Right Wing Crazies & Libertarians Join In On Socialist Rally To Defund The Police With Hilarious Results

Defund the police rally in Keene, NH

A socialist led organization the NH Youth Movement has been rallying its troops across NH this past week in an effort to get cities and towns to defund their police forces. However the rally that was planned for Keene didn’t go quite as the organizers expected.

While there isn’t a significant socialist presence in New Hampshire there are plenty of socialists in surrounding states that from time to time muster up the occasional rally in NH through the busing in of left wing extremists. This is particularly easy to do in Cheshire with the county neighboring Vermont and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts being right next door plus students from out of town attending Keene State College.

A few days before the rally was to occur the Keene City Republican Committee Chair Anne L. Farrington got wind of the socialists organizing of a protest and rallied her opposition country-folk to attend a counter protest for the same time and date.

“We want to show our support for law enforcement by coming out in strength to Back the Badge! The rally will be in Central Square tomorrow from 5:30pm-8:00pm. Please join us and bring friends who support our police!”

– Anne L. Farrington

This attempt at undermining the NH Youth Movement’s protest turned out to be as hilarious as one might have anticipated. Not so much because there were people shouting back and forth, but in that it appeared that the rally attracted all of one intentional NH Youth Movement member and another five or so socialists who just happened upon the Republican’s counter-protest.

To make for an entertaining afternoon a handful of libertarians got together to join in on the fun making a few signs in advance of the event, saying things both opposing sides would theoretically agree with and disagree with at the same time, like “Defund the pigs & end socialism”. Is it a socialist protest? Is it a right wing protest? Who knows, but certainly the passerbys didn’t quite follow what was going on with all the shouting from every side and direction. Both from protesters and from passing cars alike.

After numerous conversations with the right-wing nut jobs and left wing extremists it turned out that each side had a lot in common. Both the republicans and the socialists were in favor of socialist programs, but the agenda for which programs to fund and defund were different. The young socialists wanted to see free college tuition and police dollars redistributed to other social programs like housing the homeless. The counter protesters expressed a desire to continue funding social security and the police state.

What both the left and right failed to grasp was that the money doesn’t exist to fund all of these programs. The use of violence and the state to take money from the populous only works up to a point before that theft becomes so great that it undermines the revenues that can be generated. This leads to a failure of the programs both sides are trying to fund through theft.

Now this doesn’t mean that all parties can’t get what they want, but the means by which those funds are raised must not be through the violence that is the state. The overhead of state mandated programs is significant, the inefficiencies great, and the ever increasing amounts undermining to the objectives of both sides.

When the state gets involved a significant portion of the revenues generated are eaten up by the extraction of those funds from the populous and the overhead of management- not to mention corruption. When people are left to decide for themselves by comparison individuals pick the least expensive options which deliver the maximum benefit thus reducing costs and making such services affordable. Between competing offerings individuals can afford to pay for college when competition is left to run its course, government isn’t handing out ‘free’ money, and security (policing) doesn’t cost six figures per employee. Lets end all of the social welfare programs: Police, education, health care, social security, corporate welfare, and so on, and then hand back the financial resources to the people by eliminating the taxes that make these programs perform poorly as only then will those dollars stolen be best and most efficiently utilized.

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  1. Ah, in the age of Big Tech and its censorship, its so good to see people going in person to exercise their 1st Amendment rights and engaging in lively discourse in the public central square as its been done traditionally.

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  2. What a brilliantly structured column by Mr Penguin, pointing out the absurd attitudes of the day.

  3. “Don’t tread on me, go tread on them over there” !

  4. MY desire viz z viz the police is NOT to “defund” them -directly – but to de-job them of MOST of the “laws” they are tasked to “enforce. Think if they were deprived of the pleasure of wringing our necks over mala prohibita? The sadists (most) would quit and the remaining could concentrate on doing their righteous jobs (mala in se) without distractions. Regarding my OWN effort to de-job them, the state got an extension to answer my suit (1:21-cv-00267-JL) till 25 June. To remind of what the suit looks like, go to driversfreedom dot com. Interesting that the “JL” in my suit stands for Joseph Laplante, the same guy that gave Ian the hard time over bail conditions.

