Blue Hampshire Blogger Calls FSP Participants “Cult Members”, Fears We’ll “Eliminate our State Government”

"Susan the Bruce"While calling Free State Project participants “cult members” and claiming we support censorship, a Blue Hampshire blogger, “Susan the Bruce” has been busily cleaning her personal blog comments (where her BH post is copied) of unwanted posts. The blog dust-up has hit mainstream news with the Union Leader reporting on it.

Susan, as it turns out, you’re the one in the cult – the cult of the omnipotent state. You Democrats (and Republicans) have charismatic leaders and perform rituals. There’s plenty of jargon associated with “the state” as well as a culture of fear. Please see my piece here that will lay it out for you.

People who just want you to leave others alone to live life how they want, so long as they don’t harm anyone else, are not cult members. We don’t have a leader. Our movement is decentralized. There are no rituals. We use plain english to describe the aggression of the state. You statists don’t like it when we call a spade a spade, though. Some people can’t stand it when the violence of the state is shown for all to see, which we do on a regular basis here at Free Keene.

Now, on to your other accusation that FSP participants support censorship. That’s clearly nonsense. FK blogger Darryl Perry called for impeachment and CENSURE (grab your dictionary!), not censorship. Cynthia Chase should be free to spout her bigoted opinions, however I don’t support bigots holding public office, do you, Susan?

You also complain in your blog comments that “not a one” spoke up during the last, Republican-run house session. That is incorrect. We here at Free Keene have been covering the horrible aggression of the state during ALL administrations. You just weren’t paying attention.

Finally, Susan, I don’t know if all “free staters” support totally eliminating the state government, because some of them are “small government” people. However, I support ending the state. The state is an evil concept that is nothing more than a cover for aggressive violence and the threats thereof against peaceful people. It’s humane to support ending the state and inhumane to support the state, so long as the people calling themselves “the state” continue their aggression and threats.

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PeaceXtremist
PeaceXtremist

(Bob Robert, thank you for your last comment, well put.). To all, I’d say the best way is the honest way and the only way to get there is to always keep an open mind. I’d tell people to lose the “I’m right because of this attitude” and replace it with “really, but if that’s true, then what do you think about this?” attitude. It’s tough for anyone to admit they are wrong because of their pride but what type of person would you prefer to deal with/be? Someone who is always respectful, honest, open minded to discovering and open to the possibility of being wrong (and you can see that), so you can truly trust their motivations (this person is also quite happy because they truly live honestly) OR someone who acts like they know it all (“I can’t believe your too stupid to understand this”)…someone who “reacts” with canned responses, never really listens, comes off as disrespectful? Are these the type of people others want to be around? If people don’t "like you" (don't think you are being respectful towards them), they certainly will NOT be persuaded by you (isn’t that your goal?). Think about how you would like to be treated and then act that way towards others is all I can say. PS: It’s impossible for the FSP to “take over” when the core philosophy of the group to always hold and protect the “Individual as supreme,”... because then everyone’s protected equally… versus what we have now…laws that are made to favor one group over others (via political donations = laws are for sale). Are honest people supposed to look at that and find no problem with it? I think not but what do you think?

Fst Sqr
Fst Sqr

When the Mayflower brought travellers here, the participants didnt keep calling themselves Mayflower-ites. It was only a boat. The Free State Project is only a boat. There is no Free State Party just like there is no Mayflower Party. Once travellers arrive to New Hampshire, you shed the FSP and become an Independent because Free Stater isnt a Party.

Chris Case
Chris Case

No one wants to Censor Rep. Chase. Ian, made sure everyone one know she is a hate monger that wants to willfully deprive people of rights and privileges protected by the Constitution and laws of the United States and of NH. Maybe you didn't realize it's against the law? But when people who are elected to office, and they make it known that they want to willfully deprive people of rights -- it's a bad thing.

susanthe
susanthe

Let's stop pretending, shall we, Chris? This great big pearl clutching hysteria over Cynthia Chase (and to a lesser extent, me) is for one reason, and one reason only. The FSP is filled with attention whores (see: Cohn, Seth) desperate to keep on presenting themselves to the media as victims. That's why ya'll are flogging every maggot you can out of the dead horse this story has become.

