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All these pie in the sky theories and hopes are such a joke. Not one time have I read or seen on a video talking about the enormous steps that are against you. Such as, NH doesn’t have the ability to survive being fiscally viable. How many loans do you think the government would let you take out? NH resources are not strong enough to afford financial independence much less taking care of it’s own citizens.
It’s a nice hobby but a lot of US states have tried this without avail.
tom why do u think independence is doom economically? it can go either way. why do people get divorce? some people’s situation improves, some don’t. generally a loving and functioning relationship is better than going solo. the goberment grants u a divorce like giving out candies but when u ask for a real divorce then god forbid. no, marriage to brandon is perpetual and permanent talk about hypocrisy nothing manmade is permanent. everyting God made is permanent I met a traveller from an antique land, Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Blocked by both the NH Free State… Read more »
does anyone have a tampon?
You had me until “John Birch Society.”
The Jack Ash Society – YouTube
jck ash
do u have ay substantive ting to say aout jbs or just a stupid song
ron paul is cool with jbs and ron paul said the gobmint enforces immigration to keep us in, do you deny this?
have you traveled to 100 miles within the borders of canada and mexico and get molested? at the same time the goverment allows movement into the US unhindered
do you deny the various “conspiracies” including convid?
we’re in short of conspiracies nowadays u know
Another exhibit of how ancaps are very comfortable with the far right. (Because they are far right.)
Someone should tell John Birch that they’re just like the ancaps too. Would be fun
Heh. They already know that they have more in common with ancaps than differences, which is why you are seeing these groups cozying up together.
About how comfortable are you with a group of people kidnapping other people ?
Not comfortable at all. Kidnapping is a crime.
Now you need to prove that not letting NH secede is kidnapping.
I’m comfortable
You’re comfortable with a group of people kidnapping another people? Okay then David. lol
yes.
Especially if you and rotten crotch are the the ones being kidnapped and tortured
Huh, I’m starting to think that Bob might be the only ancap/voluntaryist here.
stfu
Riveting discussion.
What do arranged marriages, no ability to leave an abusive relationship and rape have in common with a coercion based government is the question? The answer is they all feature threats of violence and/or actual violence if you peacefully fail to comply and simply want to make your own choices, while respecting that right of other individuals. People who are against “secession” suffer under the illusion that they can justify a form of kidnapping, not kidnapping done by an individual, instead kidnapping by a coercive group operating under a guise of “legality”. That’s some scary double think right there. I… Read more »
What kind of “kidnapper” lets you leave? Get out of our New Hampshire if you are so unhappy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence
I’m not unhappy, I’m forthright and slightly amused. The kidnapper, in this case, the Federal thugs, have a history of “not letting a state leave” . Didn’t you ever pay attention to the revisionist history they crammed down your throat about the civil war? Also, to leave a place for freedom, would require the place you may go to, to be free. It appears many (all?) other plantations also beat their slaves. Some less frequently some more severe, but pretty much they all have established coercion as their primary means of operation and assume consent even when none is actually… Read more »
The civil war was about state’s rights to own slaves. The south threw a hissy fit because Lincoln was elected because one of his positions was to restrict slavery in the territories. So they attacked the federal government, and in return it kicked their slaver asses. I’m proud of the United States for finally coming to terms with its slavery problem. States don’t get to leave. They voluntarily signed up to be in the union, so they have to abide by the terms set forth in the governing document. The good news, is that if you’d like you can advocate… Read more »
If the civil war was about ending slavery..why did the Union army use conscripted soldiers who could be shot if they didn’t obediently go to work as hired killers for the group you allege was trying to end slavery? If I had some enemies and pulled your name out of a hat and told you, you must go kill them for me or you would suffer dire consequences, wouldn’t you feel just a little teensy weensy bit enslaved? Not everyone who was is in “the south” owned slaves and many just wanted to get away from an oppressive war mongering… Read more »
“If the civil war was about ending slavery..why did the Union army use conscripted soldiers who could be shot if they didn’t obediently go to work as hired killers for the group you allege was trying to end slavery?” Once again, you are conflating military conscription with chattel slavery. The fact that you even think it’s okay to compare them shows your ignorance. Chattel slavery was brutal and evil. I’m no fan of conscription by the way. I’m glad we haven’t used it in decades. It was wrong then, and wrong now. Did you know that the confederates also used… Read more »
I remember when I was little they had confederate bills around…some where in gumball machines: anyone know if they were real? The seemed real
Currency is “real” if you can find someone that will accept it and trade things for it.
I remember nickel candy bars, and mowing lawns for a dollar. But then Nixon gave me a raise in the early seventies and I started getting $3 a lawn, but candy bars rose to a .25. Tricky, very tricky, dick!!
Gee, Karl. What a totally awesome idea and stuff. The idea that people living hundreds of years ago can sign a contract and bind everyone else to it – even those not even born yet – I mean.