  5. Another great article. It is hilarious when people in this day and age want to defend the police. All those idiots out there thinking they have the answer. Defending police will not change anything. They do a very bad job.

  6. Chris chanting “End Social Security!” was funny. According to my latest SSA statement, I’ve paid a little over $61,000 in social security taxes over my working career. I would be fine letting the government keep that money if I could opt out of social security in the future. No sense in throwing good money after bad!

  7. I like Social Security. It’s nice to know that the elderly and disabled won’t have to starve like they did during the Great Depression. The program is also a good example of how the free market failed to provide an adequate solution to a widespread societal problem.

    With respect to the protest, I am glad the crazy people on all sides were able to yell and scream at each other, leaving normal people to go about their day. Good for you all.

  8. “I like Social Security. It’s nice to know that the elderly and disabled won’t have to starve like they did during the Great Depression. ”

    That is where social security sprouts from to one degree or another, but to say there was nothing prior to this is simply untrue. There were state hospitals and a variety of ways and tools people utilized to to solve these problems. The government actually undermined the tools people had to protect themselves by passing various laws over the last hundred years or so. Back in the day people would join fraternal organizations and social clubs for the benefits that they offered and some of that included acting as a social safety net. When laws changed these clubs and social fraternal organizations and clubs lost a lot of the value they once held and a slow decline occurred.

    “The program is also a good example of how the free market failed to provide an adequate solution to a widespread societal problem. ”

    Yea, except, the government fails even worse than the free market does as solving this problem. When they take $1 you won’t even get back $0.50 worth of value. It also results in ever increasing costs. From the regulations that drive up health care costs (hospital care and drug costs mostly) to the centralizing of profits (health insurance) into the hands of individuals and the elite. If social security was so awesome government wouldn’t have to mandate it. People would simply opt into it.

    “With respect to the protest, I am glad the crazy people on all sides were able to yell and scream at each other, leaving normal people to go about their day. Good for you all.”

    Yea, the protest didn’t really accomplish anything and for the libertarians nobody actually expected it to. For us it’s just demonstrating to other like minded people that we’re here and building up a community that is beginning to change some place (New Hampshire being that place that was decide) for the better. It’s more about public relations and entertainment than anything else. It’s not going to have any direct impact on politics. The socialists and the republicans on the other hand think they can change peoples minds and that’s laughable. This is why both parties are losing seats to the libertarians. Lets be honest. We libertarians don’t own New Hampshire yet. We got a few more years and need a few more movers before we do. However we’re getting closer and closer. We got 80 libertarians in the state house. We only need another 50 or so which means we’re more than half way to having real power in the state. Not bad for a minority that makes up 3% of the population given a decade of work. Where are the republicans and democrats going to get fresh blood from? Cause nobody’s moving to NH other than the libertarians for political reasons. We got the advantage in that we’re changing the makeup of New Hampshire. We don’t even need a majority in the state, but we do need more loud mouths, and we’re getting that, which is why we’re having an impact and you hang out on libertarians forums getting upset. Maybe it’s just time to leave the state for what you see as greener pastures.

  9. “That is where social security sprouts from to one degree or another, but to say there was nothing prior to this is simply untrue.”

    I didn’t say there weren’t charities prior to the implementation of social security. Despite the existence of charities, the elderly and disabled starved during the Great Depression. The solution provided by the free market was inefficient at solving the problem, which is why the government responded with welfare.

    “The government actually undermined the tools people had to protect themselves by passing various laws over the last hundred years or so. Back in the day people would join fraternal organizations and social clubs for the benefits that they offered and some of that included acting as a social safety net. When laws changed these clubs and social fraternal organizations and clubs lost a lot of the value they once held and a slow decline occurred.”