ZeeBako
ZeeBako

I'm not in the least bit interested in insulting Susan, I'd rather talk about and address her concerns if possible and express some of my own concerns. I understand, if you don't see eye to eye with the main points Free State Project participants bring up, you might form a negative opinion of the Free State Project as a whole, especially if those viewpoints expressed are in direct conflict with your own. On the flip side, I believe a good deal of those FSP members see what you are saying as painting the FSP'ers with a broad brush based on negative interactions with a handful of people. I believe that is quite unfair. If you met me on the street, you'd think of me as an outgoing, charming, polite individual who simply has an opinion you do not share. I don't make it a point to insult people, and you yourself have done nothing to insult me. Why can't we have a cordial discussion? I think it would be awesome if you called in to Free Talk Live one night, I'm absolutely positive Ian and Mark and yourself would have an awesome discussion. You are concerned that you would somehow be insulted on their show? Why? What has led you to this conclusion? I've only ever known them to be nasty to callers who are nasty to them to begin with, and I've listened for quite a while. I'd encourage you to call in, it would be a great experience.

Shaunna Nash
Shaunna Nash

As often the case, the comments are more interesting than the post. But this bread show does seem to have turned into a circus. How much time is now spent digging forums that until recently were felt by regulars there as a "safe haven to vent;" for an outrage outlet? For how long is it going to go on? When is someone gonna wade through other forums for juice? What are we all gonna do when the internet goes down?

Bob_Robert
Bob_Robert

Susanthe, not "ignored", just examined in context along with what the Project itself is, which is based upon only part of that original essay. You would know that if you had actually examined the Free State Project.

susanthe
susanthe

Why, yes, Bob. I added those exclamation points intentionally. I was mocking you. The VERY MANLY THREAT? Again - I was mocking you. It's a shame you keep on meeting my expectations. Grim. Angry, Humorless. And really, really dull.

Bob_Robert
Bob_Robert

If you're going to paraphrase, please say so. That way I can know it's deliberate. I'm sorry you hate men so much. That's another subject you should talk to your psychologist about. Best of luck with your therapy.

susanthe
susanthe

Again with the patronizing and condescending. I can't tell if you're thoroughly brainwashed or lacking in any sort of imagination - but clearly the idea that anyone could do plenty of research into the FSP and come to different conclusions has never occurred to you.

Bob_Robert
Bob_Robert

It has occurred to me, Susanthe, that you looked just long enough to find something to hate, and then stopped. Since your statements directly contradict the method, goals, and individuals that are involved with the FSP, I am left to conclude only that you don't care to do anything more than spit hatred and abuse. So please, go ahead and spit. You are welcome to your prejudice and bigotry, because I am not an authoritarian despite your continual assertions. But if you try to entrench your hatred in law, I will oppose you. Your choice.

susanthe
susanthe

Well, Bob, it occurs to me that you are an incredibly tedious and repetitious individual with absolutely no imagination. All you have is fear and propaganda, which you express endlessly in parroted slogans. Thanks for the best laugh of the day, though. The VERY MANLY THREAT. "If you try to entrench your hatred in law I will oppose you! Your choice!" What are you, twelve years old, issuing playground throw-downs? I'm not a legislator. I don't make laws. The bottomless bleating victimization of the Free State Project is a wonder to behold. But, I want you to know that you've succeeded! I feel terribly sorry for all of you. There's no intellect, just parroting empty phrases. There's no wit or humor. You're grim, angry, white boys. Enjoy your victimhood Free Staters! You've worked hard for it!

