Andrew Carroll’s Record-Setting Campaign!

The detractors in the liberty movement said the civil disobedience in Keene “poisoned the well”. They point to the angry anonymous posts on the Sentinel articles and upset local politicos as evidence of their claim. No doubt, there are haters in Keene. Of course there are – Keene activism is dangerous to the status quo, gets attention and so local awareness means no one is “slipping under the radar” as some other activists are around the state. As a result of the haters, rumors fly around town about Free Keene and the liberty activists here. It sounds like a dire situation, doesn’t it?

Could things be done better? Sure. But since no one is in charge, the only way to accomplish that is persuasion. Otherwise, outreach is an important part of correcting misconceptions about activists in Keene. Andrew Carroll’s campaign for state house is one method of outreach. His responses on door-to-door visits were overwhelmingly positive and his voter turnout set a record for highest percentage of votes for a liberty activist in Keene!

That’s right, despite the multiple hit pieces published in the paper, the emails that went around to democrats, and the calls to local talk radio all with the intention to paint Andrew as an impostor and not a “real” democrat, Andrew Carroll received a higher percentage of the vote than did previous campaigns by liberty activists. Andrew received votes, at minimum, from 28% of all democratic voters. Julia Miranda got about 21% in 2007 and NH native Nick Ryder garnered about 24% in 2009, if I recall correctly. That 28% number comes from receiving 464 votes out of 1649 democrats voting! Please note, that in 2007 the anti-free-stater fervor had barely begun, so after years of civil disobedience, noncooperation, and outside-the-system activism, the results from inside the system are better than ever!

Congratulations, Andrew! Some say that political success isn’t possible in Keene for liberty activists here, and you may just prove them wrong the next time around. Very few candidates win their first time out.

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90 Comments

  1. I knew he did quite well

    He had a uphill battle

    And, to me, it was a great success

    despite my advocacy (lol)

    peace Andrew

    plus i wish he'd come on FTL

    for a "after campaign interview"

  2. Congratulations Andrew! Excellent results.

    One significant problem statists have is that lies are expensive to construct and maintain. The truth spreads itself naturally. They can't keep it up forever.

    I'm so glad that you took the substantial time and effort to wage this campaign in furtherance of liberty. Thank you!

  3. You can spout all the percetnages and figures you want. The fact is Andrew lost. He lost because he's tied up with your little clan of whackjob activists. Now that your expirement is done, please leave Keene and New Hampshire and go bother someone else.

  4. Wolf Frederickaon , I agree!!!

    Congratulating a loser is a waste of time.

    By "persuasion", it means " "brainwashing".

    This lot has made it perfectly clear that war is evil, bad, and we pay for it. It does no good.

    Nor should we be paying for it with OUR tax dollars.

    Where was this lot of asses on Sept, 11 2001?

    They were getting stoned, or sleeping it off.

    You will find most of the postings here are from the free keene site, not reliable news sources.

  5. Not bad considering all the underhanded political tactics used to smear him.

    Nevermind voting for a candidate based on the issues. Just vote for the seven people on a little orange flyer.

    Once again politics has devolved into mud-slinging and not about issues or rational discussion.

  6. And it should be mentioned that Andrew has nothing to do with Free Keene.

  7. Where was this lot of asses on Sept, 11 2001?

    I was in college.

    And 9/11 was directly caused by the endless bombing, overthrowing of elected governments, blockades, sanctions, propping up of dictators, occupation, arms distributions, etc, that the US has been engaged in around the world for well over 50 years. Actually, I'm surprised something like that didn't happen sooner (not that attacking innocent civilians was justified, of course).

    You think you can invade people's countries, starve them, blow up their relatives, overthrow their governments, etc, and not create enemies? How would you react if, say, China tried to pull the same B.S. on us, that we've been pulling in the middle east? You'd be vowing war.

    But yeah, I'm sure more of the same will solve all our problems. If we just blow up enough stuff (including innocent people), and insert our troops into enough neighborhoods, there will be nobody left to hate us, right?

  8. I mean, it's not like doing any of these things would create more enemies …

  9. *L* @ PAUL.

  10. I was at work, (as employment), when I heard about this. (Employment means working, for goods or services).

    I was and still am willing to have MY TAX DOLLARS defend the country I was born and brought up to admire.

