The Keene City Council Drinking Game, Round 2
Where: 2nd Floor Keene City Hall
When: Thursday August 19th @ 6:45 P.M.
Who: Open Container Activists, Onlookers, Press/media
Rules:
All participants drink when:
1. There’s a call to order
2. A bureaucrat claims to do something as “The City of Keene”
3. Everyone stands up
4. The City Council votes for Violence
5. A vote is unanimous
6. A council member says the phrase “master plan.”
7. They plan to do something “for the children.”
9. Raise your glasses (drinking not needed) if someone suggests rolling back the size, scope or enforcement power of the government IE supports more liberty/freedom
Feel free to join us with the beverage and container of your choice. If you have feedback or input on the event, please join us in the discussion thread or the Facebook event page.
Anyone who wishes to come out in support of this event is invited, drinking or not, with or without cameras. This week will be bigger and better than the last game. Hopefully the city council will leave us alone.
See you tomorrow night!
Comments
108 Comments on The Keene City Council Drinking Game, Round 2
Sorry guys, I cant hear anything over the sound of the huge brass balls clanking together.
Good luck!
Is #8 a secret intended for the city government people to figure out?
/frantically “What are we doing that is causing them to drink that wasn’t on the list?!?!?!”
I strongly suggest everyone:
1- Remain perfectly silent…. not giving the government people a leg to stand on with any accusations that you were being disruptive.
2- Refuse to consent to a search.
3- If the police approach, place a cap on your bottle… be sure to assert your right
of privacy to its contents.
4- If you are drinking alcohol, do NOT talk to the police as you speaking could reveal the odor of alcohol on your breath.
5- Inform the police you are engaging in “symbolic speech” designed to protest your displeasure with a government policy.
6- Have fun exercising a natural and constitutional right! It is not illegal to mock the government 
He was using that finger to count the others, so like a MORON, he skipped it. HAVE SOME BALLS, DRINK REAL ALCOHOL. Mocking will get your ideas no where. Go ahead, test to see if the laws are constitutional.
HAVE SOME BALLS, DRINK REAL ALCOHOL.
HAVE SOME BALLS, USE YOUR REAL NAME.
Hey everyone, Don’t forget your “Shire Society” cards. They work just like “Get Out of Jail Free” cards. And you get free ice cream too! Really, they work. Honest.
My real name is Bob Freeman. Ian is my son. I used to be called Darth, in a galaxy far, far away.
That’s right bob, keep being scared and hiding behind your anonymity while calling people morons and cowards. Your sense of irony is not lost on me. Well played, sir.
Hey PaulO, you must be Wendy-O’s brother. Or perhaps pre-op sister. Just because someone doesn’t want a bunch of looney tune free state morons showing up at his door, it isn’t a sign of being scared. I notice you don’t have your icon up to date either. Still waiting for new photos after “the change”?
Brad,
here is the reason there is no 8.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05k90ts2biw
You have to listen until at least the 2minute mark.
Funny that someone like you bob is concerned about people showing up at your house. Don’t you see the irony in that we who advocate the repeal of the violent state are precisely the people who don’t want violent men and women to have the ability to ram in your front door and search your house as if it belonged to them?
We’re called childish by people like you when all we want is people like you to LEAVE PEACEFUL PEOPLE ALONE.
It is so simple…. yet you don’t get it.
Then stop your protests. Whine, whine, whine. That’s all you people do. I never said you are childish. I said you are assholes and shitheads. People here were doing just fine until you showed up. Thankfully children can learn to not be like you. But unfortunately, a few end up like you. So, tell me Brad, do you have the balls to drink REAL beer in the city council meeting?
People here were doing just fine until you showed up.
Actually, no. I’m a keene native, and I was and am sick of having half my money extorted from me each year and handed to the corporate buddies of corrupt politicians, or to giant worthless bureaucracies, or to pay for aggressive foreign wars that kill innocent people on a routine basis. I’m also sick of being forced to send massive amounts of money to an ineffective and wasteful government school system, when kids could receive a far better education for less than half of what they spend (mostly on bloated salaries and pensions for administrators). I’m sick of having to beg permission from a bunch of bureaucrats in order to build an addition on my own house, or to open a business. I’m sick of having money extorted from me and used to keep innocent people in prison. I’m also want my right to privacy restored, which has been violated since Bush’s and Obama’s “War on terror” began.
If the government wasn’t increasingly gigantic and abusive, this movement would never have happened bob.
So, tell me Brad, do you have the balls to drink REAL beer in the city council meeting?
No, but I would have the balls to peacefully, quietly, and lawfully protest my disagreement with the victimless open container ordinance by drinking water out of an empty beer bottle.
What is your problem with people exercising their right to protest a law they disagree with?
Bradley, bob won’t answer. He’s obviously a town employee (Bedford again?) and it’s past 4:00 so he’s long gone.
His comments are definitely worth the price of admission. Come back, bob, come baaaaack!!
Bradley, bob won’t answer. He’s obviously a town employee (Bedford again?) and it’s past 4:00 so he’s long gone.
