Ian’s Blog from Jail #3

Ian Freeman[Mail to Jail was unable to transcribe this letter due to injury, so thanks go to volunteers Anthony Richard and one other person for transcribing this letter from Ian. We have not checked the transcription, so we are still attaching to this post Ian’s letter scanned in a PDF format.] 

“Reflections on Civil Disobedience”

One night, later in the week at Porcfest this year I was walking around
and stopped at a campfire. A couple of the faces I had recognized as
people I had met earlier in the week – the rest I did not know. I believe
100% of them were attending their first Porcfest.

Apparently, I was right on cue, as when I approached the fire, some
comment was made about how if Ian Freeman were around, they could ask me.
The individual looked up, saw that the universe had delivered me to their
campfire, exclaimed a pleasant surprise and proceeded to ask: “Why Keene?”
Just prior to my arrival they had been discussing this, perhaps curious as
to why I had not chosen to move to Manchester and also under the
misconception that it was I who started the move to Keene. It’s an
understandable misconception, especially to people who may not have paid
attention to the Free State Project prior to the last year or two.

Allow me to explain – somewhat as I did at the campfire – while I may be
an effective promoter of Keene as a destination for liberty activists,
like many of the ideas I promote, it wasn’t originally mine. I am
certainly an early mover to Keene, but I wasn’t the earliest. There are
many reasons for you to consider a move to Keene (see over 130 at
move.FreeKeene.com), but the main reason I moved was because I was
inspired by the earliest movers: people like Russell and Kat Kanning, Dave
Ridley, Lauren Canario and her husband Jim Johnson. It was outstanding to
me that the Kannings were publishing and distributing their own newspaper,
but what really got me excited was their courageous civil disobedience.

Had no Civ Dis been happening, who knows when I would have made-the-move,
or where in NH I’d have ended up. I knew I wanted to help this happy band
of noncooperative, creative liberty-lovers and also add my radio show to
the liberty media in Keene and send a beacon to like-minded people around
the world that Keene was where exciting things were already happening.
Things far more interesting than the typical political campaigning I was
used to in Florida.

When I arrived, I grabbed a video camera and jumped right in – not quite
ready to disobey – I saw my role as adding to the media covering the
heroic acts of the Kannings and Lauren C. I knew eventually I would –
having around brave people tends to encourage and embolden.

As I was telling the stories or early Keene Civ Dis, like the time Kat and
Lauren were arrested by the feds for holding signs peacefully and quietly
in the IRS office, it became clear to me that the young Porcfesters at the
campfire had no idea who the Kavvings and Lauren Canario were. They had
never seen the videos of their arrests that had so inspired me and were
unaware that anything had come before FreeKeene.com.

I finished up telling the tale of how I had been inspired to move to Keene
and bid the campfire good night as I moved on, walking to other campsites.
As I set off down the road, a realization struck me: The origins of Keene
as an activist destination, specifically the heroic activists that made it
so had become a campfire story. It had only been five or six years since
their inspiring civil disobedience that I consider legendary, but these
new activists were totally unaware of.

I have mixed feelings about this phenomenon. On one hand it’s great that
Keene is seen as a destination because of the activism that is happening
now, but on the other it is sad that the amazing work that was
pre-FreeKeene (we launched at the end of 2006) has been lost to the sands
of time. It would be nice to track down those old videos and re-release
them as retrospective so all the new blood in this movement can see and be
inspired by what has come before.

Since this post is about my thoughts on Civil Disobedience, I thought it
was important to start by acknowledging and appreciating the “first wave”
– the great activists who moved here first, started from zero, and inspire
the second wave. I would arbitrarily say the first wave ran from 2004-2006
and the second from 2007-2010, which was fully covered here at FK. You
need only click back through the archives to experience (or revisits)
events like OTN’s Sam Dodson and Dave Ridley at RidleyReport.com being
arrested for recording video in the court lobby, the outlaw gardener, the
couch enforcer, tresspassive twelve, disobedient seven, the historic 420
celebrations – including the KPD smokeout and Pumpkinfest arrests, and
more that are escaping my mind at the moment.

So here I sit at the Cheshire “House of Corrections” a.k.a. the Keene
Spiritual Retreat, with plenty of time to ponder and reflect. The big
question being asked of me is, “Was it worth it?” I’ll get to that, but
first as one who has observed, participated in, and reported on many
instances of Civ Dis and noncooperation, I think it’s important to address
the most common critique, which amounts to: “What good has come from all
of this disobedience? What have you accomplished or changed besides making
people angry?”

Those making this accusatory critique appear to only have one criteria by
which they judge the success of civil disobedience – whether or not a
statute or ordinance was changed as a result of the disobedience. From
their perspective, they are right. To my knowledge, after six years at
various civil disobedience and noncooperation, no statutes or ordinances
have been changed. Hundreds of days and nights have been cumulatively
spent in jail (I am in on a 90 day sentence – one of the longest thus far
meted out to an NH liberty activist) and indeed, many observers have been
angered. Juries have thus far refused to completely nullify cases
involving Civ Dis or noncooperation, handing out guilty verdicts in 100%
of the four cases thus far. (All the jury cases have happened thus far in
2011 and to their credit they did find Bob “WeedaClaus” Constantine guilty
of a misdemeanor cannabis possession charge rather than the felony
cultivating, with which he’d been originally charged and they also found
me not guilty of resisting arrest, but neither seems to be an instance of
jury nullification.) I’m arbitrarily leaving out Pete and Ademo’s historic
nullification in their felony wiretapping case, as that took place in the
geopolitical designation known as Massachusetts.

