Locals Form FK Opposition Facebook Group, Plan Protest
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
-Mahatma Gandhi
After finally showing up at this week’s city council meeting to protest liberty activists, locals who oppose FK’s “methods” have formed a facebook group and planned a protest for Monday August 23rd at 5pm at Central Square.
Exactly what methods they oppose are not made clear. FK supports all peaceful methods of achieving a voluntary society including civil disobedience and noncooperation, media creation, outreach, and political action. Do they oppose all of these? Discussions are occurring on their facebook group and also the Free Keene Forum.
I’d like to thank opposition group founder Annie Callaway for encouraging her participants to join the Free Keene Forum. More conversation between us is a good thing. The FK Forum is a tolerant place where we only prohibit violence and racism. We shall see if their facebook group is as tolerant as our forum. The last facebook group that was formed to oppose FK kicked out anyone they could identify as being associated with Free Keene. However, that group was formed by someone else, not Annie. I welcome the discussion.
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46 Comments on Locals Form FK Opposition Facebook Group, Plan Protest
It’s Callaway. I don’t think she has any reason to change her last name.
James,
Would you like to sit down with me sometime completely off-the-record and talk about stuff?
I think I have an interesting perspective on what FK is trying to do….. having come the furthest of anyone else who writes here.
Puke,
They are not protesting anything. They are demonstrating.
They will be demonstrating ways in which they wish their community to be represented.
As stated in the group description, they don’t believe that Free Keene should not have the right to protest in the manners they see fit or effective, but that doesn’t mean they can’t let the rest of the public know that most citizens in Keene find a lot of the Free Keene people’s personal conduct to be a negative way to represent our community.
In response to some of Ian’s queries in the original post, I think that you will find many of the people in this group do not actually have a problem with the laws and regulations Free Keene has chosen to protest, merely they are upset with the *ways* they are protesting.
Also, as you can see, the group is open, and Free Keene participation is encouraged…there has already been some!
Sorry James, fixed it.
What ways are objectionable, Holy? Do you object to civil disobedience?
Yay! FK has your attention. Mission accomplished!
Ian,
I, personally do not object to civil disobedience as long as it is done tactfully, in a way that generates more positive response to your cause than negative.
I believe that the civil disobedience many Free Keene people have engaged in drew attention to their cause, yes, but people who saw what they were doing were then more likely to sympathize with the *opposite* of what they were hoping.
I think in the long run, a lot of FK’s civil disobedience has not only damaged Keene’s image, but damaged their chances of actually affecting change.
Ian, you don’t seem to understand the whole apology thing. Anne deserves your apology, not me.
He misspelled her name. Get over it James.
He said he was sorry. I just pointed out that his apology was to the wrong person. Get over it, Branden.
He said he was sorry. I just pointed out that his apology was to the wrong person. Get over it, Branden.
It’s Brandon. I don’t think he has any reason to change his first name.
Oops, Thinkliberty, it’s called sarcasm. Next time I’ll point out the jokes for the slower folks. Sorry.
That was one.
You being a hypocrite is kind of funny. Not in a sarcastic way.
Thanks for posting. 
BTW, don’t apologize to me apologize to Brandon.
And that was Hypocritical how? I’ll put the bow down for a while. Too easy to play you people like a fiddle.
You could have just let it be, James. It was remedied quickly. Had she pointed it out, I’d have apologized to her.
“You people”?
You continue to collectivize the people here. You called it a “technicality” earlier when I stated that “Free Keene” cannot act and that only individuals can.
To me that’s a huge distinction, but I understand why you refuse to hold individuals accountable for their actions and instead group them all together. Otherwise you might have to acknowledge we’re all different instead of some sort of amorphous collective mass with the exact same properties.
You aren’t your daughter or Holy_canole, or anyone else, you are just you.
Ian, I am James. The one in the video. Don’t know who holy canole is. My daughter can speak for herself. Saying you apologized to the wrong person was meant as a little jab. A joke at your expense, but a joke none the less. Too bad you can’t see when someone is playing you for a fool, using the same sorts of tactics you use. Like Brandon said, get over it.
