How many more cops need to die to end the war on drugs?

Five cops shot, one killed on a drug raid on the Seacoast. If drugs were legal or decriminalized, these cops would have never been harmed in this way.

End the insane war on drugs and save the lives of cops so they can investigate real crimes that have victims, instead of people trying to get high.

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  1. wow Ian, you’ve taken this to an all new low. Did you ever think that because he was high, he thought it was ok to shoot the cops and take someone hostage? god damnit kid, you are so god damned retarded sometimes (understatement)
    I mean this is a perfect example of how absolutely disgustingly biased you are. noticed how you slapped the hand of the government, and not of the violent individual. You make me sick Ian, you really do.

  2. wow Ian, you’ve taken this to an all new low. Did you ever think that because he was high, he thought it was ok to shoot the cops and take someone hostage? god damnit kid, you are so god damned retarded sometimes (understatement)
    I mean this is a perfect example of how absolutely disgustingly biased you are. noticed how you slapped the hand of the government, and not of the violent individual. You make me sick Ian, you really do.

  3. I think most folks here agree that “any” life lost is too costly a price no matter if it is a LEO or a citizen.

    Legalizing drugs is a solution that could greatly reduce the financial burden of the drug war which waste needlessly lives and money.

    But seems the 2 main old parties (Rep & Dems) has no political will to discuss the matter preferring to campaign and spend on their billion dollar election show while the mainstream media sleeps in the same bed with them.

  4. I think most folks here agree that “any” life lost is too costly a price no matter if it is a LEO or a citizen.

    Legalizing drugs is a solution that could greatly reduce the financial burden of the drug war which waste needlessly lives and money.

    But seems the 2 main old parties (Rep & Dems) has no political will to discuss the matter preferring to campaign and spend on their billion dollar election show while the mainstream media sleeps in the same bed with them.

  5. It’s violence when men with guns come into your home.  I am not saying violence is okay in return.  I’m just saying it happens.  Had they not entered that man’s home in the first place looking for drugs, they’d not have ended up dead or shot.

    If you don’t believe me, go talk to the former cops at Law Enforcement Against Prohibition: http://leap.cc

  6. It’s violence when men with guns come into your home.  I am not saying violence is okay in return.  I’m just saying it happens.  Had they not entered that man’s home in the first place looking for drugs, they’d not have ended up dead or shot.

    If you don’t believe me, go talk to the former cops at Law Enforcement Against Prohibition: http://leap.cc

  7. Do you ever stop to think that maybe if we didn’t have these asinine drug laws none of this would have happened in the first place?

  8. Do you ever stop to think that maybe if we didn’t have these asinine drug laws none of this would have happened in the first place?

  9. Ian, why are you are so concerned with the well-being of the police, when it’s the police you lot of jokers harass? FLIP-FLOP, FLIP-FLOP, FLOP-FLOP.It was a “stoner” that shot and KILLED a police chief. Yeah, a fecking stoner.
     This, you arse, is why we don’t need to legalise your stoner shite..
     Ridley’s going to love this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  10. No, Ian, the solution is more military equipment. Tanks, helicopters, and hellfire missiles would have taken out that house, and everyone in it, without exposing the police to any danger.

  11. No, Ian, the solution is more military equipment. Tanks, helicopters, and hellfire missiles would have taken out that house, and everyone in it, without exposing the police to any danger.

  12. Jessi, sarcasm aside, there’s no reason to shoot people and take them hostage if no one is coming after you. Drugs do not cause violent behavior. People do.

  13. Jessi, sarcasm aside, there’s no reason to shoot people and take them hostage if no one is coming after you. Drugs do not cause violent behavior. People do.

  14. It’s not flip-flopping. It a stand against violence. It appears to be flip-flopping when one chooses loyalty to one side, rather than a principled stand against violence.

  15. It’s not flip-flopping. It a stand against violence. It appears to be flip-flopping when one chooses loyalty to one side, rather than a principled stand against violence.

