized, by choosing not to behave in ways that disrupt or impinge upon the lives of average folks.
If civil disobedience draws a line, good civil disobedience puts most people on the side of the activist — rather than most people opposed.
CJS – Sorry, Your mistaken. I’ve had people get in my face like that on several occasions at the school. I have not struck anyone with a sign or other object during an activism event. I’ve never crossed that line of unwanted physical contact as James did.
I contributed to the escalation of events by standing so close to James. I feel he crossed the line by striking me with the cup. I had a natural reaction to pull it away.After that, James decided to follow me back to my camera where he struck the camera with his cup. I once again stopped him by grabbing his arm, and pulling it away from the camera.
I haven’t seen activists go up and attack people or their things as James did. I don’t think that’s a fair comparison.
Christ on a crutch, Sam, replace the damn cup and put it to bed. I want to see the next drinking game.
The activists can wear James ‘cup guy’ masks, even. Wouldn’t that be hilarious? And all the bottles can say, Free Keene from Free Loaders!
I got a million of em
I watched the video and to me sam is not guilty of anything.James is the asshole who escalated the situation.James is a little man with a serious case of littlemans disease.It seems to me that James touched sam first,that gave sam the right to break james arm if he wanted to.James is a pussy dont give in to that bullshit.
I just watched the video again. Sam didn’t commit an assault. That’s preposterous. There’s no way the guy would have felt he was in danger of imminent violence (or whatever the legal standard is).
Coffee dude should STFU & get a life. If he presses charges over that nothing incident, Sam should file charges against him for hitting him in the face with the cup. Looked deliberate, at least from the angle in the Youtube.
Yes, and for 10 cents you could give baby his ba-ba and be done with it.
I don’t believe “struck” is appropriate here. Perhaps “tapped.”
The action was childish but it shouldn’t be misrepresented. To overplay or appear to overplay the severity of the event will almost certainly cast a negative light.
Modesty is probably the best tactic for those who perform acts of civil disobedience or associate with those who do.
It seems to me that James touched sam first,that gave sam the right to break james arm if he wanted to.
Statutorily (and in my opinion morally) that kind of response to the small amount of force James used would be wholly inappropriate.
If someone walks up to you and shoves you… it is not legal or moral carte blanche to blast their head off with a 12 gauge.
The action was childish but it shouldn’t be misrepresented. To overplay or appear to overplay the severity of the event will almost certainly cast a negative light.
Right on, man.
I would avoid and ignore this James fellow. starting like now
peace
and sorry again canoli I know you were trying to work things out and i had foot in mouth disease
Evening, Brad. Where’s my French Porn/Armpit Hair blog?
It’s needed badly here right now
I am glad the kaiser only invaded Belgium for a ‘scrap of paper’, if it was dealing with you all about a damned paper cup, I can only imagine what might have happened. Sam, just give him the cup, so James can let it go. Both sides and the middle will all look bad soon. This is just a small sample of how society will change. Wait for the big stuff. —bil
I think his irrational behavior should be made public. It’s probably not the first or last time he has acted like this. Other people should be warned about this threatening behavior.
James is a provocateur and from the threats made, it makes me think he hopes to use the legal system as a weapon, against people he does not like.
People need to be careful around someone like James, that seeks to “play” people like a “fiddle”
The Quaker meeting seemed to help Sam, maybe it can help James too, if James decides to get help.
Seriously, get a cup and drop it off to this guy and never talk to him again. The whole situation is extremely miniscule in scope and should not have dragged on. All he cares to do is antagonize a nothing situation. Time to move on!
“Statutorily (and in my opinion morally) that kind of response to the small amount of force James used would be wholly inappropriate.
If someone walks up to you and shoves you… it is not legal or moral carte blanche to blast their head off with a 12 gauge.”
I hear you brad but assault is assault.As far as i know there is only simple assault and assault and battery as defined by the courts.I have had quit a few run ins with the little men with their littlemans disease,im afraid to say that it wont end just by giving sissy boy james his cup.If you cold cocked him right then and there sam it would of ended right then and there.Yes breaking james arm would of been taking it to the extreme,how about if james ended up missing a few teeth lol.you didnt escalate a thing sam,james was the instigator,james chose to escalate things by following you when you tried to walk away.
Sam should be James butler for a year.
LOL. ‘Your cup, siiir?’
Ian, I agree that the second James threatened the use of violence (in this case government thugs) to aid in his vengeance against Sam your agreement to keep this matter quiet was void.
I am utterly disgusted that James is choosing to act this way. This really speaks up for how he regards his fellow human beings.
2 men, 1 cup. Gross!
I feel Ian was wrong to divulge something he said he wouldn’t. Unless James threatened Sam with death or other imminent bodily harm, in which case Ian should have notified the police of such a serious threat, he should have kept his mouth closed.
IMO we now have two Free Keene “leaders” who are not to be trusted. And again, I understand FK folks state they do not have any leaders.
