Keene City Council Votes Unanimously to Steal Houses
What did you expect them to do? If they let people get away with not paying their racket, them more people will stop paying, and their system will collapse under it’s own weight. However, as the people are dealing with their outrageous monetary demands, rising prices, an ever-inflating dollar, and new layoffs announced ever week, the bureaucrats voted to fund a private company’s $5,000 business case for the farming Co-Op. I wonder how the guy being evicted from his home would have voted? While they are at it, they voted to adjust property tax rates to account for falling property values. While you are expected to do more with less, they do more with more, because well . . . It’s your money they’re spending.
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This article and narrative are disingenuous at best, and bold lies at worst. If you all are tax experts, then I’m sure you are aware that the tax collector and the City Council have extremely limited options once a property enters the tax lien/deed process. As a matter of fact, unless the municipality is aware of potential liability arising out of ownership of the property (see RSA 80:76, II and II-a), then the tax collector MUST tax deed the property two years after the recording of a tax lien.
If you don’t like this process, you’ll have to whine and cry a lot louder. This is based on NH statute, not City of Keene ordinance. Better yet, move to Montana or Wyoming. This New Hampshire native has had enough of your antics.
Keene city councilors have the option of transgressing the law at once. But they apparently didn’t even show interest in amending the law, judging by the video.
@ “Ignorance must equal bliss”:
You can avoud our “antics” entirely–just stop stealing our money and kidnapping people who haven’t harmed anyone!
Personally, I think our group is a lot of fun, and I think if you talked to a few of us you might grow to like us. 
P.S. Excellent video, Sam! Very high production quality.
…the tax collector MUST tax deed the property…
Or what? The tax collector will burst into flames? Turn into a pumpkin? Or maybe men in dark blue suits with guns will break into their homes, kidnap them and use violence or the threat of violence to coerce them into complying?
No, Sir or Madame, the tax collector has a choice. They can choose between morality and immorality. Between what is just and what is unjust.
Of course, there will be consequences. Even those who work for this broken, morally bankrupt, criminal gang called government are subject to it’s violence if they don’t tow the line. There is certainly the likelihood that disobeying the rules will get them fired.
But then, anyone in that line of work who had any scruples would have quit.
No, these council members also had a choice and they chose what those in power always choose: To screw everyone else and enrich themselves. Their justifications for doing so are little else but smoke and mirrors. Something to help them sleep better at night. A convincing lie they can tell their kids when asked what they do for living. “I help people.”, they’ll tell little Johnny.
They never tell little Johnnny that the people they help are themselves so it’s only a half-truth and therefore only half a lie.
I’m sorry to hear you’ve had enough of our “antics” because there are more of us coming every day and we’re going to keep putting on the pressure and exposing your system for what it is until you’ve learned not to steal from people or hurt them for not bowing down to your arbitrary dictates.
The ironic thing is that this will probably make many of your kind angry and prone to violence toward us. “How DARE they not obey the rules we wrote down on paper! Don’t they know who we are!? We have authority! All must obey!”.
And so they’ll lean on us, one by one. “Accidents” might start happening to some of us. But your increased violence (the only thing you’re good at) will only make us stronger. You’ll only enrage others who will then come to New Hampshire and join us, swelling our numbers until there are so damn many of us it will as you were floating in a sea of activists and the great wave of liberty shall crash down upon you.
ZEUS get a grip. Your rhetoric about liberty minded people causing a wave of liberty to crash down upon someone sounds great.
Riddle me this BATMAN. Whaat happens in your liberty based society when someone does not pay for services? Like it or not taxes pay for services…..whether you indirectly or directly use them.
In your “lets trade the government of force backed by men with guns” scenario were you have a right to contract for all the services the property tax pays for do you really believe a business man will not have the right to foreclose on your “private property” for non payment of your fire insurance/fire protection premiums or have the right to lien your property and force a sale for payment of a judgement when the lien is perfected ?
I may agree with the premise that all municipal services should be privatized.But until I can be presented a viable model that could actually work to privatize all existing government I will go along to get along. At the same time I will do what I can to make sure the people in power that run the “municorp” that has jurisdiction where my domicile is found run the place with honesty and transparency and run it equitably.
