What did you expect them to do? If they let people get away with not paying their racket, them more people will stop paying, and their system will collapse under it’s own weight. However, as the people are dealing with their outrageous monetary demands, rising prices, an ever-inflating dollar, and new layoffs announced ever week, the bureaucrats voted to fund a private company’s $5,000 business case for the farming Co-Op. I wonder how the guy being evicted from his home would have voted? While they are at it, they voted to adjust property tax rates to account for falling property values. While you are expected to do more with less, they do more with more, because well . . . It’s your money they’re spending.
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This article and narrative are disingenuous at best, and bold lies at worst. If you all are tax experts, then I'm sure you are aware that the tax collector and the City Council have extremely limited options once a property enters the tax lien/deed process. As a matter of fact, unless the municipality is aware of potential liability arising out of ownership of the property (see RSA 80:76, II and II-a), then the tax collector MUST tax deed the property two years after the recording of a tax lien. If you don't like this process, you'll have to whine and… Read more »
Keene city councilors have the option of transgressing the law at once. But they apparently didn't even show interest in amending the law, judging by the video.
@ "Ignorance must equal bliss":
You can avoud our "antics" entirely–just stop stealing our money and kidnapping people who haven't harmed anyone!
Personally, I think our group is a lot of fun, and I think if you talked to a few of us you might grow to like us. 🙂
P.S. Excellent video, Sam! Very high production quality.
…the tax collector MUST tax deed the property… Or what? The tax collector will burst into flames? Turn into a pumpkin? Or maybe men in dark blue suits with guns will break into their homes, kidnap them and use violence or the threat of violence to coerce them into complying? No, Sir or Madame, the tax collector has a choice. They can choose between morality and immorality. Between what is just and what is unjust. Of course, there will be consequences. Even those who work for this broken, morally bankrupt, criminal gang called government are subject to it's violence if… Read more »
ZEUS get a grip. Your rhetoric about liberty minded people causing a wave of liberty to crash down upon someone sounds great. Riddle me this BATMAN. Whaat happens in your liberty based society when someone does not pay for services? Like it or not taxes pay for services…..whether you indirectly or directly use them. In your "lets trade the government of force backed by men with guns" scenario were you have a right to contract for all the services the property tax pays for do you really believe a business man will not have the right to foreclose on your… Read more »
If someone doesn't pay for a service they don't get it (anymore). Or they will get sued. Dave Barry thinks taxes buy you the service of not being thrown in jail and he's right. That's no service at all, that's extortion. If the services this tax money allegedly pays for are so valuable, put it out there on the free market like everyone else. IOW, if it's so great why do you have to use a credible threat of force to make people buy it? What are these municipal services that these taxes allegedly pay for? btw I don't think… Read more »
geo, I answered you on an earlier thread, did you read it? It's quite simple. I have no problem with people using force to make me pay what I have promised to pay for a good I have chosen to purchase. What I object to is violence being used against me to force me to "purchase" the good in the first place. Such a "purchase" is nothing more than a mugging. Government is the only business which will act violently against me if I try to choose not to be their customer. It's more like a mafia than anything. I… Read more »
Nice video Sam.
I see the same old typical arguments here by the statists. Ad hominim attacks, taxes pay for services, fair share, etc.
It's sad to see people so happy to live under such violence, so long as they are not on the direct receiving end.
Thank you, GeoFalon… I do like my rhetoric to be a little saucy, with a pinch of zazz. George Donnelly had it right. You don't get what you don't pay for. This means the Producers of society get only what they earn and the Parasites of society get nothing they didn't earn (or weren't freely given). Sounds pretty fair and square to me. I understand your concern is with the Parasites, those poor moochers who feed off the sweat and hard work of the Producers, those who create valuable good and services. Things won't be good for them in a… Read more »
How does your garbage get picked up?!
It gets picked up by men I've voluntarily contracted with to come pick it up. I offer them something valuable (money) and they give me something valuable (garbage pickup service) in return.
This means I can fire them, hire someone else if I am dissatisfied with their service or do it myself. That means that there is accountability. They need to do the job the way I like it or they lose my business.
