This is video from the Concord 420 event held on 4/20/2010 at the NH statehouse. It contains an interview from a medical cannabis patient, and Brad wonders off to engage state trooper Chris Carter who was quoted a month earlier on WMUR supporting the drug war.
Unfortunately state policeman Chris Carder, doesn’t seem to understand the lessons learned from the prohibition of alcohol. What blinds people to he reality their actions create?
In todays job market, with the employee pool that is out there I'm "positive" you got your job because you told your boss you came here for the FSP. ROTFL big time!
"The cops that you are used to dealing with"?? WHAT! Youre what 21? 22? How many times in your life have you had to deal with cops?
"Activism brings out the personalities in the cops….serve their masters" Uh – no. Probably an entire gaggle of ravenous hyena's circling them and yelling PIG and enticing them with the usual rhetorical phrases such as "hope you feel good about putting peaceful people in cages' is what brings out their personalities; its called human emotion. They are not robots – they live in the same community too. There are just as many freestater vids showing this behavior as there is showing a cop being a dick for other reasons. "People being victimized by the state" The state has never shouted… Read more »
Who do you people call your "masters" the the cops "serve"? I think your talking about capitalism. Why are you 'anti-authority' but more than happy to submit to 'jobs', 'bosses', and 'employment' ?
Ownership is slavery, property is slavery, employment is slavery
Yeah all you do in keene is follow the cops around and say stuff like that to them. keene's a small town, why dont you come to Schenectady and try the same thing. Here theres about 170 cops as opposed to 35 in keene. They;ll drive you out to Galway, let you out, and say, have a nice walk back to Schenectady. Better yet try to pull the same stuff at occupy wall st. No, you stay way back from the action filming. Cause you'll get a quick trip to rikers island, and there wont be nodody there to smoke… Read more »
Meh, getting an unfair parking ticket is a grade-A 1st world problem. If you want to see actual police brutality check out what the NYPD are doing to the Wall St. protesters, or if you *really* want to see state tyranny take a look at how state police in Colombia (which receives the second largest sum of US money) suppresses labor unions and organizers.
I went to Keene two months ago. Didn't really see anything. See: http://propagandalalaland.blogspot.com/2011/08/ke…
I hope she's able to make the most out of her time in NH.
"nor have I ever seen “the state” shouting at my kids walking out of their school that their school sucks."
Their school does suck. Very few graduates of the Keene school system have elementary skills in English, math, history, science, etc.
"Ownership is slavery, property is slavery, employment is slavery"
You seem to be confused. Slavery is when a person is treated as property. That's not the same thing as when they get paid. If you are employed, and you get a paycheck for your employment, then that is by definition not slavery. Slavery has no paycheck.
Private property was the root of the state, true fact. I don't see the importance of "ownership", or why being able to own things makes you more "free". Hunter-gatherers don't have private property (neither do Inuit peoples or others living in primitive communism) and they are probably more free than we are. I would also think that we should define who we are as people by what we *do* and the relations we have with others (since the only way you can see something for what it is is when you look at it in relation to other people/things) as… Read more »
"Their school does suck. Very few graduates of the Keene school system have elementary skills in English, math, history, science, etc." So freekeene's answer is to sit outside a MIDDLE school and tell the kids that school (in general…not theirs specifically), sucks. Brilliant tactic. Really wins the hearts and minds of parents – and sends a clear message to those who do try and do well, that freekeene is flagrant group of miscreants and total assholes. There are plenty of bright and good kids that go to school in Keene – how sad you have grouped them into a "very… Read more »
julia,
If you dont see the importance of "ownership" why do you OWN ANYTHING.
Why dont you just leave your house doors wide open for anyone to just come and go as they please if that space isnt yours seein as ownership is dumb.
And for that matter why do you have a house in the first place or stuff in the first place….
Im done this is a crazy discussion
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Ive only ever had one job in my life, when i was 17, i only had it for two weeks, and it was a sales job, so stupid i left after two weeks, and im proud to say i havent been employed since then. The company was called VECTOR MARKETING and its a scam. Look it up. They use deceptive tactics to try to get college students into their business. I HATED every minute i worked their, and was glad to get out the last time. I have NOT been employed since then and am proud of it. Property is… Read more »
Nice interview with a nice smart articulate young lady,,,,,,of course some of the regulars in here have to find negativity somehow …. where there is none
"So freekeene’s answer is to sit outside a MIDDLE school and tell the kids that school (in general…not theirs specifically), sucks. Brilliant tactic." I wish someone had told me I was right when I was in school. I might have dropped out and done something productive with my time. "Really wins the hearts and minds of parents" I would not hold in high regard those who send their progeny to an indoctrination center that scientifically destroys their intellect and character. " – and sends a clear message to those who do try and do well, that freekeene is flagrant group… Read more »
"Private property was the root of the state, true fact." The theft of private property was the root of the state. "I don’t see the importance of “ownership”," Go spend a year in the woods without owning anything and see if you still have no understanding of the importance of ownership. "or why being able to own things makes you more “free”." If you own the right things it increases the variety of options available to you. " Hunter-gatherers don’t have private property (neither do Inuit peoples or others living in primitive communism) and they are probably more free than… Read more »
I think your misunderstanding what Julia is trying to say. In my anarchist village, people will still have houses, and there will probably even be a few cars, computers, and flat screen TVs there too. But they wont be considered private property. The concept of private property is what i say is slavery. because it deprives other people of the ability to use them
"In my anarchist village, people will still have houses, and there will probably even be a few cars, computers, and flat screen TVs there too. But they wont be considered private property. "
That's a commune.