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Hhahahahahah 
Sorry, Stanford, not a town employee. Just out getting some exercise. You know, it’s the thing you see other people doing. So Paul, you are going to protest wasting peoples money by wasting more of the city’s time and money? Smart move. Tell me, how does an open container law waste your money? And Brad, moron, wimp Brad. Grow some gonads, drink a beer, and protest the actual law that you disagree with. Or work to get the law overturned. But that wouldn’t get you any attention, would it? At least the women of your group had the cojones to take their tops off in public. But that wasn’t even illegal. So they had to get arrested for other stupid things. Go back to your video games where you fit in. You can be whomever you want to be in a virtual world. In the real world you are just you. A moron. A stupid waste of existence. Morons.
Awesome! Can’t wait to see what happens!
Bob,
Despite you’re rudeness and vitriol directed at me….. I forgive you.
Paul, you are going to protest wasting peoples money by wasting more of the city’s time and money?
Firstly, it’s Mr. Pregent that wasted the town money, by making an issue out of nothing.
And, this isn’t a protest against overspending, it’s a protest against open container laws. While I do oppose open container laws, they’re not a very important issue to me, so this isn’t the kind of event I’d be very interested in myself.
That said, people absolutely have a right to protest against what they consider to be bad laws. I find your vitriolic reaction to such activism to be disturbing, frankly. These people are quietly drinking water out of brown containers, as a protest, and not disrupting anything. What’s the big deal?
Frankly, I think the “big deal” to both you and Mr. Pregent is that these folks don’t respect the city as an organization. It’s this disrespect that is really the motivation for the arrests. I certainly do find that disturbing — the idea that folks would be arrested for questioning the government, or objecting to its behavior.
Thanks brad, that means so much to me. And your little smiley face too. You can’t see it, but I’m tearing up right now. I only have one question. Why don’t you grow some balls? I guess using that little smiley face answers my question. I gotta go. I need a tissue.
But wait, Paul. You are pathetic. Have a beer or shut the fuck up. How will your little protest change anything? It won’t, unless you protest the actual law. Did MLK, Rosa Parks, and the other ACTUAL civil rights protesters do so by pretending to sit at the lunch counters or not give up their seats on the bus? No, they actually protested the laws they disagreed with. You are nothing but little pranksters, you will accomplish nothing.
Stanford, don’t worry. If bob ever goes away we can replace him with a script that randomly picks from his favorite ad hominems.
bob – “you guys are fucking assholes!”
bob – “shithead morons!”
bob – “asshole moron shitheads!”
bob has a potty mouth. He needs to learn how to play well with others.
You should come out to the city council meeting tomorrow, bob. Perhaps have a counter protest if you feel that the town’s politicians could use your respect. You could laugh when your team gets violent and you could talk about gonads and such.
That is, if your mother lets you go out of the house after dinner.
man i cant wait tell December so i can join you guys! and maybe give BOB a big hug!
Their pranks have your attention bob. It seems like it’s changing things.
It has your potty mouth swearing over and over again in rage.
But wait, Paul. You are pathetic.
I am? Sorry to hear that Bob. What must I do to gain your approval?
Have a beer or shut the fuck up.
I might have one in an hour or so, thanks. I tried this new one a few days ago you might like — Rogue Brutal Bitter — quite good I thought.
How will your little protest change anything?
Huh? Since when is this drinking game thing my protest? Didn’t I just tell you it’s not something that I’d be interested in myself? It makes me think you’re not listening to me, Bob, and that hurts my feelings.
It won’t, unless you protest the actual law. Did MLK, Rosa Parks, and the other ACTUAL civil rights protesters do so by pretending to sit at the lunch counters or not give up their seats on the bus? No, they actually protested the laws they disagreed with.
I’m pretty sure most folks here also disagree with laws against drinking out of brown bottles. Actually, they would, but those laws don’t exist. So, I should say, I’m pretty sure most folks here also disagree with the enforcement of nonexistent laws Mr. Pregent makes up on the spot.
You are nothing but little pranksters, you will accomplish nothing.
Thanks for clearing that up Bob. By the way, what have you accomplished for liberty lately? I want to get involved with your fantastically successful tyranny vaporizing activism ASAP.
I like your style Bob….
Ian, Ive noticed you love to throw the term “ad hominem” around whenever some one starts with the names.
I suggest you look up what it means and use it in its proper context. To be
clearer, you cant just use “name calling” and “ad hominem” interchangably.
It is a very specific logical fallacy.
Heres an example: Free Keene cant enact any sort of meaningful change in the world because Ian is a self dillusional narcissist with aspergers syndrome who has been known to smoke pot every day.
See what I did there? My position avoided taking on the merit of activism or even the nature of of the group and focused instead on your personal shortcomings and dubious habits.
Here is a bad example: Ian you are an idiotic fuck lock. Its sad your insatiable thurst for attention is mistaken for integrity and blindly followed by peole who come off as weak minded cultists(the ian masks didn’t help). when will you recognize your alienation from most Keene residents helps insure your movements demise?
See, my calling you and idiotic fuck lock wasnt the focus of the argument or position. It was sort of used as pre amble there..I know the ladies love latin, but context buddy…you can do it..