  16. As someone with personal experience dealing with a close friend who became violent after using–an no, not because the police came in and raided her house–I really strongly disagree with this statement…and I almost take offense at its naivety.

  17. As someone with personal experience dealing with a close friend who became violent after using–an no, not because the police came in and raided her house–I really strongly disagree with this statement…and I almost take offense at its naivety.

  18. Jessi,

    I must respectfully disagree with you and agree with Ian.

    As a former law enforcement officer who has worked with the Drug Task Force on more than one occasion, I can assure you that the danger created by these raids is completely unnecessary.

    Violence isn’t the solution to addressing the complex drug addiction/abuse problem that society has.

  19. Jessi,

    I must respectfully disagree with you and agree with Ian.

    As a former law enforcement officer who has worked with the Drug Task Force on more than one occasion, I can assure you that the danger created by these raids is completely unnecessary.

    Violence isn’t the solution to addressing the complex drug addiction/abuse problem that society has.

  20. do use think that  those people fighting back will bring  the “drug war” to a end faster than if they just   submitted to the coppers?

  21. do use think that  those people fighting back will bring  the “drug war” to a end faster than if they just   submitted to the coppers?

  22.  I say yes.

  23.  I say yes.

  24. So what you’re saying is that ALL drugs should be legal, correct? Even crack and cocaine? Do you know what drugs were in the house? Ian, you are freakin’ ignorant and disrespectful.

  25. So what you’re saying is that ALL drugs should be legal, correct? Even crack and cocaine? Do you know what drugs were in the house? Ian, you are freakin’ ignorant and disrespectful.

  26. From what I understand, yes Ian believes all drugs should be legalized because he does not believe they have significant negative effects on anyone besides the users.

  27. From what I understand, yes Ian believes all drugs should be legalized because he does not believe they have significant negative effects on anyone besides the users.

  28.  According to the news reports, so far, only anabolic steroids have been mentioned.

  29.  According to the news reports, so far, only anabolic steroids have been mentioned.

  30. I expect that the “because” has more to do with principle, than practical effectiveness.

    Of course, reducing and eliminating drug prohibitions /does/ have practical effectiveness, every time it’s been tried.  America’s famous experiment with drug prohibition in the early 20th century led to a massive increase in violent crime (the “roaring ’20s”).  Removing that prohibition on alcohol led to a massive decrease in violent crime.

    Portugal’s famous, current experiment with massively reducing their prohibition on some other drugs, has led to major social benefits.  It’s been a nearly-unqualified success, and further reductions might yield even stronger results.

  31. I expect that the “because” has more to do with principle, than practical effectiveness.

    Of course, reducing and eliminating drug prohibitions /does/ have practical effectiveness, every time it’s been tried.  America’s famous experiment with drug prohibition in the early 20th century led to a massive increase in violent crime (the “roaring ’20s”).  Removing that prohibition on alcohol led to a massive decrease in violent crime.

    Portugal’s famous, current experiment with massively reducing their prohibition on some other drugs, has led to major social benefits.  It’s been a nearly-unqualified success, and further reductions might yield even stronger results.

  32. Some simple facts:

    * Colombia, Peru, Mexico or Afghanistan with their coca leaves, marijuana buds or poppy sap are not igniting temptation in the minds of our weak, innocent citizens. These countries are duly responding to the enormous demand that comes from within our own borders. Invading or destroying these countries, thus creating more hate, violence, instability, injustice and corruption, will not fix our problem.

    * A rather large majority of people will always feel the need to use drugs such as heroin, opium, nicotine, amphetamines, alcohol, sugar, or caffeine.

    * The massive majority of adults who use drugs do so recreationally – getting high at the weekend then up for work on a Monday morning. 

    * Apart from the huge percentage of people addicted to both sugar and caffeine, a small minority of adults (nearly 5%) will always experience the use of drugs as problematic. – approx. 3% are dependent on alcohol and approx. 1.5% are dependent on other drugs such as methamphetamine, cocaine, heroine etc. 