IMO because of the the high visibility of Sam and Ian they should be considered leaders and held to a much higher standard of conduct as an example to others.
LMAO.. People seriously? There was no assault. The guy touched Sam with a cup. Sam pushed it a way and attempted to walk away and the guy followed him and taunted him. I’m glad you guys can debate the situation with such intellectual fervor, but not everything deserves a debate. Nothing happened. Two grown men got into an argument. One of them had his paper cup dented, which if you watch the tape he does himself the first time. What kind of man whines about a paper coffee cup, especially, when he instigated the situation?
James, where I’m from, you’d be called sissy. You don’t even deserve to be called a bitch because it’d probably make you cry. I like how you are trying to make him admit “guilt”. Sounds like you might be working with the fuzz rather than just trying to make Sam replace your cup.
Holy, get a grip. The guy is whining about a paper cup. The fact that he would threaten to put a man away for any amount of time because he ruined his paper cup is laughable. The fact that anyone is taking this seriously is pitiful. The fact that James felt it necessary to inform anyone, not even man enough to inform Sam to his face, that he has the “power” or “holds the cards” was threat enough. You think the mafia threatens people outright?
Sam, don’t give the guy a cup. Give him the $.01 the cup costs and tell him to kiss your ass. He deserved to get a smack in the mouth for being a douche and instead his disposable cup was crushed. Fucking heart breaking…
Ian, probably not the best move, putting ‘private info into the ‘public’, but extortion-blackmail can only exist in the shadows.
Free Staters, start a coffee shop and put this cry baby out of business.
@Sam
I am not mistaken , the video is conclusive . You charged coffee cup guy .. you lost your temper and reacted very poorly. I never said coffee cup guy was acting reasonably but you escalated the situation and IMO are at fault. What he did to you is no different than your using a bullhorn IMO ,as the only way to stop the interference is to move yourself away from the antagonistic behavior of another.
I have nothing against you Sam and in fact have been a fan since the first vid of yours i saw … the one whee you are challenging a judge in Texas IIRC
I am not going to drag this on here , for all the possible opponents of FreeKeene to see and ultimately use against those in the movement . I will go and hang out in the chat room with in 30 minutes of this post and if you or any one else wants to debate / discuss join me. I would love to have an opportunity to talk with anyone there .
I hope cup guy does try to take this to court. That would be lulzy.
Someone should make a shirt with his face that says “CUP GUY WANTS HIS CUP BACK”.
u r mistaken cjs
maybe sam should ,now stay with me on this one::firing squad
I know it sounds harsh but we are talkin about a paper cup here
and it WAS Jameses
Around 6PM, or so, this evening, near “City Hall”, I saw Sam & CoffeeCupGuy chatting. They seemed to be dealing well with each other. Maybe the kids are all right, after all…(jee-zus fucking h. christ on a popsickle stick, I SURE HOPE THIS PETTY BULLSHIT GOES AWAY SOON!…I want some more topless protests…Or maybe, maybe, maybe, SOMETHING REAL???…whatever/
(After watching more video of the cup incident, it is clear that coffeecup was trying to provoke Sam. Standard tactic. Provoke a response. They tried that tactic on me, too. Lame. Sorry you took the bait, Sam.)And yes, it was right for Ian to let us know about coffeecups’ behind-the-scenes drama. Listen to the tape. Sounds like coffeecup WAS making threats…Sorry, no secrecy for threats…So, who’s signed up for a shot at what’s left of City Councilor Randy Filiaults’ term???… <—yes, TRYing to change the subject!………………..whatever/
Sam did nothing wrong. James was the aggressor and has proven himself to be a psychotic statist. This whole thing smells of a set up. On principle and for safety reasons all Free Staters should boycott his store.
The ironic thing is, James and the police are just demonstrating the evil of statists that Sam, et. al. is trying to oppose. Imagine wanting to cage a human being for a year (or even a minute!) over a paper cup!!! James is insane, literally.
BTW, on a side note, why has James selected a Battered Women’s Shelter? Most societies are sexist (anti-male) and offer no services for battered men, who do exist.
No foul thar. Neither one of them thar is Mex, Jew, or A-rab Moslim (dem folks wich wan ther churk in NewyoRk man hattun). White folks over here work thangs out fer theresells. Mebee yall s should tri it.
I visited Keene as a potential place to move over July 4th weekend. I bought a pack of smokes down the street and then grabbed a cup of coffee at that guy’s place. I now regret that move. I will not, however, regret my move to NH. Thanks for the extra boost I needed, Mr. Callaway!
When “Brewbakers” goes out of business, that’ll be an excellent storefront for my soup kitchen, asshole.
I honor my agreements, but only with those who act honorably.
Never have I seen a more purely subjective statement be made under the guise of fact.
How do you decide what constitutes acting “honorably”? Isn’t that 100% your opinion, and your opinion only?
