Marlborough PD Cop Blocked

24 Comments on Marlborough PD Cop Blocked

tacticalchAos on Fri, 30th Jul 2010 4:02 pm


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Awesome. Wish more people would do this. I travel a lot and see cops violating traffic laws ALL the time. Wish I could find a video system for my car to record them while I’m driving.


trippwhyre on Fri, 30th Jul 2010 7:13 pm


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Great job, Adam. Rather than having to take the time to write an individual note each time you find a cop breaking the law, you should have notes typed-up beforehand. Better yet, have ticket-for-cops pad with duplicate copies. That way the forms are ready, you will have a copy for your records, and you won’t have to use the cop’s car as a writing tablet, which cops are most likely to use as an excuse to harass you or give YOU at ticket!


PaulO on Fri, 30th Jul 2010 7:23 pm


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It’s sad that cops paying no attention to parking laws has become so commonplace that Adam was able to accurately predict the meter wouldn’t be paid before he even crossed the street.

Unequal enforcement of laws is beginning to convince me this is a serfdom.

“The serfs must pay to do this, where the lord and his men do not. If a serf touches one of the king’s men, it is as an assault on the king himself and the serf is punished. The serfs must work in the land and give money to pay for the lords’ castles, warehouses, and for their men’s well-being. All for your own protection, of course. And, no Adam, you don’t have a choice in the matter. If you choose to not kiss my ring, there will be consequences.”

Maybe I should submit a guest blog post about this.


trippwhyre on Fri, 30th Jul 2010 10:39 pm


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Great points, PaulO. Don’t forget that copkillers are sentenced more harshly than mere serfkillers as our lives are less valuable. So much for the idea that “all men are created equal.” I guess a badge adds value to one’s life!


bil on Sat, 31st Jul 2010 7:59 am


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I rather think it has something to do with the cops being the ones that voluntarily put themselves into danger to protect the lives and property of complete strangers.While it is easy to complain about the police when you get a parking ticket or are pulled over for speeding,remember that when there is a bank robbery or there is a killer at large,while everyone else runs for cover,these guys are going the opposite way.They stand between you and the danger.While we may not always like some of the other things they do,and rightfully so,they do put their ass on the line for not a whole lot of money.And remember that the laws and rules they enforce are not written down at the station-elected ‘officials’ are the ones responsible.It is strange to me that the police are blamed for the laws,and people try to get them to ignore these laws,at the risk of their jobs,but those same people don’t get after the law makers.Maybe instead of a candle light vigil in front of a cops house,research who is responsible for the law in question,and camp out at their house.Go to the cause,not the effect. —bil


tacticalchAos on Sat, 31st Jul 2010 8:29 am


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bil, there are many instances where cops actually run the other way, too. often times, cops give the robber or attacker time to clear the scene before they make their appearance so they don’t have to confront the criminal for fear of their own lives. some are heroes, granted. most are not.


Bradley Jardis on Sat, 31st Jul 2010 10:10 am


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And remember that the laws and rules they enforce are not written down at the station-elected ‘officials’ are the ones responsible.

Bil,

Hopefully, by now you know I respect you a great deal. I have to respectfully completely disagree with you on this.

The police individually are the ONLY ones responsible for their own direct action. The legislators and courts sit off in the distance barking at the police telling them to use violence. The police are the only ones who are doing it though.

Slavery would have dissolved quite quickly if the police INDIVIDUALLY were not enforcing it.

I am personally responsible for every peaceful person I used aggression against. I don’t get to say “well the law said” to justify my own personal actions. I am directly responsible for what I did. The police are directly responsible for what they do.

Shirking responsibility is a popular thing. Ultimately, no one is responsible.


tacticalchAos on Sat, 31st Jul 2010 10:44 am


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I agree totally with Bradley. The excuse that police are “only enforcing the laws” was a weak moral argument when used by Nazi concentration camp guards and SS. It didn’t seem to have any more moral weight when after the Berlin Wall fell in 1989, former Stasi (East German State police) used the same argument in their trials that they were just following orders. Immoral is immoral, even if police hide behind laws to justify violence against peaceful people.


trippwhyre on Sat, 31st Jul 2010 11:12 am


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The old line “I’m just doing my job” is not an excuse. If someone finds himself saying that to justify actions that others are questioning, it’s time to find another job!!

Another thing, cops don’t protect people lives or property. They have no legal obligation to do so. “To protect and to serve” is just a PR slogan to increase funding. It’s not a job description.


Bradley Jardis on Sat, 31st Jul 2010 11:17 am


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trippwhyre,

CITIZEN: a native or naturalized person who owes allegiance to a government and is entitled to protection from it

Here are some cases showing that the government has no requirement that it protect anyone: http://www.endtimesreport.com/NO_AFFIRMATIVE_DUTY.htm

So. According to my logic…. we are not citizens.

