New Mover Ali: Keene is “better than I even expected”

A new activist in Keene, Ali, talks about her move to Keene, courtesy Fr33Agents:

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  1. enslave keene

    In todays job market, with the employee pool that is out there I'm "positive" you got your job because you told your boss you came here for the FSP. ROTFL big time!

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  2. enslave keene

    "The cops that you are used to dealing with"?? WHAT! Youre what 21? 22? How many times in your life have you had to deal with cops?

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  3. matt

    "Activism brings out the personalities in the cops….serve their masters"

    Uh – no. Probably an entire gaggle of ravenous hyena's circling them and yelling PIG and enticing them with the usual rhetorical phrases such as "hope you feel good about putting peaceful people in cages' is what brings out their personalities; its called human emotion. They are not robots – they live in the same community too. There are just as many freestater vids showing this behavior as there is showing a cop being a dick for other reasons.

    "People being victimized by the state"

    The state has never shouted at me through a bullhorn – nor have I ever seen "the state" shouting at my kids walking out of their school that their school sucks. Nor have I seen the state hand joints to a 10th grader like I have seen on one particular vid in the lobby of the PD. <—–regurgitated facts on my part I admit; however, very relevant and something I still get pissed over. When a group of "peaceful" people scare the living daylights out of kids – like the open carrying potbellied Rich Paul shouting and screaming like a tiger in heat; all things freekeene likes to put their fingers in their ears over and blabber with their tongues.

    "people support it"

    Yeah of course YOUR friends do. Your parking ticket story is lame. Parking in those metered spots is for shoppers…..you know, that pesky thing called commerce – that the downtown merchants WANT. They also WANT the meters – and it is because of lazy people like yourself who, without a meter, would park your car there all day long. If all the merchants parked their cars downtown – there would be no parking….thus – your little job at Corner News would be DONE.

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  4. SMASH CAPITALISM

    Who do you people call your "masters" the the cops "serve"? I think your talking about capitalism. Why are you 'anti-authority' but more than happy to submit to 'jobs', 'bosses', and 'employment' ?

    Ownership is slavery, property is slavery, employment is slavery

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  5. SMASH CAPITALISM

    Yeah all you do in keene is follow the cops around and say stuff like that to them. keene's a small town, why dont you come to Schenectady and try the same thing. Here theres about 170 cops as opposed to 35 in keene. They;ll drive you out to Galway, let you out, and say, have a nice walk back to Schenectady.

    Better yet try to pull the same stuff at occupy wall st. No, you stay way back from the action filming. Cause you'll get a quick trip to rikers island, and there wont be nodody there to smoke a j for you in front of the jail. Try it and see what happens

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  6. Julia

    Meh, getting an unfair parking ticket is a grade-A 1st world problem. If you want to see actual police brutality check out what the NYPD are doing to the Wall St. protesters, or if you *really* want to see state tyranny take a look at how state police in Colombia (which receives the second largest sum of US money) suppresses labor unions and organizers.

    I went to Keene two months ago. Didn't really see anything. See: http://propagandalalaland.blogspot.com/2011/08/ke

    I hope she's able to make the most out of her time in NH.

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  7. A Critic

    "nor have I ever seen “the state” shouting at my kids walking out of their school that their school sucks."

    Their school does suck. Very few graduates of the Keene school system have elementary skills in English, math, history, science, etc.

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  8. A Critic

    "Ownership is slavery, property is slavery, employment is slavery"

    You seem to be confused. Slavery is when a person is treated as property. That's not the same thing as when they get paid. If you are employed, and you get a paycheck for your employment, then that is by definition not slavery. Slavery has no paycheck.

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  9. Julia

    Private property was the root of the state, true fact.

    I don't see the importance of "ownership", or why being able to own things makes you more "free". Hunter-gatherers don't have private property (neither do Inuit peoples or others living in primitive communism) and they are probably more free than we are. I would also think that we should define who we are as people by what we *do* and the relations we have with others (since the only way you can see something for what it is is when you look at it in relation to other people/things) as opposed to what we own.

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  10. matt

    "Their school does suck. Very few graduates of the Keene school system have elementary skills in English, math, history, science, etc."

    So freekeene's answer is to sit outside a MIDDLE school and tell the kids that school (in general…not theirs specifically), sucks. Brilliant tactic. Really wins the hearts and minds of parents – and sends a clear message to those who do try and do well, that freekeene is flagrant group of miscreants and total assholes. There are plenty of bright and good kids that go to school in Keene – how sad you have grouped them into a "very few".

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  11. kjhfkjh

    julia,

    If you dont see the importance of "ownership" why do you OWN ANYTHING.