So let me get this straight. The conditions James placed on it are threats, while the conditions Sam placed on it are negotiations? You guys sound just like the US government: when the enemy attacks first it’s terrorism, but when we attack first it’s a pre-emptive strike.
Ignore the guy; move on. This is nothing.
I feel like the Free Keene blog was not the correct place to be unloading all of this gossip.
Disregarding whatever other criticisms I may have of Free Keene, it just seems very drama-ish, and not very Free Keene-ish.
It is a mistake for ian and mark to be talking about this on the radio AFTER Sam JUST GOT THROUGH saying that ….. he and James sort of ironed things out …
they shook hands and now you guys are talking about it again
ITS A MISTAKE TO BE BRINGING IT UP AGAIN AFTER THE SHOOK HANDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
James, you are a fucking lunatic. The fact that you would threaten someone over something so utterly asinine speaks volumes.
I will never buy anything from your coffee shop again and I will strongly advise everyone I know to do likewise.
David,
Apparently, while they shook hands, James threatened same with a civil lawsuit.
OH ………..
Ian,
I think you should let Sam speak for himself.
Regardless of what they spoke about, they had a conversation tonight, correct? So is Sam going to replace the cup as he said he would if they spoke, or is he going to put another condition on his list?
As someone pointed out earlier, you call James’ suggestions ‘threats’ yet you call Sam’s ‘suggestions.’
*Sam* is the one who damaged someone else’s property, he is in no position to be making ‘suggestions’ until he has replaced that property.
James was given information by the police. He told you that information in confidence–remember, he had no responsibility to inform you of what he heard–and you explicitly ignored his requests to keep it private. Do you think that’s going to make him more sympathetic to you or Sam’s suggestions?
^^Brilliant way of putting it and nice user name too haha. I would just like to say if you couldn’t figure it out, I know James quite well. He was in no way posing threats, just “suggestions” and I would think you should be able to take that he did it in slight humor with a grain of salt seeing as “suggestions” are the entire basis of your whole movement.
The movement is not based on suggestions of lawsuits (or criminal suits)
I more meant that it is based on suggestions of things to change, is it not?
Stop negotiating with this james guy, he isn’t interested iin discussion, he wants to rid keene of the freedom activitists, and he would probably turn to violence to do so.
Scott,
A. I believe that he more wants to rid Keene of a few of the tactics currently being used.
B. He wants to do it using only some the very same tactics he is trying to get rid of.
While this may seem counter productive, he is only doing it in a mocking way that will show the activists in question how they are affecting long-time residents of this community who may or may not have agreed with their ideas originally. And that would be in a negative manner.
CANOLI, YOU ARE MISGUIDED : THE PERSON YOU ARE ROOTING FOR (JAMES)
WAS A JERK and STARTED TROUBLE ;IF YOU WANTED TO BE ON THE SIDE OF RIGHT YOU WOULD BE ON THE SIDE OF SAM .
AND THAT IS THE UNBIASED TRUTH . YOUR POSITION IS THE WRONG POSITION iF ANYTHING YOUR JERK FRIEND SHOUDL BE THE ONE ON THE DEFENCIVE
and Sam should DEFANATLY NOT be on the defencive ; the only reason he IS is because he is a better man than your moron friend
The only thing i can derive from your defense of this “James” moron is that you are a jerk too.
sam is on the side of right , STOP DEFENDING THE BEHAVIOR OF A IDIOT.
and quit this GARBAGE about “property”
cant you see how absurd and daffy you look calling a used cup “property”
GET A CLUE …….
David,
What defines a better man? I don’t believe either party involved acted as perfectly as some people are saying but from my understanding and research Sam was the aggressor. For that James deserves a complete apology and one free of conditions. If, after the apology the two would like to get together to try and sort out a few differences that is up to them.
Also, isn’t calling a cup property like calling a little girl taking your sign down assault…?
“Sam broke the law”
“I hold … the cards” to shove him in a cage
now “you’re gonna learn”
Doesn’t sound like we are gonna learn anything we didn’t already know or suspected, does it?
Holy,
Had Sam threatened James, I’d call it threatening. Here’s proof: When Sam got in James’ face, I’d say that was threatening.
I’m fair with what I consider threatening, and James was clearly doing it. Had Sam threatened James in response, he’d have needed to allude to bringing force to bear on James, as James did to Sam. So far he has apologized and offered restitution and avoided any form of escalation post the day in question. Only James is bringing up the possibility of filing charges.
BTW, Sam said he’d get in touch about how James would prefer delivery of the replacement cup.
I agree that Sam should answer for himself. He was here tonight showing me the video from the event I couldn’t attend because the men with guns would put me in a cage if they catch me out of my house after 6pm. 
Looks like a productive conversation was had!
James-Hole-Canole: “Sam do some things that would assure him that he is someone who doesn’t necessarily need to spend some time in jail.”
Translation: Bend over bitch, your ass is mine for the WHOLE YEAR !
