How many more cops need to die to end the war on drugs?

Five cops shot, one killed on a drug raid on the Seacoast. If drugs were legal or decriminalized, these cops would have never been harmed in this way.

End the insane war on drugs and save the lives of cops so they can investigate real crimes that have victims, instead of people trying to get high.

  • Jessi Elliot

    wow Ian, you’ve taken this to an all new low. Did you ever think that because he was high, he thought it was ok to shoot the cops and take someone hostage? god damnit kid, you are so god damned retarded sometimes (understatement)
    I mean this is a perfect example of how absolutely disgustingly biased you are. noticed how you slapped the hand of the government, and not of the violent individual. You make me sick Ian, you really do.

    • Ian Freeman

      It’s violence when men with guns come into your home.  I am not saying violence is okay in return.  I’m just saying it happens.  Had they not entered that man’s home in the first place looking for drugs, they’d not have ended up dead or shot.

      If you don’t believe me, go talk to the former cops at Law Enforcement Against Prohibition:

    • Jessi Elliot

      wrong he was a violent individual in the first place. there would be a high possibility he would have done it to someone else. how about I talk to someone else who isn’t as fucking disturbingly biased and clueless as you are, you fool.

    • Matthew Miller

      Do you ever stop to think that maybe if we didn’t have these asinine drug laws none of this would have happened in the first place?

    • Jessi Elliot

      WRONG. drugs make people violent. It’s medically proven, and if you want to deny that, your as ignorant as the rest of the foolish hippies.

    • Justin Keith

      Should all drugs be legal? I don’t know. But I am willing to assert that treating hard drugs as a medical problem rather than a criminal problem would’ve given people more outs. My understanding was that no-knock raids are illegal in NH. Regardless, if one was conducted, I have little sympathy for the LEOs. Lastly, both sides agreed to the risks of the “war” on drugs. Neither drug dealers nor police officers get to flip out about losing members in the “war.” That’s what war is. It doesn’t mean they have to like it, it just means they have to accept it as a possibility. Anyone who things otherwise is an asshole.

    • Jessi Elliot

      well Justin Keith, I’m talking about those who knowingly break laws that are put in place because of the drugs that cause harm to people other than the users. Your talking just about the users themselves. Thats why most drugs should be illegal. because some of these drugs alter a person so bad they become a danger to those who are around the user. That user becomes a safety threat to innocent people.

    • Snowdog

      Jessi, sarcasm aside, there’s no reason to shoot people and take them hostage if no one is coming after you. Drugs do not cause violent behavior. People do.

    • Keene_is_Free

      As someone with personal experience dealing with a close friend who became violent after using–an no, not because the police came in and raided her house–I really strongly disagree with this statement…and I almost take offense at its naivety.

    • malcolmkyle

      Alcohol is a factor in the following:

      * 73% of all felonies * 73% of child beating cases * 41% of rape cases * 80% of wife battering cases * 72% of stabbings * 83% of homicides.

      According to the Australian National Drug Research Institute (2003): “Tobacco, alcohol and illicit drugs are prematurely killing around seven million people worldwide each year, and robbing tens of millions more of a healthy life. The research into the global burden of disease attributable to alcohol, tobacco and illicit drugs found that in 2000, tobacco use was responsible for 4.9 million deaths worldwide, equating to 71 percent of all drug-related deaths. Around 1.8 million deaths were attributable to the use of alcohol (26 percent of all drug-related deaths), and illicit drugs (heroin, cocaine and amphetamines) caused approximately 223,000 deaths (3 percent of all drug-related deaths).”

      According to DrugRehabs.Org, national mortality figures for 2009 were:  tobacco  435,000;  poor diet and physical inactivity  365,000;  alcohol  85,000; microbial agents  75,000;  toxic agents  55,000; motor vehicle crashes  26,347; adverse reactions to prescription drugs 32,000;  suicide  30,622;  incidents involving firearms  29,000;  homicide  20,308;  sexual behaviors  20,000;  all illicit drug use, direct and indirect  17,000; and marijuana 0.

      Researchers led by Professor David Nutt, a former chief drugs adviser to the British government, asked drug-harm experts to rank 20 drugs (legal and illegal) on 16 measures of harm to the user and to wider society, such as damage to health, drug dependency, economic costs and crime. Alcohol scored 72 out of a possible 100, far more damaging than heroin (55) or crack cocaine (54). It is the most harmful to others by a wide margin, and is ranked fourth behind heroin, crack, and methamphetamine (crystal meth) for harm to the individual.

