Ron Paul spoke tonight at Keene State College, and as is being reported nationally, was “mic checked” by Occupy Keene at the end of his speech. The occupiers said:
“We are the 99%! We will be heard! There are criminals on Wall Street who walk free, there are protesters in jail…There’s something wrong with this system. We are the 99%! We will be heard!”
He handled it graciously by smiling throughout and then by asking them if they feel better. He was also sure to point out his agreement with the Occupy Wall St. movement, saying,
“I’m very much involved with the 99. I’ve been condemning the 1%…the people on Wall street got the bailouts and you guys got stuck with the bill and I think that’s where the problem is.”
Here’s video of the Mic Check and Ron’s response, courtesy of Nick Ryder:
Idiot protesters. They condemn the bailouts, but want to give more power to the same entities that provide bailouts and pick winners and losers in the economy.
Well, that about ends whats left of my support of "Occupy Keene"
whys that steve
What Ron Paul doesn't seem to understand is that the reason the government is so "big" is because businesses want it to be that way. Oh wait, you will say, RP and Lew Rockwell and Stefan Molyneux all tell me that businesses absolutely love the free market and want to do everything they can to make sure the market is 100% free! Totally wrong. A lot of businesses have an incentive to keep the state as it is and would put up with a little bit of taxes and regulations if they had a state to ensure protection of property,… Read more »
Like I tried to *TELL* you guys, "Craig" – the guy in the red jacket, who was leading the "occupy mic check" – is a FUCKING *F.B.I.*/ HOMELAND*SECURITY agent provocateur… I thought it was RUDE, DISRESPECTFUL, INAPPROPRIATE, and just plain wrong… Ron Paul is about the ONLY candidate who is *AUDIT*THE*FED*… He's the only REAL*FRIEND "occupy" has, and they want to piss on his brief time in Keene…I bet you *FREEWEENIES* *LOVE* "Craig", doncha???… Yes, he's from *TEXAS*…. Will you finally *GET*IT*, if I actually shove it up your asses???… 🙁 Ron Paul looks as good in person, as he… Read more »
I'm not really a fan of the title. I don't think Ron Paul supports all or what Occupy Wall Street is about. I don' think he supports crapping on police cars, taking food from homeless people, taking showers meant for homeless people, killing people, raping people, unions shutting down street, forcing fruit to rot and so on.
He does understand that the bailouts were designed to punish the vast majority of folks for the mistakes of a tiny minority of folks though. I understand that you want to sensationalize and all, though. This is blogging, after all 🙂
anybody knows this quote "I don’ think he supports crapping on police cars, taking food from homeless people, taking showers meant for homeless people, killing people, raping people, unions shutting down street, forcing fruit to rot and so on."
Is not what occupy is "about" and much of that quote is anomalies, that get perpetrated or perpetuated,or both, by those that are agents of the one percent ,who may or may not know they are agents of the 1%.
imo
"RP and Lew Rockwell and Stefan Molyneux all tell me that businesses absolutely love the free market and want to do everything they can to make sure the market is 100% free!"
This is totally untrue. Can you prove this Julia?
Well Talley, they certainly imply it.
If not, why would they imply that the free market is such a wonderful thing if they knew how unpopular it would be if it could ever exist?
Ron Paul supports occupy? Just stupidity on a larger scale. Hence we will never be POTUS. Neo-libertarianism = anarchy in the textbook definition. FSP good job at splitting the Conservative vote, get ready for 4 more years Obama. Well done!
Off to troll land, hows that new policy working for ya?
Julia, at the speech today, Ron Paul spoke about some of the problems of freedom. He explain there are problems with freedom and everything is perfect.
Keith, what kinds of things did he say exactly?
Julia likes to get people answering her questions. Here is a question for Julia; How will you get rid of capitalism, violence or the state, but then I repeat myself.