We had a situation where 33% of the water customers did not pay the bill. They wanted to raise the rate so they could meet their budget projections on the backs the people that had the ability to pay. They also wanted to continue to provide water to those that did not pay. The ultimately agreed to keep the rate the same. They also began the process to shut off the water of non payers and also imposed high reconnection fees to those properties that did not pay or make agreement s to pay. Each property is leined so the water department will get paid when the property is sold.
If someone doesn’t pay for a service they don’t get it (anymore). Or they will get sued.
Dave Barry thinks taxes buy you the service of not being thrown in jail and he’s right. That’s no service at all, that’s extortion.
If the services this tax money allegedly pays for are so valuable, put it out there on the free market like everyone else. IOW, if it’s so great why do you have to use a credible threat of force to make people buy it?
What are these municipal services that these taxes allegedly pay for?
btw I don’t think liberty-lovers want to get something without having to pay for it. They just want to be able to choose which services they’ll purchase and which they won’t.
geo, I answered you on an earlier thread, did you read it?
It’s quite simple. I have no problem with people using force to make me pay what I have promised to pay for a good I have chosen to purchase.
What I object to is violence being used against me to force me to “purchase” the good in the first place. Such a “purchase” is nothing more than a mugging. Government is the only business which will act violently against me if I try to choose not to be their customer. It’s more like a mafia than anything.
I explained this in an analogy which I think is appropriate — please read my response to your nearly identical post here: http://freekeene.com/2009/04/02/city-to-steal-four-homes-from-families-kick-them-into-street/#comments
All I want is the freedom to choose.
Nice video Sam.
I see the same old typical arguments here by the statists. Ad hominim attacks, taxes pay for services, fair share, etc.
It’s sad to see people so happy to live under such violence, so long as they are not on the direct receiving end.
Thank you, GeoFalon… I do like my rhetoric to be a little saucy, with a pinch of zazz.
George Donnelly had it right. You don’t get what you don’t pay for. This means the Producers of society get only what they earn and the Parasites of society get nothing they didn’t earn (or weren’t freely given). Sounds pretty fair and square to me.
I understand your concern is with the Parasites, those poor moochers who feed off the sweat and hard work of the Producers, those who create valuable good and services. Things won’t be good for them in a voluntary society. They’ll have to put down the guns of government and start earning their keep like everyone else.
…do you really believe a business man will not have the right to foreclose on your “private property” for non payment of your fire insurance/fire protection premiums or have the right to lien your property and force a sale for payment of a judgement when the lien is perfected?
If that’s the agreement he and I made, then that’s the agreement he and I made. I have no such agreement with the government. I either partake of their “services” whether I want them or not or they’ll fine me, cage me or kill me depending on the level of my disobedience and the remaining amount of their dwindling humanity.
At least in a voluntaryist society, no one can say “Oh, but I have to follow procedure and the rules of subsection 38, paragraph 7 specifically state…” when throwing someone out on the street for non-payment.
They won’t be able to hide behind the excuse of “The Law made me do it” for the choices they make. They will have to take responsibility for what they’ve done and reap the consequences for doing things they know are wrong.
It gets picked up by men I’ve voluntarily contracted with to come pick it up. I offer them something valuable (money) and they give me something valuable (garbage pickup service) in return.
This means I can fire them, hire someone else if I am dissatisfied with their service or do it myself. That means that there is accountability. They need to do the job the way I like it or they lose my business.
Why don’t you guys move back to whatever place you came from. Keene doesn’t need you. NH doesn’t need you. The US doesn’t need you. Better yet – go create your own country on an island somewhere, a la “The Beach” and I’m sure that you’ll all turn on one another and kill yourselves off. What a blessing that would be! Could you make that a reality? Try working on that…
By the way, the video that Sam produced is misleading (no surprise there since Sam and Ian and few others on here twist words to their irrational satisfaction). You guys decided to attend the last meeting in a series, which is where the vote occurs. The previous meetings are where discussion occurs.
Take more rope, guys…in my opinion, you can’t hang yourselves fast enough!
Why don’t you guys move back to whatever place you came from. Keene doesn’t need you. NH doesn’t need you. The US doesn’t need you.