Why don't you guys move back to whatever place you came from. Keene doesn't need you. NH doesn't need you. The US doesn't need you. Better yet – go create your own country on an island somewhere, a la "The Beach" and I'm sure that you'll all turn on one another and kill yourselves off. What a blessing that would be! Could you make that a reality? Try working on that… By the way, the video that Sam produced is misleading (no surprise there since Sam and Ian and few others on here twist words to their irrational satisfaction). You… Read more »
Why don’t you guys move back to whatever place you came from. Keene doesn’t need you. NH doesn’t need you. The US doesn’t need you. Thanks for the kind thoughts, Sucks. What Keene, New Hampshire and the U.S. "need" is not up to you to decide and entirely irrelevant (especially considering those are all abstract collectivist labels). Those of us moving to Keene are doing so to bring about more liberty in our lives (and yours, come to think of it) and we're not going anywhere. In fact, many, many more of us are coming to the area. You're going… Read more »
I don't get you. You insist upon acting like the little outpost in Western New Hampshire known as Keene invented all of this; you're picking on the wrong town. Why not go to Philly, where the constitution was signed? Why not try to take over the Historical Museum of Jamestown (where people in real-life costumes walk around re-enacting the period of history that would eventually result in the establishment of early America)? Why not something symbolic? something grand? Keene is an outpost, a really nice outpost with decent people who try to keep City Government Open to the citizens of… Read more »
Why don’t you guys move back to whatever place you came from. No. Keene doesn’t need you. And you possess the vast intellect to know what 24,000 individuals need? My, I'm surprised you're not running for city council with an attitude like that. NH doesn’t need you. … make that Governor. The US doesn’t need you. President! Boy, with this knowledge you possess as to who needs what, you can centrally plan everything! Better yet – go create your own country on an island somewhere, a la “The Beach” and I’m sure that you’ll all turn on one another and… Read more »
I don’t get you. You insist upon acting like the little outpost in Western New Hampshire known as Keene invented all of this; you’re picking on the wrong town. 1. You think we're picking on an abstraction? Man, we're "picking" on people who think violence is the appropriate tool to solve problems. We're treating animals– uncivilized mongrels –like they act towards their "fellow" man. 2. Keene is hardly an "outpost". Don't be disingenuous. Why not go to Philly, where the constitution was signed? Why should we? Why not try to take over the Historical Museum of Jamestown (where people in… Read more »
'Keene', 'New Hampshire' and 'The United States of America' are all fictions. How could they need or want anything at all? You're thinking of things collectively. Try to think of things on an individual basis and liberty-lovers will better be able to understand you. 🙂
Liberty is greatness, period. It's the ability to find your greatness and implement it. It's a prerequisite.
I think you'll have more luck if you refrain from so much ad hominem though. 🙂
"A bureaucrat has neither brain nor heart, so it cannot reason and it cannot have courage. A bureaucrat is naught but a tongue attached to a twisted and depraved doppelganger that they insist passes for a soul." That's crazytalk. I've heard that once before, or at least the sentiment: "it puts the lotion in the basket." Referring to another human in the abstract, hmmm? Crazy? I think soooo. "Wow, that’s what we’ve been missing! Culture, guys! Culture! We’ve had it all wrong the whole time!" Actually, no, you are missing girlfriends. "2. Democracy has never been a goal of ours–… Read more »
That’s crazytalk. I’ve heard that once before, or at least the sentiment: “it puts the lotion in the basket.” Referring to another human in the abstract, hmmm? Crazy? I think soooo. What the fuck are you talking about? Actually, no, you are missing girlfriends. Oh, you're so very clever. I bet you spent all day fuming at my post, and that was the best you could come up with. I think a scene from the Big Lebowski summarizes this the most concisely. *insert bullshit* I'm not sure I understand– are you somehow equating us with nihilists? Because that would be… Read more »
"Read Paradise Lost, listen to the Sex Pistols…therein you will find the true spirit of anarchy and rebellion."
OH. I get it. All we have to do to be rebellious individuals is be exactly like them. Makes sense.
What's great about all this is that the "Free" Staters are so utterly ineffective that their presence is like having an ongoing freak-show booth at a country fair. It doesn't affect or harm anything, and it's great entertainment. It's all good.
What's even more entertaining is ignorant Statists who knowingly embrace their violent slave system while mocking people who only want what the Founding Fathers intended for the people of this country i.e. life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Enjoy your laugh while you can. I can't imagine you'll feel much like doing it anymore when you're practically swimming in liberty activists.
Name-calling is almost certainly not going to work for either side.
Also, it's not about might (numbers of activists or supporters) but right (moral correctness of philosophy, actions).