Anyway, good thing all those unwanted kids you libtard weirdos totally keep aborting totally don’t have to put up with any of that kind of underhanded bullshit – you know, of being bound to contracts they never signed, am I right?
Do you have kids? How many of them consented to being born? Why is that okay, and not the social contract?
Further, do you discipline your kids, or do you let them eat lead paint chips and play in the road? That’s a pretty big violation of their consent, wouldn’t you say? After all, you are stopping them from doing something they want to do. How tyrannical.
We do things to children without their explicit consent all the time. Why are those instances okay and not the social contract?
Yowsers, Karl. I mean first you’re talking out of your ass with Bob about how military conscription is totally not slavery and stuff and now you’re yammering on with me about social contracts and how people’s kids were never consulted with about being born and stuff. Wow, what a roller coaster, huh? Anyway, social contracts are a total libtard weirdo fiction, Karl. Right up there with Russia collusion, voter suppression, green energy, and genderfluidism. Us freedom folk know this cuz we’re better than you and stuff. Cool, huh? Our activism is totally better than yours, too. While us freedom folks… Read more »
And yet, none of the companies that went woke went broke. Disney, Coca-Cola, Nike and even the NFL are all doing great. Weird huh? I guess corporations could give a shit about the conservative dollar. Even though you get down and suck its dick at every opportunity, capitalism prefers the business of liberals. They do tend to be richer after all. I bet that gets your knickers in a twist. I guess our side is doing something right. =)
(I’ll let you off easy with my previous questions. It’s okay, I know you don’t have any answers.)
Uh huh. Ya know, Karl, it’s much easier to get rich when libtard weirdo lawmakers have your back and stuff. You can ask Nancy Pelosi about that one. She hates free markets, by the way. That’s cuz they get in the way of her husband’s insider trading and stuff. Anyway, have ya heard the good news? The economy’s as strong as hell. Joe Biden told us this while he was eating a waffle cone again. Wanna see it? Well here it is. https://twitter.com/i/status/1581435499331301376 In fact, the economy is so strong as hell, that the Joester needed to travel to Oregon… Read more »
A waffle cone sounds pretty good right now. I’ll have to go get one.
Same bro. It’s alright if I call you bro, right?
why do you take the affect of a moron? we can think you are a moron by the things you *say: theres no need to pretend to be something else
Why is that okay, and not the social contract?
Well shit… you’re onto something there Karl. It even works if you apply it to slavery. And rape. I mean, if we don’t consent to being born, then why care about consent at all. Gosh you’re a good debater. White flag here bro 🙁 🙂
White flag… the non-racist one, I swear!
Wow, and I thought the libs were supposed to be easy to trigger. All this because you made a retarded argument. lol
Anyway, your trolling is a bit better here, but you’re a little too butthurt for it to be effective. It comes off as pretty forced.
Yeah, hence the white flag (surrender, not racist.) Learning from the best 😀
God. Consent is versatile, isn’t it Intrigare?
Ya know, all I need now is for the Creepster to come in and tell us all to stfu and stuff and my weekend’ll be complete.
Anyway, “Life, Liberty & Levin’s” coming on pretty soon so I’m checking out for the night. Karl’s totally lucky too, cuz if it wasn’t for that I’d be totally letting him have it about all those gross things he lets homos do to his butt and stuff. You have no idea. 😉
Yes very versatile. Karl and his friends in the deep state can tell us when consent matters and when it doesn’t. Because of birth and stuff. Case closed.
Well, things like slavery and rape are really bad for society because they traumatize and deprive people of their bodily autonomy for nothing in return. Adhering to the social contract and and telling your kid to brush their teeth before bed does not fall into that same rationale, no matter how hard libertarians try to make that comparison.
Yeah I don’t think libertarians try to make that comparison. Myself, I’m waiting for you to tell me what you think the terms of that contract are so I can even have a position on it. lol
Oh, that’s an easy one, Intrigare. The terms are “or else.”
Naturally, Karl’ll tell us it’s totally not that and it’s totally all about protecting society’s fabric from right-wing hellholes and stuff, but the truth is it’s really totally the other thing.
That can’t be. Karl said it’s totally different from rape and slavery and stuff. Anxiously awaiting his answer. He’s so smart isn’t he?
He did? Bollocks. I must’ve missed that part when I was bugging him about what his gay kinks were and stuff. I know. I know. Totally gross, right? Anyway, Mark Levin totally had Benjamin Netanyahu on his show to hock his stupid book and stuff and it was so totally boring I ended up sitting on the toilet through it reading Matt Walsh’s “What Is a Woman?” again, instead. Great book, by the way. The shit, though? Not so great. May have to go back for an encore performance later. That chicken alfredo I ate for din din isn’t sitting… Read more »
Hey you ever check out that “Do You Want to Play with My Balls” book I told you about? You totally should, its a riot.