Thanks for the kind thoughts, Sucks. What Keene, New Hampshire and the U.S. “need” is not up to you to decide and entirely irrelevant (especially considering those are all abstract collectivist labels).
Those of us moving to Keene are doing so to bring about more liberty in our lives (and yours, come to think of it) and we’re not going anywhere. In fact, many, many more of us are coming to the area. You’re going to love it this summer.
Better yet – go create your own country on an island somewhere, a la “The Beach” and I’m sure that you’ll all turn on one another and kill yourselves off. What a blessing that would be! Could you make that a reality? Try working on that…
If we could create a society on an island somewhere, some of us probably would but, unfortunately, statists like yourself have made that quite impossible because you would still want to rob and attack us. You guys simply refuse to follow the Golden Rule and leave us alone. After all, if some people don’t obey and submit to your arbitrary dictates, others might get the same idea and you can’t have that. Wouldn’t be able to maintain your power over others if that happened.
Your pessimistic imaginings about us killing each other are both unfortunate and unrealistic. Killing people is what statists like yourself do when people don’t tow the line and obey, not peaceful liberty activists.
As for your desire to see us all murdered (particularly by each other so you don’t have to do it yourself), that says quite a bit about your mental state. You might want to seek professional psychiatric help to reduce your murderous bloodlust.
I don’t get you. You insist upon acting like the little outpost in Western New Hampshire known as Keene invented all of this; you’re picking on the wrong town. Why not go to Philly, where the constitution was signed? Why not try to take over the Historical Museum of Jamestown (where people in real-life costumes walk around re-enacting the period of history that would eventually result in the establishment of early America)? Why not something symbolic? something grand? Keene is an outpost, a really nice outpost with decent people who try to keep City Government Open to the citizens of Keene (of which you are a member, whether or not you agree), but it is nowhere near the beating heart of the so-called statist (not a realy word, btw) octopus that is gobbling up freedom and democracy as you view it. Where will this great wave of liberty lead? Will it sweep over the nation? Wither will you ride the great wave of liberty? will you surf the great wave of liberty? I know it’s fun to get worked up into hysterics thinking about how you are bringing down the man. Artists, really bad ones, try to craft some anti-man manifesto all the time; and, for the most part, it gets ignored. Why? Because it says nothing about the human soul. You keep trying to talk about individual liberty, but really you are trading in abstract comments that you don’t really fully understand. What does it mean to be alive? The greatest art deals with these questions; punk, while anti-authoritarian, was more about the need to self-actualize in a grinding industrial conformity machine. Shakespeare went so deep into understanding the human soul that if you tried to get there, you would feel terrified about what you found there. Read King Lear, it will do you good. This sort of ambivalence about modernity is nothing new, and neither are you. Eutopians are part of america, and they always will be. But, your problem comes from the “us” vs. “them” mentality. Nothing that begins with the premise of promoting a foredrawn conclusion, a personal conviction that tries to tune out the hearts and feelings of others, will ever really succeed in animating the imaginations of the “other” that exists inside all of us. Which, is why I find you amusing and incredibly tedious. I wish you would read more, or try to present an original, truly mindblowing thought to the world. The Pixies Wave of Mutilation was sick. Why not try to create a Wave of Liberation that is sick? I don’t think you will, because I don’t see it inside of you. The cartoons are funny, but predictable – penis jokes, guys, penis jokes, are you effin kidding me? – and the prose and poetry are downright awful. I know you’re trying, but you have no culture, no alternative, nothing that speaks to our better angels, which is sad. You are channeling a genuine, authentic feeling – alienation, loneliness, spirtitual and geographic dislocation in a post-modern world are nothing new, kids – but what is your target? These are grand themes, and yet you choose to levy them at…..drumroll….please, the envelope, please what will you levy it at, my god, I wait with baited breath. The Keene City Council. HA! You have to be kidding me. That is a tragicomedy. You’re whole life, you have had this nagging feeling that something is not right, you uproot yourselves, leave behind friends and family, for what? Bird dogging 15 elected officials of a City of 28,000 people in a stated of 1.5 million people, more or less. Do you see the absurdity of your actions? It won’t matter. Even if you disrupt the local government process with your antics -and that is all they are, don’t kid yourself – what will you accomplish? Very little. Your ideas are vapid, but your souls aren’t, which I find to be sad and dispiriting. Reach into your soul, find something great there, and ask yourselves the bigger questions. Why are you here, why are we here? Surely, please, god, tell me, it isn’t to make life miserable for 15 people in a small town in a small state. If this is the best answer you can come up with, after all your alienation, after all of the pain that drove you to leave behind your entire life, then that would be a waste. Find something interesting to do with your time, something truly interesting, that you will be remembered for. The world is full of plenty of deluded white dudes who had the notion that they were going to re-create society, and only one of those dudes created a truly lasting legacy – Milton. Read Paradise Lost, listen to the Sex Pistols…therein you will find the true spirit of anarchy and rebellion. TA TA, frightened little bunnies.