Outsider,
No. That is just a crude statement because you couldn’t think of a more intelligent way to voice your opinions or get people angry. Those things seem to be interchangeable with you…
Ian,
Saying that you can recognize one form of threatening behavior, doesn’t automatically ‘prove’ that anything you say is threatening is therefor threatening.
If you wanted to truly avoid ‘any form of escalation’ then there is absolutely no reason why you should have made this blog post. ‘Letting people know what kind of a person James is’ isn’t your responsibility, nor is it ‘deescelating’ anything.
I’m glad Sam has finally realized that if he damages something that belongs to someone, he is to be held accountable for it.
And I agree, productive conversation was certainly had tonight. Definitely a step in the right direction.
Outsider,
I am not James, and I think several people will vouch for that fact. Just because there appear to be more than one person who does not side with you does not automatically mean that it is actually one person trying to make him or herself look like he/she has more support.
Clearly the only way to settle this is a duel. Single shot revolver, 20 paces apart. Sam Vs. Cupguy. It will be known as the great Battle of the Cup.
lol
Chase,
Oh boy…just one more weird news item Keene needs.
I can see the headlines now:
Thousands of pumpkins on fire not enough excitement for one small town: residents resort to duels
Holy,
I’d like to think I’d recognize any form of threatening behavior. Sam and James have engaged in two different types.
Threatening (dictionary.com) adj.
1. tending or intended to menace: threatening gestures.
2. causing alarm, as by being imminent; ominous; sinister: threatening clouds.
When Sam got in James’ face that was threatening and when James alluded to being able to put Sam in jail for a year (regardless of whether it is true – the point is James wanted Sam to believe it was), that was also threatening.
The former is physically direct threatening, and the latter is using the violent monopoly system to threaten.
About deescalation, you make a good point. Clearly my post was not intended to deescalate, and while it could be argued that it was escalation, it was my intention to simply inform. I apologize if it was taken as escalation. I don’t easily break my word, but I could not keep quiet about what James said to me. The readers here deserve to know that James chose to be threatening to Sam rather than accepting of his mea culpa and offer of restitution. Had I kept quiet, people would not have know about Sam’s offer and why James refused it.
Despite what he says after-the-fact, James did intend to threaten Sam as his email reply to Sam and his voicemail to me double-prove. Did you listen to it? James is projecting when he accuses us of playing games. Sam has been moving toward resolving the situation, while James refused to even recognize that and is engaging in shenanigans and skullduggery.
Both men have threatened each other, but only one has apologized for it. (James’ apology was for the cup foolishness, not threatening criminal charges or a civil lawsuit.)
Anyway, I know you are a different person and hope you understand that any jackass can come comment on this blog. The only people who matter here are the ones conversing in a respectful manner.
“Had I kept quiet, people would not have know about Sam’s offer and why James refused it.”
So?
“Despite what he says after-the-fact, James did intend to threaten Sam as his email reply to Sam and his voicemail to me double-prove. Did you listen to it? James is projecting when he accuses us of playing games. Sam has been moving toward resolving the situation, while James refused to even recognize that and is engaging in shenanigans and skullduggery.”
I will say it again: so? I still don’t understand why you feel it is your responsibility to inform the world of the goings-on between these two men.
“Anyway, I know you are a different person and hope you understand that any jackass can come comment on this blog. The only people who matter here are the ones conversing in a respectful manner.”
I disagree, I think everyone’s opinions who converse here matter.
Well done , James.
If I lived in Keene, I would Brew up some gourmet coffee and espresso, then give it away near this guy’s coffee shop. Serve it in cups that say Free Coffee from Free Keene. Then Free Keene could prevent James from doing his job, like he prevented Sam.
And maybe have someone other than Dennis call in to promote his Political Machinations on FTL.
Free Keene Is GAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ian,
Since you asked for opinions … I’d say that while the threat by James to run to the KPD warrants breaking your privacy agreement by informing Sam, I’m not sure it warranted making the discussion public. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Nonetheless, it gives further insight into James’ character. But I don’t think a revelation here was needed for that. The previous thread where James started picking nits over name-spelling apologies was enough. And he’s getting bent out of shape over what appears to be a STYROFOAM CUP. This is ridiculous. James doesn’t have anything better to do, so stop taking him seriously. At this point, you’re just feeding his fetish for petty amusement. He’s getting far more attention than this situation deserves … I’ll bet it’s the most press he’s gotten in his life. No doubt someday when his obituary appears in the local paper, his soul will beam with pride as his major life-accomplishment is listed as “standing up to Sam in the styrofoam cup incident”.
Sam didn’t use good judgement in allowing himself to be provoked, but it’s admirable that he has the guts to pull in his ego, apologize, and offer to replace the cup & write the words. So tell Sam to go to the shop and drop off the stupid cup already. Free Keene is accomplishing some great things, but this silly drama is a pointless distraction.
Free Keene Is Gay: Apparently you have lack of knowledge of what the BIG word you use, “gay”.