    * Just as it was impossible to prevent alcohol from being produced and used in the U.S. in the 1920s, so too, it is equally impossible to prevent any of the aforementioned drugs from being produced, distributed and widely used by those who desire to do so. 

    * Prohibition kills more people and ruins more lives than the drugs it prohibits.

    * Due to Prohibition (historically proven to be an utter failure at every level), the availability of most of these mood-altering drugs has become so universal and unfettered that in any city of the civilized world, any one of us would be able to procure practically any drug we wish within an hour.

    * Throughout history, the prohibition of any mind-altering substance has always exploded usage rates, overcrowded jails, fueled organized crime, created rampant corruption of law-enforcement – even whole governments, while inducing an incalculable amount of suffering and death. 

    * Apart from the fact that the DEA is the de facto enforcement wing of the pharmaceutical industry, the involvement of the CIA in running Heroin from Vietnam, Southeast Asia and Afghanistan, and Cocaine from Central America has been well documented by the 1989 Kerry Committee report, academic researchers Alfred McCoy and Peter Dale Scott, and the late journalist Gary Webb.

    * It’s not even possible to keep drugs out of prisons, but prohibitionists wish to waste trillions of dollars in an utterly futile attempt to keep them off our streets.

    * The United States jails a larger percentage of it’s own citizens than any other country in the world, including those run by the worst totalitarian regimes, yet it has far higher use/addiction rates than most other countries.

  33. Some simple facts:

    * Colombia, Peru, Mexico or Afghanistan with their coca leaves, marijuana buds or poppy sap are not igniting temptation in the minds of our weak, innocent citizens. These countries are duly responding to the enormous demand that comes from within our own borders. Invading or destroying these countries, thus creating more hate, violence, instability, injustice and corruption, will not fix our problem.

    * A rather large majority of people will always feel the need to use drugs such as heroin, opium, nicotine, amphetamines, alcohol, sugar, or caffeine.

    * The massive majority of adults who use drugs do so recreationally – getting high at the weekend then up for work on a Monday morning. 

    * Apart from the huge percentage of people addicted to both sugar and caffeine, a small minority of adults (nearly 5%) will always experience the use of drugs as problematic. – approx. 3% are dependent on alcohol and approx. 1.5% are dependent on other drugs such as methamphetamine, cocaine, heroine etc. 

    * Just as it was impossible to prevent alcohol from being produced and used in the U.S. in the 1920s, so too, it is equally impossible to prevent any of the aforementioned drugs from being produced, distributed and widely used by those who desire to do so. 

    * Prohibition kills more people and ruins more lives than the drugs it prohibits.

    * Due to Prohibition (historically proven to be an utter failure at every level), the availability of most of these mood-altering drugs has become so universal and unfettered that in any city of the civilized world, any one of us would be able to procure practically any drug we wish within an hour.

    * Throughout history, the prohibition of any mind-altering substance has always exploded usage rates, overcrowded jails, fueled organized crime, created rampant corruption of law-enforcement – even whole governments, while inducing an incalculable amount of suffering and death. 

    * Apart from the fact that the DEA is the de facto enforcement wing of the pharmaceutical industry, the involvement of the CIA in running Heroin from Vietnam, Southeast Asia and Afghanistan, and Cocaine from Central America has been well documented by the 1989 Kerry Committee report, academic researchers Alfred McCoy and Peter Dale Scott, and the late journalist Gary Webb.

    * It’s not even possible to keep drugs out of prisons, but prohibitionists wish to waste trillions of dollars in an utterly futile attempt to keep them off our streets.

    * The United States jails a larger percentage of it’s own citizens than any other country in the world, including those run by the worst totalitarian regimes, yet it has far higher use/addiction rates than most other countries.