Critics submit that these court failures, plus angry anonymous comments
posted on various interest news sites, in addition to the real-life
conversation and the lack of legislative change, in proof that Civil
Disobedience has failed to win the hearts and minds of people in NH. Of
course, it should be obvious that the critics are ignoring that there are
indeed NH natives and longtime inhabitants who support these tactics –
some of them actually participating in them! So, it’s clear not everyone
is upset about civil disobedience, but for the sake of argument, let’s
give them the claim t hat most people in NH are opposed to disobedience.
(Clearly some disobedience is going to be more popular than others,
depending on the issue and how the activists approach it.)

One thing you can count on politicos to do is what they consider practical
and take the path-most-traveled, meaning any “legal” action they perceive
as low-risk. It is much more comforting to do the time-honored thing and
beg master to change his rules or attempt to be elected as master than it
is to actually do what is more – what is right – and stand up for their
beliefs. I mean who in their right mind would want to anger their fellow
slaves? People in the past who disobeyed were crucified like that Jesus
guy – why on earth would anyone want to actually emulate him? It’s much
easier to go to church and call yourself a Christian, isn’t it? Muhammad
was also persecuted for years and came to physical harm because he refused
to obey the masters of his time – fortunately he did not die at their
hands. More recently, disobedients have faced water cannons, police
beatings, and angry crowds. Thus far in the chronicles of NH liberty
activism we have only faced cagings. Our masters have become more careful
with how they handle disobedience, likely thanks to the proliferation of
video devices and the ease of distribution. The masters are very concerned
about their aura of legitimacy – so they’ve had to soften up a bit on the
enforcement side. The point being disobedience is less-risky than ever,
but most people are petrified of it. That it angers some people is a
convenient excuse. So what if 51% or 75% are upset by you doing what is
right? Did Jesus, Mohammad , Gandhi, or Rosa Parks conduct a public
opinion poll prior to making a stand? Were their actions mistakes because
people were upset by them? Would their movements have been more successful
had they merely begged master to change the “rules”?

So if legislation hasn’t changed, what has been accomplished by all this
disobedience? What good has it done?

>Personal Empowerment – Anyone who has the courage to disobey, or say “no”
and noncooperate with master’s demands, whether all alone or in a group
of disobedients will be better off mentally for it. You are acting on
your conscience, casting aside fear and letting the light in your soul
shine. I assure you it’s very satisfying compared to begging master for
some scraps of freedom. As Gandhi said, you are being the change you wish
to see. It matters not when the change manifests externally – you’ve
changed for good, on the inside. If nothing else came from disobedience,
this alone would make it “worth it”.

>Encouraging Others – As the “first wave” on NH liberty disobedients was
encouraged by the examples of Gandhi, Martin Luther King, and Rosa Parks,
many of the “second wave” were inspired by the first. The next wave will
be inspired by the second, and so on. When one observes others saying
“no”, it becomes more possible in one’s mind. “If so and so can do it…”

>Attracting like-minded souls – While the politicos busy themselves with
currying favor with the ruling class and engaging in elections, some have
been frustrated by the lack of publicity their efforts receive. To be
fair, I have always been happy to report their successes (and to their
credit they are making some headway in NH) on my radio show and here at
FreeKeene. I get it that disobeying is scary and risky – it will never be
for everyone, so I want to help the inside-the-system folks recruit new
movers, because it will take activism of all stripes to achieve liberty
in our lifetime. That said, disobedience has sizzle and politics tends to
be very dull. Promoting disobedience and noncooperative acts will attract
those who already have the courage to disobey as well as those who are
looking to find the courage and just need to feel like someone’s got
their back. Keene is the Mecca of liberty-oriented disobedience. This is
Harry Browne’s “silver rule” in action – be true to yourself and you will
attract to you others of like mind. I want to attract liberty-lovers who
have courage and are willing to take a risk, if only a little. A lot of
people taking little risks will be unstoppable. This is a numbers game.
The more activists we have here of all stripes, the better. If some NH
natives get upset, that’s to be expected. As our numbers increase, it
becomes more likely that a liberty-lover will become their customer,
co-worker, employee, employer, or neighbor. Then it will be much harder
for them to be angry and misinformed. Remember – anyone who challenges
the status quo will be the target of vitriol, as the politicos are now
discovering with the huge angry backlash (newspaper articles, editorials,
protests) excoriating them for cutting the State budget by 12%. But I
digress.

>Free Publicity – Civil Disobedience frequently results in lots of press
coverage in print, on TV, radio, and online. We’ve had coverage by the
AP, Slate, Cannabis Culture, newspapers statewide, the Boston Phoenix,
Globe, Counterpunch, and more. This coverage, whether positive, neutral,
or negative, is worth thousands of dollars and contributes to attracting
more liberty lovers to NH and to Keene.