Bob has a point…If the law is bullshit and unconstitutional, get it done Ghandi. Bring a bottle of Jhonny Walker in there, pour yourself a high ball and free us from the shackles of park sobriety. None of you really want to make a real sacrifice though ..Your Juggalo idiot Cappuzo is actually doing real time..Noticed no one commented on his letter. Dont hear to much about Ed and Elain any more now that I think of it..WHats the matter? Hit a little to close to home? One of you clowns is up against it for real and no one is there..New movers should think about that before they get here, smoke crack in public or marry a 12 year old. Lets see one of you convert one of your guns to full auto or screw a suppressor on the end of it and hang out on the square. it is a victimless crime…Didn’t think so…..The revolutions game plan is apparently to annoy the powers that be into submission, so the free will of the idiot can be realized…Good luck Freetards…”Tragic the gathering”
any takers here? or are we going to play “Whats your real name?” with me and Bob? mabey I misspelled a word? Dont worry guys I forgive you ahead of time for whatever it is you are about to say.. Namaste new age capitalist gun weilding peice worshipers….
Doing lots of hard time is not a good strategic choice, even disregarding the personal sacrifice aspect, NR. Civil disobedience should be chosen to be maximally effective. I’m not saying all Keene activists do chose maximally effective CD, mind you, but converting a gun and going away for many years is definitely minimal effect with maximum cost.
Which, incidentally, is probably the reason you suggested it.
But Paul,
Rosa Parks, MLK and Ghandi were putting their very lives on the line…That seems like the ultimate sacrifice…Would you consider that too little bang for the buck? Doing time is nothing compared to getting killed publicly in front of your friends and family…See what Im getting at? There’s a lot of talk about evil an injustice I just dont see any meaningful sacrifice happening. After all, your issues are as important as those of the heros i mentioned right?..Every one cheers and goes to visit a dirt bag voluntarily keeping himself in jail, Whens the last time you sent a gift basket to Ed and Elain upstate?? They recieved national press, and started a real conversation about taxation in this country..Sams idiotic stunt isn’t even remembered…Sam who?!?!? .Go big guys, the world is watching….
Rosa Parks, MLK and Ghandi were putting their very lives on the line…That seems like the ultimate sacrifice…Would you consider that too little bang for the buck?
I think they were incredibly brave — and I think history shows their actions to have been well chosen. Rosa Parks obviously had an enormous impact, for example.
Do I think changing a gun to auto in central square would have an enormous impact? No. If you’re going to risk everything for one act, the one act has to be worth it.
There’s a lot of talk about evil an injustice I just dont see any meaningful sacrifice happening.
A lot of people are sacrificing a great deal, though admittedly they are not risking as much as MLK or Rosa Parks did.
I also hope you’ll forgive me if I don’t take advice from an opponent very seriously. Do you think MLK called up Laurie Pritchett to help him decide what to do next?
After all your issues are as important as those of the heros i mentioned right?
No, most current liberty issues are not nearly as important as segregation was. I’d say aggressive war would rise to that level — perhaps taxation as a whole. Niether of these issues have been dealt with using Keene style activism at this point.
There are few things that impinge on a person’s liberty as much as being systematically discriminated against by their society. Being killed would, and having half your labor stolen and much of it handed to bankers, etc, would at least be close.
Whens the last time you sent a gift basket to Ed and Elain upstate?? They recieved national press, and started a real conversation about taxation in this country
Sending them something is a good suggestion, it’s good to have compassion on people like that, who get chewed up by the system. I do think they made a big mistake by using a forceful defense, and they believed in a lot of conspiracy theories which I think clouded their judgment.
I think if they’d taken a nonviolent approach, and say, chained themselves to their home along with signs defending property rights, and opposed to this sort of confiscatory taxation, and broadcast the whole thing, they could have had a greater and better effect with far less jail time. Note that a common stance of both Gandhi and MLK was strict nonviolence.
Again, though, forgive me for being skeptical of advice from folks who oppose most or all pro-liberty goals in the first place.
Paul,
Fine leave the guns alone and bring real booze to your little Town hall , like Bob suggests, if you dont your’re not really protesting anything..Im not giving you advice, Im questioning the conviction and zeal of the FK prankskateers. Ians heroic 3 days in county during couchgate wasn’t even enough time to learn how to play spades properly..Paul, let me ask you a question..How many of your friends are non FS or FK people?
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You have called me out, and you are right.
Well, at least you are right about what an Ad Hominem really is. Thanks for the correction, as rude as it was.
People did have beer at the last city council meeting. It was NA beer, but it was beer.
People will do civil disobedience and noncooperation if and when they are ready. Not everyone is as courageous as you and “bob”. Risk is scary.
Ian,
Sorry I was rude, I bet you have ad hominem down cold now though..
So, same question for you..How many of your friends are non liberty activists?
Define “friend”. I define friends as people who are closest to me and most important in my life. I generally don’t think one can have more than 5-10 real friends in life. Those people would all believe in liberty, though not all are activists.
It’s hard to be a friend with someone who wants to see you aggressed against.