    Would you mind being more specific than this? I am not sure what you are talking about.

    “Yea, except, the government fails even worse than the free market does as solving this problem. When they take $1 you won’t even get back $0.50 worth of value. It also results in ever increasing costs. From the regulations that drive up health care costs (hospital care and drug costs mostly) to the centralizing of profits (health insurance) into the hands of individuals and the elite.”

    Well, I wouldn’t expect to get 100% back from the program, because it is intended to support the elderly indigent and the disabled. Fortunately, if I find myself in the same position I can also expect to receive support.

    You’ll find no argument from me that it needs to run more effectively. That doesn’t mean we need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    “If social security was so awesome government wouldn’t have to mandate it. People would simply opt into it.”

    The general public is bad about saving and planning for the future. I am skeptical that the majority of people would.

    Suppose I am wrong though. Even if people were smart and decided to save and invest, the market could crash, leaving them with nothing like what occurred during the Great Depression.

    “which is why we’re having an impact and you hang out on libertarians forums getting upset. Maybe it’s just time to leave the state for what you see as greener pastures.”

    You are making assumptions about me that aren’t true. I’m not upset about what you all are doing. I’m mostly amused. After decades, you think you are making meaningful progress. I’m not even in NH anymore. I left for greener pastures years ago.

  10. “Despite the existence of charities, the elderly and disabled starved during the Great Depression.”

    Okay I’ll play. Not just the elderly and disabled starved during the great depression. So maybe decreasing starvation in one group would have increased starvation in another? Aka wealth redistribution.

    “The solution provided by the free market was inefficient at solving the problem, which is why the government responded with welfare.”

    … Which was inefficient at solving the problem.

    “The general public is bad about saving and planning for the future. I am skeptical that the majority of people would.”

    Many libertarians believe that those who have earned that money have also earned the right to make decisions on its use, good or bad. We are well aware (hyper-aware even) that not everyone sees things this way. That’s why we protest.

    “Suppose I am wrong though. Even if people were smart and decided to save and invest, the market could crash, leaving them with nothing like what occurred during the Great Depression.”

    And yet no financial planner would ever recommend paying into the current social security system if it were optional. There are many ways to protect your assets in the event of another Great Depression. Depending on the government to save you during a crisis is about the stupidest thing you could do, as shown time and time again.

  11. Don’t be such a stick-in-the-mud, Intrigare. I know I’m grateful that we have big-hearted chaps like gloriouszorn around. God he’s such a smart guy. I mean who else is perceptive enough to figure out that taxes and government regulations are the safest route by which us lowly commoners can save for the future?

  12. Well maybe I’d change my tone if I were on the receiving end of government assistance… You know, like it was claimed about FreeKeeners. Funny, Jacks has been silent about that lately… since about the same time it came out that Shire Free Church had millions in its coffers 😉

  13. Exactly, Intrigare. Boy, this gloriouszorn guy is sharp as a tack, huh? After all, we all know that the US government has built a solid reputation of saving every dime they steal just so they can pay for roads, bridges, and that sweet retirement plan they’ve promised all of us common folk, am I right? They’d never, ever spend that money on ill-considered things like everyone knows us peasants would. I mean how could they? That money belongs to us, right? Oh. Wait. Never mind. Well anyway, I can’t wait until I’m 65 so I can start getting back all those taxes I paid in social security over the decades! 🙂

    Oh, and gz? Not to be a noodge or anything, but seeing as you and Jacks are best pals and all, ya think maybe you can persuade him to tell us all about how he and Pope Saint Fauci the Great saved the comments section from the worst virus in all of human history? I’m really missing all those stories he used to tell about how awesome he is.

  14. Ian, I want to have sex with you! Your slender frame will look amazing in the shower. See you round the cell block, sexy!