James your petty arguments aren’t serving your cause.
Oh! You got me! What a brilliant wit!
Your daughter is a lot more friendly than you, James. Maybe you should take some cues from her.
Annie (James’ daughter, the founder of the new facebook group) is looking to open a dialog with liberty activists.
James calls them fools and morons.
Which do you think will be more successful at building bridges?
Keep playing your broken fiddle James. It’s too bad you can’t see when you are being a douche bag.
It’s kind of amusing in a car accident kind of way. Tell all your friends to read Free Keene, they can watch you be a douche bag while we bring them the message of non-violent peaceful evolution. It’s win-win.
I’ll play along with you, to keep it interesting for your friends in the keep Keene from freedom movement.
I think I’m starting to understand why Sam got upset with James.
Sorry. Humor doesn’t always come across well in text land. I should have realized that. I was wrong, and took it too far.
I agree, James. Not much regarding subtlety or inflection can come across in text. Apology accepted.
I, personally do not object to civil disobedience as long as it is done tactfully, in a way that generates more positive response to your cause than negative.
Well said, I agree wholeheartedly.
I think Annie is building bridges already.
I had mentioned earlier today that I was concerned that her original Facebook page may incite people to violence if it were misinterpreted in some ghastly way by “Keene citizens”. Annie asked Brandon for help on changing a facebook name then prompting her to finally change the name of the group.
Less than 24 hrs in operation and already adversaries are helping one another. Peace shall come to the lands, if we work at it enough.
If you wish to change things, change them. But please stop making yourself look silly and Keene look bad in the National media by playing your drinking games, parading topless women around downtown and using an illegal drug in a place where children and their parents go.
Personally I feel that the only thing that needs to be changed in Keene is the way the City Council wastes the taxpayers money. Find a way to fix that and you will win more supporters than you have now.
I am already free
If you must ask permission of your masters the government, and pay them a fee, before you can build a porch on your own home, on your own property, are you free?
If you must ask permission of your masters the government, and pay them a fee, before you can trade goods or services with your neighbors, are you free?
If your masters the government takes nearly half of the fruit of your labor by force, and hands much of it to their buddies in industry and federal bureaucracies, are you free?
If your masters the government can force you to kill and die in their wars, even if you find them immoral, and does routinely force you to fund them, on threat of being caged, are you free?
If your masters the government will kick you out of your home if you fail to send them checks on a regular basis, are you free?
If your masters the government will cage you if you put something in your own body that they don’t approve of, even if you harm nobody else, are you free?
If your masters the government can force you to use their currency, and then inflate that currency in order to fund their own ambitions and pay off their buddies, are you free?
If your masters the government will throw you in a cage if you try to compete with them in any industry they’ve chosen to monopolize, including mail services, or alcohol retail, are you free?
If your masters the government can make themselves “immune” from having to compensate you for damages they cause you, and “pardon” themselves, are you free?
If your masters the government can kick you off your land and give it to someone else, simply because they want to, or it will bring them more tax revenue, are you free?
If you wish to change things, change them. But please stop making yourself look silly …
I also disagree with some of the chosen methods of activism, and I think activists should take care to be considerate of others.
Personally I feel that the only thing that needs to be changed in Keene is the way the City Council wastes the taxpayers money. Find a way to fix that and you will win more supporters than you have now.
Amen on that one brother! Perhaps a list could be compiled, of wasteful spending to be targeted, and a concerted effort could be made to raise awareness and lobby the KCC to end those programs — and make sure they’re bellwether issues in elections. Don’t let anyone keep their seat who votes for them.
Or sister, I don’t mean to assume anything 
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
-Mahatma Gandhi
Do you really win? I put my life on the line to protect the freedoms I have as am American citizen. You believe in nonviolent solutions to trivial problems. Why not make your change by running for office, presenting your ideas to an elected body, fight for change through legislation, and when the change you want is made, inform everyone of your hard work. You and your group will actually become respected members of society, instead of the scorned troublemakers that people think you are.
“But please stop making yourself look silly and Keene look bad in the National media by playing your drinking games, parading topless women around downtown and using an illegal drug in a place where children and their parents go.”