    You were at college, wasting your money on this foolish brainwash? Free Keene? hahahaha.

    I worked next to a Naval Airstation, and I was glad I had them, using MY TAX DOLLARS, to make sure America was being defended. They can not be commended enough.

    I also have 2 close friends, (Husband and wife) from Michigan, that were in the Navy, and served well,(beyond duty,) that I am PROUD to say are my friends.

    The other option is….if you don't like America, move to Iran. Or go out to a hurricane in the Atlantic, and end it all.

  11. Ian,

    The other elections were local elections and this was a DEM primary

    so the percentages might not be fair to compare.

    Also you should say 'in Keene'

    as other FSPers have won elsewhere.

  12. I hope more people get involved politically. I think it is a great way to get real issues on the table. You will always have haters and detractors, there will always be people who enjoy seeing others not reach their goals but remember you guys are just getting going. It is good habits over time that will add up to success in the bigger picture.

    I hope you do not get discouraged and that you are not afraid to change your tactics where necessary.

    We definately need more freedom and liberty across this nation.

    Have fun and good luck!

  13. download.

    How to lie with statistics.

  14. PLEASE EVERYONE IGNORE DENNIS AND MAYBE HE AND HIS LIES AND SLAMS WILL GO AWAY

    SO MY THOUGHT IS ;DONT ADDRESS HIM MENTION HIS NAME

    JUST IGNORE HIM AS IF HE HADN'T SPOKEN

    please PLEASE

    HE NEEDS TO LEAVE AND NEVER COME BACK

    (IMHO)

    P.S.

    I ONLY MENTION HIS NAME HERE TO SAY THIS.I WONT BE ANY MORE!

  15. Wolf,

    If you love government you should leave, Wolf. This is not a good place to be if you want to control others. More liberty activists are coming, and no amount of nastiness from haters is going to stop them.

  16. ANDREW IF YOU NEED SOMEONE TO BE A Consigliere ON YOUR NEXT CAMPAIN I KNOW I CAN HELP

    PEACE

  17. MR

    "Wolf Frederickaon"

    THAT DOESNT SOUND LIKE A NATIVE AMERICAN NAME

    WHO KNOWS MAYBE YOU EVEN HAVE A ACCENT

    MAYBE SOMEONE CAN QUESTION YOUR CREDENTIALS AS A LEGITIMAT KEENE PERSON

    WHO KNOWS MAYBE YOU WERE ONE OF THE PEOPLE IN GERMANY WHO WANTED PEOPLE TO GO AWAY BACK IN THE DAY

    BOTTOM LINE

    SHUT UP ,AND STOP ACTING LIKE YOU SAY WHO STAYS AND GOES IN KEENE

    THIS ISNT YOUR NOSTALGIC WISTFULL REMANISACES OF NAZI GERMANY

  18. The other option is….if you don’t like America

    Oh I like America just fine. I just don't like the thieving, torturing, aggressively violent gang calling themselves the federal government.

  19. Davey, Davey, Now now be a good boy and stop being mean.

    No, it doesn't work like you want. This is not a get what you want country.

    YOU, YOURSELF can ignore me, but it's not going to stop me from posting.

    If you insist on not responding to my ridiculous rant, that is your FREE choice, and I will honour it, as it is your FREE choice to do so.

    By your posting, I must say, you are demanding, not giving FREE choice, though.

    Sounds hypocritical, but that's what this free thingy's all about. Congrats to Andrew for not winning.

  20. David, your caps lock is on.

  21. Dennis, I was in school when it happened, but my uncles and second cousins were at ground the trade center helping people out of the building. Four of them died because the government you love so much made really bad decisions in forign policy that we were forced to pay for. Thanks for proudly paying for their death.

  22. Wolf did say one true thing though

    I'd like to say this

    In Keene,the people don't mark a differance between "freekeene" "freestate' :basicly anything with a "free" infront of it is the SAME .

    And it means "People who come to keene to take over"

    and do activism (which they don't like)

    So in that wolf was right to a large extent.

    Well.. I think the people who are less inclined to like the free staters are the older people who VOTE AND are in control.

    This is why i know that Andrew did fabulous!

    The more people meet him the more votes he will get.