  15. “Okay I’ll play. Not just the elderly and disabled starved during the great depression. So maybe decreasing starvation in one group would have increased starvation in another? Aka wealth redistribution.”

    Do you have any evidence to support the notion that social security caused an increase in the starvation of other people?

    “… Which was inefficient at solving the problem.”

    Yet more efficient than what the free market could come up with.

    “Many libertarians believe that those who have earned that money have also earned the right to make decisions on its use, good or bad. We are well aware (hyper-aware even) that not everyone sees things this way. That’s why we protest.”

    Right, and to further elaborate on the bad, libertarians are fine with people starving if they don’t make good decisions with their money. They will pay lip service to charity as if that is the magic wand that will fix everything, even though historically it has been an inadequate solution to poverty.

    “And yet no financial planner would ever recommend paying into the current social security system if it were optional.”

    Of course financial planners won’t recommend S.S. That is because S.S. is a safety net, not an investment vehicle. Financial planners recommend tools to help you build wealth. S.S. is there so that if you make terrible financial mistakes you won’t have to worry about what is going to happen to you when you are no longer able to work. They are fundamentally different things.

    “There are many ways to protect your assets in the event of another Great Depression. ”

    Care to share some of those foolproof ways of protecting assets? I’d love to hear your ideas. It won’t be hard to poke holes in them, either. Any investment can go sideways, and any asset can fall prey to theft or destruction. What happens when that happens to you? I guess you either find charity or die in the streets. (I wonder why libertarians aren’t more popular…)

    “Depending on the government to save you during a crisis is about the stupidest thing you could do, as shown time and time again.”

    If you say so. I can think of many instances where the government has been a dependable source of stability and help for people.

  16. “Exactly, Intrigare. Boy, this gloriouszorn guy is sharp as a tack, huh? After all, we all know that the US government has built a solid reputation of saving every dime they steal just so they can pay for roads, bridges, and that sweet retirement plan they’ve promised all of us common folk, am I right? They’d never, ever spend that money on ill-considered things like everyone knows us peasants would. I mean how could they? That money belongs to us, right?”

    The government isn’t always efficient. The answer is to make it more efficient, not get rid of it.

    ” Oh. Wait. Never mind. Well anyway, I can’t wait until I’m 65 so I can start getting back all those taxes I paid in social security over the decades!”

    I’m glad you won’t starve when you reach retirement age.

    “Oh, and gz? Not to be a noodge or anything, but seeing as you and Jacks are best pals and all, ya think maybe you can persuade him to tell us all about how he and Pope Saint Fauci the Great saved the comments section from the worst virus in all of human history? I’m really missing all those stories he used to tell about how awesome he is.”

    Is this the Ian Freeman style of writing, to be condescending as possible to people you disagree with? It’s pretty funny in text form.

    I don’t really know jacks aside from what he’s written though, sorry.

    Dr. Fauci did the best he could with the available data he had at the time. This whole ordeal could have been over in a couple of weeks if people simply sheltered in place and wore a mask when they went out, but a lot of people weren’t willing to cooperate.

  17. Uh huh. Because celebrating the notion that only government bureaucrats know how best to plan for our financial futures isn’t condescending in the least.

    Anyway gz, since we’re all sharing all these swell ideas right now, whaddya think about this one? While we’re waiting for the central planners to finish solving that little problem of government inefficiency they’ve been diligently working on, how ’bout we ease up on the taxes and regulations and such in the mean time? You know, so the rest of us schmucks can finally get ahead for once? Ha ha. Just kidding, gz. I know you’d never go for something civil like that. It’s your guys’ way or the highway, right comrade?

    Oh, and gz? Those greener pastures you moved to aren’t in China or something, now are they? Because the truth’s been out for weeks now. Turns out the uncooperative weren’t the villains here at all. It was the Chinese Communist Party and the COVID Pope who did it. Weird, huh?