Bob_Robert
Bob_Robert

Fascinating, Susanthe. Did you even notice that you added exclamation points to my statement, after putting it in quotes? I am left to wonder if this is an example of your accuracy, or your level of honesty. Either way, you again demonstrate that you don't care what others say, you will spit your vitriol and hatred regardless. Why do you consider opposition to be a "threat"? Or, in your words, "The VERY MANLY THREAT"? Do you always feel threatened when someone disagrees with you? It certainly would explain the hatred with which you treat everyone with which you disagree. Have you considered talking to someone about this hatred?

susanthe
susanthe

Oh, I don't hate men, Bob. Just the stupid ones.

Bob_Robert
Bob_Robert

You said, "The VERY MANLY THREAT", bringing gender into the discussion in a derogatory way towards men. You said "I was mocking you", so you're using "MANLY" as a term of mockery. Have you spoken to your psychologist about this hatred you have of men?

MaineShark
MaineShark

She does seem to need one, does she not? Between the persecution complex where she takes a random comment against her as an attack on all women, her extreme levels of paranoia in which she views small political movements as "invasions," and this misandry of hers, she seems like she has a pretty substantial need for psychological help, at least, if not psychiatric.

Bob_Robert
Bob_Robert

Susanthe, you still haven't looked up the definition of censure. How sad. And no, it's not my job because I'm not an authoritarian. By your own statements, it is you who believes you have authority to rule other people's lives, thus you who are the authoritarian. Please, get out your thesaurus and spend some time learning this wonderful language "English".

Bob_Robert
Bob_Robert

Susanthe, when you say you hate people who would make abortion illegal, may I conclude that you support legal abortion?

Bob_Robert
Bob_Robert

So, when you say you oppose people who would make abortion illegal, may I conclude that you support legal abortion?

susanthe
susanthe

Oh, how I love a patronizing, condescending man. I know the definition of the term censure. I fear that you folks don't know the definition of CENSOR - and that you all have a complete inability to comprehend what you read, unless it comes from von Mises, in which case you can parrot it till the cows come home. Do provide the direct quote from me where I claim to have authority over other people's lives, Bob. Direct quote. From me. Not some phonied up FSP interpretational guano.

Bob_Robert
Bob_Robert

Looking back through your posts, I see most all are just insults and statements about things you see people doing wrong. What you seem incapable of believing is that much of what you point out as wrong, such as Ovid's wanting to make same-sex marriage illegal, and bringing the state into medical decisions, are issues upon which you and much of the FSP related people completely agree with. I'm sorry you can't give up your hate long enough to realize this. Where your authoritarian streak becomes clear is in reference to anything where someone does not agree with you when you think it's just fine for the state to interfere. Your references to education and medicine (other medicine that is, but not abortion), your statement on October 26th that interfering with business is fine if it's to make men and women get paid the same, but not if that interference is to make wages different. Direct quotes are difficult, because your insults and disgust are pointed at other people's action, and it is left to the reader to imagine that your vitriolic abuse of those people is based upon believing the opposite. This based upon the opening of your Oct. 26th article, "The opposite of progressive is regressive, and the regressives have had too much control for too long." Am I to just "know" what you mean by "progressive"? A direct quote? Very difficult, because while you say things like "education and infrastructure are desperately important", your statements are based in abuse of others for lowering taxes, while carefully NOT saying "raise taxes". Instead it's things like this: "NH can do better. Indeed, we must, if we ever intend to join the 21st century" at the end of your Sept 28th article, which was all about how not having an income and state sales tax is horrible and terrible. Your authoritarian streak is obvious every time you write about something the state does that you like, or that the state doesn't do that you want it to do, if in no other way than that you abuse anyone who isn't doing what you want them to. How does this compare to the people at which you spit the word "authoritarian"? While you want the state making laws saying same-sex marriage is legal, I don't want the state involved with marriage at all. I'm not authoritarian. Where you want abortion to be legal but other medical issues covered by govt mandate (since you abuse those who oppose it), which is authoritarian, I don't want the state involved in making medical decisions for anyone. I'm not authoritarian. The list goes on and on. At every point either you and I agree that the authorities should not be involved, in which case you arguing with me about it is insane, or you believe govt should be involved (the authoritarian position) while I believe govt should not be involved. You call my words to you "condescending" when I say you clearly don't understand English. Well, Susanthe, why do you continue to use words incorrectly if you do?