I did! I also read the sequel, “Do You Want To Play With My Box?” Did you read that one? Funny stuff, Intrigare. Anyway, looks like Karl’s talking out of his butt about “social contracts” again. I guess now he’s given up standing up for the whole “or else” part of these things and now he’s saying you can get out of them whenever ya want – just by moving and stuff! I guess he hasn’t heard what the IRS does to US taxpayers trying to get away with that sort of mischief, huh? Boy, he’s gonna be so mad… Read more »
I have read that! Yes its just as good. Don’t go reading that to your kids though, lol.
Yeah the US would be a completely different place if a social contract like that actually existed, wouldn’t it? I just never thought I would see a commie pushing for something like that, but there you have it.
Anyway remember when you and Jacks used to have pet names for each other and stuff? lol What happened to that anyway?
Oh, that? I don’t know, Intrigare. I think we just grew apart and stuff. You know how things are. It probably didn’t help that Karl is way more awesome than Jacks is.
Karl’s smarter, too. Ya know, I’ll bet Jacks doesn’t even know what a social contract is, much less that you can get out of one just by moving to Canada or something, am I right?
It’s both. It’s not a negotiation. You follow the terms of the contract, or you leave. If you choose to stay, your stuff and person is subject to seizure. It’s pretty easy to understand.
In return, you get a society with police, fire fighters, safe and clean water, education, and a myriad of other benefits. Your choice.
Here’s the terms: If you benefit from living in the United States, you will contribute toward sustaining the United States.
If you don’t like it, you have the option to get off of the United States’ land and leave.
Sheesh that’s cold. What about the ones who can’t contribute? Like the disabled. Are they just supposed to starve to death in the gutter or something?
You know how the current system works. You aren’t that retarded. You are confusing our current system with what a libertarian society would have.
Huh? Those are your words Karl. “If you benefit from living in the United States, you will contribute toward sustaining the United States.”
Okay let’s just leave it at that then. I think I’ll side with your fellow bleeding hearts and disagree on this one bro.
I didn’t know you were such a proponent of taxation and welfare. Sounds good to me bro.
So am I still right wing bro?
Maybe, but you’re hardly an ancap if you believe in taxation and welfare.
Charity doesn’t come with a violent threat against the source of income to beget the charitable act. If it does, it’s just another form of theft and not actual charity. For instance, I can’t see some cold person without proper clothing and tear the jacket off your back and deliver it to the cold person and point to my act as being, “charitable”. I can ask if you have a spare coat, give them my coat or come up with some other form of helping them, but to rob from you and call it charity just means I’m abusing the… Read more »
I don’t know why we are talking about charity, but fine.
Do you think social welfare programs came about because charity was so effective, or because it sucked? Charity is and always has been terrible at helping society’s indigent.
I think government “social welfare programs” came about from the point of a gun, which, as I pointed out. isn’t charity. Without employing faux “compassion” where government pretends to be doing charity albeit with stolen money, many people would figure out government is just another gang of thugs. Can’t have that! The effectiveness of something is important, but the means used to effecuate the effectiveness is important. As in, shouldn’t be a violent means. The violent means sort of cancels out the benefit. Did you know government regulations contribute to homelessness? I’d be proud of you if you are concerned… Read more »
It works better than government. Do you think there are so many voluntary sector charitable organizations today, to which people voluntarily give much more money than they voluntarily give to government, because government anti-poverty programs have been so effective, or because they bite?
“If you don’t like it, you have the option to get off of the United States’ land and leave.” Only if you allow them to extort money from you for a passport, right? You could go to Indian tribal reservation land without one, but because the U.S. government doesn’t respect Indian sovereignty over any of the lands to which they have a better historical claim than the U.S. government, they would still threaten violence against you there if you did not comply with their dictates (even if you were hurting no one). I guess their “social contract” must have a… Read more »
“Adhering to the social contract” is just a euphemism for coercive government that does in fact involve various forms of slavery – taxation, conscription, depriving people of their bodily autonomy by prohibiting use of various substances, criminalizing prostitution, abortion, etc., often for nothing in return. The southern slaveholding class had their rationalizations for slavery too, how it was supposedly in the interests of the slaves and made them better off than free Northern laborers: “The Negro slaves of the South are the happiest, and, in some sense, the freest people in the world. The children and the aged and infirm… Read more »
About how many kids would you say consent to being aborted? Does your “social contract” include children and unborn ? Is it a violation of your “social contract” to kill a being that isn’t trying to kill you? Does your “social contract” assume a person living in a given area, must kill others the masters tell them to if the murders are euphemizied by calling it “war”? Do different plantations have different terms for what their social contracts entail ? For instance if cannabalism were the norm in a given society, would people in THAT society be obligated to eat… Read more »
“About how many kids would you say consent to being aborted?” Zero. And zero kids are aborted. Plenty of fetuses are though. “Does your “social contract” include children and unborn ? Is it a violation of your “social contract” to kill a being that isn’t trying to kill you?” Children yes, unborn no. Since I am not a vegan, then no, it is not a violation to kill a being that isn’t trying to kill me. “Does your “social contract” assume a person living in a given area, must kill others the masters tell them to if the murders are… Read more »
I am not “pro life” in the political sense. I prefer people don’t have abortions, but recognize my preferences don’t grant me the right to force people not to. I also understand it’s a complex and personal issue. Not for government to decide in most cases. Should never be forcibly subsidized either. It’s good you seek agreement on what rights are and aren’t. I refer to a principle where individual consent is important and not violating it helps to form a basis for rights. Things which violate consent, make for poor protectors of rights. Rights, are those things which no… Read more »
What if somebody believes that a fetus has those rights, and you don’t? Who gets to decide if the fetus lives or dies? How should this be adjudicated? Even based on your principle of consent, I can rationalize answers for both.