      The American Journal of Preventive Medicine found that in the U.S. alone, an estimated 79,000 lives are lost annually due to “excessive” drinking. The study estimates that the overall cost of excessive drinking by Americans is $223.5 billion each year.

      Health-related costs per user are eight times higher for those who drink alcohol when compared to those who use marijuana, and are more than 40 times higher for tobacco smokers, according to a 2009 review published in the British Columbia Mental Health and Addictions Journal.

      It states, “In terms of [health-related] costs per user: tobacco-related health costs are over $800 per user, alcohol-related health costs are much lower at $165 per user, and cannabis-related health costs are the lowest at $20 per user.”

      Having three or more alcoholic drinks a day increased lung cancer risk by 30 percent.

      “Heavy drinking has multiple harmful effects, including cardiovascular complications and increased risk for lung cancer,” 

      – lead researcher Stanton Siu, MD, of Kaiser Permanente

      Apart from the fact that legal drugs kill far more people than all the illegal drugs combined, debating whether a particular drug is harmless or not is missing the whole point. Are drugs like Heroin, Meth or Alcohol dangerous? It simply doesn’t matter, because if we prohibit them then we sure as hell know that it makes a bad situation far worse. If someone wants to attempt to enhance or destroy their lives with particular medicines or poisons, that should be their business, not anybody else’s. Their lives aren’t ours to direct. And anyway, who wants to give criminals, terrorists and corrupt law enforcement agents a huge un-taxed, endless revenue stream?

      A great many of us are slowly but surely wising up to the fact that the best avenue towards realistically dealing with drug use and addiction is through proper regulation which is what we already do with alcohol & tobacco, clearly two of our most dangerous mood altering substances. But for those of you whose ignorant and irrational minds traverse a fantasy plane of existence, you will no doubt remain sorely upset with any type of solution that does not seem to lead to your absurd and unattainable utopia of a drug free society. 

    • Snowdog

      I take offense at those who insist on continuing the violence to try to stop peaceful people from following their dreams and living their lives as they choose.

    • Keene_is_Free


      “I take offense at those who insist on continuing the violence to try to stop peaceful people from following their dreams and living their lives as they choose.”

      That’s fine, but don’t claim that drugs don’t cause violent behavior when that is clearly false.

    • Jessi Elliot

      your wrong. apparently you have never heard of drug induced, hallucination and rage. I’m a medical professional. you can’t argue against fact. there is no reason to make yourself violent PERIOD. there is no reason to take drugs and make yourself a danger to society. ABSOLUTELY NONE.

    • Will May

      I’m disappointed to hear that you’re a “medical professional”. In fact, I find it hard to believe, given what you’ve said so far.

      You wrote earlier:
      “drugs make people violent. It’s medically proven”

      Does aspirin make people violent? Does cyanide make people violent?

      Obviously, different drugs do different things. And different illicit drugs do very different things. It’s irresponsible to push this patently absurd and misleading claim as if it comes from your authority as a “medical professional”. If you are distorting the truth to promote your own political views, then you are no longer speaking as a medical professional, you are speaking as a demagogue.

    • Jessi Elliot

      oh for god sakes Will May, you know what the fuck I’m talking about you fool. PCP, Heroine, Cocaine. Stop nitpicking and actually provide reasonable comments.

    • davidinkeene

       i agree with  will…..there’s no cause and effect…….some drunk people get violent some don’t…same with cocaine etc…

    • Will May

      You never mentioned PCP, heroine, or cocaine. In fact, your comments imply that you’re talking about marijuana. “Stoner” this, “stoner” that. And the claim that marijuana causes people to be violent is controversial, at best. Most informed people (medical professionals and marijuana users alike) would probably agree that it’s ludicrous.

      This is not nitpicking. You’re misleading people with the banner of the medical profession. It’s not cool, and I’m sure the medical profession doesn’t appreciate it.

      Here is an accurate, professional summary of the effects of marijuana:

    • Jessi Elliot

      Will may I never said anything about or used the word “stoner” you fool. why do you insist on putting words in my mouth? I never mentioned the mind numbing drug marijuana. And you say I’m misleading? have you ever listened to yourself? 

    • Will May

       I apologize. I got you confused with another poster.