  34. Prohibition is the “Goose that laid the golden egg” and the lifeblood of terrorists as well as drug cartels. Both the Taliban and the terrorists of al Qaeda derive their main income from the prohibition-inflated value of the opium poppy. An estimated 44 % of the heroin produced in Afghanistan, with an estimated annual destination value of US $ 27 Billion, transits through Pakistan. Prohibition has essentially destroyed Pakistan’s legal economy and social fabric. We may be about to witness the planet’s first civil war in a nation with nuclear capabilities. – Kindly Google ‘A GLOBAL OVERVIEW OF NARCOTICS-FUNDED TERRORIST GROUPS’ Only those opposed or willing to ignore these facts want things the way they are.

    * The future depends on whether or not enough of us are willing to take a long look at the tragic results of prohibition. If we continue to skirt the primary issue while refusing to address the root problem then we can expect no other result than a worsening of the current dire situation. – Good intentions, wishful thinking and pseudoscience are no match for the immutable realities of human nature.

    * Many important advancements in human society (even the reasonable requirement that gynecologists wash their hands before examining a patient) have been vehemently resisted by unconscionable, selfish individuals who were willing to use outright mendacity, specious logic and fear mongering to sacrifice the well-being of the rest of us.

    Never have so many been endangered and impoverished by so few so quickly!

    * The urge to save humanity is almost always a false-face for the urge to rule it. – H. L. Mencken (1880-1956) American editor, essayist and philologist.

    * 2010 Reported Corporate Revenues:

        Johnson & Johnson = $61.90 billion

        Pfizer= $50.01 billion

        GlaxoSmithKline = $45.83 billion

        Novartis = $44.27

        Sanofi-Aventis = $41.99 billion

        AstraZeneca = $32.81 billion

        Merck & Co. = $27.43 billion

        Eli Lilly = $21.84 billion

        Anheuser-Busch InBev (2007) = $16.70 billion

        MillerCoors = $3.03 billion

        Pabst = $0.50 billion

    * As with torture, prohibition is a grievous crime against humanity. If you support it, or even simply tolerate it by looking the other way while others commit it, you are an accessory to a very serious moral transgression against humanity.

    * The United States re-legalized certain drug use in 1933. The drug was alcohol, and the 21st amendment re-legalized its production, distribution and sale. Both alcohol consumption and violent crime dropped immediately as a result, and very soon after, the American economy climbed out of that same prohibition engendered abyss into which it had foolishly fallen.  

    “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing, after they’ve tried everything else.” 

    – Winston Churchill

  35. Prohibition is the “Goose that laid the golden egg” and the lifeblood of terrorists as well as drug cartels. Both the Taliban and the terrorists of al Qaeda derive their main income from the prohibition-inflated value of the opium poppy. An estimated 44 % of the heroin produced in Afghanistan, with an estimated annual destination value of US $ 27 Billion, transits through Pakistan. Prohibition has essentially destroyed Pakistan’s legal economy and social fabric. We may be about to witness the planet’s first civil war in a nation with nuclear capabilities. – Kindly Google ‘A GLOBAL OVERVIEW OF NARCOTICS-FUNDED TERRORIST GROUPS’ Only those opposed or willing to ignore these facts want things the way they are.

    * The future depends on whether or not enough of us are willing to take a long look at the tragic results of prohibition. If we continue to skirt the primary issue while refusing to address the root problem then we can expect no other result than a worsening of the current dire situation. – Good intentions, wishful thinking and pseudoscience are no match for the immutable realities of human nature.

    * Many important advancements in human society (even the reasonable requirement that gynecologists wash their hands before examining a patient) have been vehemently resisted by unconscionable, selfish individuals who were willing to use outright mendacity, specious logic and fear mongering to sacrifice the well-being of the rest of us.

    Never have so many been endangered and impoverished by so few so quickly!

    * The urge to save humanity is almost always a false-face for the urge to rule it. – H. L. Mencken (1880-1956) American editor, essayist and philologist.

    * 2010 Reported Corporate Revenues:

        Johnson & Johnson = $61.90 billion

        Pfizer= $50.01 billion

        GlaxoSmithKline = $45.83 billion

        Novartis = $44.27

        Sanofi-Aventis = $41.99 billion

        AstraZeneca = $32.81 billion

        Merck & Co. = $27.43 billion

        Eli Lilly = $21.84 billion

        Anheuser-Busch InBev (2007) = $16.70 billion

        MillerCoors = $3.03 billion

        Pabst = $0.50 billion

    * As with torture, prohibition is a grievous crime against humanity. If you support it, or even simply tolerate it by looking the other way while others commit it, you are an accessory to a very serious moral transgression against humanity.