>Sparks Discussing & Potential for Political Change – The open container
Civ Dis in Keene led to Heika Courser bringing the issue in front of the
city council. It was assigned to a committee and the public commented all
in favor of its repeal. Of course the opponents were the police, and the
committee voted to “table” the issue, which means do nothing. Also, the
420 celebrations have expanded to the State House, the police have done
nothing, and the celebrants have become bolder, this year chalking
messages all over the front sidewalk, steps, and columns, walking en
masse through the state house, and evening singing freedom songs in the
lobby. Will the legislators notice the hundreds of protestors on their
doorstep and move forward with decriminalization? Only time will tell.
Meantime, the issue is alive and well, and you can bet action like that
gets people talking.

>Bad Laws Become Unenforceable – Sure, when it’s a lone disobedient or
only a handful, it’s easy for the police to crack down on activists.
However, this is a numbers game. Once the number of disobedients
outnumber the enforcers, the game changes. The police blink. The
activists win. If a bad statute or ordinance is not being enforced,
that’s almost as good as it being repealed. A perfect example of this is
the epic 420 celebrations in Keene back in 2009. The smoke-outs built
within days to over 100 attendees in Keene’s Central Square and KPD
decided to crackdown by doing the only thing they know how to do – target
the perceived leaders for arrest. NH liberty activist Rich Paul was
arrested and carted off to the police station. The aggressors never could
have expected what happened next – about half of the crowd walked to the
police department, crossed the “no unauthorized access” line, sat in a
circle, and smoke up right outside the back door. Rich was released on
personal recognizance to a cheering crowd who then returned to the
square. KPD was not done, however. The following day (these 420s were
daily), they again invaded the crowd and again made an arrest (or two)
still hoping to intimidate everyone into stopping their “illegal”
behavior. Instead, the crowd again walked to KPD, this time entering the
lobby and smoking cannabis there! That was the last time KPD ever
bothered 420 in Central Square, essentially making it a DMZ for cannabis
smoking. The key ingredients for this historic civil disobedience win
were large numbers, solidarity, and perseverance.

That brings me to the areas that can be improved in the Civ Dis realm. The
liberty movement has never seen any notable civil disobedience or
noncooperation until the advent of the Free State Project. Though we’ve
been at it six years, the movement is still novice in many ways, despite
the fact it has spawned Civ Dis in other places like Washington D.C.,
Orlando, and Austin. Here are some areas that could use improving:

>Numbers! – This is the most critical aspect that will affect all of the
other weak areas that I will point out. There have been so many instances
where more disobedients would have turned the tide and likely prevented
many arrests. The “Tresspassive Twelve” were arrested for walking around
the new jail (where I am now), even though we had done so many times at
the old jail. However, tend minutes before the police arrived there were
50 people gathered in front of the jail. Most left when an activist with
a police scanner announced the cops were en route. Considering the police
had to round up every officer in the vicinity (including Keene, Marlboro
and Swanzey cops, plus a state cop, and jail guards) to arrest a dozen of
us (there were 13 officers total to our 12), how would they have behaved
if all 50 activists had stayed? Another example where we saw how numbers
changed the game, so no speculation in necessary, was last year’s Keene
City Council drinking game. Activists were arrested for “disorderly
conduct” when they (including me and I still have trial coming on this)
refused to allow the police to search their bottles and then refused to
leave the ostensibly public meeting. The “mayor” interrupted his own
meeting to target the handful of activists, but at the next meeting, over
a dozen activists showed up and played the drinking game. Not a peep from
“they mayor”, no attempts to search, no orders to leave. Numbers are
critical. It’s been tricky to get numbers built up because activists will
get arrested in smaller groups then get convicted and have “suspended
sentences” put over their heads, basically taking them out of the game.

>Persistence & Sustainability – Because we don’t have a large pool of
disobedients (the 420s were an exception because most participants were
locals who were just along for the ride – many would attempt to conceal
their smoking when cops arrived. They weren’t really doing open
disobedienve, but their presence was a big help nonetheless.), we can’t
keep up the disobedience like Food Not Bombs did recently with their
feeding of the homeless in an Orlando park this summer. Week after week,
new faces showed up to be arrested. Eventually OPD dropped the charged.
In Keene, when OTN’s Sam was arrested for recording video in the district
court lobby, Dave Ridley did a follow-up challenge and was arrested.
There was idle talk of a mass videoing, but no one stepped forward to
lead it. We lost that one.

>Organization and Planning – One of the big pluses to the NH liberty
movement is that it is decentralized. No one is in charge. That is good
in many aspects. One need not ask for some dear leader or board for
permission to do something and there is no head for the aggressors to cut
off and cripple the movement. The downside is that organizing liberty
activists can be like “herding cats” – everyone tends to be independent.
That’s not to say it can’t be done. If someone has a good idea, people
will jump on board and get involved and be open to
suggestion/direction/delegation. However, for that to happen requires…

>Leadership & Instigators – This is a new movement, and the reality is
that many F.S.P. movers have never really done activism before. They are
excited and willing to do, but feel more comfortable joining rather than
leading, at least for now. Hopefully the students will eventually become
the masters. However, like in the rest of life, the 80/20 rule is in
effect in the NH liberty movement. 20% instigate and lease most activism
and the 80% help out. We need more instigators and leaders. Again more
numbers can solve all of these problems. At the time of this writing,
there are only about 1,000 “Free Staters” here in NH.