Google or wikipedia and find the meaning.
You Dolt!
Holy, as Ian mentioned, “Sam is not on parole or a suspended sentence,”.
It’s Ian that is under curfew. 6PM till 6 AM.
Kid behaving badly.
I hate to say this, but I have the feelings that everyone involved here is acting like little children.
This complete issue probably arose from James being fed up with the civil disobedience thing that “all” them free-keeners do.
I see his cup being the same as the brown bottles for an example. At the time it sounds like a good idea, after all, we are never wrong, are we?
Then when it all comes down to it, like said on todays show “time to get a ruler”. There are sometimes two rights but, they equal a wrong when both think they are in the right.
Does this even make sense?
Just lock them in a room together till they kiss and make-up.
This soap opera is so bad it makes Family Matters look decent in comparison. The cast is complete trash, full of bad actors, every single line sounds fake and the storyline is not believable. I mean paper cups, really? My dog could come up with something better than that. My advice: Fire the writers, the crew and the whole cast and start over from scratch, because this is just horrible.
In a 100% Honest and Open Free Society, would James have taunted Sam like that? (w/out tthe protection of our Masters violent monopoly of Monkeys?). I think not.
Unless he wanted to get his head beat in; then I’d say yes. Because in a totally Free Honest Society, you deal DIRECTLY with the People you’re screwing with and anything goes w/ everyone being responsible for their actions.
Envy, Jealously, Hatred of Freedom and the love of Power and Violence over peaceful people who disagree – are what steer the Cup Guy. Now we wants Sam to kiss his Ass because he’s in Power when this “Adult” acted like a “CHILD” and initiated taunting. All I can say is: Got Dishonesty and Cowardice?
But the realtiy is, we ARE NOT FREE and we have to deal and live with a very DISHONEST and Corrupt System. For example, in a totally Free Society, MOST of what the our GOVERNMENT does now would be CRIMINAL.
So with that said, I’d say give the Clown 2 Cups (what a deal, 2 for 1!), and this action will fix the damages and then we can get back to real deal; spreading Honesty and stop wasting Time with wannbe Tyrants.
Again, would “The Cup Guy” have done this in a Totally Free, Honest and Open Society?
I think not (unless he was looking to pick a fight.).
So, Ian, Mr. integrity, why is it you didn’t publish the correspondence I had with Sam about this so called threat? He and I exchanged emails at least 2 hours before you decided to publish this. You know full well that I was in no way threatening or putting a condition on anything. I was trying to give Sam a way to save face. You are a total liar, who, it seems will do anything to spin the truth. Sorry to bore your readers with this, but in the spirit of full disclosure, here it is:
On Aug 25, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Sam wrote:
Hi James,
Who at KPD are you talking to about this? I will not admit criminal liability where none exists, and
I resent the implication that you would implicitly threaten me by suggesting community service and filing charges in the same breath.
I apologized for aggressively walking up to you. I clearly could have acted in a more peaceful manner. The offer stands to redo the cup tht was damaged when you hit me in the face with it. If you would like to set up a time and place to do that, please let me know.
Sam
On August 25, 2010 2:21:04 PM EDT, James wrote:
Sam,
I do not need to reveal any names at the KPD. They spoke to me on a purely informational basis, and no confidential matters were discussed. There was never any threat, either implied or real, or a condition that you do anything or I will file charges. If that is the way it came across to you, then I did not communicate it well. I was offering this as a suggestion, and in no way a threat to file charges. I was trying to give you a way to save face, if you will. I feel you have some serious anger management issues. And, from reading all the recent blog posts, it seems like others in your community feel that way about you as well. I don’t care about admitting criminal liability. When I said “guilt” I meant coming clean about what you have done. Not in a legal way, but in a no excuse, this is what I did way. And I would much rather not have the headache of having some trial. The community service was intended to give you the opportunity show you were sincere about regretting your actions. The community at large would benefit, and your group would benefit by showing the community you are willing to work to solve problems. There was never any quid pro quo, and you certainly could decide to do something else, or nothing at all. But if you were to choose community service, in my opinion, it would be best to do so in a way that serves others interests, not your own.
But again, make no mistake about it, the evidence is fairly clear according to the people with whom I have spoken . My actions were annoying, but well within my rights on a public sidewalk. As soon as you got in my face, the assault occurred. And still, after all that has been said in the last week, putting a condition on replacing the property you destroyed(a 10 cent cup, I know) and saying I “hit” you in the face with it, shows how little regard you seem to have for your own stated principles of nonviolence, peaceful resolutions of conflict and truth. Why do you think I would want to talk to someone who is not being honest with me? I confided in Ian and with you about this not on the blog, but in private. And Ian agreed it would be confidential. Then he goes on the blog to say I am “demanding” community service. Bullshit. Never happened. I made no demands. You both twist things around for your own benefit. You can choose your own path from here. Honesty, or continue on with the same old bullshit. Your choice.