Tom, you have to use some kind of violence to end the state. There's no way people in power are going to step down voluntarily. Even if you manage to sell off the power of the state to private companies, a monopoly on violence and social hierarchy will still exist. Did you read my recent blog post? An ex-keeniac told me why he thinks FK are the epitome of white privilege, simply because if they were as oppressed as others are in the system (blacks, immigrants, the working poor, etc.) there's no way they'd take up a "non-aggression principle" and… Read more »
"An ex-keeniac told me why he thinks FK are the epitome of white privilege, simply because if they were as oppressed as others are in the system (blacks, immigrants, the working poor, etc.) there’s no way they’d take up a “non-aggression principle” and condemn anyone who desires to truly resist."
Only a neo-Marxist would make such a statement. That is such a tired comment, straight out of sixties. You'd be better off inventing a time machine and joining the SDS.
Live Free or Die. Marxists be gone.
"Only a neo-Marxist would make such a statement. That is such a tired comment, straight out of sixties. You’d be better off inventing a time machine and joining the SDS.
Live Free or Die. Marxists be gone."
I'm an anarchist, dude, and a pro-market one (mutualist) at that.
I can't imagine what *would* end up happening if FK was mostly made up of people of color. Chances are, there's no way they'd be given month-long jail sentences for sitting on a police car; they would have been shot by the cops like Oscar Grant.
"I can’t imagine what *would* end up happening if FK was mostly made up of people of color. Chances are, there’s no way they’d be given month-long jail sentences for sitting on a police car; they would have been shot by the cops like Oscar Grant." Yeah, because blacks get shot for sitting on cop cars all the time. They;re so oppressed by "the system". The same system that hires them at disproportionally higher rates than whites, awards them state privileges based on the color of their skin, the same system that that awards them with graft, handouts, and do-nothing… Read more »
I still don’t understand why Free Staters would want to align themselves with a group which is fighting to break down the very neo-capitalist/free market/tax free utopia the FSM supports…
Can anyone explain?
"They;re so oppressed by “the system”. The same system that hires them at disproportionally higher rates than whites, awards them state privileges based on the color of their skin, the same system that that awards them with graft, handouts, and do-nothing jobs because they are loyal Democratic machine voters."
Which is why black poverty rates are much higher, etc. etc. I take it "Anarcho Jesse" was right when he pointed out the elements of racism in the FSP.
"… but you are a Red."
Anarchists have always been socialists. Always. Even Spooner opposed the wage system.
"Anarchists have always been socialists. Always. Even Spooner opposed the wage system."
No. That is ridiculous. Reds are good at exploiting language and using double speak. But you cant invent new definitions for words as you will.
Anarchy is a fools errand. But it is distinct from socialism. Reds use anarchists to tear down the existing order, then toss them aside like a used tampon.
Their end like the end of the OWS is a statist society. Socialists are the ultimate statists. Anarchists who aid them are dupes.
"Which is why black poverty rates are much higher, etc. etc. I take it “Anarcho Jesse” was right when he pointed out the elements of racism in the FSP." Spoken like a true red liberal. Maybe their poverty rates are higher because they were born and raised on the government plantation. As a culture, they've become a dependent class. People born into a culture of welfare are more likely to likely to live a culture of dependency. Growing up in the welfare system and looking at the government as your main protector and benefactor, like the socialists want, is no… Read more »
…anyone?
"People born into a culture of welfare are more likely to likely to live a culture of dependency."
I'd also say that about the children of the uber-wealthy, like 95% of the people living in Windham.
“People born into a culture of welfare are more likely to likely to live a culture of dependency.”
I’d also say that about the children of the uber-wealthy, like 95% of the people living in Windham.
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What parents give their kids is not my problem. What the state steals from me to give to others because they deemed them members of a privileged class, so those people can grow up wards of the state is my problem.
SY or Julia,
Do you have any insight regarding my question?
"What Ron Paul doesn’t seem to understand is that the reason the government is so “big” is because businesses want it to be that way." Um, ever ask WHY lobbyists & corporatists FLOCK to DC? A bit kindergarteny, but if you're gonna raise issues founded on childish logic, it deserves an equally simple, though nevertheless true reality: because that's where power to redistribute stolen money lies. What did Willie Sutton say when asked why he robbed banks for a living? "Because that's where they keep the money!" Oh Julia, Julia, Julia. "Oh wait, you will say, RP and Lew Rockwell… Read more »
"So much cognitive dissonance so little time."