    I think the effort to tell people "im a free keener not a free stater" or "im a freestater and not a activist" or whatever….Its all the same to keene people

  23. Caps lock, again Davie. It's stuck.

  24. I dont know about you but im writing in Andrew Carroll in response to Kelly Ayotte.

    If you write, Not Ayotte in the write in space on the ballow it should count as a vote against her.

  25. Does anyone know how Ian came up with the 1649 democrats voting in the state rep election number?

  26. City of Keene – got the details from them.

  27. Ian,
    You are great at putting your spin on things. I commend Andrew on getting out there and having the courage to run, something that is quite lacking in your group. I believe he won votes because he is a nice, sincere, honest guy. It had very little to do with his association to Free Keene.
    Don't flatter yourself.
    If anything, other than getting his name out there, the Free Keene association hurt him.
    Andrew got 28% of the votes? Not quite. He may have been voted on by 28% of the ballots, but people could vote for 7 candidates. So with 1694 Democrats voting, there was the possibility of 11,858 votes. Of which Andrew got 464, or a little under 4%. I am certain not everyone voted for all 7 candidates that they could have, but to say "Andrew received, at minimum, 28% of all democratic votes cast." is a gross misrepresentation of the facts. Fact is, he came in 8th in an 8 person race, and he only needed to come in 7th to 'win'.
    Like said, I commend Andrew for running, but get your facts straight.

  28. Sorry, I see how that wasn't clear. By vote, I meant voters. I've rephrased it to:

    "Andrew received votes, at minimum, from 28% of all democratic voters."

    It's a fact that at least one in four democrats voted for Andrew Carroll. I never claimed Free Keene helped him. I understand how people have associated Free Keene with all of the activism in town, even though it was not created by FK's bloggers. People's misperceptions of liberty activists will change as they actually meet activists like Andrew.

  29. I commend Andrew on getting out there and having the courage to run, something that is quite lacking in your group.

    Yes, because its courageous to choose between Tweedledee and Tweedledum and then let whichever person who won dictate your life despite you voting against them or not at all.

    "Oh but they won so you gotta do what they say now."

    No. No I don't. Eff them. I didn't vote for them, I don't want them, I'm not going to listen to them. The entire concept of a minority of people choosing between two sides of the same coin to tell them how to run their lives and the larger majority that didn't participate or who chose the losers having to obey the winner is retarded. Full on, no holds barred retarded.

    And I'm not buying.

  30. Wasn't clear? No, it wasn't true. Nice spin on your blatant misrepresentation. The perceptions people have will not change when activists like you are misrepresenting the facts and claiming as some sort of victory coming in 8th. And by the way, the next lowest vote total was 817, over 350 votes more. So Andrew needed to nearly double his votes just to come in 7th.

    Andrew has a long way to go if he indeed wants to pursue politics, and I wish him luck because I think he is honest and a nice kid. But his first step should be to get as far away from you as possible. IMHO

  31. irvingw,
    will you allow
    that Ian made a mistake?
    That is all :a simple mistake it doesn't have to be a fight
    Hey irvingw where is the site to get the numbers for the election results
    maybe post that
    Peace

  32. Hey Zeus, in the great words of James Schlessinger Jr., " Don’t like it? Take a hike."

  33. No, I told you what my intention was. It was to say that more than one in four democrats voted for Andrew. I cited my numbers originally and even changed how I referenced them thanks to your correction.

    It wasn't clear, because I was considering a "vote" as a ballot cast. You were considering a "vote" as a filled-in-box. I changed my statement to make it clear.

    Thanks again.

  34. Also, I never claimed Andrew won. Please look again. I merely stated he set a record for percentage of voters choosing a liberty activist despite the haters. There's no denying that, sorry!

  35. irvingw,

    Care to point out the context of James's words or is that too tall an order for you?

  36. Ian ,

    andrew got like 400 and something votes
    the next highest got 800 something votes
    there where 8 to select from
    the others got like over 1000
    etc
    so the percentages don't add up for 28% for Andrew
    and those 8 candidates i speak of are all the democratic candidates
    so
    Im certain irvingw will correct me if im wrong

    PEACE
    maybe im counting wrong
    peace

  37. David,

    Sorry for the confusion. Irvingrw is correct that he got a small amount of the total "votes", as in bubbles-filled-in.

    However, 28% of democrats chose Andrew Carroll.

    He got 464 out of 1649 democrats to choose him.