(Once again, It’s the same question I’ve been asking over and over.)
If somebody believes a fetus has rights, they aren’t likely to get an abortion. Admittedly, they may be willing to use government violence to impose their beliefs on other people to prevent an abortion. Ironic, that you have no problem with that policy (violent threats) when you like the outcome, but you do have a problem with it, when you don’t like the outcome. My answer is simple, it’s not my body or my fetus / unborn person and I don’t want to add more violence via government to act as an arbiter. So, I stay out of it as… Read more »
“Ironic, that you have no problem with that policy (violent threats) when you like the outcome, but you do have a problem with it, when you don’t like the outcome.” That’s not ironic at all. In fact, it’s fairly straightforward and logical. I like when the government does good things, and I don’t like when they do bad things. “My answer is simple, it’s not my body or my fetus / unborn person and I don’t want to add more violence via government to act as an arbiter. So, I stay out of it as far as acting on it,… Read more »
Societies don’t determine who has rights. You seem confused about the difference between a right and a revokable privilege. If societies did determine who has rights, you could justify slavery simply by voting it into place. I should start keeping track of how many times you use vacuous terms like “society” as a catch all for rationalizing why something is justified or not. Using your method of “society” being able to vote a right into place or remove it by soliciting a majority vote or by having the most guns, the earth is forever subject to shifting under a person’s… Read more »
@ Karl That’s not ironic at all. In fact, it’s fairly straightforward and logical. I like when the government does good things, and I don’t like when they do bad things. Oh, it is very ironic, Karl. The government begins with an assumption of consent, even when none is given. That’s a bad thing. You invent something called a “social contract” and then attempt to use that as a reason to justify government doing further actions which are bad. We know those actions are bad actions because if you or I did the same things and assumed consent when none… Read more »
“The government begins with an assumption of consent, even when none is given. That’s a bad thing.” How? “You invent something called a “social contract” and then attempt to use that as a reason to justify government doing further actions which are bad. We know those actions are bad actions because if you or I did the same things and assumed consent when none was actually given. most people would shun us or recognize our actions are despicable. You’ve never overcome that obstacle.” You’ve never overcome the obstacle showing why government and an individual should be treated the same. Do… Read more »
To assume consent, is to violate consent. Would you be okay if I violated your consent? Tell me where you live and I will come violate your consent, if you don’t like it you can always move. Deal? I ask, only as a specious formality, I don’t need your consent, according to your words. All I need to do is declare myself your government and it transforms my actions into legal orders. Make sure you have some cold beer in “our” fridge too. I get thirsty y’know! Government is a legal fiction. It is only an aggregate of individual people… Read more »
“To assume consent, is to violate consent. Would you be okay if I violated your consent?” Not really. Violating consent is violating consent. No, I wouldn’t. Tell me where you live and I will come violate your consent, if you don’t like it you can always move. Deal? I ask, only as a specious formality, I don’t need your consent, according to your words. All I need to do is declare myself your government and it transforms my actions into legal orders. Make sure you have some cold beer in “our” fridge too. I get thirsty y’know! You can try,… Read more »
“Societies don’t determine who has rights. You seem confused about the difference between a right and a revokable privilege. If societies did determine who has rights, you could justify slavery simply by voting it into place.” They objectively do. After all, what good is it to have a right if it is never defended? What is the difference between that scenario and not having the right in the first place? Nothing but a small “how many angels dancing on the head of a pin” philosophical difference. “I should start keeping track of how many times you use vacuous terms like… Read more »
Speaking of fantasy…if it’s criminal (morally wrong regardless of legal fiction horseshit declaring otherwise) to violate consent… and clearly it is, since you wouldn’t want me to violate your consent… why are you okay with a mass violation of consent by other people who you place above that morality? These same people are always murdering thieving parasitic scum, and you want me to bow to that? Ummm, no. You’ve never answered that question. You mumble something about a fictiotious social contract, none of us have seen and many of us wouldn’t accept if it did exist. Magical contracts are not… Read more »
why are you okay with a mass violation of consent by other people who you place above that morality?
I reject your framing of this question, but fundamentally my answer is that at the end of the day our current system provides better outcomes for the vast majority of people than the one you propose.
That’s it. You can blubber about consent and having to eat government vegetables and how it’s not fair and everything, and we can quibble about all of that, but until you can show otherwise this is the sticking point between me and your worldview.