    * The United States re-legalized certain drug use in 1933. The drug was alcohol, and the 21st amendment re-legalized its production, distribution and sale. Both alcohol consumption and violent crime dropped immediately as a result, and very soon after, the American economy climbed out of that same prohibition engendered abyss into which it had foolishly fallen.  

    “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing, after they’ve tried everything else.” 

    – Winston Churchill

  36. Alcohol is a factor in the following:

    * 73% of all felonies * 73% of child beating cases * 41% of rape cases * 80% of wife battering cases * 72% of stabbings * 83% of homicides.

    According to the Australian National Drug Research Institute (2003): “Tobacco, alcohol and illicit drugs are prematurely killing around seven million people worldwide each year, and robbing tens of millions more of a healthy life. The research into the global burden of disease attributable to alcohol, tobacco and illicit drugs found that in 2000, tobacco use was responsible for 4.9 million deaths worldwide, equating to 71 percent of all drug-related deaths. Around 1.8 million deaths were attributable to the use of alcohol (26 percent of all drug-related deaths), and illicit drugs (heroin, cocaine and amphetamines) caused approximately 223,000 deaths (3 percent of all drug-related deaths).”

    According to DrugRehabs.Org, national mortality figures for 2009 were:  tobacco  435,000;  poor diet and physical inactivity  365,000;  alcohol  85,000; microbial agents  75,000;  toxic agents  55,000; motor vehicle crashes  26,347; adverse reactions to prescription drugs 32,000;  suicide  30,622;  incidents involving firearms  29,000;  homicide  20,308;  sexual behaviors  20,000;  all illicit drug use, direct and indirect  17,000; and marijuana 0.

    Researchers led by Professor David Nutt, a former chief drugs adviser to the British government, asked drug-harm experts to rank 20 drugs (legal and illegal) on 16 measures of harm to the user and to wider society, such as damage to health, drug dependency, economic costs and crime. Alcohol scored 72 out of a possible 100, far more damaging than heroin (55) or crack cocaine (54). It is the most harmful to others by a wide margin, and is ranked fourth behind heroin, crack, and methamphetamine (crystal meth) for harm to the individual. 

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/drugs_cause_most_harm

    The American Journal of Preventive Medicine found that in the U.S. alone, an estimated 79,000 lives are lost annually due to “excessive” drinking. The study estimates that the overall cost of excessive drinking by Americans is $223.5 billion each year.

    http://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(11)00538-1/abstract

    Health-related costs per user are eight times higher for those who drink alcohol when compared to those who use marijuana, and are more than 40 times higher for tobacco smokers, according to a 2009 review published in the British Columbia Mental Health and Addictions Journal.

    It states, “In terms of [health-related] costs per user: tobacco-related health costs are over $800 per user, alcohol-related health costs are much lower at $165 per user, and cannabis-related health costs are the lowest at $20 per user.”

    http://www.heretohelp.bc.ca/publications/cannabis/bck/7

    Having three or more alcoholic drinks a day increased lung cancer risk by 30 percent.

    “Heavy drinking has multiple harmful effects, including cardiovascular complications and increased risk for lung cancer,” 

    – lead researcher Stanton Siu, MD, of Kaiser Permanente

    http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/alcohol/heavy-alcohol-consumption-linked-with-greater-lung-cancer-risk

    Apart from the fact that legal drugs kill far more people than all the illegal drugs combined, debating whether a particular drug is harmless or not is missing the whole point. Are drugs like Heroin, Meth or Alcohol dangerous? It simply doesn’t matter, because if we prohibit them then we sure as hell know that it makes a bad situation far worse. If someone wants to attempt to enhance or destroy their lives with particular medicines or poisons, that should be their business, not anybody else’s. Their lives aren’t ours to direct. And anyway, who wants to give criminals, terrorists and corrupt law enforcement agents a huge un-taxed, endless revenue stream?