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What about protesting the war? Does that make Keene look bad to you?
I bet it does to some.
And the cliched “for the children” argument. Children and their parents are everywhere. To say that responsibly using a product for one’s enjoyment where “children and their parents are” is ridiculous.
Parents and children go to buffets to become obese or to ball games and watch
adults get drunk and act like complete assholes.
Control your own life, not others.
In response to comments from Paul:
1. “If you must ask permission of your masters the government, and pay them a fee, before you can build a porch on your own home, on your own property, are you free?”
Yes, I am free. I am buying a building permit which includes the services of the Building Inspector. The building Inspector (I believe they are now called code Enforcement Officers) will make sure that I or my chosen contractor will be constructing a safe porch. I’ve seen the work that unlicensed and un-permitted contractors have done. I want someone to oversee the construction of a house or a porch so I don’t get my ass sued if someone falls through the floor.
2. “If your masters the government takes nearly half of the fruit of your labor by force, and hands much of it to their buddies in industry and federal bureaucracies, are you free?”
Yes, I am free. I actually am one of the few people in this world that does not mind paying my taxes. Because of the way I have structured my financial situation, I pay much less in Federal Income Tax than other people earning the same amount of money I earn. New Hampshire has a real issue with the incredibly high property taxes, and they really need to come up with a better way to fund the school system. But because I want to own property in Keene I pay more taxes than I prefer. But I have the option to not own property. I had a choice, and I chose to own my home and land, and 1 or 2 income properties. Freedom of Choice. I choose to own property, so I choose to pay the taxes on those properties i do own.
3. “If your masters the government can force you to kill and die in their wars, even if you find them immoral, and does routinely force you to fund them, on threat of being caged, are you free?”
Back when I was approaching the time where I was supposed to register for the draft (mid to late 70′s), President Ford signed a law that effectively ended having to register for the draft. President Regan signed a law reinstating draft registration, and making it retroactive to men that were 18 in 1978 or 1979 (I can\’t remember the exact year, and I can;t be bothered to do the research to find the correct year), Luckily I did not turn 18 in either of those years, so I got a bonus. so I was indeed free not to serve or go to war. As far as paying taxes to fund war, see my comments above.
4. “Amen on that one brother! Perhaps a list could be compiled, of wasteful spending to be targeted, and a concerted effort could be made to raise awareness and lobby the KCC to end those programs — and make sure they’re bellwether issues in elections. Don’t let anyone keep their seat who votes for them.”
The biggest waste of taxpayer money in Keene in the last 10 years in my opinion was the purchase of the former Supervalu warehouse on Marlboro Street. The original intent was to house the Police, fire and Public Works departments in one building, supposedly to save costs on renovating properties that were too old to be maintained or expanded to accommodate current needs. It was announced in the Sentinel that they city was interested in the property. They actually allowed the property to be sold to a company, who then resold it to the city of Keene for about $1.5 million than they bought it for. Then once the city owned the building, the fire department decided they weren’t moving, and they needed a new fire station so they could maintain their “response times”. So about $7 million later we have a building with the police and public works boys on either end, and a great big empty chunk of taxpayer dollars in the middle. so, $10 or so for the Marlboro Street property, then another $10 to build a new fire station in one of the few parking lots that serve downtown. I have referred to this many times as “Blastos’ Boondoggle” but no one wanted to listen until it was too late.
Don’t get me started on the waste of money the Marlboro/Winchseter/Main Street traffic circle was.
Start by stopping the waste in local government, then once you have proved that you can accomplish the big things, then you can change the small stuff like public drinking.
As for me, I know there were more things to reply to, but as I am a Free Man, I think I will go sit on the back porch I had built by a licensed contractor and inspected and certified safe by the Building Inspector, and smoke a cigarette, drink some coffee and listen to the sounds of a free country.
James,
I didn’t see a response from you. Wanna fire me an e-mail? bjardis@gmail dot com
As for me, I know there were more things to reply to, but as I am a Free Man, I think I will go sit on the back porch I had built by a licensed contractor and inspected and certified safe by the Building Inspector, and smoke a cigarette, drink some coffee and listen to the sounds of a free country.