    That's 28.138% of 1649 voters choosing Andrew.

  38. ok

    PEACE!

    🙂

  39. This article is ridiculous.

    Free Keene was the biggest obstacle– by far– keeping Andrew from being elected.

    You saw the attacks.

    The biggest regret I have about this race is that Andrew didn't come out straight from the beginning criticizing Free Keene activism. If this had been done, it would have been much harder for the other candidates to attack his character, and we would have saved ourselves a whole hell of a lot of trouble.

    That's not to say that crappy civ dis has to have this kind of effect on libertarian campaigns. It was our fault for not immediately publicizing our disagreements with Free Keene. I, for one, intend to remedy this, and will be jumping at the chance to criticize activism promoted by Free Keene in more public forums. Shame on me for not doing this all along.

    Yes, Andrew got a record vote in a hard race, and that's awesome.

    But to say civil disobedience played no negative role is a blatant misrepresentation of the facts.

  40. david,there were 7555 total democratic votes cast in district 3 on 1649 ballots. Andrew got 464, about 6%. Everyone had the opportunity to cast 7 votes for any of the 8 candidates. Since there are 7 spots to fill, you 'win' by the total number of votes cast, not by the number of people who vote for you. Andrew would have needed 818 votes to beat out the 7th place candidate. It is total political spin to say 28% of the voters chose Andrew. He got 6% of the votes cast.

    Zeus, mommy's not here to do your homework for you anymore, and I'm not about to start. It's written in the last few days on this blog, look it up. Or is that too tall an order for you?

  41. irving, while your spin is correct, that also means the top vote-getter in the race, Chuck Weed, who received 1226 votes only got 16% of the total votes.

    It's not spin to say Andrew got 28% of all the democrats who voted to vote for him – that's the truth.

  42. 1.

    James Schlessinger Jr on Tue, 14th Sep 2010 8:39 pm

    ——————————————————————————–

    “bernard miller”, your parody cry is bullshit, you were acting like a jackass, a troll, whatever moniker works. Is that clear enough for you? Don’t like it? Take a hike. There are many posters who have sprayed ad hominid attacks and have not had their posts moderated or edited (they are still on the site, you can verify this for yourself). Your claim of foul treatment is without merit and shall be disregarded. When you are done with your temper tantrum, grow up or find another forum to piss on

  43. Zeus, mommy’s not here to do your homework for you anymore, and I’m not about to start. It’s written in the last few days on this blog, look it up. Or is that too tall an order for you?

    I don't take orders.

    Thanks to Free Willy, however, the context is clear. James is a moderator of this forum. That's private property. He has the right extended to him directly by the property owner to enforce the owner's rules.

    The context of your remark, however, is just more "Love it or Leave it" nationalist nonsense. I should leave my land and loved ones because I don't want you to steal from me, kidnap me, assault me or kill me?

    How about instead you and the other statists just try keeping your hands to yourselves? Fund your own indoctrination centers,your useless wars, and your useless bureaucrats and politicians, and leave the rest of us be in peace.

    Are you that much of a sociopath that you can't mind your own business and refrain from aggressing against others?

  44. Look, Zeus has someone else to do his homework for him.

    And Ian, yes, 16% of the votes cast, but since there were 7 spots open, you would never need more than about 14% to qualify. And at 1226 votes, Chuck Weed was on almost 75% of the ballots cast, by your reasoning. The next lowest person was on nearly 50% of the ballots cast, yet only about 10% of all votes cast.

    Andrew, I agree with Skeptikos, get as far away from this group as you can. Good luck in any future campaign. It's bruising and a lot of work, but if you can make a difference, great.

  45. Zeus, You are an idiot. Plain and simple. This is the country you live in. There are laws and taxes. Every country has them. Don't like it, work to change it. But stop calling it theft, kidnap and assault if you don't follow the rules society makes. And if you can figure out a better system than voting, one that would actually work and not some utopian theory, let us know. Stop whining when your candidate doesn't win.
    And I wasn't telling you to take an order, idiot. A tall order is something that is hard to achieve, which apparently you were not up to.

    Good job Andrew. Cut the cord from these buffoons, and you will do fine.

  46. Zeus, You are an idiot. Plain and simple.

    Typical ad hominem rebuttal.