    A great many of us are slowly but surely wising up to the fact that the best avenue towards realistically dealing with drug use and addiction is through proper regulation which is what we already do with alcohol & tobacco, clearly two of our most dangerous mood altering substances. But for those of you whose ignorant and irrational minds traverse a fantasy plane of existence, you will no doubt remain sorely upset with any type of solution that does not seem to lead to your absurd and unattainable utopia of a drug free society. 

  37. Alcohol is a factor in the following:

    * 73% of all felonies * 73% of child beating cases * 41% of rape cases * 80% of wife battering cases * 72% of stabbings * 83% of homicides.

    According to the Australian National Drug Research Institute (2003): “Tobacco, alcohol and illicit drugs are prematurely killing around seven million people worldwide each year, and robbing tens of millions more of a healthy life. The research into the global burden of disease attributable to alcohol, tobacco and illicit drugs found that in 2000, tobacco use was responsible for 4.9 million deaths worldwide, equating to 71 percent of all drug-related deaths. Around 1.8 million deaths were attributable to the use of alcohol (26 percent of all drug-related deaths), and illicit drugs (heroin, cocaine and amphetamines) caused approximately 223,000 deaths (3 percent of all drug-related deaths).”

    According to DrugRehabs.Org, national mortality figures for 2009 were:  tobacco  435,000;  poor diet and physical inactivity  365,000;  alcohol  85,000; microbial agents  75,000;  toxic agents  55,000; motor vehicle crashes  26,347; adverse reactions to prescription drugs 32,000;  suicide  30,622;  incidents involving firearms  29,000;  homicide  20,308;  sexual behaviors  20,000;  all illicit drug use, direct and indirect  17,000; and marijuana 0.

    Researchers led by Professor David Nutt, a former chief drugs adviser to the British government, asked drug-harm experts to rank 20 drugs (legal and illegal) on 16 measures of harm to the user and to wider society, such as damage to health, drug dependency, economic costs and crime. Alcohol scored 72 out of a possible 100, far more damaging than heroin (55) or crack cocaine (54). It is the most harmful to others by a wide margin, and is ranked fourth behind heroin, crack, and methamphetamine (crystal meth) for harm to the individual. 

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/drugs_cause_most_harm

    The American Journal of Preventive Medicine found that in the U.S. alone, an estimated 79,000 lives are lost annually due to “excessive” drinking. The study estimates that the overall cost of excessive drinking by Americans is $223.5 billion each year.

    http://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(11)00538-1/abstract

    Health-related costs per user are eight times higher for those who drink alcohol when compared to those who use marijuana, and are more than 40 times higher for tobacco smokers, according to a 2009 review published in the British Columbia Mental Health and Addictions Journal.

    It states, “In terms of [health-related] costs per user: tobacco-related health costs are over $800 per user, alcohol-related health costs are much lower at $165 per user, and cannabis-related health costs are the lowest at $20 per user.”

    http://www.heretohelp.bc.ca/publications/cannabis/bck/7

    Having three or more alcoholic drinks a day increased lung cancer risk by 30 percent.

    “Heavy drinking has multiple harmful effects, including cardiovascular complications and increased risk for lung cancer,” 

    – lead researcher Stanton Siu, MD, of Kaiser Permanente

    http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/alcohol/heavy-alcohol-consumption-linked-with-greater-lung-cancer-risk

    Apart from the fact that legal drugs kill far more people than all the illegal drugs combined, debating whether a particular drug is harmless or not is missing the whole point. Are drugs like Heroin, Meth or Alcohol dangerous? It simply doesn’t matter, because if we prohibit them then we sure as hell know that it makes a bad situation far worse. If someone wants to attempt to enhance or destroy their lives with particular medicines or poisons, that should be their business, not anybody else’s. Their lives aren’t ours to direct. And anyway, who wants to give criminals, terrorists and corrupt law enforcement agents a huge un-taxed, endless revenue stream?

