Keene Police Shut Down Little Girl’s Limeade & Ice Cream Stand

disgusting display of cowardice on the part of the KPD. Also a complete lack of understanding of what public property really is. What these douchebags do understand is using force on people to get their way.

Disgusting. I hope they someday stop bothering little girls selling lemonade and others doing equally harmful activities.

only an inhuman asshole would do something like this. Time for debate is over.

you guys should be getting major league mental health help – do you not have anything better to do with your lives? i'm not a big fan of the Keene Police Dept. – but you are the ones looking like jerks, not them

Great quote andrew.

Yeah, I do sympathize with Peter, and I appreciate his willingness to think and discuss. The whole reason they were out there is absolutely absurd and immoral, but at least their manner is far superior to most police departments.

It really must be hard to have a job you've invested a lot in, and to be faced with the choice of doing what you know to be right, or keeping your job.

I bet he could keep it, though, and still choose not participate in B.S. like this. For example, he could end this by simply saying, "Ok, but make sure you don't get in the way of the folks over there … if I get a complaint from them, I'm going to have to come back out".

Peace officers resolve problems and protect innocents. They don't create conflicts where none existed. I urge Peter and others to be peace officers.

I hope that little girl grows up recognizing who it was that threatened her safety and who it was that stood up to defend her.

Brad, yes, good people can break bad laws. In some cases, should break.

We agree on that… we disagree as to volume, methods, and many other variables in that equation. The chemistry/physics/science of pro-liberty activism is still being written. Freedom is either a wave or a particle and sometimes both, sometimes neither – Who will be our Einstein? Who will be our Heisenberg? If a liberty activist is in jail, is he alive or dead, or both at once, until he's released? Can we measure the position and the velocity of a bill as it speeds thru the legislature, without affecting it's outcome?

dan anchor said, "you guys should be getting major league mental health help"

Dan, would you be happier if these guys were put into an asylum and constantly drugged into a stupor, then you'd no longer have to be bothered by them? That was a favorite tactic of the USSR.

More likely you just find it easier to dismiss ideas that you aren't accustomed to as crazy, rather than being troubled with considering them.

Suggested reading: Who are the real "crazies" in our political culture?
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald…

How can you "work within the system" when the rules are changed at will? It's okay to set up market in Railroad Sq. Someone there said it was okay. Then it is not okay because someone else (who had the power to use deadly force to achieve compliance) said so.

People that some of who would likely be seriously hampered caring for themselves, were denied the opportunity to make money that day. No penalties will ever be levied against the cops that shut the operations down will be collected. You can count on that even if it is later proven that the police were totally in the wrong.

Would I be wrong if I came to where you made your living, and prevented you from making any more money that day? I would, but you would not. Why is that?

Oh, that's right, simply because it is me. In your book I have none, simply because you say I have no "rights". You are presuming yourself to be better than me and if that is so, just what is so special about you that you should be able to do what you want and I can't?

As someone who ran a lemonade stand as a kid ( with the neighbors kids along the public thoroughfare), This is complete bullshit. I remember us being out there all day for hours going through tons and tons of lemonade. For some reason it was fun! Was it ok then because it was in close proximity to our houses? What if someone sells at the end of their private business right before the sidewalk? Is it only a crime when its in the street or public sidewalk?

More here: http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/63…

I also recently bought snocones sold by a mexican street vendor on a hot day on a probably public sidewalk just outside a shopping center. I think individuals working hard to make a buck should be supported.

You're desperate enough to pull the "Poor Children" card now?

Last I heard from your radio station, obviously very low powered, so you wouldn't have to get a license, you didn't like the "Poor Children" card.

…Unless it fits your needs…….

Dennis on Sun, 8th Aug 2010 4:31 am

This was a definite set up, shame on the lot of ya bastards.

So if the girl had paid her extortion money to the gooberment, then it would have made it impossible for her to spike the lemonade with "window cleaner"? You can't be serious. In your very weird world this permit would have magical powers and would do the following:

This same permit would keep her from being stung by bees, trampled by buffaloes, would spread magical pixie dust on her to shield her from the effects of thunderstorms.

It would also keep her from being mauled by bears, ripped off by customers, and would magically make an ambulance appear if she gets a splinter in her finger.