  18. “Do you have any evidence to support the notion that social security caused an increase in the starvation of other people?”

    My notion is that if you lower the take-home pay of workers, then it makes it harder for them to provide for their own needs and the needs of whom they support. So in attempting to solve one problem you’ve created another.

    “Yet more efficient than what the free market could come up with.”

    Do you have any evidence to support this notion?

    “Right, and to further elaborate on the bad, libertarians are fine with people starving if they don’t make good decisions with their money. They will pay lip service to charity as if that is the magic wand that will fix everything, even though historically it has been an inadequate solution to poverty.”

    Libertarians know that prosperity is the key to ending poverty, and prosperity happens on its own when government gets out of the way. Magic wands is a term we normally use to describe government handouts, as if the government created those out of thin air and it didn’t come from somewhere.

    “S.S. is there so that if you make terrible financial mistakes you won’t have to worry about what is going to happen to you when you are no longer able to work.”

    … And then you could make terrible financial mistakes with money someone else was forced to give you… makes sense.

    “Care to share some of those foolproof ways of protecting assets?”

    Diversify. And that doesn’t mean all into different stocks. I may be biased, but personally I’d go with Harry Browne’s permanent portfolio. 25% gold, 25% stocks, 25% bonds, 25% cash. Maybe throw some bitcoin in there if I’d like to gamble.

    “I can think of many instances where the government has been a dependable source of stability and help for people.”

    I can think of many instances where the opposite occured.

  19. “Uh huh. Because celebrating the notion that only government bureaucrats know how best to plan for our financial futures isn’t condescending in the least.”

    Yeah, nor is it condescending to claim that libertarians are fine with people starving. How bout that.

  20. “While we’re waiting for the central planners to finish solving that little problem of government inefficiency they’ve been diligently working on, how ’bout we ease up on the taxes and regulations and such in the mean time?”

    ^This

  21. “Uh huh. Because celebrating the notion that only government bureaucrats know how best to plan for our financial futures isn’t condescending in the least.”

    I’m not really writing with a condescending tone, but I am sorry if that is how it is coming across. You’ve set up quite the strawman here though.

    “Anyway gz, since we’re all sharing all these swell ideas right now, whaddya think about this one? “While we’re waiting for the central planners to finish solving that little problem of government inefficiency they’ve been diligently working on, how ’bout we ease up on the taxes and regulations and such in the mean time? You know, so the rest of us schmucks can finally get ahead for once? Ha ha. Just kidding, gz. I know you’d never go for something civil like that. It’s your guys’ way or the highway, right comrade?”

    patronizing

    adjective
    apparently kind or helpful but betraying a feeling of superiority; condescending

  22. “Oh, and gz? Those greener pastures you moved to aren’t in China or something, now are they? Because the truth’s been out for weeks now. Turns out the uncooperative weren’t the villains here at all. It was the Chinese Communist Party and the COVID Pope who did it. Weird, huh?”

    Even if the Chinese government were directly responsible for the coronavirus (proof?), the uncooperative still could have followed the recommended precautions and ended this in a couple of weeks. They didn’t, so now we are still dealing with this after over a year.

  23. “My notion is that if you lower the take-home pay of workers, then it makes it harder for them to provide for their own needs and the needs of whom they support. So in attempting to solve one problem you’ve created another.”

    True, but that is why we have both progressive taxation and other welfare programs like food stamps and housing assistance. But if you are making an argument that S.S. taxes should also be progressive, I’d be interested in hearing it. (although it really isn’t a libertarian idea.)

    “Do you have any evidence to support this notion?”

    As I mentioned previously, social security was a reactionary program to the elderly and disabled being unable to survive after no longer being able to work. Logically, if the free market had a solution those problems would not have existed in the first place, and social security would not be necessary.

    https://www.cbpp.org/research/social-security/social-security-lifts-more-americans-above-poverty-than-any-other-program

    This article is by a research group that shows S.S. is successful at pulling many elderly out of poverty. It’s not a perfect program, but it is better than the alternative.