So, I’ve covered the history, the benefits, and even leveled some critique
at the civil disobedience/noncooperation movement here in NH. At this
point, I have been working on this essay and third blog post from jail
over multiple days and am now on my fifteenth handwritten page! I still
have to answer the question, “Was it worth it?”, but first big thanks to
Mike Barskey at MailtoJail.com for providing such an awesome service
helping people connect with jailed liberty-loving activists. He is the one
taking the time to print and mail 90% of the mail I got in here AND he is
transcribing these blog posts to FreeKeene. If you haven’t yet, please
visit MailtoJail.com and send him a contribution. Stamps aren’t cheap, and
his time is valuable, not to mention the service! Now, on to the big
question: “Was it worth it?”

I will answer that in my next post. Stay tuned.
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58 Comments

  1. Ah yes – the big bad gun toting loud mouth Rich Paul. Any of you free keeners donate money to his "legal defense fund"? Any of you care to fill others in on what happened to that legal defense fund? LOL. And who could ever forget the heroic march to KPD, where marijuana was being smoked in the lobby, with much huffing and puffing of caved in chests all the while dissing sarcastic diatribes at some dispatcher through a window who has nothing to do with anything. I particularly liked the attempted early indoctrination to a life of addiction by offering 10th GRADERS marijuana to smoke. Real impressive…..pushing drugs onto kids. Good times. Good times.

  2. Marijuana isn't addictive.

    Many of the drugs that your beloved government /forces/ children to take, are.

  3. Shark, "Marijuana isn't addictive".

    Neither are inhalants. Should we go out and recruit kids to "Huffing"?

    I came here (to this web site) a few months ago. I started trying to sort through the massive amounts of DRIVEL posted here. I was hoping to learn and understand a "movement" that confused me. Through all of this sorting, one impression kept coming to me. I kept pushing it aside because I didn't want to believe that this was the answer. Today, after reading this blog, I have become convinced that my impression was correct. This is disappointing to me. I had hoped that I was wrong. I WANTED to be proven wrong……

    This blog (shown in the handwriting of one of this movement's "perceived" leaders) has shown me what it's all about. The "Free State Project" and "Free Keeners" are a bunch of IGNORANT, NARCISSISTIC ASSHOLES! In this letter, Ian has the nerve to compare himself and other "liberty activists" to Jesus, Muhammad and Gandhi. Here's an idea for you Ian…… Go and wander through the dessert for 40 years (like MOSES). Take all of your little minions with you. Maybe you can part the North Pacific and escape to the Promised Land of China

  4. The “Free State Project” and “Free Keeners” are a bunch of IGNORANT, NARCISSISTIC ASSHOLES!

    Bill, did it really take you a few months to come to that conclusion? Why on earth, and I mean this sincerely, did it take you that long? Did they EVER give you any reason to believe otherwise? I'm not joking. Why would you think they aren't a bunch of IGNORANT, NARCISSISTIC ASSHOLES?

  5. I guess I'm just a cockeyed optimist. I kept telling myself that NOBODY could actually be that delusional. I should have trusted my gut…….

  6. Thank You Ian, for opening my eyes to what should have been obvious from the start!

  7. Better than what the schools do. I don't see you attacking them, so I presume you're just a hypocrite.

    It's interesting to see how prejudice distorts your thinking. Ian mentions those who inspire him – those he clearly thinks of as the originators of an ideal that he hopes to live up to – and you say that he is comparing himself to Jesus, et al.

    If he hadn't mentioned them, I presume you would have attacked him, accusing him of claiming to have originated the idea of civil disobedience by not giving credit?

    "Look at that lazy Negro, standing there while that old woman tries to cross that street" -or- "look at that Negro, helping that old woman across the street, just to try and influence her about his Race." No matter what, those who are prejudiced will distort reality and see what matches their own prejudices.

  8. And Maineshark, caster of stones, what, pray tell, are YOUR prejudices?

  9. What lazy Negro are we refering to here? I know several,and they are nice folks that would gladly help old ladies across the street,from either side,without trying to influence them in a racially positive manner. I have never heard either Jesus or Ian being accused of similar behavior.Much like the Bill with the extra 'L' (and capital B-very nice!) I also tried giving the benefit of the doubt to the group,and actually felt they were able to improve their methods to where they could do some actual good.I also thought no-one could be that delusional. There are many good ideas posted,mostly on the forum where Maineshark usually posts.But actions speak louder than words,and their have been some rather doubtful actions. —bil

  10. Prejudices are irrational. Being a rationalist, I do not harbor such. My beliefs are based upon my observations of reality. I do not observe reality and then insist that it conform to my existing beliefs.

  11. Great. Then you are the perfect one to cast the first stone.

    What a pompous, arrogant, delusional, full of shit windbag. You are a perfect spokesman for the group in Ian Lessthanfreeman's absence.

  12. Hey bil, I'll trade you a cookie and a beer for that book on spelling and grammer 😉

  13. "marijuana isn't addictive"

    Of course it is. But that isn't really the point I'm making. The point is, (that freestaters conveniently dance around through justifications), is that it isn't ANY persons place to offer a single solitary thing to a child that involves substances of any sort . I mean come on now…..these fools yelling at middle schoolers that school sucks and offering dope to 15 year olds? What's next….NAMBLA recruiting? It would be funny if it wasn't so TRAGIC. But you keep hanging your hat on your beliefs, just be prepared to watch the freestate movement continue to spin it's bald tires in the mud.

  14. Civil disobedience and the legal process are for cowards, Hippies, Liberals or all three. We the people have the right to abolish awry government.

  15. @Big Confederate Daddy.