How do you think those sounds of freedom would seem if you chose to smoke a joint?
Shouldn’t you have the right to ingest into your own body whatever substance you so choose? Wouldn’t that be a right reflective of a free person in a free country?
You do realize that the violent monopoly you so seem to defend could easily ban tobacco… and don’t think that hasn’t been considered or isn’t capable of ever happening. Tobacco is after all the most dangerous drug in the United States. The FDA just got the legal authority to regulate tobacco for the first time ever. What happens when the FDA finds a dangerous product on the market that provably kills people?
What about the most abused drug in the United States: caffeine? Your coffee drinking could some day be in jeopardy as well.
How would you feel about your freedom if those two substances you so enjoy were banned? I would be furious about it because I think YOU should have the right to do whatever you want… so long as you don’t harm or endanger someone else.
I’ll stand up for your rights to smoke tobacco (which I think is disgusting) and drink coffee (which I think is harmful) because I support your right to treat your body as if it actually belonged to you.
Veteran of 2 wars: Have run wasting your time trying to change the system from within please let us know how that goes. (I bet is nothing will change for the better)
Instead I’ll keep living free not hurting anyone else and if the system (and those whom support it) don’t like it to bad.
To Bradley Jardis:
“How do you think those sounds of freedom would seem if you chose to smoke a joint?”
They would sound the same. If I like I can choose to smoke a joint on my back porch. I do not choose to smoke a joint. It’s my choice as a Free person.
“How would you feel about your freedom if those two substances you so enjoy were banned? I would be furious about it because I think YOU should have the right to do whatever you want… so long as you don’t harm or endanger someone else.”
Do you really see tobacco and coffee being banned anytine in the near future? I do not see the government banning them, so your question and statement is jusy a fairy tale. Again I choose to use tobacco and coffee. I also choose to drink distilled spirits, which I purchase from the State Liquor Store. Again freedom to choose what I do with my life.
“I’ll stand up for your rights to smoke tobacco (which I think is disgusting) and drink coffee (which I think is harmful) because I support your right to treat your body as if it actually belonged to you.”
You have the right to think that tobacco and coffee are harmful to your health. As for me, I consider these items as food that I can legally purchase at pretty much any store I patronize. Your joint is an illegal substance (which many feel should be legal) which is bought from someone that buys it from someone that either grows it for profit, or from someone connected with organized crime who may steal or murder for a profit.
Again, while I disagree with the issues you and your little group are challenging, you have the right of free speech and I would not take that away from anyone. But your responses here and in other places have me believing that your little group thinks their beleifs are more important than the beliefs of others, and you are willing to do whatever you want to deny the right of free speech to anyone that disagrees with you.
I am a free man, I choose to live the way I like. I have had no problems with the police or the city or the state or the federal government trying to take my coffee, cigarettes or my 4 properties away from me. Because i worked hard for 30 years, I am now able to retire at a relatively young age, and enjoy what I have. If hard work and a respect for myself and for society bothers you and the others in your group, then that’s too bad for you. I’m happy and will be happy with my life and my choices because I was free to make the choices i made.
Life as a Free Person. I live it. I don’t complain about it.
Speaking of Freedom, I’m going to spend the next 3 weeks on vacation, enjoying the sounds of nature while smoking a cigarette and sipping on a nice cold beer on the porch of my cottage on a nice clean lake while watching the sun set. I will be free from the sounds of your group and it’s convoluted hippie logic.
That is the sound of freedom, and I like it!
Yes, I am free. I am buying a building permit which includes the services of the Building Inspector. The building Inspector (I believe they are now called code Enforcement Officers) will make sure that I or my chosen contractor will be constructing a safe porch. I’ve seen the work that unlicensed and un-permitted contractors have done. I want someone to oversee the construction of a house or a porch so I don’t get my ass sued if someone falls through the floor.
If you want their services, feel free to buy them. But, you shouldn’t be forced to do so.