James
It would sure look more respectable if the PD or the Mad-Cup-man simply planted some childporn or explosives or heroin on the activists to lock ‘em away in rape-rooms for years (hope I’m not giving anyone any ideas) and to twist them into obedience.
Instead of this whole pathetic whining; the results are the same.
I think that it is still just like my dogs problem.
In our backyard he has his pissing rock (coffee shop) that he uses every morning and night, it is his. When our friend brings over her dog, stability and the way of life are broken and thrown into chaos! What’s the dog to do but to put his tail up higher in the air and then mark that stone once more.
Sam and the Free State people are the new dogs in town and James just wants to order in his little world. many of these people might feel threatened.
It would be good for the civil disobedience to go onto the back burner or just down to a simmer for some time and then get some of the locals involved through outreach and don’t forget to invite them to the parties. Just inviting them, personally, is a strong open hand. And it might be good to have a couple coffee parties at James’ cafe. When he sees everyone coming in and not trying to take over, he just might calm also.
As for Sam and James. This can’t be repaired at this time. Give it a couple months and it will cool down.
Though James did assault Sam first and it does appear that he did commit battery with the cup. At the least it was harassment. Sam did commit battery also and from my experience would be able to claim self defense. If James keeps pushing the issue and escalates it more, file a cease and desist or simply a restraining order.
But then, by the look on James’ face, that will cause even more issues in the future.
Bottom line is that this needs to be completely separated from the FSP and made a civil issue between the tow of them so that the natives don’t get too restless.
What is overlooked in much of this discussion is the fact that,even though it is a free country and folks can move wherever they want,this is also a community that has residents that have been here a long time.They have worked hard to build up what they have,and are fairly comfortable.Now there is a bunch of folks that decide to change it to suit themselves.Yes,some were already here.From the posts,some have NEVER been here,yet want to tell folks here how to live.Don’t you think it may piss off some people?? I agree with much of the protests,but some still piss me off. How would you like it if some people from somewhere else showed up and decided your town was the ginea pig for social change,and you just have to put up with it,too bad for you.And if it doesn’t work,well,the new folks can just move on,and leave the mess behind. So maybe think about it before you condemn the locals that may not be ready to jump on the bandwagon.
Keep pissing on their rocks,and more may decide they aren’t too happy,either. —bil
Nice try, James, but no dice. After watching more of the video “evidence”, it’s very clear that you were TRYING TO PROVOKE Sam. You did provoke Sam. Bad Sam! Bad James! This is no more than a couple kids playing childish games. GROW UP! Yes, Sam was a dickhead. &You, James, are equally being a dickhead. You don’t remember me, but one morning last year, you gave me a bunch of crap in your coffee shop. Thankfully, another of your employees was there to keep things from escalating. You were very rude, unprofessional, and not at all “business-like”. I had already pegged you as what I call an “asshole”, before I even knew you owned the coffee shop! Now, a year later, I am very disappointed, but not at all surprised, to see your little-kid temper tantrum…That’s what you’re doing, James, throwing one looo-oooong TEMPER TANTRUM! LET IT GO!…like, you got nuttin better 2 do???…
KEENENATIVE-off topic-I have your royalties in the form of a GC from Fritzs-how do I get it to you? Are you over on the forum? Thanks. —bil
Ian, You’re dumb.
Title III of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 (18 U.S.C.A. §§ 2510-2520)
yada yada yada blah blah blah
blah blah blah
yada yada yada
yappity yap yap
no!
blah BLAH BLAH
I HEREBY DECREE THAT THIS SUBJECT IS DEADER THAN THE DEADEST HORSE THAT EVER DIED EVER
IF JAMES IS GOING TO BE A WUSSY PANSEY WIMP AND “IM RUNNING TO MR POLICE OFFICER” WAH WAH WAH
BECAUSE “MR POLICE MAN I STARTED TROUBLE AND THEY WAS MEAN TO ME”
THEN LET THE LITTLE WIMP DO SO…………..OTHERWISE CRAP OR GET OFF THE POT
WAAAAAAAAAAA
“MR POLICE MAN HE CRUSHED MY USED PAPER CUP”
unfortunately the kpd will prob call it a felony
again :im not a free stater…………..
Keenenative, come on into the store. I do not recall any situation, ever, in the 2 years I have been here, when I have been rude to a customer and one of my employees had to step in. I would be glad to see you, and have you refresh my memory on the incident you are claiming. Perhaps you are thinking of the previous owner. I don’t believe I have ever mentioned my store on any blog posts, and it is unfortunate that some people want to use this to somehow harm my business. I don’t think it will work, my customers are pretty loyal, and the support at the store has been great. Come on in and introduce yourself. We are open to any and all points of view.
This may be a little off topic but I’ll tie it in as a reply to Rob wick’s Dog theory.
Rob, for your dog problem, you might consider tying a food reward with every visit from your friends dog, positive conditioning.