susanthe
susanthe

Thanks Bob. Let me translate that waste of words for you. You made an accusation. I asked for direct quotes. You were unable to provide them, so you blathered on for a far too many paragraphs in an attempt to distract everyone that you couldn't back up your assertion. I stipulated direct quotes, and no phonied up FSP interpretational guano. You served up 7 paragraphs of interpretational guano. You're too pompous and egotistical to admit that you couldn't actually back up your bogus claim. I understand English just fine, Bob. You just don't happen to speak it or write it very well. Someone programmed you to bleat about CENSURE and CENSOR and you're clinging to that raft like a dying man, even though the raft has deflated and you're sinking. You're still bellowing out the words, though, even as the water is rising up over your lip. You're a good little automaton. The only people who fail to grasp what I wrote are here. No one else in the world had a problem. Just the FSP. HINT: the problem isn't me.

Bob_Robert
Bob_Robert

"I asked for direct quotes" Indeed, I did not easily find any direct positive statement of yours concerning what you want, other than the word "progressive". What I did find was a stream of articles containing nothing more than hatred of everyone and everything. If this is your considered and deliberate use of English, I feel very sorry for you. It must be awful to have nothing positive to say.

susanthe
susanthe

Bob, you said: "By your own statements, it is you who believes you have authority to rule other people's lives, thus you who are the authoritarian." I said:Do provide the direct quote from me where I claim to have authority over other people's lives, Bob. Direct quote. From me. Not some phonied up FSP interpretational guano. You've failed. You gave the phonied up FSP interpretational guano, and you're too small and fearful a man to admit it. Do, however, take your fauxpity and wedge it firmly and deeply in your santorum.

Bob_Robert
Bob_Robert

"Do you have a quote where I say, "I hate these people who would make abortion illegal" Yes, in fact you do. Here, from Oct. 26: "Ovide Lamontagne is the regressive running for governor of our state. Ovide is opposed to abortion in cases of rape and incest. He supports the so-called personhood legislation that would make a clump of cells the legal equal of an adult woman. He’s also opposed to marriage equality, and wants to repeal Obama’s health care law. Despite his obvious religious extremism..." Do you need the link? Have you forgotten so soon? http://bluehampshire.com/2012/10/26/backward-isnt-forward/ This is also the posting where you get the closest I saw in any of your posts to being in favor of anything, that of "progressive", at the end if the first paragraph. So, when you say you hate people who would make abortion illegal, may I conclude that you support legal abortion?

Bob_Robert
Bob_Robert

Susanthe, I realize this is difficult because it requires logic: When you hate something, and say nothing else, it can only be concluded that you feel positively about the opposite. The one and only positive statement I could find was toward that which is "progressive", but you do not define it. Would you be so kind as to say something you do support? Something you like, or approve of? Do you have anything like that?

susanthe
susanthe

Oh, it's not difficult at all to see what you're going here, Bob. You made a specific accusation. I called you on it, You failed to provide a direct quote. Now you're trying to change the subject, because you can't admit that you were wrong - that nowhere have I ever said I had (or wanted) authority over other people's lives. You're attempting to distract us all from your failure and your subsequent inability to man up and admit you were wrong. I'm not going to play Bob's Silly Games. Your games are as interesting as your dialogue. Not at all.

Bob_Robert
Bob_Robert

Susanthe, when you say you hate people who would make abortion illegal, may I conclude that you support legal abortion?