    Why dont you just leave your house doors wide open for anyone to just come and go as they please if that space isnt yours seein as ownership is dumb.

    And for that matter why do you have a house in the first place or stuff in the first place….

    Im done this is a crazy discussion

    🙂

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  12. SMASH CAPITALISM

    Ive only ever had one job in my life, when i was 17, i only had it for two weeks, and it was a sales job, so stupid i left after two weeks, and im proud to say i havent been employed since then. The company was called VECTOR MARKETING and its a scam. Look it up. They use deceptive tactics to try to get college students into their business. I HATED every minute i worked their, and was glad to get out the last time. I have NOT been employed since then and am proud of it.

    Property is slavery, Ownership is slavery, employment is slavery.

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  13. david-keene

    Nice interview with a nice smart articulate young lady,,,,,,of course some of the regulars in here have to find negativity somehow …. where there is none

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  14. A Critic

    "So freekeene’s answer is to sit outside a MIDDLE school and tell the kids that school (in general…not theirs specifically), sucks. Brilliant tactic."

    I wish someone had told me I was right when I was in school. I might have dropped out and done something productive with my time.

    "Really wins the hearts and minds of parents"

    I would not hold in high regard those who send their progeny to an indoctrination center that scientifically destroys their intellect and character.

    " – and sends a clear message to those who do try and do well, that freekeene is flagrant group of miscreants and total assholes."

    Shouting and waving signs may get the attention of some, however since the minds of so many are so very dim I do not believe this is an effective means of creating a positive change.

    "There are plenty of bright and good kids that go to school in Keene – how sad you have grouped them into a “very few”."

    Many I would even dare say almost all kids start off bright and good – but very few have a nature that is resilient and resistant to the brainwashing.

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  15. A Critic

    "Private property was the root of the state, true fact."

    The theft of private property was the root of the state.

    "I don’t see the importance of “ownership”,"

    Go spend a year in the woods without owning anything and see if you still have no understanding of the importance of ownership.

    "or why being able to own things makes you more “free”."

    If you own the right things it increases the variety of options available to you.

    " Hunter-gatherers don’t have private property (neither do Inuit peoples or others living in primitive communism) and they are probably more free than we are."

    They may be more free in the sense of not being enslaved by the state – but they are less free in the sense that they are trapped by their poverty.

    "I would also think that we should define who we are as people by what we *do* and the relations we have with others (since the only way you can see something for what it is is when you look at it in relation to other people/things) as opposed to what we own."

    If you come down from your ivory tower of academia into the real world you'll find that property is an essential part of what we do and an essential part of our relations with others. Property is an essential part of life for human beings who wish to live at a higher standard than the animal kingdom.

    Your rejection of ownership, property, and property rights makes as much as sense as denying the value of oxygen, lungs, and breathing. You have to live in an imaginary world to believe that these things have no value and should be rejected or even abolished. It's a foolish fantasy to believe that essential parts of our lives are to be rejected and abolished. If you really believe property is worthless give up every single piece of property you have and try to survive without anything. Put your property where your mouth is!

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  16. SMASH CAPITALISM

    I think your misunderstanding what Julia is trying to say. In my anarchist village, people will still have houses, and there will probably even be a few cars, computers, and flat screen TVs there too. But they wont be considered private property. The concept of private property is what i say is slavery. because it deprives other people of the ability to use them

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  17. A Critic

    "In my anarchist village, people will still have houses, and there will probably even be a few cars, computers, and flat screen TVs there too. But they wont be considered private property. "

    That's a commune.

    "The concept of private property is what i say is slavery. because it deprives other people of the ability to use them"

    You are rather mad, eh? Slavery is the theft of life and labor and property and liberty. Property is not slavery.

    Got many takers for your communist utopia? Or are you going to have to enslave people to force them to join?

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  18. david-keene

    People aren't "trapped by poverty"

    people are trapped by the trappings of …….all "it's trappings"

    freedom exists within a jail, within a gaol

    within a white protestant

    maelstrom

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  19. david-keene

    people are trapped by commercials

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  20. A Critic

    "People aren’t “trapped by poverty”"

    I disagree. Poverty is the mindtrap that says there is no way out, no way up.

    There are many causes. One of the worst is when the right of property is not recognized. When others destroy ones property and wealth and opportunities at their discretion it tends to be demoralizing.

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  21. Julia

    "If you dont see the importance of “ownership” why do you OWN ANYTHING."

    Because I have to live in a system where ownership is the bottom line. I would much rather live in a society where almost everything is held in common.

    By the way, there's a difference between "ownership" and "possession".

    "Why dont you just leave your house doors wide open for anyone to just come and go as they please if that space isnt yours seein as ownership is dumb."