Yes, I am free. I actually am one of the few people in this world that does not mind paying my taxes.
So then choose to send them you rmoney. I never said you shouldn’t be allowed to, just that you shouldn’t be forced to — nor should I.
Because of the way I have structured my financial situation, I pay much less in Federal Income Tax than other people earning the same amount of money I earn.
Great, you have less of your labor extorted from you than other serfs. Break out the confetti. Master works you a little less hard than the other slaves, guess that means you’re free.
New Hampshire has a real issue with the incredibly high property taxes, and they really need to come up with a better way to fund the school system.
Yeah, like not stealing. You know, actually selling the service. But then, they probably couldn’t ream people for 15K per student per year, in order to fund their fat pensions and huge administrative buildings.
Having to actually earn business is such a drag. Using guns to fundraise is much easier.
But because I want to own property in Keene I pay more taxes than I prefer. But I have the option to not own property. I had a choice, and I chose to own my home and land, and 1 or 2 income properties. Freedom of Choice. I choose to own property, so I choose to pay the taxes on those properties i do own.
What a bunch of B.S. These men and women have no right to extort money from everyone who owns property. It’s like a thief saying, “I only rob liquor stores. Those people had the option of not buying a liquor store. Freedom of choice. They choose to own liquor stores, they choose to get robbed”.
Heck, southern slaves could have killed themselves, so I guess that was all ok too. “They chose to live. Freedom of Choice. They chose to live, they chose to live as slaves.”
Can you engage your brain honestly for a moment? You can’t seriously believe this hogwash you’re spouting.
Back when I was approaching the time where I was supposed to register for the draft (mid to late 70’s), President Ford signed a law that effectively ended having to register for the draft. President Regan signed a law reinstating draft registration, and making it retroactive to men that were 18 in 1978 or 1979 (I can\’t remember the exact year, and I can;t be bothered to do the research to find the correct year), Luckily I did not turn 18 in either of those years, so I got a bonus. so I was indeed free not to serve or go to war.
Well lucky for you then. Guess you don’t care about anyone else …
As far as paying taxes to fund war, see my comments above.
I don’t recall where you said you were exempt from having to pay taxes for war. Oh, right, you chose to have shelter for your head, so therefore you “consented”. Apparently placing a condition on theft makes it all A-OK. Perhaps I should start extorting money from everyone in the neighborhood who chooses to buy a car.
Oh, that’s right, if anyone else were to send threatening letters demanding cash, they’d get thrown in jail.
Start by stopping the waste in local government, then once you have proved that you can accomplish the big things, then you can change the small stuff like public drinking.
I agree with you there, that that’s a far more important issue. Hey, if you can identify examples of current or future waste, I know I’d do my best to publicize them. I bet a lot of people here would …
and listen to the sounds of a free country
Yeah, the “free” country that has more people incarcerated per capita than any other on earth. The one with a group of men and women who extort almost half of everyone’s labor for them and hand much of it to their corrupt buddies in big banks, industry, and bureacracy. The one where the same group of men and women dictate what people can put in their own bodies. The one where paramilitary raids are launched against peaceful people on a routine basis. Here are some of the botched ones: http://www.cato.org/raidmap/
You can keep lying to yourself if it makes you feel better, I guess.
They would sound the same. If I like I can choose to smoke a joint on my back porch. I do not choose to smoke a joint. It’s my choice as a Free person.
Uh, except you’ll get arrested if you smoke a joint, and the police find out.
I also choose to drink distilled spirits, which I purchase from the State Liquor Store. Again freedom to choose what I do with my life.
Except that if you choose to buy them from someone else, you’ll be thrown in jail, because the state enforces a monopoly on the supply of liquor.
… or from someone connected with organized crime who may steal or murder for a profit.
And why do you think that is? Do you think it’s a coincidence that it’s the prohibited substances that are supplied by gangs and cartels, rather than businesses and stores? The reason these gangs exist is prohibition.
But your responses here and in other places have me believing that your little group thinks their beleifs are more important than the beliefs of others, and you are willing to do whatever you want to deny the right of free speech to anyone that disagrees with you.