    If quote "Civil disobedience and the legal process are for cowards" .

    What do you do that is "courageous". besides,of course, the courageous act of casting aspersions from behind your computer at home .

    Please,"Big Confederate Daddy" tell us what YOU DO that isn't "cowardly" that we may emulate it.

  16. @David: I find it amusing that you think someone claiming basic functioning is "arrogant" (etc.). I can also walk and chew gum at the same time. The fact that you think someone who can perform basic functions is arrogant for mentioning that, shows just how deficient you are.

    @matt: no, it's not. Addiction involves measurable, neurochemical effects within the brain, creating a "need" for the substance, and withdrawal symptoms if the substance is removed. Caffeine is addictive. Alcohol is addictive. Nicotine is addictive. Heroin is addictive. Marijuana is not. It creates no chemical dependency. There's no withdrawal if you stop using it.

    "The point is, (that freestaters conveniently dance around through justifications), is that it isn’t ANY persons place to offer a single solitary thing to a child that involves substances of any sort."

    Really? So, if there's a thirsty child, they should deny him water? If there's a hungry child, they should deny him food? Those are "substances." However, despite your inaccurate statement, I'm presuming that your intent was drugs, right? So, if a child is in pain, no analgesics for him? Sorry, kid, I see that you were just stung by a bee, and aren't breathing, but I can't give you a shot from this epi-pen, here, because that's a drug…

    No, let me guess… you're going to define it based solely upon legality, with no concern for actual science and the actual safety of the "substances" in question, right? Which will just go to show that you are acting based upon prejudice, not rational thought.

  17. @david-keene: Realize the evil ways and transgressions of the government. Network, prepare and train for the best opportunity to transgress back.

  18. I knew it. As predictable as an Archie comic book. *insert whining voice* – really…if a child is thirsty or hungry or in pain…….waa waa blah blah blah. You stupid fucks have to always take it to the other level…twist it up to make it look like a neatly wrapped present….as if handing drugs to a kid was somehow nice and thoughtful. Are you fucking kidding me? If you think it is perfectly acceptable for a grown ass adult to hand off dope to a KID, you should all be thrown in the clink as far as I am concerned. If free keene advocates such a completely inappropriate and dangerous act as that – you can always count on my opposition and fervent complaining mouth to make sure you all get to practice your cursive skills like Ian did in his "I Love Me" blog – by spending as much time away from the decent people of Keene – and a little more time biting Bubba's pillow. Nice cut and paste on the marijuana lecture though Professor NORML. It sounded soooo high tech, like all High Times articles. Funny, of all my friends who smoke dope, I don't recall a single day where they haven't been jonesing for their buzz – i guess they just really really enjoy it. Nothing to do with addiction I'm sure…LOL. I don't smoke anything – and I don't want my kids to either – because RING A DING A LING – smoking is NOT GOOD FOR YOU. Are you really that stupid that you think it is okay to give kids that require inhaling smoke? Really?

  19. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12943018

    J Abnorm Psychol. 2003 Aug;112(3):393-402.

    The time course and significance of cannabis withdrawal.

    Budney AJ, Moore BA, Vandrey RG, Hughes JR.

    Source

    Department of Psychiatry, University of Vermont, South Burlington 05403, USA. abudney@zoo.uvm.edu

    Abstract

    Withdrawal symptoms following cessation of heavy cannabis (marijuana) use have been reported, yet their time course and clinical importance have not been established. A 50-day outpatient study assessed 18 marijuana users during a 5-day smoking-as-usual phase followed by a 45-day abstinence phase. Parallel assessment of 12 ex-users was obtained. A withdrawal pattern was observed for aggression, anger, anxiety, decreased appetite, decreased body weight, irritability, restlessness, shakiness, sleep problems, and stomach pain. Onset typically occurred between Days 1-3, peak effects between Days 2-6, and most effects lasted 4-14 days. The magnitude and time course of these effects appeared comparable to tobacco and other withdrawal syndromes. These effects likely contribute to the development of dependence and difficulty stopping use. Criteria for cannabis withdrawal are proposed.

    PMID: 12943018 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10090647

    Psychopharmacology (Berl). 1999 Feb;141(4):395-404.

    Abstinence symptoms following smoked marijuana in humans.

    Haney M, Ward AS, Comer SD, Foltin RW, Fischman MW.

    Source

    New York State Psychiatric Institute and Department of Psychiatry, College of Physicians and Surgeons of Columbia University, NY 10032, USA. mh235@columbia.edu

    Abstract

    Symptoms of withdrawal after oral delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) administration have been reported, yet little is known about the development of dependence on smoked marijuana in humans. In a 21-day residential study, marijuana smokers (n = 12) worked on five psychomotor tasks during the day (0915-1700 hours), and in the evening engaged in recreational activities (1700-2330 hours); subjective-effects measures were completed 10 times/day. Food and beverages were available ad libitum from 0830 to 2330 hours. Marijuana cigarettes (0.0, 1.8, 3.1% THC) were smoked at 1000, 1400, 1800, and 2200 hours. Placebo marijuana was administered on days 1-4 . One of the active marijuana doses was administered on days 5-8, followed by 4 days of placebo marijuana (days 9-12). The other concentration of active marijuana cigarettes was administered on days 13-16, followed by 4 days of placebo marijuana (days 17-20); the order in which the high and low THC-concentration marijuana cigarettes were administered was counter-balanced between groups. Both active doses of marijuana increased ratings of "High," and "Good Drug Effect," and increased food intake, while decreasing verbal interaction compared to the placebo baseline (days 1-4). Abstinence from active marijuana increased ratings such as "Anxious," "Irritable," and "Stomach pain," and significantly decreased food intake compared to baseline. This empirical demonstration of withdrawal from smoked marijuana may suggest that daily marijuana use may be maintained, at least in part, by the alleviation of abstinence symptoms.