Your love for the state is an unrequited one, Dennis. It never had any skills to make us all safe from harm, real or imagined simply for buying a piece of paper. You don't want to hear this Dennis because you are suffering from denial of your abuser (you know, the state) and what it has done to you.

Your abuser told you not to hang out with "Free Staters" and other liberty activists because it wants to control you. It wants to smack you around "to keep you in line", takes your money whether you feel it belongs to you or not, and convinces you that you are not "good enough" to be or live free. It does this because you just might find someone who loves and respects you if you go outside it's coercive control and make new friends.

Now any ordinary abuser would be easily recognized by a person who rejects violence, and thus quickly removed from their life. Yet not the government, as it must satisfy some very odd need in you to be held in such unearned high esteem.

Perhaps government satisfies your need to be pushed around and have your pockets emptied? If so, I'm feeling very fortunate to not have such violently strange needs in my life. If you don't have the guts to free yourself from such a horrible monster, then please don't blame us for wanting the nasty beast out of our lives.

I suppose it never occurred to you that they haven't ever made any movies that would feature a guy like you in it. You know the guy that points a finger at people while telling them that they are bad dudes indeed, because they won't let Godzilla eat them.

Chaz Munro

I so wish I had your intilect! I wish I could argue the points as well as you do!! Cant waite till I move to NH!!

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OVER-EDUCATED IGNORAMUS ALERT: ……………………………………………………..Seth Cohn on Sat, 7th Aug 2010 3:48 pm

Brad, yes, good people can break bad laws. In some cases, should break.

We agree on that… we disagree as to volume, methods, and many other variables in that equation. The chemistry/physics/science of pro-liberty activism is still being written. Freedom is either a wave or a particle and sometimes both, sometimes neither – Who will be our Einstein? Who will be our Heisenberg? If a liberty activist is in jail, is he alive or dead, or both at once, until he’s released? Can we measure the position and the velocity of a bill as it speeds thru the legislature, without affecting it’s outcome?

Seth Cohn, here's my 2cents worth. Einstein was an idiot. He couldn't wrap his head around Heisenbergs' Uncertainty Principle. The cat, which is both ALIVE, and DEAD, is Erwin Schroedingers' cat. Heisenbergs' Principle, Schroedingers' Cat. Got that? Good. Next time you want to explain something, use a referrent other than quantum/sub-atomic/high energy particle physics. And if you're gonna go with the PHYSICS, do your homework first.

I don't have a problem with kids setting up a lemonade stand but we need to look at the facts.

1) Their is private and public property.

2) people cannot do just anything they like on public or even private property.

3) Do vendors have the right to setup on the sidewalk in front of your house?

4) Do people have the right to smelt iron ore on their front lawn?

We have laws and rules to preserve the peace, safety, and nature of residential neighborhoods – that is perfectly in keeping with sane and rational rules and laws. The business licensing law is something different.

The police officer should have said that vendor's aren't allowed to set up just anywhere they like, particularly in a residential neighborhood. (But I'll turn my head for this little lemonade stand. However if anyone complains I would have to ask you to take it down).

The self-righteous libertarian should have known he did not have a legitimate case to be made other than to say "you know it's just some kids with a small lemonade stand. Maybe you could just let it go if you don't mind me asking".

1) Their is private and public property.

Yes, people were forced to pay taxes and I disagree with coercion and taxes as the way in which to bring about useful public infrastructure and amenities. However, allowing for a potential free-for-all on public property after the fact doesn’t make any sense – it in no way serves to address the original wrong of forced public payments.

The logic that your use would result in a nonsensical public free-for-all on public property. Some examples you might consider:

1) It becomes permissible for vending carts to be lined up in front of the entire length of a public sidewalk in front of someone’s home as long as people in general can comfortably walk by. And if the neighborhood becomes really popular, you’ll have information booths from realtors, brokers, travel agents, etc, all over a residential area.

2) A person with a place of business such as a plumbing store, coffee shop, etc, will have to deal with one or more competitors sending up vending stalls in front of the store on the public sidewalk.

3) Anyone who was forced to pay taxes has a right to set up a vendor stall not only in front of a public library but also in the middle of the library, city hall, etc, based on the logic you use.