Democide. You accept democide. Collateral damage, you accept collateral damage. Own those things and then still try to make your claim with a straight face.
I don’t eat government vegetables, I grow my own.
That’s a leap of logic. Just because those things happen under government doesn’t mean I accept them. They can be reduced or eliminated.
To eliminate an entity that uses coercion as a primary means, you need to shift to consent as the primary means, and remove the coercion part. That would be a real change.
Talking about reducing something by not changing the means used, when it’s that particular means used that needs removing is nearly as absurd as claiming an invisible “social contract” is a justification for using violence on people who clearly do not consent but are otherwise peaceful. Say that really fast 3 times, betcha can’t!
We can reduce the errors government makes without getting rid of government. That’s not absurd.
I am not interested in getting rid of the government. It prevents the formation of the terrible society you want.
I could just as easily hand-wave away any bad things that happen in a free society with similar vague language about reducing or eliminating them, but I don’t think you’d find such an argument sufficient. Nor do I find it so when applied to State control.
As the historical record of democide clearly shows, the worst things that happen under government are worse than the worst things that happen with freedom.
So let me get this straight – your argument is that since parents control and discipline their kids, this makes it okay for government to similarly treat adults as children in the name of a mythical “social contract”?
Ian’s trial is the first.
Like only two weeks away.
His whole life is in the balance.
Hopefully his case is strong, like he says.
I voted for one of the crypto 6; the tranny.
I did Identity politics
I understand that the idea of NOT engaging with trolls isnt popular among the hand full of trolls here…. which is the majority here… intergar karl …rotten crotch…thats pretty much them:..all fake and fluid names
Not engaging with trolls is unpopular here lol..
I just had the chance to see some of the previous video where Ian and friends go to Concord for no purpose other than to harass well meaning, hard working State Employees. These are employees of the very State that you claim to love and want to secede with. In my experience, most NH state employees do a great job for relatively low wages. This awful behavior is much like the same nonsense that we saw in Keene. It is why so many people will cheer when Mr. Freeman is sent to federal prison. There will be no jury nullification.… Read more »
I don’t think you know the case better then Ian and his lawyer do.
You just wish ill apon him
“This awful behavior is much like the same nonsense that we saw in Keene.” Almost like it is a style of activism that came out of Keene? You better be careful there, David might jump on you for saying stuff like that. lol Seriously though, I think Ian overstepped here. He’s usually very careful with his activism and illegal activities, but he got greedy and now is going to face the consequences. The libertarian defense of Ulbrict is seriously one I don’t understand. There are documented emails and blockchain transactions showing that he was perfectly willing and capable of killing… Read more »
You should apply for the prosecutor job because they are not doing it correctly and they’re missing things lol. Because Ross wasn’t a prosecuted for a murder plot
It was easier to prove the other counts, and he got enough prison time that pursuing it further was pointless. The evidence is all there though.
Or.. they didn’t have the goods on him.
its your fault, for not telling the prosecutors what you know.
Niether me nor the prosecutor is losing sleep over this. Ross is going to die in prison, murder-for-hire conviction or no.
In the meantime, check out his email correspondence and blockchain transactions. It’s a pretty compelling case.
the point is, that you are talking out of your ass. lol
So to you, and you can speak for the prosecutor, it’s a compelling case.
And the prosecutor didn’t prosecute because he just wanted to be a generous nice guy.
You can speak for him on that too.
The Prosecutor didn’t bring the murder for hire charges against Ullbricht for purely tactical reasons. If Ullbricht somehow beat the other charges, he would have been re-arrested and the new charges would have then been brought forward. But, when he got a double life sentence plus 40 years, it simply became unnecessary.
This is correct. He was actually indicted on the murder-for-hire charge in Maryland, but they dropped it after his sentencing.
indictments don’t mean much. you should know that.
You say he was indicted as if thats some indication of guilt or something; which is nonsense.
But that’s how you roll
Nope, the indictment does not indicate guilt. The email logs and the blockchain transactions do though. Did you look through them?
blah. it doesn’t matter. not interested
You sure were interested earlier. Anyway, thanks for pointlessly interjecting yourself in this discussion.
that’s because you digress into sidetracks that aren’t relevant.
Plain and simple; it matters what the prosecutors think! Not what you think, or what i think. And you don’t speak for the prosecutors though you pretend to. Abd the prosecutors know how court works; they are actually lawyers. Unlike you! Again. They know how to form a case they know all the evidence and all the strength of their case. Unike you who has his biases and Ill will toward Ian and figures that’s enough to decide whether or not someone’s guilty. Your ill will toward Ian doesn’t win cases. The prosecutors decided not to prosecute not because they… Read more »
i mixed ian with ross but it applies to both.