    PMID: 10090647 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]

  20. "I don’t smoke anything – and I don’t want my kids to either – because RING A DING A LING – smoking is NOT GOOD FOR YOU. Are you really that stupid that you think it is okay to give kids that require inhaling smoke? Really?"

    You are right. Vaping is much better than smoking. I

  21. Maineshark, you need a mirror. Take a good long look. Keep looking till one of two things happens. Either you realize what the fuck is wrong with you, or you start levitating. Get back to us with the results, but not before you can report one or the other.

  22. Matt : quote

    "I knew it. As predictable as an Archie comic book. *insert whining voice* – really…if a child is thirsty or hungry or in pain…….waa waa blah blah blah. You stupid fucks ha"ve to always take it to t"…

    Matt = TROLL

  23. David-Keene = APOLOGIST FOR CHILD ABUSE

    How's the conjugal visits coming along?

  24. @Matt,

    I dont read all your stuff (fyi)

    Generally the first paragraph (as posted) is all I need to know about you.

    Because you are a caustic troll.

    🙂

    And I won't be reading any ,

    soon..

  25. Offering pot to 10th graders is not appropriate behavior.

    I do support more liberty, and believe civil disobedience can be one effective tool for achieving it. While the courage shown by civil disobedients is laudable, however, I think a large part of the civil disobedience in Keene has not been well chosen or implemented.

    I think one flaw in the predominant thinking is indicated by Ian's "did Gandhi take a poll" comments. Civil disobedience absolutely has to be calculated to help effect positive change — and the public perception of said disobedience is a vital part of that.

    One early civil disobedient in NH gave an unlicenced manicure in front of the licencing board office, for example. It's easy to see why this type of action garnered a very positive response from a very large number of people, and therefore led to positive results.

    To act with indifference to the public perception of your behavior is to risk behaving in ways that are not productive, or even counterproductive.

  26. Greater liberty will not occur until a large majority of people support more liberty — and if a large majority of people support more liberty, such change is inevitable.

    If changing hearts and minds is the goal, then, it would be wise to choose actions which are likely to help achieve that goal.

    Furthermore, liberty is possible to the extent that people can display consideration and tolerance for others. People must desire for other people to be able to live out their lifestyles, even if they do not personally share those preferences.

    The example of offering pot to a 10th grader illustrates this. His/her parents very likely do not approve of pot use. To the parents of that young person, offering them pot is impinging on their family's ability to live according to their beliefs and preferences.

    We need a society not only where the choices of those who choose to use pot are respected by those who believe it is damaging, but where the choices of those who believe it is damaging are respected by those who choose to use it.

    We can live peacefully as a diverse society — but we all must recognize that we cannot, and should not, seek to make everyone else share our preferences and values — either by force, or nonviolent strife and confrontation.

  27. I agree with NH Native…

    The original group of "Keeniacs" described in Ian's letter focused most of the effort towards the feds… the IRS etc. We often would get honks and waves even from the KPD individual officers.

    I keep being reminded of the Pink Floyd lyric,

    "Well you wore out your welcome with random precision…"

    Backing some of the goofier individuals Civil Disobedience, made enemies that were unnecessary.

    All this being said, I think I was surprised and shocked at the level of corruption, arrogance and entrenched evil that even a decent small city such as Keene has. It is an illustration of how damaged our "justice system" has been allowed to become. How our "servants" have been allowed to behave as our masters.

    To the hating trolls that post here, I contend that you are unaware of most of what goes on. Until your friends are subjected to the abuse, you won't believe how bad it can be. Show by example how to do it more effectively, instead of sniping from the sidelines.

    To conclude, thanks to Ian for acknowledging the efforts and sacrifices of the early activists that made Keene a hot spot… and thanks for his and others of the next wave for their efforts.

    It had to start somewhere, it had to start with something… it is at times flawed, no course can be perfectly plotted and the ones that insist on perfection are the ones that create procrastination.

  28. david-keene – I'll believe you don't read what I write when you stop responding to each and every one. The least you could do is challenge me a little bit; you're so easy my little puppet. Keep practicing your rectal kegels.

    NH Native – I think you wrote that well

  29. David-it's a deal on the book,but make it a non-alcohol beer! None off the taste,all of the price…

    matt-congrats on the big promotion to 'caustic' troll! I am thinking it is something like getting the iron Cross,but just a internet version.

    While I am not against a person smoking pot or anything else they feel like (remember banana skins,from the 60s?) I certainly do not think you should be offering it to school kids. That is what other kids are doing. Not a job for alleged grownups. An exception might be if you offered it when their parents are there,so you can get the benefit of their reaction.

    For a group that espouses individual freedom,it seems there is no problem taking away the freedom of parents to raise their own children. And any kid smart enough to understand the faults of the current education usually doesn't need them pointed out.

    @ Tom Sawyer-I find it hard to believe you are 'surprised and shocked' at the way local government works.Where have you been,man??? —bil

  30. Yawn.

    Good dancing, by the Statists.