What are we?


bil on Sat, 31st Jul 2010 11:59 am


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I am not excusing the behavior.Nor do I ignore personal responsibility.However,as it stands,the laws are still the laws until they are changed.You may not agree,that is your right,my right,everyones right.We also have the right to change them,or at least attempt to change them.It is the job of the officer to enforce them.I am certainly not condoning the forceful way that many of them are enforced.I also ignore the ones I feel are wrong or un Constitutional.I do so at my own risk-I know what can happen.
To compare this to the ‘just doing my duty’ and the German excuse is not valid,at least we haven’t gotten as far as that.(yet)Anyone that compares the present police in this country to the police/Gestapo of the Nazi years,has not read enough or talked to enough people that went through that.I can supply you with a large amount of reading if needed.
There are notable examples where there CAN be comparisons made.The murders of the innocents at Waco is one of the more famous.There are others.I also think these are abberations of policy,at least for now.I don’t think the average officer sets out to brutalise innocent people every day.They are doing what they feel is their duty.Occasionally there is one or two that see what the job really is,and resign.Example-Bradley.But they do not write the laws.They do not change them.When Bradley left his job,was there one less officer in that town,or did they get another?Bradley-in all the time you were an officer,did you do NOTHING that you are proud of?Was your time spend constantly engaged in violent acts,or did some good come out of it?And did other officers do the same?
And yes,I know there are officers that will wait until it is safe before entering a dangerous situation.And there are others that will put their lives on the line,and all for a fairly meager salary.It is unfair to lump them all together and tar them with the same brush.We need to make changes before it reaches the point that Germany did.It is very important we pay attention to the bigger picture,the situations are becoming too much alike for the rise of a similar society.Look carefully into 1930s and you will see many of the same things.We live in dangerous times. —bil


trippwhyre on Sat, 31st Jul 2010 12:23 pm


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“Here are some cases showing that the government has no requirement that it protect anyone: http://www.endtimesreport.com/NO_AFFIRMATIVE_DUTY.htm

So. According to my logic…. we are not citizens.

What are we?” Bradley Jardis

“…the affirmative duty to protect arises not from the State’s knowledge of the individual’s predicament or from its expressions of intent to help him, but from the limitations which it has imposed on his freedom to act on his own behalf, through imprisonment, institutionalization, or other similar restraint of personal liberty…”

Excellent point! I suppose from the government’s point of view, that would make us subjects. For our point of view, that would make us freemen and freewomen, i.e. sovereign individuals.


Bradley Jardis on Sat, 31st Jul 2010 12:29 pm


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Excellent point! I suppose from the government’s point of view, that would make us subjects. For our point of view, that would make us freemen and freewomen, i.e. sovereign individuals.

I must give credit to this idea to Ian…. He’s the one who pointed this out to me.

But I think the point of view that matters is the point of view of the people with the weapons and willingness to use them. That’s not us.


PaulO on Sat, 31st Jul 2010 12:40 pm


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Bil, there are many men and women who voluntarily put their lives on the line for meager pay that aren’t treated like royalty on the job nor when they die while providing that service for complete strangers (ever been to a police funeral?). Here are some examples:

Most dangerous jobs and salaries for 2008, fatalities per 100,000 workers:

#1 Fisherman: 129 fatalities. Salary: $27,950

#2, Logger: 116 fatalities. Salary: $30,360

#3, Airplane pilot: 72 fatalities. Salary: $111,680

#4, Structural construction worker: 46 fatalities. Salary: $47,170

#5, Farmer/rancher: 40 fatalities. Salary: $49,140

#6, Sanitation worker: 37 fatalities. Salary: $32,790

#7, Roofer: 34 fatalities. Salary: $37,430

#8, Power line installer: 30 fatalities. Salary: $54,300

#9, Oil and gas driller: 24 fatalities. Salary: $37,400

#10, Merchant mariner: 23 fatalities. Salary: $61,960

Tied #11, Truck driver: 22 fatalities. Salary: $37,580

Tied #11, Coal miner: 22 fatalities. Salary: $46,540

#13, Taxi and limousine driver: 21 fatalities. Salary: $25,820

Tied #14, Construction equipment operator: 16 fatalities. Salary: $43,630

Tied #14, Police officer: 16 fatalities. Salary: $51,410

In fact, a large percentage of Police Officer fatalities are automobile related. 2008 was the 11th consecutive year that more officers were killed in traffic-related incidents than from any other cause. More than 61% of that year’s fatalities involved accidents and 39% resulted from criminal acts.