    I live in a college dorm and I keep the door either wide open or unlocked 90% of the time (until my roommates lock it). I trust the people I'm around and they trust me.

    "And for that matter why do you have a house in the first place or stuff in the first place…."

    I don't; I live in a dorm. I don't even want to own my own home anyway but live in a commune.

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  22. Julia

    "The theft of private property was the root of the state."

    Nope!

    "They may be more free in the sense of not being enslaved by the state – but they are less free in the sense that they are trapped by their poverty."

    Define "poverty". Most of them live just fine, because everyone (literally EVERYONE) in the community is taken care of. Just goes to show how much the importance of human relations is blinded by love of stuff.

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  23. SMASH CAPITALISM

    Squatting in the old abandoned factories used to be easy. You'd just walk in and find unlimited room and easy acess. Kind of like the Old Brewery at the Five Points (Now Wall st.). I dont know about everywhere, but around here, its gotten harder to squat in the factories in recent years. Quite a few squatters used fires to cook and stay warm in winter, and quite a few of the factories burned down. So now the cops regularly search the factories and theyve tried to block doors windows and other access points. Julia, if you live in an area where you can still live in a factory, i would. Im not sure why the cops were so worried about the factories burning down, since they were abondoned and no longer corporate property, except that some of the factory fires were huge and burned nearby houses. After that, it made me wonder if i was right about the cops only job to serve the ruling class, because most of the effected houses were in the hood. ANyway, thats why squatters dont have an easy time around here anymore

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  24. Ann

    Smash, I don't intend to get into a back and forth, but people are concerned about warehouse fires because when things catch fire, they send firefighters to stop it. if there are people (squatters) inside the burning factory, the firefighters do their best to rescue them. Sometimes, those firefighters die, all because someone decided it was a great idea to start a trash can fire, get drunk, pass out, and knock it over.

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  25. A Critic

    "Because I have to live in a system where ownership is the bottom line. I would much rather live in a society where almost everything is held in common."

    You say that now – but a morbidly obese Star Trek geek who doesn't shower decides your bed is where he wants to sleep – are you going to still think that? How about when some lazy good for nothing bum decides to eat all of your food? What about when some jerk decides to take or destroy every useful thing your life is dependent on?

    "I live in a college dorm and I keep the door either wide open or unlocked 90% of the time (until my roommates lock it). I trust the people I’m around and they trust me."

    Haven't been raped yet eh?

    "I don’t even want to own my own home anyway but live in a commune."

    It might work…or like nearly all communes it might fail.

    "Nope!"

    Yes it was. The state is an organized crime ring. It exists so some may steal from many.

    "Define “poverty”. Most of them live just fine, because everyone (literally EVERYONE) in the community is taken care of. Just goes to show how much the importance of human relations is blinded by love of stuff."

    A relevant example would be a child dying for a want of penicillin. Of course there's no need for the stuff or property called antibiotics in your fantasy world…apparently watching your kids die is taking care of them.

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  26. A Critic

    "Because I have to live in a system where ownership is the bottom line."

    Indeed, it is the bottom line, that bottom line which is the foundation for everything else.

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  27. Julia

    "You say that now – but a morbidly obese Star Trek geek who doesn’t shower decides your bed is where he wants to sleep – are you going to still think that?"

    Ummm, that happens now (I can tell you of numerous arguments I've seem where the roommate's drunken friend crashes on the other roommate's bed, etc). And anarchists have always emphasized free association, so if I don't want to associate with that weirdo nothing would be forcing us to stay in the same room.

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  28. A Critic

    "I would much rather live in a society where almost everything is held in common."

    So what happens when the anti-pollution nuts decide to take all of the farm equipment to prevent pollution?

    What happens when people stop producing and instead leach off of those who do produce?

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  29. A Critic

    "Ummm, that happens now (I can tell you of numerous arguments I’ve seem where the roommate’s drunken friend crashes on the other roommate’s bed, etc). And anarchists have always emphasized free association, so if I don’t want to associate with that weirdo nothing would be forcing us to stay in the same room."

    So you would leave?

    Assuming you find another empty bed…what are you going to do when some lecherous old man decides that your new bed is where he wants to be? You are going to move again?

    What happens when your computer is taken by somebody else because they want to use it?

    What happens when everything useful is used by someone who is not useful?

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  30. SMASH CAPITALISM

    “You say that now – but a morbidly obese Star Trek geek who doesn’t shower decides your bed is where he wants to sleep – are you going to still think that?”

    That sounds like me.- not relly

    No. most geeks i know are skinny anyway, why do you always assume those sterotypes?