Cmon Ian
show the angry beast you mean bidnez…bring some proper refreshment..You aren’t really “risking” anything..You aren’t going to show the rest of the Liberty community you aren’t willing to back up your convictions are you? A lot of people listen to you…Its important for you to be a powerful example for what the human will can do when its time to speak truth to power..
In case you haven’t been paying attention, I’ve been arrested three times this year. I don’t think I have to prove anything to you. There’s only so far I can go at this point in time, but thanks!
I’m back to being the state’s bitch for now. My courage is not unlimited, but it’s greater now than it has been. I know I have set an example for others as Lauren and Russell and Kat had set for me.
Those who have come before me have stepped down their civil disobedience activism too, and that’s okay. No one expects one or two people to carry the ball all the way to the end zone. There are more coming who will pick it up, and I’m not out of the game entirely, just taking a time out.
Thanks for the encouragement, though.
Really?
I have friends who are libertarians…Strange..seems unhealthy to sepparate yourself from the community you have moved into like that. No room for any other perspectives in your life other than the simple logic of liberty I guess.How can you have an adequate idea how you are perceived in Keene? I know you dont see the Sentinel feed back pages as a representantion..Ive seen you all walk into bars together here in town..I noticed there isnt a lot of mingling with the “natives” you look awkward, out of place..Mabey you’re right about having 5 or so friends…mine aren’t an echo chamber though and people who dont happen to share my politics and philosophy arent exiled and called names.
My my, what anger! The name calling is silly and doesn’t accomplish anything other than to show that we are getting under your skin, Bob. That’s progress for us! CD isn’t the only technique being used to change stupid laws; there is a letter that has been submitted to city council to have the open container ordinance reviewed and hopefully removed. It’s not the most important issue in the world, but it’s something. It’s an unfair, and in my opinion, unneeded ordinance. Brad and Ian, you are incredible people, please pay no mind to the ‘childish’ name calling!
I don’t generally go to bars except to meet with friends I already have. I’m not much of a mingler. I have a business to run. Outside that I have my hobbies, one of which is activism.
Meeting new people is not a hobby of mine. I’m a bit of an introvert. I have to make effort to introduce myself to new people, and I’m presented with plenty of new faces in the form of those who are coming here from outside NH and those joining the movement from within, so my plate is pretty full.
Luckily, the movement is full of different people who are mingling, but you wouldn’t notice that, because it’s not done as a group effort. People plug into their interests and meet people.
How many of your friends are non FS or FK people?
The vast majority of them, and I agree that having friends who don’t agree with me on everything is important and valuable. I know I would be poorer if I didn’t have these great people in my life.
I also agree that being a good neighbor, and a contributing part of the community is essential.
I think that some of your criticisms have merit, and should be taken to heart, although I also think you shouldn’t overgeneralize, and think that all FKers, or certainly all FSers, are the same or even close to it.
I recently had a conversation with a FSer who basically made all of the points you just made — that being a good neighbor, friend, and part of the community first and foremost is the most important thing, and reform efforts can only come after. Reform is better accomplished as an evolutionary work from within, rather than a confrontative force from without — this is true even if CD techniques are used.
Like minded people — especially transplanted ones — naturally are going to flock together, and there’s nothing wrong with that. But, an intentional effort needs to be made to reach beyond this comfortable boundary, and I encourage folks to make that effort.
Heika,
Im asking every one this…How many of your friends are non liberty people?
It just seems like these guys tend to isolate people, and cirlcle the wagons..Does it feel that way to you? I know Ian sees family as “strangers you are born into” and this as his real family…Do you feel that way?
Well said Paul,
I dont confuse FK with FS. I used to.
I also dont see your sentiment as the rule on the FK board, rather the exeption.
I’ve read many threads on here..
there isnt a lot of room for moderates in this praticular realm of thought.
I have many friends that are non-liberty people, I would say more than half of my friends. I don’t feel that my liberty friends isolate people, I think that people tend to isolate us. Based on my experiences this summer and recent family troubles my views on family have drastically changed. Calling people that are not my blood ‘family’ is not a new concept to me, and I do in fact wholeheartedly agree with Ian.
Heika,
Im guessing Mom and Dad had a hard time with their daughter drinking topless in the town square and getting in the news paper..If you can stand aside from the grand injustice of the repressed culture you have been forced to live in all these years, how do you think it felt for your folks to pick up the phone as friends of the family started calling about the article to see what has happened to you..are your rights to drink topless and draw attention more important that the rights of your friends and family to not be completely saddened and worried about a loved one acting publicly irratic? Perhaps this wasn’t a victimless crime…Let me guess your getting a lot of “If they really loved you they stand behind whatever decisioin you make” Are your new friends going to be there for the next 20 years…Important questions. For some, the bridges they burn light their way…..My people tell me when im fucking it all up..and im glad i listen
Right not to be saddened?
???
It’s wise to weigh the impact on friends and family when choosing activism, and value their wants/needs, but there certainly is no “right not to be saddened”.
It’s possible to act within your rights, but unwisely. If you want to try to argue against certain activism choices, NR, I think you’d be better off questioning the wisdom of those choices, than asserting what are really rather frivolous “rights”.
Well said Paul,
Thanks
I dont confuse FK with FS. I used to.