    A great many of us are slowly but surely wising up to the fact that the best avenue towards realistically dealing with drug use and addiction is through proper regulation which is what we already do with alcohol & tobacco, clearly two of our most dangerous mood altering substances. But for those of you whose ignorant and irrational minds traverse a fantasy plane of existence, you will no doubt remain sorely upset with any type of solution that does not seem to lead to your absurd and unattainable utopia of a drug free society. 

  38. Yet another law enforcement officer dies in order that unconscionable transnational corporations, and their media enablers, can continue to abuse, addict and poison us for obscene profits.

    According to the CATO Institute, ending prohibition would save roughly $41 billion of expenditure while generating an estimated $46 billion in tax revenues. – http://www.cato.org/pubs/wtpapers/DrugProhibitionWP.pdf

    Thanks to prohibition we now have far more people locked in cages than would normally be the case. Apart from the fact that these extra prisoners are not contributing economically to society, it also costs $50,000 per annum to incarcerate them. Additionally their families often go on government assistance, and it’s again the average tax payer who has to pick up the bill. Their kids may be taken into care or raised by foster parents, again with tax payer money. Now add to all this the court costs, jail costs, and the salaries of all those people that have to deal with the enforcement of prohibition, like police officers, judges and public defenders and you’ll start to get a fair idea of why “Black Thursday,” Oct. 24, 1929 happened during the period of another of our great experiments – alcohol prohibition.

    * The United States has the highest incarceration rate in the world.

    * 743 adults incarcerated per 100,000 population at year-end 2009.

    * 2,292,133 adults were incarcerated federal and state prisons, and county jails at year-end 2009, that’s approx. 1 percent of US adults.

    * Additionally, 4,933,667 adults at year-end 2009 were on probation or parole.

    * In total, 7,225,800 adults were under correctional supervision (probation, parole, or incarcerated) in 2009 — about 3.1 percent of adults in the U.S. resident population.

    Prohibition has helped fill our prisons and jails to capacity. Violent criminals, murderers, rapists and child molesters are released early to create space for so called ‘drug offenders’. Half of court trial time and also a huge chunk of police officers time is pointlessly wasted. Enormous untaxed profits from illegal drugs fund multi-national criminal empires which bribe law enforcement authorities and spread corruption faster than a raging bush fire. Prohibition takes violent criminals and turns them into multi-billionaires whilst corrupting even entire countries, including our own. Our drug laws are also funding the Taliban and al-Qaeda whose illegal opium profits allow them to buy weapons and pay its fighters more than $300 a month, compared with the $14 paid to an Afghan police officer.

    Maybe many of the early Prohibitionists did not really intend to kill hundreds of thousands worldwide, or put once in every 30 American adults under supervision of the correctional system. But similar to our “Great Experiment” of the 1920s, the prohibition of various other drugs has once again spawned rampant off-the-scale criminality & corruption, a bust economy, mass unemployment, a mind-boggling incarceration rate, a civil war in Mexico, an un-winnable war in Afghanistan and an even higher rate of drug-use (both legal & illegal) than in all other countries that have far more sensible policies.

    Prohibition is nothing less than a grotesque dystopian nightmare; if you support it you must be ignorant, stupid, brainwashed, insane or corrupt.

  39. Yet another law enforcement officer dies in order that unconscionable transnational corporations, and their media enablers, can continue to abuse, addict and poison us for obscene profits.

    According to the CATO Institute, ending prohibition would save roughly $41 billion of expenditure while generating an estimated $46 billion in tax revenues. – http://www.cato.org/pubs/wtpapers/DrugProhibitionWP.pdf

    Thanks to prohibition we now have far more people locked in cages than would normally be the case. Apart from the fact that these extra prisoners are not contributing economically to society, it also costs $50,000 per annum to incarcerate them. Additionally their families often go on government assistance, and it’s again the average tax payer who has to pick up the bill. Their kids may be taken into care or raised by foster parents, again with tax payer money. Now add to all this the court costs, jail costs, and the salaries of all those people that have to deal with the enforcement of prohibition, like police officers, judges and public defenders and you’ll start to get a fair idea of why “Black Thursday,” Oct. 24, 1929 happened during the period of another of our great experiments – alcohol prohibition.