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  31. A Critic

    "No. most geeks i know are skinny anyway, why do you always assume those sterotypes?"

    Stereotypes exist because of the numbers of people who embody them.

    So let me get this right – about this propertyless utopia. I get to work really hard on my farm, and then you get to eat all the fruits (and veggies and butter and meat) of my labor? I work really hard and some lazy good for nothing bum gets to starve me to death? I suppose that won't happen in your fantasy world…but that's what happens in reality.

    No thanks! I'll keep my high standard of living, and my property, and I will defend it if I have to.

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  32. SMASH CAPITALISM

    I dont believe in locked doors, either.

    @Ann- I understand what you say about the squatters. Alot of them were always getting drunk, and in alot of cases it was homeless kids running through the factories. I still think housing is a human right, though. Would it suprise you to know that i am a firefighter but i think making sure people have a place to live, other than the streets, is also very important too.

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  33. david-keene

    what do you think about diamond rings julia???

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  34. SMASH CAPITALISM

    Well, in my "fansaty world" i think everybody would farm a large area collectively, so i hope nobody would think of it as "their" crops. I hope everybody would underatand everybody would have to participate in farming in order to ensure the sucess of the community. Id try to stay away from the concept of private farming. Each person could be assigned to take care of one field for the whole year. I hope that would work, but maybe not

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  35. Julia

    "So what happens when the anti-pollution nuts decide to take all of the farm equipment to prevent pollution?"

    You're making the assumption that without private property "rights" everyone would be attacking everyone else. Ever heard of "talking"? Usually that takes a lot less effort than blowing up farm equipment!

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  36. A Critic

    "Well, in my “fansaty world” i think everybody would farm a large area collectively, so i hope nobody would think of it as “their” crops. "

    Why would people work to farm when they can simply eat the fruits of the labor of others?

    Zimbabwe, China, and the Soviet Union tried collective farm production. Each time it leads to famine. You really want to try it again?

    "I hope everybody would underatand everybody would have to participate in farming in order to ensure the sucess of the community."

    You should study history before you repeat it.

    Yes, communism works, for some people at some times. However it doesn't scale and it doesn't transfer. Some groups of people like to wear leather and be tied up and be suspended from the air while engaging in sex acts with men and women of all ages. It works for them. It doesn't work as a principle or universal means of sexual relations for a large group of people. The enjoyment of such a practice doesn't scale and it doesn't transfer.

    The enjoyment of capitalism does scale, but it doesn't transfer. Some people don't like to work and prefer to leech. Takes all kinds to make a world.

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  37. A Critic

    "You’re making the assumption that without private property “rights” everyone would be attacking everyone else. Ever heard of “talking”? Usually that takes a lot less effort than blowing up farm equipment!"

    There are finite resources. Without law based on property rights there will be conflict over who gets to control those finite resources.

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  38. SMASH CAPITALISM

    Well, in the places you mentioned, the people did not want to submit to collective farming, and stalin and mao did it by force

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  39. A Critic

    "Well, in the places you mentioned, the people did not want to submit to collective farming, and stalin and mao did it by force"

    Yeah, people hate to have their stuff stolen so you gotta be violent if you are going to do it on a large scale.

    There have also been many smaller voluntary communes. They all fail in the end. The Amish and Mennonites have succeeded but they aren't communists. The Amish in particular are quite capitalistic. While they have a very close very tight knit community they still have money and property. If they had rejected these keystones of civilization they would have long ago ceased to exist.

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  40. david-keene

    how come you didnt answer my question julia?

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  41. Alan Chapman

    In the absence of economic calculation, there would be no houses, cars, TVs, or computers.

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  42. SMASH CAPITALISM

    I have noticed that there have been no more stupid posts under fake names ever since Ian got out of jail

    keene-david, fake david-keene, and all the random key posters have disapeared.

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  43. keene-david

    Oh, ye of little faith, what matters what I do, what matters what I saith, …

    …(…according to spellcheck, "saith" is correct…)…

    …";keene-david" was born to riposte avec "david-keene"…but 'twill serve equally well to SMASH "smash capitalism"…

    BWA HA HA Ha Ha ha ha ha ho hummmmmmzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……….

    Julia doesn't have much desire for diamond rings. Does *THAT* answer your question, "david-keene"…???…I'm sure she wasn't ignoring you, she maybe missed that comment of yours, or maybe, she found the question so absurd, she didn't waste her time answering it…

    Besides, what makes *YOU* think, that *YOUR* question is so special, so important. that she *HAS* *TO* answer it…???>….~"keene-david"…….