David, is your debate strategy just to ramble on and on about nonsense until your opponent gets tired? If so, you’re doing a fantastic job. You are arguably better than Silvia on that front. David, this is going to blow your mind, but even slightly intelligent people are capable of making inferences and using both deductive and inductive reasoning. No, I don’t speak for the prosecutor, but if you are capable of even basic logic you can see the strategy they used to make sure Ross went to prison. People, even prosecutors, don’t want to put in a shit ton… Read more »
you *did* speak for the prosecutor.
and yes you don’t debate..
bye
troll
lol is that your lame critique of what I’ve said? Yes, the prosecutor is not losing sleep over this. There is this special ability called speculation that people who aren’t braindead can do. I know to your mind it sounds like magic, but its true! In this case, it involves putting yourself in the prosecutor’s shoes, and reasonably inferring how they feel based off of what you know. Crazy stuff, am I right? Maybe one day they will develop a Flowers for Algernon like intelligence boost for you so you can understand what I am talking about.
lol is that your lame critique of what I’ve said? Yes, the prosecutor is not losing sleep over this. There is this special ability called speculation that people who aren’t braindead can do. I know to your mind it sounds like magic, but its true! In this case, it involves putting yourself in the prosecutor’s shoes, and reasonably inferring how they feel based off of what you know. Crazy stuff, am I right? Maybe one day they will develop a Flowers for Algernon like intelligence boost for you so you can understand what I am talking about.
Who needs court: we have people like you just KNOW! lol
For somebody who thinks the government court can make mistakes in rendering a guilty verdict, it’s awfully weird how you think that logic only works in one direction. There have been many instances where people should have been charged but weren’t.
so he was “guilty” but the prosecutors just said “you are guilty of a murder plot but that’s ok”
you are so full of shit
*Before you reply we are talking about 1 case! don’t muddy the waters with all this “Prosecutors always do that”
learn to argue
you phoney
Oh David, you truly exemplify the Dunning-Kruger effect when it comes to debate and discussion. It’s hilarious.
more of your debate skills: “i know you are, but what am i”
ok troll
ok you don’t understand what i said. i don’t think you tried.
you read selectivity.
But i did tell you it was long form of “you talk of out your ass”
Does anybody understand what you say? You’re barely above that weird spam account below us in comprehensibility.
yawn.. you are boring
maybe you understood that.. obviously reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit
did you understand the part where i said “you talk of it your ass”
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still can’t perform
thanks depopulation shot thecovidblog
Blocked by both the NH Free State Project and the NH Libertarian Party Twitter accounts. #FREEDUMB
you are blocked because you are a dummy
Single-engine plane crashes into New Hampshire apartment building killing EVERYONE on board and sending 40-foot flames leaping into the sky
#ABV
darn! i was hoping you were aboard
@Karl You said – “And what is the alternative? Realize that having a method is better than having nothing, which is what you have”. The alternative to a consent violation is to get consent. Try it, you’ll get more second dates! You default to the fiction that people already have consented, even when they haven’t. The thing we both probably want, a peaceful situation, is rendered impossible by your ideas. It is impossible for an entity to protect people from people who might violate their consent, if the first thing that entity does is to violate the consent of the… Read more »
In your world a peaceful situation is impossible because you either do what the capitalist wants or you starve. Alternatively, a person gets rich enough to hire a private army and they take whatever you have.
How do you address that?
Your claim is based in speculative fear and without evidence, not to mention murders the actual meaning of words. Crony capitalists only exist thru the aid and existence of government. That’s what exists today, not an actual free market. I like free markets, since they don’t involve an “or else” and embrace peaceful and consensual human interactions. I don’t conflate “capitalism” as it exists today with an actual free market, like you might be doing. They are not the same thing. No system, natural or imposed will guarantee every person will be peaceful, but a system based in coercion, like… Read more »
“Your claim is based in speculative fear and without evidence, not to mention murders the actual meaning of words.” Without evidence? 19th century robber barons under little to no government regulation would like to have a word. And they even had to obey some laws too! Imagine if they didn’t have to obey any. “I don’t conflate “capitalism” as it exists today with an actual free market, like you might be doing. They are not the same thing.” What is capitalism then, and how does your society prevent it from becoming the main exploitative force of society? “No system, natural… Read more »
Clearly I would have to annex the entire island as part of my manifest destiny. I’d then proceed to enforce the invisible “social contract” that the other person was party to, even if they didn’t want to be. Not my fault, they showed up on my island! Then I’d claim “eminent romaine” on his side of the island after I had planted dozens of heads of lettuce on the former site of his hut I demolished under my “5 year plan”.This lettuce would then be used as the pre-eminent currency thus sinking the value of the worthless coconuts. If he… Read more »
So if your system is apparently no better than mine, why should we switch?
stfu, troll
It’s wrong to violate the consent of an otherwise peaceful person, that’s why.
It’s wrong to let a person live in pain, poverty, and hunger when there are enough resources to go around. That to me is more important than a couple bucks in your pocket.
Aren’t you the same guy that claimed he’d call the cops if I crashed your house and began acting as if I was part owner in my hypothetical example of property ownership several posts back?
So which is it, that’s “our couch”, or do you own the damn thing ?