    * The United States has the highest incarceration rate in the world.

    * 743 adults incarcerated per 100,000 population at year-end 2009.

    * 2,292,133 adults were incarcerated federal and state prisons, and county jails at year-end 2009, that’s approx. 1 percent of US adults.

    * Additionally, 4,933,667 adults at year-end 2009 were on probation or parole.

    * In total, 7,225,800 adults were under correctional supervision (probation, parole, or incarcerated) in 2009 — about 3.1 percent of adults in the U.S. resident population.

    Prohibition has helped fill our prisons and jails to capacity. Violent criminals, murderers, rapists and child molesters are released early to create space for so called ‘drug offenders’. Half of court trial time and also a huge chunk of police officers time is pointlessly wasted. Enormous untaxed profits from illegal drugs fund multi-national criminal empires which bribe law enforcement authorities and spread corruption faster than a raging bush fire. Prohibition takes violent criminals and turns them into multi-billionaires whilst corrupting even entire countries, including our own. Our drug laws are also funding the Taliban and al-Qaeda whose illegal opium profits allow them to buy weapons and pay its fighters more than $300 a month, compared with the $14 paid to an Afghan police officer.

    Maybe many of the early Prohibitionists did not really intend to kill hundreds of thousands worldwide, or put once in every 30 American adults under supervision of the correctional system. But similar to our “Great Experiment” of the 1920s, the prohibition of various other drugs has once again spawned rampant off-the-scale criminality & corruption, a bust economy, mass unemployment, a mind-boggling incarceration rate, a civil war in Mexico, an un-winnable war in Afghanistan and an even higher rate of drug-use (both legal & illegal) than in all other countries that have far more sensible policies.

    Prohibition is nothing less than a grotesque dystopian nightmare; if you support it you must be ignorant, stupid, brainwashed, insane or corrupt.

  40. I take offense at those who insist on continuing the violence to try to stop peaceful people from following their dreams and living their lives as they choose.

  41. I take offense at those who insist on continuing the violence to try to stop peaceful people from following their dreams and living their lives as they choose.

  42. Snowdog,

    “I take offense at those who insist on continuing the violence to try to stop peaceful people from following their dreams and living their lives as they choose.”

    That’s fine, but don’t claim that drugs don’t cause violent behavior when that is clearly false.

  43. Snowdog,

    “I take offense at those who insist on continuing the violence to try to stop peaceful people from following their dreams and living their lives as they choose.”

    That’s fine, but don’t claim that drugs don’t cause violent behavior when that is clearly false.

  44. your wrong. apparently you have never heard of drug induced, hallucination and rage. I’m a medical professional. you can’t argue against fact. there is no reason to make yourself violent PERIOD. there is no reason to take drugs and make yourself a danger to society. ABSOLUTELY NONE.

  45. your wrong. apparently you have never heard of drug induced, hallucination and rage. I’m a medical professional. you can’t argue against fact. there is no reason to make yourself violent PERIOD. there is no reason to take drugs and make yourself a danger to society. ABSOLUTELY NONE.

  46. I know right? it makes me feel better to know that someone else knows right from wrong.

  47. I know right? it makes me feel better to know that someone else knows right from wrong.

  48. WRONG. drugs make people violent. It’s medically proven, and if you want to deny that, your as ignorant as the rest of the foolish hippies.

  49. WRONG. drugs make people violent. It’s medically proven, and if you want to deny that, your as ignorant as the rest of the foolish hippies.

  50. wrong he was a violent individual in the first place. there would be a high possibility he would have done it to someone else. how about I talk to someone else who isn’t as fucking disturbingly biased and clueless as you are, you fool.

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