Where on earth do you get that? Of course you should be free to say what you want.
Because i worked hard for 30 years, I am now able to retire at a relatively young age, and enjoy what I have. If hard work and a respect for myself and for society bothers you and the others in your group, then that’s too bad for you. I’m happy and will be happy with my life and my choices because I was free to make the choices i made.
None of those things bother me, and I congratulate you on your retirement. Excusing blatently immoral behavior because the men and women doing it call themselves “government” is what bothers me.
I’m going to spend the next 3 weeks on vacation, enjoying the sounds of nature while smoking a cigarette and sipping on a nice cold beer on the porch of my cottage on a nice clean lake while watching the sun set.
Sounds great, enjoy the trip
No protest on Monday, Maybe some praise for FK going through channels at city hall Wednesday. This info from an opposition group organizger.
It doesn’t sound so much like an opposition group as a FK reform advocacy group. Depending on what kind of reform they want, I may agree with them to a large extent — if they want CD to be chosen more wisely, so as to be less disruptive to the community, and conducted in an orderly positive manner (no shouting), for example.
If they want everyone to use only the political process though, and cease all CD, that’s just not going to happen.
Maybe you “Freedom Freaks” should go out and get jobs… Sounds like yer got way too much time to make mischief.
-J
I’d like to help you, “John from Hillsboro”. Lets find out who this person or persons is that doesn’t have a job.
There have been many who oppose the Keene freedom activists and state that as the most common complaint against them, they don’t work. Let us find out together who this person or persons is. I have yet to know who you are talking about, as when I was last on the square, the people I spoke with had jobs (or “jerbs” if you like to watch South Park).
We have to be careful to proceed as though what you are saying about the Keene liberty activists, literally accusing them of is true. We absolutely have to do so and that is why I am helping you on this. Because…
…if the Keene freedom activists were as bad, or even slightly as close to as bad as all their detractors say that they are, then absolutely nobody would have to make anything up about them. No person on earth would have to tell a lie or even use an exaggeration about them.
So are they wicked people who don’t recycle their aluminum cans, or have any visible means of support, (jerbs, dude jerbs) while they wiggle their naked butts in the general direction of city hall or are they being lied about? Is it all just hyperbole and nonsense from someone with a stake in the system who…wait for it…
just can’t stand the paranoid notion bouncing about in their bureaucrat noggins, of their cushy & lucrative gooberment job (or “jerb” if you like) to be threatened? Perhaps these same scared people are worried that some folks might actually live free and they’d have nobody to lord over?
I like clearing things up so if there’s anything else I can help you with, John, please feel free to ask. I have plenty of time today to be of assistance since wiggling my butt at a *seat* of power (no pun intended…hehehe) takes only a tiny bit of my time and leaves me free to help you out.
If you find any unemployed freedom activist people out there, give me some names so I know you’re telling the truth. We are all in this together, you know.
Lots of hugs,
Your Pal, Chaz
Considering I work a full time job, and have other responsibilities that occupy my time, and I’m organizing the flea market (shameless plug), and donate my time to a local non-profit organization, and co-host a radio show, and act in short films occasionally, and play many different musical instruments, and generally just socialize with friends or make new ones, you must not be talking to me.
But if loving freedom makes me a freak, then call me Todd Browning!
James, I think you did great in the video.
Stick to your beliefs.
TO: “i am already free”, above, who wrote: “Don’t get me started on the waste of money the Marlboro/Winchseter/Main Street traffic circle was.”…OK, don’t get started. Most of the rest of your post i do agree with, but not that point. The roundabout/rotary thingy at Main/Marlboro/Winchester St. is WAY, WAY, WAY better than the traffic lights that were there before. It could use a little tweaking & re-jiggering, and the learning curve for you idiot motorheads has been too long & steep, but i still say it’s better than the traffic lights. 350 Marlboro St? You’re right on, there. Remember when the NH AG’s office “investigated”…the matter? The same NH AG’s office that had recently screwed Peter Heed in a trumped-up sham charge???…OH! NH IS SO legal. That’s beyond sarcasm. Thanks! later!…
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