Wouldn't you consider it cognitively dissonant to align yourself with a cause which is trying to break down the very system you promote, as many Free Staters/libertarians seem to be doing by joining the OWS movement?
Wall Street has been hijacked by socialists.
Move along here.
Julia wrote: "What Ron Paul doesn’t seem to understand is that the reason the government is so “big” is because businesses want it to be that way." I agree with your concept that businesses want a big government that will grant them privileges. Where I disagree is your comment that Ron Paul doesn't understand. Don't you agree that most large corporations would like to continue the current status quo, as opposed to a Ron Paul presidency which would have zero subsidies, and less regulations. At first glance, less regulations sound bad. If you actually look at most regulations, you will… Read more »
Nelson, I see you haven't responded to my overall argument about businesses wanting to keep a state. If the FSP were to do away with the state tomorrow in NH, businesses (both larger and smaller) would just bring it back, because they'd have every incentive to.
Having a state enables you to secure monopolies, which in turn results in large amounts of profit for you. Since we live in a profit-driven system, grabbing hold of these monopolies is extremely desirable. You can only manipulate the market for so long.
"How will you get rid of capitalism, violence or the state, but then I repeat myself." – Tom Sawyer.
Great quote Tom. A lot of people don't realize that the state is violence. It is absurd that OWS would support a state that pepper sprays their faces and steals their money through the federal reserve and then they go and say that state needs more of our money.
Were the Occupy folks supporting or rejecting Paul? Did they agree or disagree with any of his policies? I think this is why Occupy must fizzle: they have made it clear that they are mad, and that they have enough numbers to be heard, but they almost purposefully refuse to take any positive stances. They spew distrust and hatred for certain groups, and think "group strength" is important. They ignore Human Action – both the economics of the Austrians, but also the recognition that the human actions of stealing, forcing, and taxing are the evils in society, not groups and… Read more »
So Julia, your former Keeniac example is Anarcho Jesse, or Corey or whatever other alias he's using… hahaha
As to using violence to defeat the most powerful country in the history of man… hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Violence grows the state. The only successes in the last 50 years have been non-violent.
People advocating violence are a threat to the effort. Both in a tactical sense, they are often agents provocateurs… and in a strategic sense, the destruction of everyone's efforts to this point.
REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=82…
Julia on Tue, 22nd Nov 2011 8:51 am Nelson, I see you haven’t responded to my overall argument about businesses wanting to keep a state. If the FSP were to do away with the state tomorrow in NH, businesses (both larger and smaller) would just bring it back, because they’d have every incentive to. Having a state enables you to secure monopolies, which in turn results in large amounts of profit for you. Since we live in a profit-driven system, grabbing hold of these monopolies is extremely desirable. You can only manipulate the market for so long. (1) The FSP… Read more »
"The only successes in the last 50 years have been non-violent."
Complete bullshit. Ever read Peter Gelderloos' book "How Nonviolence Protects the State"? He debunks the notion that the revolutions in India, the civil rights movements, etc. etc. succeeded because of non-violence. On the contrary, the only reason why you had a Gandhi or MLK was due to all the violence (like riots) which came before.
Julia: In reply to your earlier post (I dont have time to read it all, sorry); AnCap is actually anti-business. Businesses want to quell competition, and use state violence to achieve this. To associate Libertarianism, classical liberalism, or anCap with "pro-business" because it rejects state intervention and regulation as immoral, is a false dichotomy, and does not give enough credit to the millions of man-hours spent developing their core principles. Those philosophies are actually pro-consumer more than anything else, which is diametrically opposed to the concept of "pro-business". Anyone with a working knowledge of those philosophies will be able to… Read more »
"Voluntarists recognize that they must change culture a bit before violent methods of wealth creation become obsolete, you’re not introducing anything by saying “the state would come back”."
How exactly do voluntaryists plan on changing the culture?