    “Libertarians know that prosperity is the key to ending poverty, and prosperity happens on its own when government gets out of the way.

    This sentence sure sounds like a magic wand to me.

    “Magic wands is a term we normally use to describe government handouts, as if the government created those out of thin air and it didn’t come from somewhere.”

    I don’t think anybody thinks handouts come from nowhere. They come from taxes. The wealthy benefit the most from society, so they pay the most to keep society running.

  24. “… And then you could make terrible financial mistakes with money someone else was forced to give you… makes sense.”

    You could, I suppose. I’d be curious to see the stats of the elderly that are doing that though.

    “Diversify. And that doesn’t mean all into different stocks. I may be biased, but personally I’d go with Harry Browne’s permanent portfolio. 25% gold, 25% stocks, 25% bonds, 25% cash. Maybe throw some bitcoin in there if I’d like to gamble.”

    I like diversification. I think Browne is a bit too much into gold and cash personally, but it is a good start.

    What happens when, just as you retire, somebody robs your house and the stock market falls the next day? Not likely, but possible. What should those people do?

  25. “Yeah, nor is it condescending to claim that libertarians are fine with people starving. How bout that.”

    I don’t consider it condescending to point out the logical consequences of your philosophy.

  26. A dictionary definition? And from Google Dictionary, no less? Wow, gz, you really know how to sock it good to us common folks, now don’tcha? Personally, I would have gone the extra mile and copied and pasted from the Merriam-Webster site instead. But hey, you do you. Anyway, it turns out those emails BuzzFeed News dug up have made it pretty clear what China and the COVID Pope did. Pretending there’s nothing to any of that is only helping to make you look more disingenuous. Rookie move, by the way. Definitely something Jacks would do.

  27. “A dictionary definition? And from Google Dictionary, no less? Wow, gz, you really know how to sock it good to us common folks, now don’tcha? Personally, I would have gone the extra mile and copied and pasted from the Merriam-Webster site instead. But hey, you do you.”

    I didn’t feel like it was worth the effort.

    “Anyway, it turns out those emails BuzzFeed News dug up have made it pretty clear what China and the COVID Pope did. Pretending there’s nothing to any of that is only helping to make you look more disingenuous. Rookie move, by the way. Definitely something Jacks would do.”

    Can you point to me to a specific email(s) that supports the idea that Dr. Fauci or China was involved in the creation of the coronavirus? I’ve read the BuzzFeed article. Dr. Fauci comes out looking really professional.

  28. “Logically, if the free market had a solution those problems would not have existed in the first place, and social security would not be necessary.”

    Social security exists, so that’s evidence that social security is more efficient than the free market… Ah I see. Actually, no I don’t.

    “https://www.cbpp.org/research/social-security/social-security-lifts-more-americans-above-poverty-than-any-other-program”

    This report sounds like magic wand to me… “Social Security lowers poverty”… And doesn’t attempt to track or even mention poverty created by the cost of social security. Nice propaganda piece though.

    “I don’t think anybody thinks handouts come from nowhere. They come from taxes. The wealthy benefit the most from society, so they pay the most to keep society running.”

    If that were true, then that’d mean I’m on the receiving end of that deal after all. But still, for the record I’m still against, if for nothing else than symbolic purposes 😉

  29. Nah. I don’t feel like that would be worth the effort, gz. Especially now that you’ve confessed to reading only one article on the subject. Tell ya what, though. Why don’t you drag your lazy butt over to any one of the internet’s hundreds of news aggregates and read up on this stuff your own damn self? Then, once you’re all caught up with the rest of us, we can discuss the matter with the level of detail it deserves. Sound like a plan, Stan?

  30. “What happens when, just as you retire, somebody robs your house and the stock market falls the next day? Not likely, but possible. What should those people do?”

