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Keene radio host Ian Freeman jailed over couch

Filed under: Corruption, Free Talk Live, Hypocrisy, News, Personal Freedom, Thuggery — Michael Hampton at 6:42 pm on Friday, November 14, 2008

Nationally syndicated radio talk show host Ian Freeman will spend 100 days in jail because he questioned the legitimacy of a system which would penalize him for having a couch in his yard and conduct his trial in secret.

Keene resident Nick Ryder wrote on the Free Keene blog that the courtroom at Freeman’s trial Friday afternoon at Keene District Court in Keene, N.H., was stacked with police “to try and outnumber the liberty activists.”

Judge Edward Burke had hardly arrived in the courtroom before ordering Freeman jailed for 30 days for contempt of court and the proceedings moved to another room where spectators would not be allowed to hear what happened.

When word finally filtered out of the closed proceeding, Freeman had somehow gotten two more 30-day sentences for contempt and 10 days for refusing to pay a fine for having an illegal couch. The official reasons for the contempt charges were not immediately clear.

“It was oppressive,” said Dale Everett, 40, of Keene. “They had a notice posted obviously targeting us, liberty activists, saying that anyone who didn’t stand for the judge would be ’subject to sanction.’ So I left. I wasn’t prepared to get arrested today.”

Freeman is the owner and host of the Free Talk Live radio show, which airs six nights a week on approximately 45 radio stations nationwide. Free Talk Live is an open format show, where callers can bring up any topic, with no caller refused. The hosts bring a libertarian perspective to the ensuing conversations.

The controversy began in August when Keene housing inspector Carl Patten visited Freeman’s duplex, half of which he rents out, and cited him for a couch on his tenants’ side of the yard.

Freeman said at the time he did not believe the city had a right to tell him whether he could have a couch on his yard. The couch was decorated for Halloween, complete with a pumpkin and lounging scarecrow.

After refusing to pay the fine and being threatened with arrest at his first hearing, Freeman attempted to negotiate with the city.

Patten claimed that he cited Freeman after receiving a complaint. Freeman said he would remove the couch if given an opportunity to speak to the original complainant, “like an adult, instead of calling in men with guns.” The city refused and demanded he come to trial Friday, where he was jailed for contempt almost immediately.

“The Judge sees himself as royalty,” wrote Jim Johnson of Winchester on the New Hampshire Underground forum, “no one may question or disrespect his benevolent self.”

Code enforcement activity has been on the rise nationwide with the failing economy reducing local governments’ revenues and local bureaucrats desperately trying to take money from anywhere they can get it, using any excuse.

Free Talk Live recently interviewed one victim of code enforcement, 83 year old Ageda Camargo of La Quinta, Calif., who is being harassed by bureaucrats there over a garage which was converted into a bedroom decades ago, before she bought the house.

When the laws are unjust, as the vast majority of today’s laws are, then a court of law will dispense injustice. Freeman’s protest of the injustice done to him has not gone unnoticed. Many liberty activists have said the court’s action has motivated them to get even more involved.

“The tyranny was stifling,” Everett said. “It’s the kind of experience that makes you rethink everything. And just to be clear, I don’t mean rethinking everything in terms of backing off. Quite the opposite.”

This article was originally published at Homeland Stupidity.

70 Comments »

Comment by Andy

November 14, 2008 @ 7:00 pm

Article has been dugg http://digg.com/politics/Free_Talk_Live_host_will_go_to_jail_100_days_over_a_couch

Comment by Christa

November 14, 2008 @ 7:18 pm

UNBELIEVABLE

OUTRAGEOUS

it makes me see red

Comment by anonymous

November 14, 2008 @ 7:38 pm

Dugg

Comment by Rod

November 14, 2008 @ 7:49 pm

Dugg

Comment by Alex Jarvis

November 14, 2008 @ 8:10 pm

Unbelievable… Just shows you the corruption in this world…

Comment by Andy

November 14, 2008 @ 8:17 pm

Here is another story on Digg that seems to be getting the most Diggs http://digg.com/odd_stuff/90_days_in_prison_for_refusing_to_stand

Comment by Neal Jiutai

November 14, 2008 @ 8:24 pm

PLEASE DIGG THIS ONE: http://digg.com/odd_stuff/90_days_in_prison_for_refusing_to_stand
(It already has much more diggs)

Comment by nick

November 14, 2008 @ 11:43 pm

You confused me (Nick Ryder) with Nick M. no big deal.

Comment by Derek

November 14, 2008 @ 11:53 pm

Are judges elected in New Hampshire? If this judge is an elected official, I hope that all of the Liberty activists mount a massive campaign to get him defeated next time (if judges are elected in NH).

I think this will just escalate the protests and probably end up with the judge losing his seat. I also bet he will be forced to back down and let Freeman out early due to enormous community backlash.

Comment by Jim Davidson

November 15, 2008 @ 1:19 am

Dugg.

I find this behavior by the judge to be absurd. Obviously, many more people need to do many more things of this sort and fill their jails with non-violent criminals. And do other things to protest this absurd and self-important behavior.

It is exactly this sort of thing that I had in mind when I argued against NH in the FSP state selection process.

Are judges elected in NH?

Comment by Oliver

November 15, 2008 @ 1:45 am

Good for the judge. He deserves a medal.

Comment by Jim Davidson

November 15, 2008 @ 1:48 am

What sort of metal? Lead? At what velocity?

Oh, medal. You think he deserves to be praised? Why? What sort of law and order authoritarian are you?

Comment by Lance

November 15, 2008 @ 2:17 am

Don’t you guys have any lawyers out in Keene? Where was his attorney?