Yes, the kind of activism that’s become popular in Keene is indeed quite different. I think some of the activism in Keene has been great, and some not so much.
I also dont see your sentiment as the rule on the FK board, rather the exeption.
I’m not sure about that, perhaps you’re right — it’s hard to gauge attitudes like that, without a poll or some such.
I’ve read many threads on here..
there isnt a lot of room for moderates in this praticular realm of thought.
There’s room for whoever wants to speak, and I do hope more moderates will speak up. We hear a lot from the gung-ho supporters, and quite a lot from the rabid haters. I would like to hear some more discussion from those in between.
Specifically, I’d like to hear more from generally pro smaller government/more freedom folks in the community, as to what kind of events they’d like to see, and perhaps even participate in. I think it’s important to draw the community in, and create events that can attract broad support.
I guess, what I was trying to say above, is that sometimes the opinions of the most vociferous are not exactly the opinions of the majority.
Here’s a poll, which gives some insight into relative levels of support for various types of activism: http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=3776.0
You can see people have varied opinions on different issues, and not everyone is a lock-step zombie, as you seem to fear.
This is like a 60′s flashback……Free Love and all the lot..
Didn’t get anywhere. Haight and Ashbury type of thing…. Well, Let the children play, eventually they will grow up. “It’s just a phase”.
Ian Bernard, I can just imagine what business you’re running. Sam Miller, for shame. You’re family’s not proud of your antics.
Using aliases, means there’s something to hide. Come on Kids, come in from the rain.
And this is about financial gain? Ian and Sam, How misleading! I can’t even pretend to be surprized to know that.
That was my original thought of what you feckers were up to. Pay for your own drugs and booze.
I don’t know,Bob-I disagree with a lot of what goes on,I think some of the CD protests are a bit out there, and have only met Ian once,never joined his cult. The only person here that I have had a personal conversation with is Paul, most would not believe he was a member here from his looks and manner,not a crazed potsmoker topless advocate,as supposedly perceived by the ‘public’ I do think there are more pressing threats to our freedom than the open bottle laws,and can’t wait to see how tonights drinking game works out.
Today I will be busy working on my machine guns,(Yes) and later going to a street rod show. So I for one have many friends outside this small piece of the world. However, your comments have gotten things fired up, so I thank you.
Speaking of firing,I think I will go rip off a belt or two! —bil
Wow. Whole lot of hate, nothing constructive to say. Bob and NR, I’d like to invite you out to Social Sundays @ McCues this Sunday at 5:00 so you can meet the wide spectrum of FSers and FKers in the area. I think you would be surprised. We all have much more to talk about besides just Liberty, and come from many different backgrounds. We really are just normal folk, whether you want to believe it or not.
And Dennis, changing your name doesn’t necessarily mean you have something to hide, though we ALL have our secrets (even you). It’s part of what makes us human. In mythology, a hero is often awarded a new name when he reaches a new level of conscienceness. Like when Abram became Abraham. By any other name, I’d still be the same.
Hope to see you there
Paul,
I understand that not being saddened isnt an actual right, mabey everyone should calmly set down the bill of rights and look at things through the lense of the actual human experience. Given the socially awkward nature of the audience here and the selfish nature of most Libertarians, I can see how the feelings of other people arent a primary concern when interacting within the community..What will become very real IF many more people move to keene and continue along these lines of activism is that the natives will mobilize to stop you and there will be less freedom for everyone..Us v them is a common theme here..The boogey man working as a clerk at the town hall is someones mother..Eli riveras kid and the Burke children are pretty popular at school..The youth outreach was already accomplished when you started fucking with peoples parents on the internet and with the Vigils.You think people want to jump on board behind the Giant pedo looking creep in a Cape? People’s feelings are a big component on how they make decisions..It isnt the saddness that will get you, its the anger. Do I think that people who smoke pot and drink everyday deserve to be put in a cage? No. They sort of already are…
Paul most of what i wrote doesnt really pertain to you, but you understand..
Everyone is selfish, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t giving. Many volunteer, others like me, give money to charity.
Sean gets mostly positive reactions to his cape, actually.
WHEN more people move to Keene that love liberty, the people who refuse to “get” it, will likely go away. It will be a lot easier for them.
Given the socially awkward nature of the audience here
That’s an unfair generalization.
and the selfish nature of most Libertarians,
That’s completely untrue. My friends who are libertarian are among the most generous people I know. The idea is to replace government “charity” (aka giant ineffective bureaucracies that suck cash) with real, voluntary charity — so while others rely on the government, I find that libertarians are far more likely to go and help, or donate, themselves.
I can see how the feelings of other people arent a primary concern when interacting within the community.
Only for a few individuals, NR. Many people, including me, absolutely care about the feelings of others. I would say the vast majority of FSers do – 90% plus if I could hazard a guess.
Regarding the rest of what you say, I think taking care to oppose behaviors, rather than individuals, is key. I don’t have a problem with vigils, per se. When a person behaves in a reckless manner, and harms others, those actions should be opposed. The fact that a person’s kids are popular does not mean they have a license to abuse others. But, again, the emphasis should not be on expressing anger or condemnation towards a person, but a desire for that person to reform their behavior.