Rob may be right about the James & Sam issue. It could have been a bit of territorialism on James’ part that caused him to put a slogan on his coffee cup and insert it in Sam’s camera shot. Aggression ensued and here we are still talking about it.
The Free Keene folks might use positive conditioning for this, too. Show the local businesses that you are contributing to the economy by stamping something (a Gadsden flag?) on all you dollar bills. After a while your Free Keene money will be in every cash register in Keene including, hopefully, James’s. That’s what the gay community did in Northampton, MA. thirty years ago and they are fully assimilated at this point.
Bil said:
From the posts,some have NEVER been here,yet want to tell folks here how to live.Don’t you think it may piss off some people??
Wrong bil!!!!!! People here do NOT want to tell people how to live. They want to remove the ability of others to tell people how to live also.
“Wrong bil!!!!!! People here do NOT want to tell people how to live. They want to remove the ability of others to tell people how to live also.”
Maybe in theory, but not the way some people have acted on this forum…
It is manifest that when people are told to stop aggressing against their neighbors, then they are being told what to do, or what not to do, as the circumstance may dictate.
Supporting the state and its violence IS indirectly telling people what to do.
So the activists are upset because their liberties are infringed by the government, which is encouraged by the statists amongst the populace.
The statists get upset when they are told aggression is wrong, please stop.
I can tell you without looking which argument is more compelling…
have we been allowed to see sam’s video of the incident- i think that would show an entirely different angle (physical angle) of events.
I saw both accounts, both videos. I saw Sam get in this guy James’ face. That was wrong. Then I saw James touch him with a cup. If anyone’s talking assault charges on sam surely they’ll do the same for James.
I’m not going to support either of these assholes. This guy owns a coffee shop? I don’t know if I’ve been i nthere, but I won’t go there for sure now.
He is apparently the owner of Brewbaker’s on Main St.
Too bad, it’s a nice place. Brewbaker’s was the first coffee shop I went to in Keene. I liked it but I’ll never go in there again.
I was mistaken, I thought Sam owned the coffeeshop not James. I still won’t be spending my money there.
1.
Jamie on Thu, 26th Aug 2010 12:01 pm
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It is just a fucking paper cup!
Back to at least 3AM for sure…
james seems to be filled with hate, a little show of love and compassion might do him some good, and all who is involed. just a thought
Tommy,
I think coming to Sam and Ian in confidentiality, rather than slandering them on the internet as soon as he received the information can certainly be considered compassionate.
YO!, bil! ROYALTIES???…WTF???…Didn’t I pardon you from that? “GC”???…You mean “gift certificate”, right?…Hmmm…lemme think about it. I’ll get back to you. HMMmmm…maybe we should donate them to James? Would that be OK? Forum? Well, I would like to go there, but lately, all my online time has been taken up by the GREAT KEENE COFFEE CUP CONSPIRACY…/////…….JAMES: Please don’t lowercase me. My name is KEENENATIVE, all caps…and, I never said one of your employees had to “intervene”…you’re overinterpreting…AND, yes, I listened to the tape of your phone message left w/Ian, for Sam. In my opinion, yes, you were threatening Sam with various forms of legal action…And, in the spirit of the free & open society I choose to live in, Ian was very correct in posting his phone message from you. WE ALL deserve to know as much as we can about situations that involve us, or our friends & community members. For example, I believe that the good people of Keene deserve to know EXACTLY what happened regarding Randy Filiault, & the Railroad Tavern Caper. Liquor Commissioner Bodi fought, successfully, to have his Grand Jury testimony made public. Let’s hear THE REST of the story…One last thing, James: Please clarify: Was it a *PAPER CUP*, or a *STYROFOAM* cup. I say Paper. Which is correct? Seriously. ///…Isn’t assault with styrofoam a D-cup misdemeanor?…(let cooler heads prevail, Lord, let cooler heads prevail…
Styrofoam-cooler heads….now I get it-styrofoam cooler heads-one item! Great invention! Yes,GC=gift certificate! Yours to do with as you please-have lunch,donate,or even write on it and hold it it someones face on TV!! I am sure you can come up with something, you have a great imagination.
Bradley-do you read the posts at all?? Read your quote of my post, then read some more posts. Apology accepted, no conditions imposed or implied.
—bil
At this point, Ian might spend time arbitrating, judging, rationalizing, and moralizing on the abuse Sam has perpetrated on his former housemate and domestic servant.
Of great titillating interest would be exposition and detail surrounding Sam’s coercive and degrading sexual proclivities.
How about it , a three or four part blog series exploring the depths of a free-state male/female relationship: the domination, narcissism, and degrading sex, along with never ending moralizing and state actor blame.
…oh and if you characterize it as “Quaker”, you will be right and pure by simple moral tautology. It will be fucking great.
What I want to know is the cash value of 50 hours of working at a battered women’s shelter. That will determine if James Callaway is committing a misdemeanor, a class B felony, or a class A felony. (See 637:5 and 637:11.)