It’s wrong to put your feet on our couch Karl and where’s my damn sandwich!!?
What does that have to do with the discussion we are having?
@karl You said – “Who is engaging in fantasy thinking here? You can’t even sort out the very basics of your society, like how a criminal will be held accountable for their actions”. Except, you’re wrong. I can figure that out. While I don’t have the means to hold every government or free lance criminal accountable. I can spread ideas to indoctrinated people that people who use coercion as a means shouldn’t be revered, rather they should be exposed and rejected. I just don’t make an exception for those kind of people if they have a title or a badge… Read more »
“Except, you’re wrong. I can figure that out.”
You must be keeping those details a secret then, because I’ve asked you several times and gotten no answer.
karl is a troll that talks out of his ass..
only a week left till ians trial….
i think ian will win his case
Did you see the recent court documents? Specifically Exhibit A – LocalBitcoin Chat? Ian is guilty as shit. It’s clear as day that he aided a Nigerian scammer. How can he live with himself?
Ian, seriously, how can you fucking live with yourself? You can’t even abide by your own principles. I guess the almighty dollar was too tempting, huh?
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nhd.56159/gov.uscourts.nhd.56159.218.1.pdf
Here you go. Go ahead, try to deny that Ian aided scammers. I want to hear the stupid twisted logic you chucklefucks come up with.
you have zero cred
As has been previously stated, by numerous people: You talk out of your ass lol
Yeah he does lol.
Twisted logic? Here goes. Most of the chat was of Ian gathering required ID’s. Wait, what? I thought the FBI’s case was about how Ian didn’t do that. LOL
How is this transaction any different from what would occur at any bank of your choice, Western Union, etc.? I got news for you: they aid scammers too 🙁 The Nigerian identified himself as an in-law of the sender. That happens. What is Ian supposed to do, ask for birth certificates and marriage certificates?
“Mr. Freeman has never interacted with Mary Hurd to the best of his recollection.” This statement is from Ian’s attorney in today’s filing. So lets see, what could Ian have done? Well, how about he actually talk or interact with the person he’s conducting business with so it’s not a third party transaction? That would of course be following the terms of service of LocalBitcoin, which he didn’t do. I guess he doesn’t actually give a shit about private property or contracts either. He could also take notice of the obvious scam and refuse to do business. That’s what somebody… Read more »
how did you become so hateful, ignorant, and stupid? lol
Uh huh. Because we always interact with a live person whenever we do business with online right? Or using an ATM machine and stuff. LocalBitcoin TOS? Shit that’s nice of the FBI to enforce LocalBitcoin rules right?
Obvious scam? You sure are smart, because to me the scam kinda isn’t obvious just from reading the chat. Unless you’re racist against Nigerians and stuff. I’m pretty sure not all are scammers.
Btw you seem pretty angry. Are you sure Ian didn’t piss in your cheerios or something?
“Uh huh. Because we always interact with a live person whenever we do business with online right? Or using an ATM machine and stuff.” Nope, but do you know who is liable when things go sideways with online transactions? The bank that issues your card. They can investigate and reverse fraudulent transactions. That’s why the scammer wouldn’t take a check from his mark. “LocalBitcoin TOS? Shit that’s nice of the FBI to enforce LocalBitcoin rules right?” Actually, I thought you’d have more respect for private rules on private property. I guess that also gets tossed aside when convenient, huh? So… Read more »
Gosh we could do this all day. Since I’m feeling generous with feeding the trolls and stuff, so I’ll answer more of your bait and switch or whathaveyou.
So credit card transactions need no live interaction, but bitcoin does. Welp I guess we better tell every bitcoin exchange that. Starting to see yet why we say bitcoin is not a crime?
Private rules on private property… I’m not convinced that Ian broke any TOS, but I’m sure you could find some libertarian somewhere that violates terms on something. Congratulations, troll. You win.
“If he actually communicated with her and asked her if she wanted to send bitcoin to a guy in Nigeria.”
How do we know he didn’t communicate with her? Was this woman actually scammed out of thousands of dollars? Is she going to testify against Ian? I was under the impression that it was a setup from the FBI.
“I am angry at people that facilitate scams. Ian pissed all over everybody’s cheerios when he did that.”
Haha yeah that must be it.