I do think too much anger sometimes creeps into interactions with police and city employees. It’s understandable, when their actions are outrageous (shutting down a lemonade stand, etc.), but restraint needs to be shown. Think of the restraint required of MLK, or Gandhi’s supporters, when they underwent abuse far greater than anything seen in Keene.
Ian,
So once people who dont convert to your preposterous market worshiping cult to privatize everything see they cant possibly stand up to you and leave Keene the healing can begin?…Its good to get you out in the open and on the record.
Im sure the charity groups would notice if Ian and the Freetards stopped donating. GIve me a break…WHats sad is readers around the country cant be here to see how full of shit you are…”The epicenter” “New movers every day” really Ian? there would be like 700 of you idiots here by now…More like 10 and half of those were misguided and vulnerable natives…You are a pretty good hype man though I have to admit..Ian is a “proffesional Iconoclast” you weren’t lying about that…How much did you bring in this month Ian? the moneyometer in the upper right looks a little dry but Ill bet your doing ok. So how much money did Ghandi and Rossa parks haul in?…I wonder….There is something thats a little smelly about a proffesional activist…Make news, report on your own news, beg for money, repeat..I think I get it..
By the way The fact that you worded it “refuse to get it” is telling about your personality and future methodology…In ians world ian makes the rules and no one can stop him, not any more…Stupid parents….stupid schools..stupid government…ill show them..Ill move away, ill move far away and never talk to them again..theyll be sorry..hey theres where I put that coosh….
Luthor , this isn’t MYTHology.
This is real life, affecting the city you invaded with no dragons or evil demons, or swords or any other video games you lot play,
Since IAN and his cohort SAM, INSIST on seeing documentation, Could any of you lot show DOCUMENTATION, for your cordial invitations to come to the city and disrupt what was a city, not bothering you lot?
Back in the year 2000, what was Keene doing to you lot that convinced you to insist our state motto was the place to disrupt. Live Free or Die says it all…nothing about moving to NH and making fools of yourselves.
Mind you the videos are far better than Jerry Springer..
Hey , if you really want to have fun, head to Maine, State motto is “THE Way Life Should Be.”
Then ask anyone from there what they think of state sales tax they have, and why Maine’s called “Taxactionland”.
Do research before invading so you don’t look like the bafoons you’re becoming in Keene, and NH.
What new movers every day? New movers to Keene are probably every few weeks on average.
No, the charities probably wouldn’t notice, as there are only a few dozen people in the area, and most of them are young with little disposable income or time to donate. That will change, though, as they get more established and create more wealth, and as more well-established people start to move in as well as families, as we are beginning to see happen.
Yes, Name Required, people who use force on peaceful people will eventually lose. That’s because what they are doing is wrong, and right will win out in the end. You’ll see.
Oh, and it’s Koosh.
To: Name (required)
I think it is only fair that what you ask of the people participating in CD you ask of yourself. How many FS and FK people are you friends with? Have you made an effort to join their social events? Have you attended a Porcfest or Liberty Forum? Many of these people felt so concerned about the growth of government they uprooted their lives to move across the country.
Sure many of the local issues seem irrelevant to the culture, but what issues are important to you? The core philosophy brings everyone together. When I come to NH I hope to make friends in and out of the movement.
Ian, whatever you’re smoking, I’d love several drinks……Barkeep?!!!!!!
It’s freedom, Dennis.
It’s called allowing others to be free, so you can be free.
It’s believing people should be free to live their lives as they see fit, so long as they do no harm to others and honor their agreements.
You probably don’t really care, but if you do, I recommend “Healing Our World”. You can read it free at http://book.freekeene.com
Good point James.
From Ian: “It’s freedom, Dennis.”
It’s bollocks, Ian.
Like I suggested and apparently you missed, Go to Maine, and do your magic on their sales taxes.
You lot are not doing it for a real cause. As I saw on your dubious site, you’re doing it for FINANCIAL GAIN, which you proclaim to be against. Donate the money made and used by the Government to you?
Money was a government developed way to keep food and other goods in check with demand. (Google or wikipedia, supply and demand).
IF, and ONLY if you give up all your worldly goods bought by money, and all your money to someone else, will I believe you and Sam, (yes Sam, you too), will I be convinced you are TRULY 100% against, ALL things government.
Documentation will be needed, as YOU insist on documentation.
Otherwise stop using our tax dollars on childishness.
I’ve found a real face to face confrontation, to you, means come to your recruiting sessions….and so have many locals…..BACKFIRING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ian, you are totally full of shit. ‘Name (required)’ hit the nail on the head. A dozen or so idiots make fake claims, do completely wimpy ‘protests’, and then they whine about getting arrested. I think there will be a few more people at the meeting tonight, and they won’t be in your corner. People are tired and fed up with your ridiculous shenanigans. Are you going to have the balls to drink alcohol at the meeting, and possibly get arrested for the law you oppose? I doubt it, because you are a coward. Stand up for what you believe in asshole. Or else shut up and get the fuck out.Stop with the silly games. Sit at the lunch counter. Don’t give up your seat on the bus. Or, like you do with all your other stupid protests, just pretend to break the law, then bitch and moan about it. So, have you grown any balls yet?