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  44. SMASH CAPITALISM

    Why did i change my picture again? I dont know. I was wondering that myself

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  45. SMASH CAPITALISM

    Should i tell that story again about how the DA slammed that guys head against the wall?

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  46. david-keene

    im glad its changed back……anythings nicer to people than the finger…well most things

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  47. SMASH CAPITALISM

    I changed it to the finger hoping somebody would notice me,but when nobody did i changed it back

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  48. matt

    "I would not hold in high regard those who send their progeny to an indoctrination center that scientifically destroys their intellect and character. Shouting and waving signs may get the attention of some, however since the minds of so many are so very dim I do not believe this is an effective means of creating a positive change."

    Well well well – for an admitted public school flunkie, you sure have an self prescribed pseudo intellectual chip on your shoulder. It must be painful for a grand wizard such as yourself to walk around a town where so many people are developmentally sub par compared to the bright bulb inside your head. LOL. So yeah, that is great…..middle school kids should drop out of school. BRILLIANT IDEA. That way, they could be more productive with their lives….like, oh I don't know…..holding signs up on street corners.

    Character starts at home/parenting. School's are not perfect….not by any stretch of the imagination; I won't pretend they are at all. But there is an entire spectrum of reasons why some people are smarter than others – it is not simply because of "schools". Just because Ian Freeman thinks the middle school sucks, doesn't mean it is appropriate or healthy for his recruitment efforts to poke fingers at little kids. I went to Waldorf schools my whole life…..but I bet you think I'm a brainwashed statist too.

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  49. Chaz Munro

    SMASH CAPITALISM on Fri, 14th Oct 2011 1:19 pm

    – I think your misunderstanding what Julia is trying to say. In my anarchist village, people will still have houses, and there will probably even be a few cars, computers, and flat screen TVs there too. But they wont be considered private property. The concept of private property is what i say is slavery. because it deprives other people of the ability to use them

    It is slavery because *you say* it is. Well, at least you finally admitted to it, dude. Julia is too invested in her failed ideals to own up to the facts.

    Private property as a concept and in practice , doesn't deprive people of a chance to use the property of others. It does however keep would be thieves from trying to claim any weird notion of legitimacy, from the theft of said property.

    Maybe, Smash you just like the thought of not having any job (you readily admit to) and still get goodies from those that would actually produce those things, without having to either create or contribute to their existence.

    We already have loads of those types of people. Some of them we call politicians as they take from the productive people while giving only the illusion that they gave people anything. The rest, well they are just bums.

    I could see someone like you holding a hand drawn sign by the side of the road:

    "Homeless (okay not really, I just want you to share your property with someone undeserving like myself) that will work (okay not really again, I just want you to give me some money although I openly curse the idea of money & private property) for food (or other stuff, what do you care? just gimme)"

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  50. A Critic

    "It must be painful for a grand wizard such as yourself to walk around a town where so many people are developmentally sub par compared to the bright bulb inside your head. "

    Why should I permit the suffering of others to cause me pain when I do not even let my own hardships so affect me?

    "So yeah, that is great…..middle school kids should drop out of school."

    Yes, that is what I advise to all students, except for those who are bound and determined to pursue a specific line of work which actually requires a piece of paper.

    "Character starts at home/parenting."

    It used to, but then our nation invested huge sums of resources into the education and media systems so that these systems and not parents influence the character of children.

    "School’s are not perfect….not by any stretch of the imagination; I won’t pretend they are at all."

    They are pretty close to perfect. They are extremely efficient at destroying the intellect and character of their inmates.

    "But there is an entire spectrum of reasons why some people are smarter than others – it is not simply because of “schools”."

    True – however there is one main reason why almost everyone performs at a minuscule fraction of their potential – and that would be the schools.

    "Just because Ian Freeman thinks the middle school sucks, doesn’t mean it is appropriate or healthy for his recruitment efforts to poke fingers at little kids. "

    I take it you would be okay if he had quietly waved a poster board with a message supporting the indoctrination and dumbing down of the schoolchildren?

    "but I bet you think I’m a brainwashed statist too."

    You repeatedly make statements that blindly support the state. You don't strike me as a natural born sociopath so you must have been brainwashed after you were born. If you are going to be a statist, why don't you go ahead and embrace it? You are just a little peon, but at least you are a peon who licks the boot of the state, and so while Ian and others may complain in public in ostentatious ways, you are on the side of the Great Satan that they oppose, you lick up the blood and guts and brains and souls of those crushed by the state. They get arrested or hold up a sign or make some noise – and the state throws millions into the injustice system and tens of millions into the indoctrination system and many millions more around the world are tortured or killed – so why not abandon all pretense of being an individual and why not simply embrace the full power of the dark side?

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