Russell Kanning on Sat, 31st Jul 2010 1:00 pm


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good job on the video
and great posts guys

cops hurt and steal


Luthor on Sat, 31st Jul 2010 1:19 pm


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Maybe instead of only protesting when cops are hurting people, we should celebrate them when they’re being good Peace Officers. That seems more constructive, and not as negative. I’m not saying we shouldn’t blow the whistle when an individual acts immorally, but without positive reinforcement, we could be sending the wrong message. So maybe the next time the cops thwart a robbery, we should send them a card saying thanks (with reservations to how they fund their work) for stopping violent people. (Not that violence can be solved by more violence)

Just an idea to start kicking around.


Bradley Jardis on Sat, 31st Jul 2010 1:56 pm


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To compare this to the ‘just doing my duty’ and the German excuse is not valid,at least we haven’t gotten as far as that.(yet)Anyone that compares the present police in this country to the police/Gestapo of the Nazi years,has not read enough or talked to enough people that went through that.

The comparison of the resulting evil is nowhere close Bil.

The comparison of the mechanism of how the evil is implemented is EXACTLY the same.

Do you deny this?


tacticalchAos on Sat, 31st Jul 2010 2:04 pm


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Bil,

We don’t need to look all the way back the the 1930′s. How about the 1980′s in the East Bloc. I lived through that. I know what that was about. I also had many friends who lived through the 1930′s – some were silent and said nothing (complicit) as their neighbors disappeared into the night, while yet others were targeted by the police. You can’t say there is no analogy. Trust me, there are examples and I see them here. I can’t believe this country is heading in that same direction as socialist Europe and that there are people who want it. They obviously do not know history and so will be doomed to repeat it. It gets back to the same issue – people wanting power and control over other people’s lives and property. As for me, I will take a stand regardless of criticism or worse.

postscript: Bradley is absolutely correct, the mechanism of how the evil is implemented is the SAME! You are trying to divert attention to this fact. But again, let’s just look at more recent history under socialism in Europe.


Russell Kanning on Sat, 31st Jul 2010 4:01 pm


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some of us are not interested in government “peace officers”
i think that is a fantasy that cannot exist
it is not their job description
they might as well quit the government and be peace livers


Paul on Sat, 31st Jul 2010 4:27 pm


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Maybe instead of only protesting when cops are hurting people, we should celebrate them when they’re being good Peace Officers. That seems more constructive, and not as negative. I’m not saying we shouldn’t blow the whistle when an individual acts immorally, but without positive reinforcement, we could be sending the wrong message. So maybe the next time the cops thwart a robbery, we should send them a card saying thanks (with reservations to how they fund their work) for stopping violent people. (Not that violence can be solved by more violence)

Just an idea to start kicking around.

Great suggestion! Positive reinforcement for people who do the right thing is very important.


Bradley Jardis on Sat, 31st Jul 2010 4:29 pm


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Great suggestion! Positive reinforcement for people who do the right thing is very important

As I’ve said before…. letter of thanks to police agency directors.

I got a letter back from the Colonel of the NH State Police saying he was placing my letter of thanks in the troopers personnel file…. as an example of her professionalism.


trippwhyre on Sat, 31st Jul 2010 8:59 pm


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PaulO,
I have nothing against the people who do the dangerous jobs that you listed; however, to view them as people who are putting their lives on the line for complete strangers is a bit romantic, far-fetched and quixotic. They are just doing jobs to make money. I bear no animosity towards them, but, at the same time, I owe them no special gratitude. My paying for their services and products is all I owe them and all they really want. People who say I became a “whatever” because I want to help people are being dramatic or dishonest. I don’t buy it. If you want to help people you can carry groceries for old ladies or become a scout leader. People do their jobs for money, and there’s nothing wrong with that.

Regarding offering police officers positive reinforcement, I think by doing so we would be actually fighting against our own cause. If the state = violence, and said violence is carried out by cops, then their entire profession is rooted in violence. Anything good they may do on the job is just “collateral goodness” and just serves as good public relations material to continue to dupe the masses. It’s the same thing with US soldiers fighting overseas. People call them “peace keepers”. They bomb the bejeezus out of countries, kick in doors, confiscate guns, etc. and then because they build schools and water systems, they are supposed to get “positive reinforcement”? Sorry but no.
The only cops that deserve positive reinforcement are the ones that see the light and actually leave the force, like Brad.


Bradley Jardis on Sat, 31st Jul 2010 9:06 pm


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My paying for their services and products is all I owe them and all they really want.

Your use of the word “owe” makes me cringe

The only cops that deserve positive reinforcement are the ones that see the light and actually leave the force, like Brad.

Aw.


Eric on Thu, 12th Aug 2010 1:37 am


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I think this is great. It reminds me of a few years ago when I was working up in Durham, NH. I was in the Durham Marketplace parking lot eating a bagel when a cop car rolled in. The officer parked in one of two handicapped spaces in a virtually empty lot. In fact, the space next to the handicapped space was also vacant. She went in and came out 10 minutes later with a bagel and coffee and then went on her way. It sickens me that some, certainly not all, officers treat their badge as a right to do what they want.

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