Bob, I think we lost Ian a long time ago. Suddenly he’s not got all the answers.Oh yes, setting up the comedy videos for youtube.
Shave off the goatee thing he has, and I’d do him!!!!!!!
Dennis, money isn’t a government invention — there’s been money since practically the dawn of human time. People need a way to facilitate trade between each other. Now, the federal reserve notes we have now are a government invention, and indeed, many folks try to do as much trading as possible in silver, or other barter — it’s far less prone to inflation, or other distortions caused by the Fed and congress.
Bob, what you continue to fail to recognize is that the arbitrary enforcement of diktats by Mr. Pregent is an evil at least as great, and probably far greater than the open container laws themselves. Not that I necessarily endorse this protest, but at this point, that’s what it’s about — Mr. Pregent making rules up on the spot — not the open container law.
Bob, unfortunately I am confined to my home due to the fact that I have been arrested three times this year.
I have already expressed this to you. Perhaps you have reading comprehension issues? I can see how it might be difficult to concentrate when you are seething with such anger.
Stand up, wimp. What, are you locked in a fortress? Defy the man. Get out there and lead the masses of your group to overtake the evil forces. Strike the rally cry. FREEDOM! Don’t let the man turn you into a sheep. Or a newt. In fact, why don’t you get out and fight against all the important tyrannies of our day. Defy the rulers by going topless, drinking beer and smoking pot at the city council meeting. Besides, they aren’t your rulers. You are a member of the Shire Society. Why should you do what THEY say. Stand up for your beliefs man. Or, just sit home and play video games.
The naysayers are spending a lot of time on this site. After a long day of shutting down kids’ lemonade stands and shooting grannies with tazers, I’m surprised they have any time left for these intellectual pursuits.
I’ve already admitted I’ve reached my upper limit of courage. Yes, I am a coward, but at least I’m brave enough to stand up publicly for what I believe.
Who are you again, “bob”? Oh yeah, just another anonymous critic.
Ian? is that you? Quote from Ian: Bob, unfortunately I am confined to my home due to the fact that I have been arrested three times this year.
Wasn’t that wording I saw on the Ian Springer show, “KIdnapped” at home was it? Are you being held with 40 armed Pinkertons, or just sitting on your duff?
Show you don’t like this “kidnapping, leave, yeah, leave, and show up for your next Ian Springer show.
Be a man of principles…..or just cave into what you don’t dare confront!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sounds like your’e losing steam, Mate.
You’re peaceful, by claim…peacefully walk out the door. Or are you chicken?
Pwuck, pwuck pwuckock.
It was amusing on your last Ian Springer show, that there were 6, (as could be seen),people and as you were being “kidnapped”, 4 left…. I’m assuming that lot went off for sandwiches, at your “business”.
Poor bumpkins. well those things happen……
This is encouraging as hell!
“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, {then some other stuff happens}, and then you win”
We’re well on the road!
Because walking out the door would likely land him in jail, Bob, which is probably why you’re encouraging him to do it.
Again MLK didn’t call Pritchett for advice. I think NR does sometimes make valuable points and suggestions. You’re just heckling.
“Dennis” and “bob”, when you’re dead and passed on is this how you want to be remembered? If you believe in an afterlife, is this how you want to prepare for it? By vitriolic hatred and trying to instigate violence upon peaceful neighbors?
Dennis, I hope you are feeling empowered – please gloat away.
Yes, I’ve pushed things about as far as I’m currently willing to, so that makes me a coward. At least I can admit my failings and put together coherent sentences.
Not entirely true, Paul. I can leave the house, but must be on my property from 6p-6a.
Oh, that’s good — at least you can sit outside. Thanks for the clarification.
Let’s all think of new last names for Ian, since he is no longer “Freeman”. Loserman, Cowardman, Dumbassman, Wimpman. No wait, that’s an oxymoron. It would just have to be Wimp. Maybe Nameerf, since he has all the free man stuff all bassackwards. Poor Ian. Locked in the tall tower, or the dungeon, with nothing but his Nintendo and WII. Fight on, blessed one. Regain your courage. Drink from the magic chalice. Turn in some Pokemon cards. Use your invisibility cloak. Break those ties that bind you.
Bravely bold Sir Robin rode forth from Camelot. He was not afraid to die, oh brave Sir Robin. He was not at all afraid to be killed in nasty ways, brave, brave, brave, brave Sir Robin. He was not in the least bit scared to be mashed into a pulp, or to have his eyes gouged out, and his elbows broken. To have his kneecaps split, and his body burned away, and his limbs all hacked and mangled, brave Sir Robin. His head smashed in and heart cut out, and his liver removed, and his bowels unplugged, and his nostrils raped and his bottom burned off and his penis…
Brave Sir Robin. That should be your new name. It fits.
Ok let’s clear this up. Ian is afraid to go to the “meeting” he planned, because he will be “kidnapped” again.
You see, cowards don’t stand up for what they believe, as for possible/ probable repercussions.
They do, however, enlist others to do their dirty work.