Bob_Robert
Bob_Robert

Susanthe, you're changing the subject. Answer the question please: When you say you hate people who would make abortion illegal, may I conclude that you support legal abortion?

susanthe
susanthe

I'm playing the same game you are, Bob. You've done all kinds of diversionary crap. Like the old drug ad: I learned it by watching you. Now, is there a Mrs. Bob or not?

Bob_Robert
Bob_Robert

I see. This is more of your deliberate mocking. I have done no "diversionary crap", and tried to answer the questions you raised. If you do not like the answers, I cannot do anything about that. If you cannot answer a question to you, that again is something over which I have no control. After all, I'm not an authoritarian.

susanthe
susanthe

Oh, did I miss the part where you owned up to making false accusations about me that you were unable to back up? Did I miss your apology?

No More Muckblogs
No More Muckblogs

Hey, Internet check it out! Ms Susan Bruce is asking Bob Robert to apologize to her. How sweet. But, Ms Bruce. We libertarians don't have stockholm syndrome anymore. We've grown past that.

susanthe
susanthe

Where did I say that, Bob? Do you have a quote where I say, "I hate these people who would make abortion illegal?" Another round of this crap, really? I think we both know that you're going to pull some more interpretational guano out of your santorum, and try to use it as a "quote."

susanthe
susanthe

I understand Muck. The cult never admits when they lie, or when they're wrong and they certainly don't apologize for it. I've had a wealth of experience in that area. Don't get carried away - I don't expect integrity from the hive.

susanthe
susanthe

For someone who pretends to be a stickler for language, you're remarkably poor at coming up with quotes. Nowhere in that piece does it say, "I hate these people who would make abortion illegal." More phonied up fakery. More dishonesty. Outright lying, in fact. I'm done with you Bob. I don't truckle with liars.

Bob_Robert
Bob_Robert

So, when you belittle, berate, and abuse the policies of people you then associate with the prohibition of abortion, may I conclude that you support legal abortion?

susanthe
susanthe

Dear FSP: Please put David in charge of all of your PR. Thanks!

Fst Sqr
Fst Sqr

If you open up your blog to open comments you might get more readers, FreeKeene blog doesnt practice censorship and works just fine.

davidinkeene
davidinkeene

then why did u delete comments that point out holes in your argument

susanthe
susanthe

I don't know what you're talking about. I don't think you do, either. Delete comments where?

davidinkeene
davidinkeene

not technically a "member of the fsp" but thanks for the complement......

Fst Sqr
Fst Sqr

Give susanthe the insult lady a cigar and a microphone! She should replace Triumph on Conan LOL

Fst Sqr
Fst Sqr

Have a good day Insult Lady. :-)

Fst Sqr
Fst Sqr

My name for her will be "Susan the Lenny Bruce"

Fst Sqr
Fst Sqr

Insult Lady, How did you get Ammo? My avatar is a deep sea fishing reel.

susanthe
susanthe

And what a charming metaphor, ammodude. Comparing women to dogs. That, by the way, only feeds my belief in the inherent FSP misogyny. Well done!

Fst Sqr
Fst Sqr

Wow, another big jump of faulty logic! lol WE love you susan, thanks for coming over for the discussion BTW.

susanthe
susanthe

Good work, ammodude. The confirmation of my suspicions about you boys is truly gratifying.

susanthe
susanthe

And when you type, you make an ass out of u.

MaineShark
MaineShark

Um, no, /you/ were compared to a dog, if you want to stretch a cultural reference that far. Not "women." Just one individual. Would you be upset if the same statement was directed at a male? Probably not - you seem like a typical bigot, who only gets upset when s/he is able to invent some slight against his/her group. But, of course, you're supporting Chase, so the fact that you're a bigot goes without saying.

susanthe
susanthe

"Probably not - you seem like a typical bigot, who only gets upset when s/he is able to invent some slight against his/her group." OMG - you're comparing me to a FREE STATER!

MaineShark
MaineShark

Um, "I know you are, but what am I" is infantile when a toddler says it. How do you imagine it makes you look?