    • Justin Keith

      Which is why alcohol should be banned before pot. Seeing as how that’s not the case, the laws aren’t based on logic and it’s hard to have sympathy for either side in this situation. If you’re a medical professional, shouldn’t you be amenable to treating drug use and addiction as a medical problem rather than a criminal one?

    • Jay Warren

      the man was a steroid user and dealer, proven beyond doubt to cause erratic and violent behavior. This man was a hazard to all around him. We should be thankful he is no longer walking among us! How many more cops need to die…wrong question…how many more druggies should we kill?

    • MaineShark

      Yeah, unlike all the cops who use steroids.  When they use them, they become wonderful, upstanding individuals who love to help little old ladies cross the street, and never engage in a violent act, right?

    • Bradley Jardis


      I must respectfully disagree with you and agree with Ian.

      As a former law enforcement officer who has worked with the Drug Task Force on more than one occasion, I can assure you that the danger created by these raids is completely unnecessary.

      Violence isn’t the solution to addressing the complex drug addiction/abuse problem that society has.

  • Molari Molari

    I think most folks here agree that “any” life lost is too costly a price no matter if it is a LEO or a citizen.

    Legalizing drugs is a solution that could greatly reduce the financial burden of the drug war which waste needlessly lives and money.

    But seems the 2 main old parties (Rep & Dems) has no political will to discuss the matter preferring to campaign and spend on their billion dollar election show while the mainstream media sleeps in the same bed with them.

  • denni04011

    Ian, why are you are so concerned with the well-being of the police, when it’s the police you lot of jokers harass? FLIP-FLOP, FLIP-FLOP, FLOP-FLOP.It was a “stoner” that shot and KILLED a police chief. Yeah, a fecking stoner.
     This, you arse, is why we don’t need to legalise your stoner shite..
     Ridley’s going to love this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Snowdog

      It’s not flip-flopping. It a stand against violence. It appears to be flip-flopping when one chooses loyalty to one side, rather than a principled stand against violence.

  • Snowdog

    No, Ian, the solution is more military equipment. Tanks, helicopters, and hellfire missiles would have taken out that house, and everyone in it, without exposing the police to any danger.

  • davidinkeene

    do use think that  those people fighting back will bring  the “drug war” to a end faster than if they just   submitted to the coppers?

    • davidinkeene

       I say yes.

  • Kevin Shaulis

    So what you’re saying is that ALL drugs should be legal, correct? Even crack and cocaine? Do you know what drugs were in the house? Ian, you are freakin’ ignorant and disrespectful.

    • Keene_is_Free

      From what I understand, yes Ian believes all drugs should be legalized because he does not believe they have significant negative effects on anyone besides the users.

    • MaineShark

      I expect that the “because” has more to do with principle, than practical effectiveness.

      Of course, reducing and eliminating drug prohibitions /does/ have practical effectiveness, every time it’s been tried.  America’s famous experiment with drug prohibition in the early 20th century led to a massive increase in violent crime (the “roaring ’20s”).  Removing that prohibition on alcohol led to a massive decrease in violent crime.

      Portugal’s famous, current experiment with massively reducing their prohibition on some other drugs, has led to major social benefits.  It’s been a nearly-unqualified success, and further reductions might yield even stronger results.

    • malcolmkyle

      Prohibition is the “Goose that laid the golden egg” and the lifeblood of terrorists as well as drug cartels. Both the Taliban and the terrorists of al Qaeda derive their main income from the prohibition-inflated value of the opium poppy. An estimated 44 % of the heroin produced in Afghanistan, with an estimated annual destination value of US $ 27 Billion, transits through Pakistan. Prohibition has essentially destroyed Pakistan’s legal economy and social fabric. We may be about to witness the planet’s first civil war in a nation with nuclear capabilities. – Kindly Google ‘A GLOBAL OVERVIEW OF NARCOTICS-FUNDED TERRORIST GROUPS’ Only those opposed or willing to ignore these facts want things the way they are.

      * The future depends on whether or not enough of us are willing to take a long look at the tragic results of prohibition. If we continue to skirt the primary issue while refusing to address the root problem then we can expect no other result than a worsening of the current dire situation. – Good intentions, wishful thinking and pseudoscience are no match for the immutable realities of human nature.

      * Many important advancements in human society (even the reasonable requirement that gynecologists wash their hands before examining a patient) have been vehemently resisted by unconscionable, selfish individuals who were willing to use outright mendacity, specious logic and fear mongering to sacrifice the well-being of the rest of us.