    The fact is, that the drugs you /do/ give your children are far more dangerous than the drugs that you /claim/ might have possibly been offered to children.

    Tylenol is one of the most dangerous drugs ever produced. How many of you have given Tylenol to your children? How many of you keep it around? The results of a Tylenol overdose are far worse than nearly any other drug, and the toxic dose is so closed to the effective dose that overdoses are quite easy to get. It's many times more dangerous than even risky drugs like heroin. But you'll keep it around, and buy it at the store.

    And you'll let the government medicate your children with Ritalin and other crud; dangerous, highly-addictive drugs that serve less legitimate purpose even than recreation. But you're okay with that.

    Hypocrisy must taste good to you, eh?

  31. I am fully aware of the risks of Tylenol-you won't find it at my house. No kids on meds,either.Any others,if there is no natural alternative,I study carefully before I use anything.Generally to the apothecary in Keene,George knows his stuff.

    Haven't seen that Hypocracy stuff on the shelves yet. Most things that taste good aren't all that good for you-this sounds like one of them. My kids are grown up now,I showed them how to look into things,what they do is up to them.

  32. @matt

    I've yet to respond to a concern you described at a prior blog post but intend to now. I recall you described how your daughter felt terrified to walk home because of the activists talking into bullhorns while doing outreach at the school. You asked if I think it is trivial. No I don't. I think it is really unfortunate and wish that hadn't happened. I sense that regardless of what I say, you will disbelieve in my sincerity, but I intend to express my thoughts on the issue and I'm glad you brought it up.

    While I consider it unfortunate that your daughter felt frightened by the activists, consider the following:

    Presumably no one intended to harm or frighten any other with the activism, and had they thought it would cause such a reaction, likely would have chosen not to.

    People react differently to their environment and the actions of others. I don't discount the sincere fear that you describe but suggest that it's impossible to know how people will react to a given action. I'd be curious to know if other individuals felt similarly.

    You asked if I've watched the video. I haven't seen a video with activists using the bullhorn so I cannot comment on that.

  33. Matt and others: At what age ought an individual be permitted to make choices? 16, 18, 21? And on what do you base this opinion?

    I personally believe individuals ought to have maximum choice in how they live their lives. I don't believe it is all right to restrict another individuals choices for reasons such as their own good, or the common good. I believe individuals are capable of making those choices without interference and that such is preferable. It's when people attempt to control each other through laws and oppressive mores that there are unintended consequences, that cause harm and retard natural progression

    NH Native wrote "The example of offering pot to a 10th grader illustrates this. His/her parents very likely do not approve of pot use. To the parents of that young person, offering them pot is impinging on their family’s ability to live according to their beliefs and preferences."

    Although I find agreement with most of what you wrote, I find this statement curious. If the young individual desires to use cannabis, but their parents reject, how can it be that they are acting collectively as a family. In this instance, it seems that the parents are using force to negate the choice of the individual. In what way can that be justified?

    It seems that a large segment of people believe the youth have no right to be autonomous and make choices for themselves, and that force must be used to control their actions so they don't make the wrong decisions. That attitude is false because there is no right way to live: implicit in the variation of values held by different individuals. In other words, people are not your property, and in an ethical society, the right to choose is supreme.

  34. @Matt,

    I read your post …yes I won't be reading your posts anymore… your last post:"The least you could do is challenge me a little bit; you’re so easy my little puppet. Keep practicing your rectal kegels. "

    I respond to serious mature people that I can take seriously, not silly nonsense like that.

    I took a chance and read your lst post…I won't be polluting my mind with your stuff anymore

  35. Maine Shark: "but you're okay with that" –

    Sorry to inform you, but if that entire lesson on Tylenol was for me, you've wasted your time. My kids were all born at the hands of a midwife. Their primary care physician is a naturopath in Brattleboro – Dr. Mary Bove. But if you think I'm a good dancer, you must be a professional, because somehow you have managed to elude the issue I raised – which is adults handing marijuana to kids. How you feel a tylenol is even remotely close is bizarre, especially since you're first dance implied you would give medicine to a sick child…lol. You still haven't answered the question – do you really feel it is okay to walk up to a child and give them marijuana? Do you? Spare me the webmd stats – I know how to search for info if I need it. What about sexual relations? No one ever got killed from sex, but are you going to try and convince me it's okay to get a little with a 15 year old too? Feel free to answer the QUESTION.

  36. Ryan – I appreciate your sincere comment; you raise some good points.

    But first – yes – one of my daughters was scared silly and was very confused by who or what some of the people were trying to accomplish with the yelling and screaming with the whole "school sucks" stuff – she is one of those children who happens to love school and studying. But there were other times, and was in the area when one of the people were getting arrested at the square and this guy is literally in the cops face screaming at the top of his lungs "Pig". There is a video on it – I think ridleyreport has it somewhere. Believe me, parents were definitely not impressed with the demonstration outside of school. I think the principal had more calls that day and the day after than all of the whole year combined. lol

    I think kids should be able to make choices naturally – but some things I don't think they are ready for – and each kid is at a different point developmentally. One of my neighbor's children is mentally challenged – you wouldn't know it right off the bat – so….if she was given marijuana – or some other drug that the person likes to think is perfectly safe, I would consider such action abuse. If a kid wants to use it, they probably are anyways – but as a parent, it has been my personal choice to parent as I deem fit, and that is to encourage using one's brain, learning about things before indulging in them and being a good person. It makes me angry all it takes is two minutes for some skanker to capitalize on pressure and destroy what many people work hard at accomplishing as a parent.