Behold the cup in all its glory.
lpviper “your cup sir?” Too funny. I laughed for hours over that one. Thank you.
Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiBbjwtW2OI
Ask for 3 estimates for the cups replacement. The cup was of course used, so the estimates should be done accordingly. A mediator and appraisal may be necessary, once he can prove the actual value of the cup then give him his 3 cents.
Stop nit picking. Joking or not. This is getting ridiculous.
ian
cool video
bil, you’re too, Too, TOO GOOD!…no, i didn’t intend ” “styrofoam cooler” heads” at all!…It was a serious question about whether THE*CUP is / was paper or styrofoam cup, and a separate plea to “let cooler heads prevail”. Only in your wonderful mind, bil, did the two merge to become *STYROFOAM*COOLER*HEADS*! I love it! But, since now “I owe you one”, does that not negate your debt to me, or not?…(Just curious – does the GC perhaps cover a Bison Burger at Fritz”s???…that would be yummy-yummy-yummy! That’s about all I’d really want there…
Ok. I’m not from Keene but have been keeping up with the going ons there. It’s apparent Sams a hot head. In the future his anger could lead to harmful political situations for the freekeeners. Sam be smart return the cup and dont agree to do anything this pinhead wants. I’m a big Ron Paul fan and feel strongly about not giving up our liberties. Americans are waking up and realizing that whenever the gov. says we need to do something to keep you safe they’re preparing another direct attack on our liberties. WAKE UP AMERICA. If one wants to change something vote, vote, vote. RON PAUL. president 2012. I think you guys should look in to promoting militias across the US. We need a minimum of 50k per state to ever stand a chance. The militia is a good thing dont believe the governments negative stigma they paint on any militia. The time has come to educate our fellow CITIZENS, not civilians as they call us, that water may not always come from the faucet and some major changes are taking place in the world that could lead to civil unrest and we need to be prepared for it. I’m not endorsing violence but I am endorsing knowledge. The Constitution means nothing to this administration. I hope America can hold out for 2 more year but i doubt it so band together, research military defense tactics, and prepare yourself. I”m not a fanatic but I’m also not blind. If you take anything from what I’m saying take this. Form a militia, Your numbers starting off may only be 2 or 3 but educate those 2 or 3 and those few can train 30 then those 30 can train 300 and so on. Be ready America, we have worse on our plates than SAM AND HIS CUP. I mean what the crap is this anyway a distraction?
NICK: Well, you might see this as just a “distraction”. I won’t say it isn’t. At least for you. For me, this is good training. Tactics are tactics, & strategy is strategy. Whether beseiged by bureaucraps, nazis, or any other military “enemy”, the same thought processes are involved. Just as the Pentagon uses video games to train troops. Same idea. In seeing Sam & James go back & forth over what looks like silliness, we are also seeing it as if it was a type of armed conflict. The best way to win a war is not to get into that war in the first place. And one of the best ways to avoid war is to be 100%TOTALLY PREPARED to wage TOTAL WAR. The more prepared for any form of war that I can be, the more peaceful & peaceloving I become. That’s how it is for me, anyway. BTW, NICK, ever been to the Oathkeepers website, for example? I’d be more concerned about things, if I saw things as simplistically as I used to…
I’m a RP fan too Nick, and I agree the cup thing is silly, and Sam was a hothead.
I’m not such a huge fan of militias at this point, although of course I think they should be free to organize as long as they remain peaceful.
I’m looking for “two men and a cup”
or whatever THE PLAY
Watching this from North Carolina, why would any liberty supporter (Free Stater, Free Keener, etc) EVER spend another penny at Brewbaker’s again and support that whiny little statist bitch?
Man up, dude and stop hiding behind the state after kicking dirt in the other kid’s face.
YO! tacticAos: Sure, it’s easy to boycott a coffeeshop in Keene, NH, when you’re in NC, but that would hurt the employees, and besides, downtown Keene’s coffeeshops each have their own customer base, and “vibe”…I won’t support or oppose somebody who does choose to do a boycott, but personally, I think most people around here – including “freekeeners/staters/whatevers, really don’t want to see this escalate into anything like that. Like most small towns, Keene & the people here thrive best on a steady diet of minor, petty, trumped-up controversy. The Statists here use these “incidents’ as a form of *CAMOFLAGE*, to help hide their nefarious deeds…I don’t really see James as a “whiny little statist bitch”, but I value that you do see him that way…Me? I think he’s an asshole/jerk, almost as much so as I’M AN asshole/jerk…takes one to know one, right???…Thanks for writing!…
*STYROFOAM*COOLER*HEADS* of the world, UNITE!!!…
KN-10 bucks worth of whatever you want (waitress not included!) Your posts are well worth that to me!
I am boycotting all the coffeeshops in NC,except that small one on the left,just north of Tryon. Nice spot. Good coffee.Real rednecks. —bil
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