Why don’t you guys move back to whatever place you came from.
No.
Keene doesn’t need you.
And you possess the vast intellect to know what 24,000 individuals need? My, I’m surprised you’re not running for city council with an attitude like that.
NH doesn’t need you.
… make that Governor.
The US doesn’t need you.
President! Boy, with this knowledge you possess as to who needs what, you can centrally plan everything!
Better yet – go create your own country on an island somewhere, a la “The Beach” and I’m sure that you’ll all turn on one another and kill yourselves off. What a blessing that would be! Could you make that a reality? Try working on that…
You’re a pretty twisted individual– advocating violence amongst you fellow man? Advocating that those who disagree with you (and are not free to do so) be brutalized? You need help, man.
Moreover, you need to look at your reasoning: you demand that we leave, but you have yet to prove any of what you support has legitimacy. You’re relying on inherently tautological reasoning, or for your lesser capable intellect, you’re assuming what you’re trying to prove.
By the way, the video that Sam produced is misleading (no surprise there since Sam and Ian and few others on here twist words to their irrational satisfaction). You guys decided to attend the last meeting in a series, which is where the vote occurs. The previous meetings are where discussion occurs.
So? Who gives a shit?
Take more rope, guys…in my opinion, you can’t hang yourselves fast enough!
You’re free to visit us at Social Sunday at Vendetta around 4. Come tell us how you feel to our face, and put your money where your mouth is. Bring us the rope, and find us a tree, and tell us how much you hate us with all of your indignant and impotent fury.
But you won’t, and that is the difference between us and you– you’re a peon, content with licking boots and being a servile animal, wishing the same barbarity that is used to make you cower in fear would be used on those who reject such uncivilized methods. We though… We’re in the realm of the living, we’re human. We’re not a dog that can be beaten into submission and called to heel. We have self-respect, whereas you have none.
I don’t get you. You insist upon acting like the little outpost in Western New Hampshire known as Keene invented all of this; you’re picking on the wrong town.
1. You think we’re picking on an abstraction? Man, we’re “picking” on people who think violence is the appropriate tool to solve problems. We’re treating animals– uncivilized mongrels –like they act towards their “fellow” man.
2. Keene is hardly an “outpost”. Don’t be disingenuous.
Why not go to Philly, where the constitution was signed?
Why should we?
Why not try to take over the Historical Museum of Jamestown (where people in real-life costumes walk around re-enacting the period of history that would eventually result in the establishment of early America)?
Again, why should we?
Why not something symbolic?
Because symbolism is subjective.
something grand?
Yeah, and not this shit hole that is Keene, mirite?
Keene is an outpost, a really nice outpost with decent people who try to keep City Government Open to the citizens of Keene (of which you are a member, whether or not you agree),
Actually, we’re not members of government, and that is probably the greatest and most terrible lie ever conceived. I am not the man who uses violence to achieve my desires. I am not the man who sits behind a desk and indiscriminately seizes property.
but it is nowhere near the beating heart of the so-called statist (not a realy word, btw) octopus that is gobbling up freedom and democracy as you view it.
1. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Statist — but that aside, statism is the antithesis of anarchism. If you’re not an anarchist, what are you? A statist. Duh.
2. Democracy has never been a goal of ours– it’s just as vile as any other form of government.
Where will this great wave of liberty lead?
Who knows. I don’t have the gift of extreme foresight.
Will it sweep over the nation?
Perhaps. Time will only tell.
Wither will you ride the great wave of liberty? will you surf the great wave of liberty? I know it’s fun to get worked up into hysterics thinking about how you are bringing down the man.