    I think it's easy to get around this issue though….basically – leave kids alone. If an adult wants to smoke pot, I don't really care; there is no reason though to push it or advocate it if a person isn't asking for it. I mean come on….15 years old…?…that is ridiculous.

  37. david-keene. "I won’t be reading your posts anymore. I won’t be polluting my mind with your stuff anymore"

    Aw nuts, and I really was starting to care. But – eh…good news for me I guess. Personally, I don't think you can resist replying, and I definitely know you'll be reading – and whether or not you do or you don't, has no bearing on my existence whatsoever.

  38. This is my favorite "Ian blog from jail" which is surprising because it's like the longest and I'm not partial to long(usually)

  39. "it’s like the longest and I’m not partial to long(usually)"

    LOL. Astro glide can help with that.

  40. Astroglide works for long hard reading?

    Hey bil, forget the book on spelling and grammer, I'm getting some Astroglide!

  41. Maybe he meant he doesn't like alot of girth? Poor old sphincter.

  42. Mm.

  43. Sounds like david-keene found the Astroglide! Mmmmm After a while,even the spelling book will fit….

    Like a moth drawn to the flame,david-keene continually resists reading and posting,yet always loses to his basic instinct.The flame forces him in,where he is burned and withdraws,vowing not to return.Yet in the back of his mind,the flame beckons………

    As far as an age where an individual is ready to make their own WISE choices,it varies.To allow maximum freedom,lets put the medicine cabinet at floor level,maybe under the sink with the Ajax.That way even babies can decide their future.Usually parents are more aware of their own childs maturity level,and would prefer it not be judged by someone with a bullhorn outside their school.Personally,I would feel that was an agression against my family,and would reach accordingly. —bil

  44. So, Matt, you are saying that you know how dangerous these drugs are, and yet you still support the biggest "pushers" around? I at least gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you were ignorant. But you, apparently, support folks who push drugs on children, and do so knowingly.

    I don't necessarily think that offering a very mild drug like marijuana to children is a good thing (assuming it even happened – I have no interest in debating that, so I'll just give you the benefit and assume it did). But it pales in comparison to the dangerous, highly-addictive drugs that your beloved government pushes onto children every day. As I said, you're a hypocrite.

    As far as sex, the age of consent in NH is 16. The age of consent in other US states varies from 12, in some cases, up to 18. No rational individual could say that crossing an arbitrary line on a map suddenly grants or removes the innate capacity to consent. Nor could a rational individual claim that someone who is 15 years and 364 days old is incapable of consent, and someone two days older is mystically endowed with the complete ability to consent to all sexual activity, without limit.

    Having sex with someone who doesn't consent – either by direct refusal, or by being too immature to consent – is rape. If someone is 30, but has severe mental limitations which preclude consent, it's still rape. If someone is 15, and extremely mature, it's not. No rational society would decide such cases by declaring arbitrary ages; in any case where the accusation is made that someone was incapable of consent, evidence should be presented to establish such. It's a simple thing to do, and precludes many miscarriages of justice, in each direction (there are plenty of 16-year-olds who are not actually capable of giving informed consent, who are currently being victimized).

  45. How on earth have you managed to twist this into things I support? LOL. "My" beloved government – is also "your" beloved government – where have I outlined anything that states I support thins such as Ritalin, or that PRIVATE corporations manufacture Tylenol? I just told you – my kids take herbal remedies ya dolt – they've never graced the inside of a mainstream Doctor's office. You may have just assumed I am ignorant, but I have never questioned yours. Fatal flaw on your part?

    You're every bit a part of the hypocrisy as long as you live here. You can type from your high horse great works of art on free internet forums all day, but every time you buy a pack of gum or a gallon of gas – you are contributing to the hypocrisy of taxes you claim others fall prey to.

    I wonder which paragraph I just wrote you'll focus on next in your retort. Smart money says number 2.

  46. Five bucks says you are right! —bil

  47. No twisting involved. You want to rant on about how evil others are, for (supposedly) /offering/ kids a minor intoxicant, while you support a system that /forces/ kids to take dangerous, highly-addictive drugs.

    It ain't my government. Victims of mugging are not responsible for supporting the mugger.

    But you voluntarily support it. And, since you support it, you support everything it does. Can't be a little bit pregnant.

  48. Help! Help! I'm a victim.

    What a fucking loser you are maineshark.

    Like I said before, get a mirror. You need some help.

  49. You have still yet to make some kind of logical explanation on how it is I support a system that forces kids to take dangerous drugs – and that you are somehow able to hide behind the blinds and pretend you're righteous and of absolute NO part of it. LOL. Do explain – my ignorant mind wants to know.

  50. also,matt,bil,David.

    (more info on defining a troll)

    A troll is to be given no credence ,hence the phrase "don't feed the trolls"

    That means don't encourage the trolls.

    What happens when you "don't feed" something like a varmint that' pestering your chickens or whatever.

    Or a Infestation of bugs : don't "feed" it and it dies (or in this case goes away.).

    SEE.

    But I'm feeding youse and we know you trolls are DESPERATE to be fed.

    BYE

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