    Browne actually doesn’t recommend you keep all your cash and gold at home.

  31. Woah that was aggressive, Silvia. And strangely arousing. But not patronizing, so it should work right? I must say, its hot when Jumping Jacks asserts himself but he’s got nothing on you. Glad to see you’re back, by the way.

    Where has Jacks been anyway? Its almost as if since gz arrived, Jacks has just sit back and let gz do all the heavy lifting. Not very nice of him now is it?

  32. “Social security exists, so that’s evidence that social security is more efficient than the free market… Ah I see. Actually, no I don’t.”

    No, things were so bad prior to social security that it needed to be created to fix those issues. The free market had the chance to come up with a solution, and it failed. Things are better for the elderly and disabled than before social security.

    “This report sounds like magic wand to me… “Social Security lowers poverty”… And doesn’t attempt to track or even mention poverty created by the cost of social security. Nice propaganda piece though.”

    You don’t like one of my sources, but can you come up with any evidence that supports the claims you’ve made? What poverty was created because of S.S.?

    “If that were true, then that’d mean I’m on the receiving end of that deal after all. But still, for the record I’m still against, if for nothing else than symbolic purposes ”

    Okay then.

  33. “Nah. I don’t feel like that would be worth the effort, gz. Especially now that you’ve confessed to reading only one article on the subject. Tell ya what, though. Why don’t you drag your lazy butt over to any one of the internet’s hundreds of news aggregates and read up on this stuff your own damn self? Then, once you’re all caught up with the rest of us, we can discuss the matter with the level of detail it deserves. Sound like a plan, Stan?”

    I’ve read a few more articles, and I still can’t find a reliable source that proposes evidence of what you claim. It’s fine if this is too much effort for you. Have a good day.

  34. “Browne actually doesn’t recommend you keep all your cash and gold at home.”

    I’m sorry, the crux of my question must not have been clear, as this answer sidesteps what I was asking.

    What happens to those people who are unable to work, and have lost their investments and assets? Life is unpredictable. Disasters can happen to anyone. In your world, they either receive charity or they starve. Charity is good, but insufficient.

    I suppose that is the heart of our disagreement.

  35. “Where has Jacks been anyway? Its almost as if since gz arrived, Jacks has just sit back and let gz do all the heavy lifting. Not very nice of him now is it?”

    Jacks probably has better things to do. Speaking of which, I have better things to do. See you all later!

  36. We’ll see, Intrigare. But I’m getting the distinct impression this gloriouszorn fella is just too set in his ways. No room for diverging ideologies to live apart so everyone can just do their own thing in his world. It’s the libtard weirdos’ way or the noose. No exceptions.

    As for what’s going on with Jacks? No idea. Maybe all our childish name calling and pie in the sky responses finally convinced him to pursue a more exciting hobby? Ha ha. Just kidding. This grudge of his has been going on for 15 years now. No way he’s ever letting it go. Anyway, I see he’s been announcing his intention to personally attend Ian’s trial. Wow. That’s not creepy or anything. And I wonder where he gets all his free time? Maybe doctoral candidating is way easier than we think it is?

  37. “No, things were so bad prior to social security that it needed to be created to fix those issues.”

    “Things are better for the elderly and disabled than before social security.”

    Things would have improved for the elderly and disabled after the great depression without social security too.

    “The free market had the chance to come up with a solution, and it failed.”

    Not after the depression it didn’t.

    “What poverty was created because of S.S.?”

    The poverty created by the 1.1 trillion cost of the social security program last year. That is about 5% of GDP. I’m pretty sure that caused some to fall below the poverty line.

  38. “What happens to those people who are unable to work, and have lost their investments and assets? Life is unpredictable. Disasters can happen to anyone. In your world, they either receive charity or they starve. Charity is good, but insufficient.”

    People are known to help each other out without being forced. And not nearly as many people would need help if the government got out of the way of prosperity and stopped creating an entire dependency class.