"The concept of private property is what i say is slavery. because it deprives other people of the ability to use them"
You are rather mad, eh? Slavery is the theft of life and labor and property and liberty. Property is not slavery.
Got many takers for your communist utopia? Or are you going to have to enslave people to force them to join?
People aren't "trapped by poverty"
people are trapped by the trappings of …….all "it's trappings"
freedom exists within a jail, within a gaol
within a white protestant
maelstrom
people are trapped by commercials
"People aren’t “trapped by poverty”"
I disagree. Poverty is the mindtrap that says there is no way out, no way up.
There are many causes. One of the worst is when the right of property is not recognized. When others destroy ones property and wealth and opportunities at their discretion it tends to be demoralizing.
"If you dont see the importance of “ownership” why do you OWN ANYTHING." Because I have to live in a system where ownership is the bottom line. I would much rather live in a society where almost everything is held in common. By the way, there's a difference between "ownership" and "possession". "Why dont you just leave your house doors wide open for anyone to just come and go as they please if that space isnt yours seein as ownership is dumb." I live in a college dorm and I keep the door either wide open or unlocked 90% of… Read more »
"The theft of private property was the root of the state."
Nope!
"They may be more free in the sense of not being enslaved by the state – but they are less free in the sense that they are trapped by their poverty."
Define "poverty". Most of them live just fine, because everyone (literally EVERYONE) in the community is taken care of. Just goes to show how much the importance of human relations is blinded by love of stuff.
Squatting in the old abandoned factories used to be easy. You'd just walk in and find unlimited room and easy acess. Kind of like the Old Brewery at the Five Points (Now Wall st.). I dont know about everywhere, but around here, its gotten harder to squat in the factories in recent years. Quite a few squatters used fires to cook and stay warm in winter, and quite a few of the factories burned down. So now the cops regularly search the factories and theyve tried to block doors windows and other access points. Julia, if you live in an… Read more »
Smash, I don't intend to get into a back and forth, but people are concerned about warehouse fires because when things catch fire, they send firefighters to stop it. if there are people (squatters) inside the burning factory, the firefighters do their best to rescue them. Sometimes, those firefighters die, all because someone decided it was a great idea to start a trash can fire, get drunk, pass out, and knock it over.
"Because I have to live in a system where ownership is the bottom line. I would much rather live in a society where almost everything is held in common." You say that now – but a morbidly obese Star Trek geek who doesn't shower decides your bed is where he wants to sleep – are you going to still think that? How about when some lazy good for nothing bum decides to eat all of your food? What about when some jerk decides to take or destroy every useful thing your life is dependent on? "I live in a college… Read more »
"Because I have to live in a system where ownership is the bottom line."
Indeed, it is the bottom line, that bottom line which is the foundation for everything else.
"You say that now – but a morbidly obese Star Trek geek who doesn’t shower decides your bed is where he wants to sleep – are you going to still think that?"
Ummm, that happens now (I can tell you of numerous arguments I've seem where the roommate's drunken friend crashes on the other roommate's bed, etc). And anarchists have always emphasized free association, so if I don't want to associate with that weirdo nothing would be forcing us to stay in the same room.
"I would much rather live in a society where almost everything is held in common."
So what happens when the anti-pollution nuts decide to take all of the farm equipment to prevent pollution?
What happens when people stop producing and instead leach off of those who do produce?
"Ummm, that happens now (I can tell you of numerous arguments I’ve seem where the roommate’s drunken friend crashes on the other roommate’s bed, etc). And anarchists have always emphasized free association, so if I don’t want to associate with that weirdo nothing would be forcing us to stay in the same room." So you would leave? Assuming you find another empty bed…what are you going to do when some lecherous old man decides that your new bed is where he wants to be? You are going to move again? What happens when your computer is taken by somebody else… Read more »
“You say that now – but a morbidly obese Star Trek geek who doesn’t shower decides your bed is where he wants to sleep – are you going to still think that?”
That sounds like me.- not relly
No. most geeks i know are skinny anyway, why do you always assume those sterotypes?