Ah, how patronizing of you.
Artists, really bad ones, try to craft some anti-man manifesto all the time; and, for the most part, it gets ignored. Why? Because it says nothing about the human soul.
Are you so dense as to think that a bureaucrat is a human? Humans think, they use reason, they love, they move with purpose, with courage. A bureaucrat has neither brain nor heart, so it cannot reason and it cannot have courage. A bureaucrat is naught but a tongue attached to a twisted and depraved doppelganger that they insist passes for a “soul:.
You keep trying to talk about individual liberty, but really you are trading in abstract comments that you don’t really fully understand.
What a bunch of psuedo-intellectual horseshit.
What does it mean to be alive? The greatest art deals with these questions; punk, while anti-authoritarian, was more about the need to self-actualize in a grinding industrial conformity machine. Shakespeare went so deep into understanding the human soul that if you tried to get there, you would feel terrified about what you found there.
Your emotional bleating is tiring. Please, give us something of substance.
Read King Lear, it will do you good. This sort of ambivalence about modernity is nothing new, and neither are you.
Uh, we know. We come from a long line of thought in regards to liberty and freedom.
Eutopians are part of america, and they always will be.
Jesus fuck wait a minute– we’re not utopians. No rational anarchist would ever say we’re utopian. Indeed, we’re realists– we reject the assertion that somehow by putting people into positions of power without consent that good can come of it.
It is you, you statists, who are the utopians. You think you can change human nature with your committees and your planning; we reject such a naive worldview.
But, your problem comes from the “us” vs. “them” mentality. Nothing that begins with the premise of promoting a foredrawn conclusion, a personal conviction that tries to tune out the hearts and feelings of others, will ever really succeed in animating the imaginations of the “other” that exists inside all of us.
What?
Which, is why I find you amusing and incredibly tedious.
And I think you’re an elitist prick who hasn’t got a fucking clue, or a grasp on grammar. This lack of paragraphs bullshit while try to be some wisdom filled sage is starting to nerve me the fuck out, but it’s just showing the kind of intellectual rigor you apply to your self.
I wish you would read more, or try to present an original, truly mindblowing thought to the world. The Pixies Wave of Mutilation was sick. Why not try to create a Wave of Liberation that is sick?
Read more what? Trash? Sorry, but we’re not here to appease your good artistic sensibilities. We have principles, we don’t sell out.
I don’t think you will, because I don’t see it inside of you.
Aww. My world is shattered.
The cartoons are funny, but predictable – penis jokes, guys, penis jokes, are you effin kidding me? – and the prose and poetry are downright awful.
Who gives a fuck?
I know you’re trying, but you have no culture, no alternative, nothing that speaks to our better angels, which is sad.
Wow, that’s what we’ve been missing! Culture, guys! Culture! We’ve had it all wrong the whole time!
You are channeling a genuine, authentic feeling – alienation, loneliness, spirtitual and geographic dislocation in a post-modern world are nothing new, kids – but what is your target? These are grand themes, and yet you choose to levy them at…..drumroll….please, the envelope, please what will you levy it at, my god, I wait with baited breath. The Keene City Council. HA! You have to be kidding me. That is a tragicomedy. You’re whole life, you have had this nagging feeling that something is not right, you uproot yourselves, leave behind friends and family, for what? Bird dogging 15 elected officials of a City of 28,000 people in a stated of 1.5 million people, more or less. Do you see the absurdity of your actions? It won’t matter. Even if you disrupt the local government process with your antics -and that is all they are, don’t kid yourself – what will you accomplish? Very little. Your ideas are vapid, but your souls aren’t, which I find to be sad and dispiriting. Reach into your soul, find something great there, and ask yourselves the bigger questions. Why are you here, why are we here? Surely, please, god, tell me, it isn’t to make life miserable for 15 people in a small town in a small state. If this is the best answer you can come up with, after all your alienation, after all of the pain that drove you to leave behind your entire life, then that would be a waste. Find something interesting to do with your time, something truly interesting, that you will be remembered for. The world is full of plenty of deluded white dudes who had the notion that they were going to re-create society, and only one of those dudes created a truly lasting legacy – Milton. Read Paradise Lost, listen to the Sex Pistols…therein you will find the true spirit of anarchy and rebellion. TA TA, frightened little bunnies.