Andy: so why then would anyone in business *want* an "an"-cap system to begin with, especially when such heavy competition in the society would entail that a lot of people would lose out?
Corporatism =/= Capitalism. People bashing capitalism because of government bailouts and crap are showing their ignorance (but hey, the whole Occupy movement is based on ignorance). That's corporatism. Capitalism doesn't bail people out. If you screw up, you fail, and someone else comes to take your place. That's the way it works. Without the government safety net, companies would have to make smarter investments, which would lead to a more stable economy. That's what a truly free market would bring. But go on, keep preaching your hate for all businesses and capitalism, while whining that you don't have a job.… Read more »
Of course many major banks and corporations love the state — precisely because it does enforce monopolies for them, subsidize them, etc. Some businesses would like the free market — your local mom&pop store, that can't afford an army of lawyers and lobbyists would do better. Julia, if you think folks in the liberty movement think Goldman Sachs, Monsanto, etc, want a free market, you're not hearing. Here's Tom Woods and Molyneux talking about just this issue, starting at 4:12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXNOxnn7_uA Woods quotes alfred j nock, pointing out that actual free competition and trade is the very last thing most… Read more »
Now, if you want to take the property of business owners, which you've indicated on occasion, I absolutely oppose that, Julia, and I would help fund their protection.
The corporatist subsidies, protection of monopolies, bailouts, regulatory protection, IP abuse (e.g. Monsanto), free money from the federal reserve, corporate personhood, CEO protection from shareholders, etc, all need to go — and you're completely right that this is the last thing most major corporations and banks want.
Julie, Ron Paul does indeed recognize that big business colludes with big government, to their mutual advantage. You seriously need to do some reading of his books such as "Liberty Defined", "End the Fed", and "Revolution: A Manifesto" – or just take my word for it, as I have read all three. When Ron Paul speaks of smaller government, he doesn't propose tiny cuts in the increases in future spending; he proposes a $1 trillion cut the first year, and that's just for starters. He and Gary Johnson are the only candidates (to my knowledge) to propose deep cuts in… Read more »
Julia, you ask, "How exactly do voluntaryists plan on changing the culture?" I plan to talk to my neighbors, and try to convince them that more freedom, and less agression/coersion is the answer. You ask, "why then would anyone in business *want* an “an”-cap system to begin with, especially when such heavy competition in the society would entail that a lot of people would lose out?" Most small businesses would do just fine — or even better. Not all businesses are the same. Most state intervention is an enormous net harm to almost everyone — only a small percentage (including… Read more »
"Of course many major banks and corporations love the state — precisely because it does enforce monopolies for them, subsidize them, etc. Some businesses would like the free market — your local mom&pop store, that can’t afford an army of lawyers and lobbyists would do better. Julia, if you think folks in the liberty movement think Goldman Sachs, Monsanto, etc, want a free market, you’re not hearing." Sorry, but the whole self-employed artisan thing is long dead. You sound like you're insisting on going back to a 1776-style economic model which just can't work with our 2011 economy. How would… Read more »
"I plan to talk to my neighbors, and try to convince them that more freedom, and less agression/coersion is the answer."
Okay, good start. But there's a ton of people who – as I've been saying – have financial motives to keep society unfree. How would you convince someone who makes loads of $$$ off a state-enforced patent monopoly to join you in creating a stateless society?
You ask, "Sorry, but the whole self-employed artisan thing is long dead. You sound like you’re insisting on going back to a 1776-style economic model which just can’t work with our 2011 economy. How would a self-employed person be able to produce a cell phone all by him/herself? Or a car? Or a laptop?" There is a place for larger business — economics of scale is necessary in some cases. What I was trying to say is that most businesses, especially small businesses, do not benefit from the corruption, as certain large corporations like Goldman Sachs and Monsanto do. Personally,… Read more »
@Julia
Ron Paul does understand that corporations want big government. He understands and explains crony capitalism better than anyone I've seen. You have some research to do.
Did Paul or Obama respond better?
Here is Obama being Mic Checked
Sorry about that 🙂
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/president-obama-heckle…
But is it really 99%?
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/12691321/misted-o…