    This is the country you live in. There are laws and taxes. Every country has them.

    How many laws do there need to be, irving? there are hundreds of thousands on the books and its a fact that Congress *does not read them* before voting on them because they are hundreds of pages long. That's how pork barrel projects like bridges to nowhere get funded.

    As for taxes, the same document your masters in Washington are supposed to be bound by states that there aren't supposed to be any direct taxes and yet your masters rob us based on our wages earned from our labor. What did they do to earn that money? Start another war? Shoot some black guy in the back and blame it on confusing a gun with a tazer? Vote themselves another raise? Propose another tax or prohibit the sale of yet another product or service? Kill someone's grandma or dog in another drug raid?

    They don't earn that money, we do. If they want some of it, they can earn it just like anybody else by offering useful goods and services that are requested, not forcing them on us at the point of a gun or the threat of assault or kidnap.

    Don’t like it, work to change it. But stop calling it theft, kidnap and assault if you don’t follow the rules society makes.

    Society doesn't make rules. Politicians and bureaucrats do. And of course, they're all epic geniuses reknowned in the fields of economics, geopolitical science, philosophy and so on, right? Oh no, most of them are just a bunch of schmuck lawyers and/or wealthy elitists who are known for lying to your face time and time again.

    And if you can figure out a better system than voting, one that would actually work and not some utopian theory, let us know. Stop whining when your candidate doesn’t win.

    We already came up with a better system. It's called KYFHO. Look it up.

    And I don't have any candidates so I couldn't possibly be whining about one not winning, now can I? Don't bother answering that one, I know logic isn't your strong suit. I'll just assume your response is another ad hominem dodge and save you the trouble.

    And I wasn’t telling you to take an order, idiot.

    Duh. I was being facetious. Look that up too.

  47. david, you can't even sort out where your caps lock is.

  48. Zeus on Thu, 16th Sep 2010 2:57 pm

    Zeus, You are an idiot. Plain and simple.

    Typical ad hominem rebuttal.

    This is the country you live in. There are laws and taxes. Every country has them.

    How many laws do there need to be, irving? there are hundreds of thousands on the books and its a fact that Congress *does not read them* before voting on them because they are hundreds of pages long. That’s how pork barrel projects like bridges to nowhere get funded.

    As for taxes, the same document your masters in Washington are supposed to be bound by states that there aren’t supposed to be any direct taxes and yet your masters rob us based on our wages earned from our labor. What did they do to earn that money? Start another war? Shoot some black guy in the back and blame it on confusing a gun with a tazer? Vote themselves another raise? Propose another tax or prohibit the sale of yet another product or service? Kill someone’s grandma or dog in another drug raid?

    They don’t earn that money, we do. If they want some of it, they can earn it just like anybody else by offering useful goods and services that are requested, not forcing them on us at the point of a gun or the threat of assault or kidnap.

    Don’t like it, work to change it. But stop calling it theft, kidnap and assault if you don’t follow the rules society makes.

    Society doesn’t make rules. Politicians and bureaucrats do. And of course, they’re all epic geniuses reknowned in the fields of economics, geopolitical science, philosophy and so on, right? Oh no, most of them are just a bunch of schmuck lawyers and/or wealthy elitists who are known for lying to your face time and time again.

    And if you can figure out a better system than voting, one that would actually work and not some utopian theory, let us know. Stop whining when your candidate doesn’t win.

    We already came up with a better system. It’s called KYFHO. Look it up.

    And I don’t have any candidates so I couldn’t possibly be whining about one not winning, now can I? Don’t bother answering that one, I know logic isn’t your strong suit. I’ll just assume your response is another ad hominem dodge and save you the trouble.

    Blah, blah, blah. So many words, so little to say. And I wasn't tying you being an idiot to any argument you might make. That would be an ad hominem rebuttal. Your just an idiot, plain and simple.

  49. So it's not stealing when 51% agree with the theft, right Irving?

  50. You are correct, Irving, Chuck Weed did have a supermajority of voters cast theirs for him. I'm glad we can agree. I only brought up the 16% of votes to put your pointing out Andrew's 6% of total votes in perspective.

    We all know Andrew lost, but he did better than the other two liberty activist candidates have in spite of the hate campaign targeted against him. That's pretty impressive.

    Hopefully you'll put up a yard sign for him next time around.

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