      Never have so many been endangered and impoverished by so few so quickly!

      * The urge to save humanity is almost always a false-face for the urge to rule it. – H. L. Mencken (1880-1956) American editor, essayist and philologist.

      * 2010 Reported Corporate Revenues:

          Johnson & Johnson = $61.90 billion

          Pfizer= $50.01 billion

          GlaxoSmithKline = $45.83 billion

          Novartis = $44.27

          Sanofi-Aventis = $41.99 billion

          AstraZeneca = $32.81 billion

          Merck & Co. = $27.43 billion

          Eli Lilly = $21.84 billion

          Anheuser-Busch InBev (2007) = $16.70 billion

          MillerCoors = $3.03 billion

          Pabst = $0.50 billion

      * As with torture, prohibition is a grievous crime against humanity. If you support it, or even simply tolerate it by looking the other way while others commit it, you are an accessory to a very serious moral transgression against humanity.

      * The United States re-legalized certain drug use in 1933. The drug was alcohol, and the 21st amendment re-legalized its production, distribution and sale. Both alcohol consumption and violent crime dropped immediately as a result, and very soon after, the American economy climbed out of that same prohibition engendered abyss into which it had foolishly fallen.  

      “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing, after they’ve tried everything else.” 

      – Winston Churchill

    • Justin Keith

      The question shouldn’t be are the effects of all drugs limited to only those using it? Clearly any drug can affect others, and harder drugs are more likely to affect others in society. The question should be what are others willing to sacrifice to solve the problem and, if there are ways to solve the problem which are less deleterious to freedoms and life are we exploring them?

      I’m not convinced that drugs are more dangerous than the effects of prohibition.

    • MaineShark

       According to the news reports, so far, only anabolic steroids have been mentioned.

    • malcolmkyle

      Some simple facts:

      * Colombia, Peru, Mexico or Afghanistan with their coca leaves, marijuana buds or poppy sap are not igniting temptation in the minds of our weak, innocent citizens. These countries are duly responding to the enormous demand that comes from within our own borders. Invading or destroying these countries, thus creating more hate, violence, instability, injustice and corruption, will not fix our problem.

      * A rather large majority of people will always feel the need to use drugs such as heroin, opium, nicotine, amphetamines, alcohol, sugar, or caffeine.

      * The massive majority of adults who use drugs do so recreationally – getting high at the weekend then up for work on a Monday morning. 

      * Apart from the huge percentage of people addicted to both sugar and caffeine, a small minority of adults (nearly 5%) will always experience the use of drugs as problematic. – approx. 3% are dependent on alcohol and approx. 1.5% are dependent on other drugs such as methamphetamine, cocaine, heroine etc. 

      * Just as it was impossible to prevent alcohol from being produced and used in the U.S. in the 1920s, so too, it is equally impossible to prevent any of the aforementioned drugs from being produced, distributed and widely used by those who desire to do so. 

      * Prohibition kills more people and ruins more lives than the drugs it prohibits.

      * Due to Prohibition (historically proven to be an utter failure at every level), the availability of most of these mood-altering drugs has become so universal and unfettered that in any city of the civilized world, any one of us would be able to procure practically any drug we wish within an hour.

      * Throughout history, the prohibition of any mind-altering substance has always exploded usage rates, overcrowded jails, fueled organized crime, created rampant corruption of law-enforcement – even whole governments, while inducing an incalculable amount of suffering and death. 

      * Apart from the fact that the DEA is the de facto enforcement wing of the pharmaceutical industry, the involvement of the CIA in running Heroin from Vietnam, Southeast Asia and Afghanistan, and Cocaine from Central America has been well documented by the 1989 Kerry Committee report, academic researchers Alfred McCoy and Peter Dale Scott, and the late journalist Gary Webb.

      * It’s not even possible to keep drugs out of prisons, but prohibitionists wish to waste trillions of dollars in an utterly futile attempt to keep them off our streets.

      * The United States jails a larger percentage of it’s own citizens than any other country in the world, including those run by the worst totalitarian regimes, yet it has far higher use/addiction rates than most other countries.

    • Jessi Elliot

      I know right? it makes me feel better to know that someone else knows right from wrong.

  • malcolmkyle

    Yet another law enforcement officer dies in order that unconscionable transnational corporations, and their media enablers, can continue to abuse, addict and poison us for obscene profits.