"No. most geeks i know are skinny anyway, why do you always assume those sterotypes?" Stereotypes exist because of the numbers of people who embody them. So let me get this right – about this propertyless utopia. I get to work really hard on my farm, and then you get to eat all the fruits (and veggies and butter and meat) of my labor? I work really hard and some lazy good for nothing bum gets to starve me to death? I suppose that won't happen in your fantasy world…but that's what happens in reality. No thanks! I'll keep my… Read more »
I dont believe in locked doors, either.
@Ann- I understand what you say about the squatters. Alot of them were always getting drunk, and in alot of cases it was homeless kids running through the factories. I still think housing is a human right, though. Would it suprise you to know that i am a firefighter but i think making sure people have a place to live, other than the streets, is also very important too.
what do you think about diamond rings julia???
Well, in my "fansaty world" i think everybody would farm a large area collectively, so i hope nobody would think of it as "their" crops. I hope everybody would underatand everybody would have to participate in farming in order to ensure the sucess of the community. Id try to stay away from the concept of private farming. Each person could be assigned to take care of one field for the whole year. I hope that would work, but maybe not
"So what happens when the anti-pollution nuts decide to take all of the farm equipment to prevent pollution?"
You're making the assumption that without private property "rights" everyone would be attacking everyone else. Ever heard of "talking"? Usually that takes a lot less effort than blowing up farm equipment!
"Well, in my “fansaty world” i think everybody would farm a large area collectively, so i hope nobody would think of it as “their” crops. " Why would people work to farm when they can simply eat the fruits of the labor of others? Zimbabwe, China, and the Soviet Union tried collective farm production. Each time it leads to famine. You really want to try it again? "I hope everybody would underatand everybody would have to participate in farming in order to ensure the sucess of the community." You should study history before you repeat it. Yes, communism works, for… Read more »
"You’re making the assumption that without private property “rights” everyone would be attacking everyone else. Ever heard of “talking”? Usually that takes a lot less effort than blowing up farm equipment!"
There are finite resources. Without law based on property rights there will be conflict over who gets to control those finite resources.
Well, in the places you mentioned, the people did not want to submit to collective farming, and stalin and mao did it by force
"Well, in the places you mentioned, the people did not want to submit to collective farming, and stalin and mao did it by force" Yeah, people hate to have their stuff stolen so you gotta be violent if you are going to do it on a large scale. There have also been many smaller voluntary communes. They all fail in the end. The Amish and Mennonites have succeeded but they aren't communists. The Amish in particular are quite capitalistic. While they have a very close very tight knit community they still have money and property. If they had rejected these… Read more »
how come you didnt answer my question julia?
In the absence of economic calculation, there would be no houses, cars, TVs, or computers.
I have noticed that there have been no more stupid posts under fake names ever since Ian got out of jail
keene-david, fake david-keene, and all the random key posters have disapeared.
Oh, ye of little faith, what matters what I do, what matters what I saith, … …(…according to spellcheck, "saith" is correct…)… …";keene-david" was born to riposte avec "david-keene"…but 'twill serve equally well to SMASH "smash capitalism"… BWA HA HA Ha Ha ha ha ha ho hummmmmmzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz………. Julia doesn't have much desire for diamond rings. Does *THAT* answer your question, "david-keene"…???…I'm sure she wasn't ignoring you, she maybe missed that comment of yours, or maybe, she found the question so absurd, she didn't waste her time answering it… Besides, what makes *YOU* think, that *YOUR* question is so special, so… Read more »
Why did i change my picture again? I dont know. I was wondering that myself
Should i tell that story again about how the DA slammed that guys head against the wall?
im glad its changed back……anythings nicer to people than the finger…well most things
I changed it to the finger hoping somebody would notice me,but when nobody did i changed it back
"I would not hold in high regard those who send their progeny to an indoctrination center that scientifically destroys their intellect and character. Shouting and waving signs may get the attention of some, however since the minds of so many are so very dim I do not believe this is an effective means of creating a positive change." Well well well – for an admitted public school flunkie, you sure have an self prescribed pseudo intellectual chip on your shoulder. It must be painful for a grand wizard such as yourself to walk around a town where so many people… Read more »
SMASH CAPITALISM on Fri, 14th Oct 2011 1:19 pm – I think your misunderstanding what Julia is trying to say. In my anarchist village, people will still have houses, and there will probably even be a few cars, computers, and flat screen TVs there too. But they wont be considered private property. The concept of private property is what i say is slavery. because it deprives other people of the ability to use them It is slavery because *you say* it is. Well, at least you finally admitted to it, dude. Julia is too invested in her failed ideals to… Read more »
"It must be painful for a grand wizard such as yourself to walk around a town where so many people are developmentally sub par compared to the bright bulb inside your head. " Why should I permit the suffering of others to cause me pain when I do not even let my own hardships so affect me? "So yeah, that is great…..middle school kids should drop out of school." Yes, that is what I advise to all students, except for those who are bound and determined to pursue a specific line of work which actually requires a piece of paper.… Read more »