They don’t give an aeronautical intercourse what the minions pay for the price.
Ian, grab your gonads and show Keene you won’t take this “tyranny”.
Get your sad ass off the couch, be defiant!!!!
This is the point of your “movement”, or is it not?
Could be just for financial gain, I suppose…………
bob, it sounds like you secretly have a crush on Ian, and you’re doing the grade-school thing where you torment them to get their attention because you’re too shy to come out and say “I love you!”
Young love- a beautiful and puzzling thing
Brave Sir Robin ran away..
When danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about, and valiantly, he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet, he beat a very brave retreat. A brave retreat by brave Sir Robin.
Brave, brave, brave, Brave Sir Robin.
If Ian would shave off the goatee, I’d do him. I wouldn’t join his lot, but, I’d do him.
He’d have to wear white socks, too. I’m picky…
*yawn*
Getting repetitive, guys.
Dennis – the point is to advance freedom. That doesn’t mean one man has to take all the risk. I’ve taken plenty and will continue to do so, but not on YOUR schedule.
Commence name-calling.
And a minstrel outfit. No, wait, he’s a knight.
Why? You know what you are. But it is kinda fun to hold a mirror up to your face. Loser. One man. Ian Freeman. How much is one man supposed to take? Did you lose both your balls in the accident? At least your genes have been taken out of the pool. But then again, you probably don’t want to touch a girl any way. They have cooties.
well James,
I have 3 or 4 friends in FSP or affiliated, . I have many non project members who are card carrying Libertarians as I have explained before..I have sat through many good natured long conversations about why I dont agree with them…The burden of outreach however is not on me, as I already live here. If I were to chose to move to another city and arrogantly decide to try and change the way people were happily living their lives I would probably go out of my way to become part of their world, not hide out in my dungeons and dragons lair with the rest of the nerdery plotting my next idiotic shceme and wondering why the locals think I am a spoiled little cock stain.
Ian,
Dont ask others to do what you arent prepared to do yourself. The strangers you were born into should have taught you that… You make money from all of this, it is important for everyone reading this to understand this before they follow the siren song of freedom blaring from the internet..Ian profits from the idea of Liberty…When the drinking game draws readers to FK from other press outlets he gets paid….
Freedom isnt free its a pyramid scheme
Ian, are ya nekkd? can I hold your checkbook/wallet?
Well said, Name (required).
I think we won on this one, (regular people won), as Ian stopped posting.
Oh, Brave Sir Robin.
bob and dennis,
Ad hominem you lose.
Please try harder next time.
You may impress 8 year olds with your childish name-calling.
I’m persuaded by argument (which your posts have a dearth of).
I have not seen such a wonderful ass beating as displayed here in a long time. Ian and his bitch babies had their chubby little behinds spanked, then chopped up and saucily dished back to them. I rather hope this continues.
And Ian, If i offend your intellect…assuming there is any, Have Sammy take over. Haven’t heard a word from the old boy….
The reason name calling is needed, is because Children need to be spoken to like that.
“I’m not touching you, I’m not touching you”.
Do children need to be called “assholes and shitheads”? Just Curious.
20+ year old children do. But only when they are assholes and shitheads.
Seems odd that you’re calling them childish. When you’re hanging out on an internet forum all day calling people names. Very classy bob.
Seems odd that you’re calling them childish. When you’re hanging out on an internet forum all day calling people names.
Yep…. Pot, kettle, black.
The fact that the violent statists are here launching such a juvenile name calling attack on us only makes me smile to realize that we are making a difference.
I think it is juvenile to use violence on someone because you don’t want them to have an “open container.” I think the adult/civilized manner of addressing this type of issue/thing is to find an alternative solution. A solution that doesn’t mimic the behavior of a violent kid on a playground.
So sad to see these people cheering on their own enslavement.
Right on, Bradley.
For years, we labored on without any of the statists taking us seriously. Frankly, I fear that bob and NR and Dennis are just different names made up by some lonely person who hasn’t figured out the message of liberty.
I hope that they are, in fact, different people who are taking the time to read the posts on this board and other forums that are devoted to the message of non-violent action against the state. That message is so persuasive that these people will either change their thinking (as I did) or go away and look for a venue that is more responsive towards their sophomoric posts.
Sorry to see you resort to racist remarks,Bradley. Oh,wait,now I get it…….
–bil
Bob was at the meeting tonight. He stood outside and spouted the same bs he has been posting on this board. You’re one creepy little dude Bob!
I was wondering if that was him. Looking forward to the video.
Sam should have some video of “Bob”. Not sure if he was the moron that kept trying to hold up the cup with the message on it and block Sam from filming. I arrived right after that happened. Wanna fess up “Bob”? I know what you look like.
Yep, I just finished watching Puke’s interview with this guy in the background. It’s very funny.
Sorry, assholes, I wasn’t able to make it to your little party. I had previous engagements. But it looks like someone got a little violent. Sammy, did you get your nose all out of joint? Looks like someone can’t take it when someone else decides to exercise a little free speech. Who was being more aggressive? To me, it looked like you went over to him and got in his face. What a bunch of pathetic losers.
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