“How do we know he didn’t communicate with her?” “Mr. Freeman has never interacted with Mary Hurd to the best of his recollection.” This statement is from Ian’s attorney in today’s filing. Unless you think Ian is lying to play some 4D chess move? lol “Was this woman actually scammed out of thousands of dollars?” It appears so. “Is she going to testify against Ian?” Literally the last two motions on the docket discuss this. Do you need a link? “I was under the impression that it was a setup from the FBI.” Based on what? Simply because you don’t… Read more »
“It appears so.” I guess you missed the part where she told the FBI that she “never used her own money” (I finally read it.) Actually I don’t see any indication that she felt scammed at all, and completely forgot about it until the FBI came knocking at her door. And if you think about it, with her full cooperation the Nigerian could just as easily have posed as her on LocalBitcoin to accomplish the very same thing. “I also dislike Ian for personal reasons. This just adds to the pile of how he is a piece of shit.” Yeah… Read more »
“I guess you missed the part where she told the FBI that she “never used her own money” (I finally read it.)” I made that comment before reading that exhibit, as it wasn’t unlocked on Court Listener at the time. (You’re welcome by the way, I purchased access through my PACER account so you and everybody else could read it.) Honestly, she’s still being used a a mule for these scammers, so I honestly don’t see much difference here. “Yeah it kinda shows in the baseless accusations.” There is literally a court case pending. You’ve seen some of the evidence.… Read more »
Yup. Karl’s nothing if not an obliging fellow – but only towards people with authority. In fact, he’s made it clear numerous times that he has absolutely no problem with people facilitating scams – just so long as the authorities give their blessing for them, of course. The boot-lickiness of it all just makes ya wanna toss your cookies, am I right Intrigare?
Silvia! How are you? Did you see that incriminating chat log I posted above? That was only the tip of the iceberg too! The prosecution is going to have a field day. Boy, Ian sure turned out to be a turd didn’t he? Think of the upside though, at least he won’t be able to date any fourteen year olds in prison! Tell me, and don’t play coy here. Where will you guys go when Ian goes to jail? Back to Stormfront? I mean, it’s going to be pretty hard to maintain a shitty wordpress blog during his scheduled recreational… Read more »
you are a horrible person. which makes any correct positions you MAY HAVE look *bad. And look wrong.
You make those positions look wrong because you are such a *horrible person
That’s literally the description of the ad hominem fallacy. I’m honestly tempted to include it in the wikipedia page.
no its not… you dimwit
Amazing rebuttal. lol
you turned out to be a turd…… though,.. you were a turd from the start… so… you had no where to go but up… or so it seemed…. but you did manage to go down to new lows all the time.. you douche canoe
You should look up the definition of both ellipsis and period, then take some time to reflect on which one you should use here.
you should look up the word Douche Canoe
Uh huh. I did, Karl. I did. Oh, and yeah, I totally get it. Ya really, really, really, really, really hate Ian cuz he was a bad friend to you or something when you were dabbling with libertarianism in the Free State Project and stuff. I totally feel for ya. Ya know Karl, that totally reminds me of this time when I was a kid and stuff and I totally got kicked out of a Civil War museum during a field trip cuz I totally farted really, really loud and blamed it on a wax statue of some general or… Read more »
When did I say that bitcoin transactions need to be live interaction? You realize that the exchanges adhere to KYC and anti money laundering laws right? A lot of information is collected from customers, and they don’t do third party transfers. “Private rules on private property… I’m not convinced that Ian broke any TOS, but I’m sure you could find some libertarian somewhere that violates terms on something. Congratulations, troll. You win.” You could read them, but of course you won’t, because even if he did you wouldn’t care. The talk about how we have to respect private property and… Read more »
You can’t defend Ian can you? I was expecting some bullshit rationalization, but you can’t even do that. The dude is toast in court. lol
you are so full of garbage
Haha you know I’m right, don’t you? How does it feel to have supported a fraudster this whole time?
i know your a mOron.
that’s all i know. lol
you are never right, about ANYTHING lol
you’re about as bright as a smashed light bulb
daryl
it’s obv. ian going for jury nullification and jurisdiction
in other news megyn kelly sister is deep six #ABV
Blocked by both the NH Free State Project and the NH Libertarian Party Twitter accounts. #FREEDUMB
i wonder what the guesstimate of the length of time of Ian’s trial is…..it, i believe, is starting Tuesday… maybe it ends the same day.
I guess this has to be said: This question isn’t for the trolls on freekeene, tho they *think they know the answer to everything
David, do you think there is anybody else here? You’re talking to us buddy.
Anyway, usually less than a week is typical. I suspect his case will be on the shorter end, but who knows.
yes: you are the troll i told not to comment.
you are a garbage person.. Nothing is *far better than anything from a *garbage person (which you are).. Who EVERYONE KNOWS! talks OUT OF HIS ASS.
STFU!!!
Nothing is *far better* than GARBAGE
Well, It’s too bad that you don’t get to dictate who comments.
It’s so sad that you don’t get to limit my speech. I guess that’s just what an authoritarian tries to do though.
STFU!!!
Why don’t you make me?
you are a garbage person
did you look up the word douche canoe ? (like you are supposed to)
To “Karl”, please stop commenting on FK.
All you are is gabage.
All you say is garbage.
This might be feeding the garbage troll.
get a life
No u
you are the pathetic troll: go away troll.
im not a troll
you are though
I don’t know David. You don’t seem to be adding anything meaningful to these conversations. You just insult everybody. Maybe you are actually the troll.
Telling a troll to shut the fuck up, isn’t trolling
you stupid fuck.
Troll harder
obviously im not current with the crypto 6 trial… the most up to date, that i just found, is that its now early December