I’m just going to skip over your psuedo-intellectual posturing and bleating, and get straight to the point– you imagine yourself some critic of art and humanity, recommending what we do to better understand our own philosophy, when you know nothing about it in the first place.
You’re a hack, and frankly, I pity you.
‘Keene’, ‘New Hampshire’ and ‘The United States of America’ are all fictions. How could they need or want anything at all? You’re thinking of things collectively. Try to think of things on an individual basis and liberty-lovers will better be able to understand you.
Liberty is greatness, period. It’s the ability to find your greatness and implement it. It’s a prerequisite.
I think you’ll have more luck if you refrain from so much ad hominem though.
“A bureaucrat has neither brain nor heart, so it cannot reason and it cannot have courage. A bureaucrat is naught but a tongue attached to a twisted and depraved doppelganger that they insist passes for a soul.”
That’s crazytalk. I’ve heard that once before, or at least the sentiment: “it puts the lotion in the basket.” Referring to another human in the abstract, hmmm? Crazy? I think soooo.
“Wow, that’s what we’ve been missing! Culture, guys! Culture! We’ve had it all wrong the whole time!”
Actually, no, you are missing girlfriends.
“2. Democracy has never been a goal of ours– it’s just as vile as any other form of government.”
I think a scene from the Big Lebowski summarizes this the most concisely.
[the Dude, Walter, and Donny walk out of the bowling alley, to find the three Nihilists waiting in front of the Dude's car, which has been torched]
The Dude: Well, they finally did it. They killed my fucking car.
Nihilist: Ve vant ze money, Lebowski.
Nihilist #2: Ja, uzzervize ve kill ze girl.
Nihilist #3: Ja, it seems you have forgotten our little deal, Lebowski.
The Dude: You don’t HAVE the effin girl, dipshits! We know you never did!
[the Nihilists, stunned, confer amongst themselves in German]
Donny: Are these the Nazis, Walter?
Walter Sobchak: No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there’s nothing to be afraid of.
Nihilist: Ve don’t care. Ve still vant ze money, Lebowski, or ve eff you up.
Walter Sobchak: eff you. eff the three of you.
The Dude: Hey, cool it Walter.
Walter Sobchak: No, without a hostage, there is no ransom. That’s what ransom is. Those are the effin rules.
Nihilist #2: His girlfriend gave up her toe!
Nihilist #3: She though we’d be getting million dollars!
Nihilist #2: Iss not fair!
Walter Sobchak: Fair! WHO’S THE effin NIHILIST HERE! WHAT ARE YOU, A BUNCH OF effin CRYBABIES?
The Dude Abides.
That’s crazytalk. I’ve heard that once before, or at least the sentiment: “it puts the lotion in the basket.” Referring to another human in the abstract, hmmm? Crazy? I think soooo.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Actually, no, you are missing girlfriends.
Oh, you’re so very clever. I bet you spent all day fuming at my post, and that was the best you could come up with.
I think a scene from the Big Lebowski summarizes this the most concisely.
*insert bullshit*
I’m not sure I understand– are you somehow equating us with nihilists? Because that would be way off kilter. I suggest maybe picking up some Stirner, Proudhon, or maybe even some de Clayre, and figuring out the various influences where we draw our philosophy from.
“Read Paradise Lost, listen to the Sex Pistols…therein you will find the true spirit of anarchy and rebellion.”
OH. I get it. All we have to do to be rebellious individuals is be exactly like them. Makes sense.
What’s great about all this is that the “Free” Staters are so utterly ineffective that their presence is like having an ongoing freak-show booth at a country fair. It doesn’t affect or harm anything, and it’s great entertainment. It’s all good.
What’s even more entertaining is ignorant Statists who knowingly embrace their violent slave system while mocking people who only want what the Founding Fathers intended for the people of this country i.e. life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Enjoy your laugh while you can. I can’t imagine you’ll feel much like doing it anymore when you’re practically swimming in liberty activists.
Name-calling is almost certainly not going to work for either side.
Also, it’s not about might (numbers of activists or supporters) but right (moral correctness of philosophy, actions).
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