  39. A few more articles, huh? Geez, gz, I can see you were really pumped to do some honest to goodness research this time around. Just kidding. Truth is my dog puts forth more effort looking for a good place to pinch a loaf. God you suck. Jews died in the holocaust because of people like you. And don’t get me started on your mother.

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  40. Actually, gz, I think the heart of our disagreement is that your side tends to believe that government force is the only way to foster charity.

  41. Hey fellas! I’m back.

    Things would have improved for the elderly and disabled after the great depression without social security too.”

    How do you know?

    “Not after the depression it didn’t.”

    Right, because the market had enough failure and the government stepped in before things got worse.

    “The poverty created by the 1.1 trillion cost of the social security program last year. That is about 5% of GDP. I’m pretty sure that caused some to fall below the poverty line.”

    Pretty sure? At any rate, there are additional welfare programs people qualify for once they reach that level.

    “People are known to help each other out without being forced. And not nearly as many people would need help if the government got out of the way of prosperity and stopped creating an entire dependency class.”

    Charity has never been as efficient or as thorough as these government programs.

    People would be wage slaves living in company towns while working 12 hour days six days a week without the government getting in the way. The capitalists would have us go back to feudalism (which is what your philosophy puts us on an accelerated course towards.) How is that for a dependency class?

  42. “A few more articles, huh? Geez, gz, I can see you were really pumped to do some honest to goodness research this time around. Just kidding. Truth is my dog puts forth more effort looking for a good place to pinch a loaf. God you suck. Jews died in the holocaust because of people like you. And don’t get me started on your mother.”

    Well, the burden is on the one who makes a claim to provide proof. I’m not going to spend all day proving your point.

    Trolling is pretty weak. Sick ASII art though.

  43. You betcha. Except what you really meant to say is that doing your own research is too hard and it’s easier to just let the hair-hats over at MSNBC and CNN make your mind up for you. You’re just too hormone-deficient and hollow-hearted to come out and say it, now aren’tcha gz?
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  45. Whoops. I don’t know if you can tell, but this is supposed to look like a semi-trailer truck. Oh well. No more trolling with ASCII art from me anymore until I work out all the kinks. 🙁

  46. “How do you know?”

    Well, because the great depression ended. Remember that’s what made them starve to begin with?

    “Right, because the market had enough failure and the government stepped in before things got worse.”

    … And made them worse… That is, at least according to sources like CATO, which you likely don’t find convincing.

    “Charity has never been as efficient or as thorough as these government programs.”

    IDK, the income earner using their own money to support or help helping someone else as they see fit seems way more efficient than what any central planner could offer.

    “People would be wage slaves living in company towns while working 12 hour days six days a week without the government getting in the way.”

    Sounds familiar. Have you spoken to many people from the middle class lately?

  47. “You betcha. Except what you really meant to say is that doing your own research is too hard and it’s easier to just let the hair-hats over at MSNBC and CNN make your mind up for you. You’re just too hormone-deficient and hollow-hearted to come out and say it, now aren’tcha gz?”

    It’s not hard to do research, I do it for my work. I could look further into this, but I have no reason to go out of my way to confirm some conspiracy theory. I don’t usually go to CNN or MSNBC for my news. I think my hormone levels are fine, although I’ve never had a reason to test them. I have no reason to be insincere. You seem to be really bothered, are you okay?

    Soy milk is pretty good, although I don’t really drink milk in general anymore. I was never really a big fan of fat free though.

    You’ll get better if you keep trying.

  48. Why do youse resay everything in quotation marks?

  49. Oh, missed one…

    “Pretty sure? At any rate, there are additional welfare programs people qualify for once they reach that level.”

    Well there ya have it. The welfare state creating welfare dependency.

  50. “Why do youse resay everything in quotation marks?”

    I do this mostly for clarity. I want people to know what I am responding to. You might find this feature in forums or other online discussion boards.

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