    According to the CATO Institute, ending prohibition would save roughly $41 billion of expenditure while generating an estimated $46 billion in tax revenues. –

    Thanks to prohibition we now have far more people locked in cages than would normally be the case. Apart from the fact that these extra prisoners are not contributing economically to society, it also costs $50,000 per annum to incarcerate them. Additionally their families often go on government assistance, and it’s again the average tax payer who has to pick up the bill. Their kids may be taken into care or raised by foster parents, again with tax payer money. Now add to all this the court costs, jail costs, and the salaries of all those people that have to deal with the enforcement of prohibition, like police officers, judges and public defenders and you’ll start to get a fair idea of why “Black Thursday,” Oct. 24, 1929 happened during the period of another of our great experiments – alcohol prohibition.

    * The United States has the highest incarceration rate in the world.

    * 743 adults incarcerated per 100,000 population at year-end 2009.

    * 2,292,133 adults were incarcerated federal and state prisons, and county jails at year-end 2009, that’s approx. 1 percent of US adults.

    * Additionally, 4,933,667 adults at year-end 2009 were on probation or parole.

    * In total, 7,225,800 adults were under correctional supervision (probation, parole, or incarcerated) in 2009 — about 3.1 percent of adults in the U.S. resident population.

    Prohibition has helped fill our prisons and jails to capacity. Violent criminals, murderers, rapists and child molesters are released early to create space for so called ‘drug offenders’. Half of court trial time and also a huge chunk of police officers time is pointlessly wasted. Enormous untaxed profits from illegal drugs fund multi-national criminal empires which bribe law enforcement authorities and spread corruption faster than a raging bush fire. Prohibition takes violent criminals and turns them into multi-billionaires whilst corrupting even entire countries, including our own. Our drug laws are also funding the Taliban and al-Qaeda whose illegal opium profits allow them to buy weapons and pay its fighters more than $300 a month, compared with the $14 paid to an Afghan police officer.

    Maybe many of the early Prohibitionists did not really intend to kill hundreds of thousands worldwide, or put once in every 30 American adults under supervision of the correctional system. But similar to our “Great Experiment” of the 1920s, the prohibition of various other drugs has once again spawned rampant off-the-scale criminality & corruption, a bust economy, mass unemployment, a mind-boggling incarceration rate, a civil war in Mexico, an un-winnable war in Afghanistan and an even higher rate of drug-use (both legal & illegal) than in all other countries that have far more sensible policies.

    Prohibition is nothing less than a grotesque dystopian nightmare; if you support it you must be ignorant, stupid, brainwashed, insane or corrupt.

  • davidinkeene


  • Julie1964

    “End the insane war on drugs and save the lives of cops so they can investigate real crimes that have victims, instead of people trying to get high.” 

    Tell that to the hard working business owners who are getting robbed daily so that junkie can get his next fix!
     Tell that to the children who are going to bed in a filthy home, hungry tonight because the parent(s) spent the food stamp money or whatever money they may have on drugs rather than feed the children!. 
     Tell that to the young kids who are home alone because the parent(s) are out either stealing or are getting their next fix!
     Tell that to the baby who is sitting in a soiled diaper with diaper rash so bad there are open soars because the parent(s) bought drugs rather than diapers!.
      Tell that to the babies born daily being addicted to drugs!
      Tell that to the two woman he physically abused and threatened!

    This POS steriod abuser may have had a chance with his dream to become a paramedic IF he could of stayed away from the victim less drug!

    You are always proving to me how much of an idiot you really are.

    • MaineShark

      Why would anyone rob anyone else to pay for drugs, if they weren’t illegal?  Almost all drugs, except some of the “designer drugs” that are the playthings of the rich, are dead cheap to make.  Alcohol, marijuana, tobacco, cocaine, heroin, mushrooms… all plants or easily derived from plants, for pennies per dose.  Almost all of the cost is tax (in the case of alcohol and tobacco) or the premium commanded by a black market substance (in the case of the others).

      If you’re going to cite the effects of the drug war as why the drug war cannot be ended, you really need to think twice before calling someone else an idiot.

      Oh, and by the way, you’re right… he probably would have had trouble becoming a paramedic due to his steroid use.  However, given the rates of steroid use among cops (most departments have addressed the problem, though… by no longer testing for them), he could easily have become a cop…

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  • MyLocator ®

    when will brainwashed americans wake up? its been going on for decades. End of Discussion.