Comment by Rance Muhamitz

November 15, 2008 @ 3:06 am

Lance,

Ian isn’t about to hire someone who has sworn an oath to the state. It’s a conflict of interest.

Comment by Lance

November 15, 2008 @ 3:16 am

Here is the Oath that one must take to practice law in New Hampshire according to teh internetz. I don’t see how this oath creates a conflict of interest. Are there no liberty loving lawyers in that part of the country?

CHAPTER 311
ATTORNEYS AND COUNSELORS
Section 311:6

311:6 Oath. – Every attorney admitted to practice shall take and subscribe, in open court, the oaths to support the constitution of this state and of the United States, and the oath of office in the following form: You solemnly swear or affirm that you will do no falsehood, nor consent that any be done in the court, and if you know of any, that you will give knowledge thereof to the justices of the court, or some of them, that it may be reformed; that you will not wittingly or willingly promote, sue or procure to be sued any false or unlawful suit, nor consent to the same; that you will delay no person for lucre or malice, and will act in the office of an attorney within the court according to the best of your learning and discretion, and with all good fidelity as well to the court as to your client. So help you God or under the pains and penalty of perjury.

Comment by smeg

November 15, 2008 @ 5:56 am

is there an address where we can write to ian available yet?

Comment by noah

November 15, 2008 @ 8:35 am

“The tyranny was stifling,” Everett said.

Yeah? Well, the DEFIANCE was f*#(ing inspiring!!!

Thank you for standing up!

Comment by chfsfan

November 15, 2008 @ 11:23 am

Obvious screw job. The guy that put the cold steel bracelets on Ian was walking over there BEFORE he was told to have a seat. It was a total set up from the beginning. The guy should have at lease waited for his cue of “have a seat” before he walked over to Ian! A truly tragic story.

Comment by pete

November 15, 2008 @ 12:21 pm

he got 90 day for contemptand 3 day for the fine, everone in the courtroom could hear and see what was going on in the other room.

Comment by Mitch

November 15, 2008 @ 2:17 pm

Posted on the Ron Paul Forums – http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1827262#post1827262

Comment by Mitch

November 15, 2008 @ 2:18 pm

This civil disobedience will definitely bring more people to New Hampshire.

Comment by JanColdwater

November 15, 2008 @ 3:17 pm

It is no wonder why everyone is rushing for GUNS! I think it is safe to say that we are under attack and the real terrorists are those we put in office. It is REALLY too bad that the majority of the people voting did NOT take Ron Paul’s advice and vote THIRD PARTY all the way across the board. It would have sent a strong message. Now it looks like we will have to fight with the kitchen sink and even the couch!

WAKE UP AMERICA!

Comment by Stupid Amerkin

November 15, 2008 @ 5:36 pm

What you are dealing with here is a black robed devil protected my his hired thugs under the color of law. Follow the money trail and have this black robed devil arrested himself and thrown in jail. I can guarantee you that there is not a black robed devil in this country behind the bench, (bank) that is not on the take. How could they function without being on the take in the criminal and fraudulent justUS system we live under today? As it has been said, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
They say crime doesn’t pay, but that depends on which side of the bench, (bank) you are sitting on.

Comment by Jason

November 15, 2008 @ 7:25 pm

This makes me want to move to New Hampshire even more than I do now. Unfortunately, until I get more job experience that isn’t going to happen. Maybe in another couple of years.

Comment by Wildpests

November 15, 2008 @ 7:41 pm

This should be sent to Bill O’Reilly and let him investigate this and unleash his wrath on the rope a dope court!

Comment by Oliver

November 15, 2008 @ 8:33 pm

Jim Davidson: As usual you people want to respond first with killing others. Yes, that’s what YOU said. And you wonder why more people don’t join you? Really?

Jason: Stay where you are. We don’t need or want you here. We have a society based on laws to preserve life and property. The “liberty” people tout on this site is the “liberty” to cause harm, whether it is to persons (as Jim Davidson suggested) or to cause economic harm through the “junking” of a neighborhood.

If you are in school, stay there. Perhaps you will learn that the laws we have are there because WE want them. The judge merely represents the people in his decisions. And when you violate the law, you are subject to the penalties, no matter what you claim for a philosophy. When you come here, the laws here apply to you.

Comment by George Donnelly

November 15, 2008 @ 8:44 pm

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Comment by AnarchoJesse

November 15, 2008 @ 9:30 pm

Jim Davidson: As usual you people want to respond first with killing others. Yes, that’s what YOU said. And you wonder why more people don’t join you? Really?

If you’re going to take his remark seriously about shooting him, you’re being a disingenuous prick.

Jason: Stay where you are. We don’t need or want you here. We have a society based on laws to preserve life and property. The “liberty” people tout on this site is the “liberty” to cause harm, whether it is to persons (as Jim Davidson suggested) or to cause economic harm through the “junking” of a neighborhood.

This is so full of cognitive dissonance I just don’t quite know where to begin.

How about this “we” you speak of. Who is “we”? Certainly not me. And I live in New Hampshire. But let me give you the benefit of the doubt: has every resident of the area called “New Hampshire” (barring me) stated their opinion of all these matters to you? If not, do you possess omniscience? I am very much interested in hearing about this.

Moving on, you bring up “society”, which makes me tingle. I love society. There is nothing better than it. But this leaves me to wonder– how can you conflate society, which is the sum of all voluntary interactions between individuals with Statism, which is coercive monopoly on a territory? Moreover, how can you tout such a system as “protecting property” when it clearly violates property rights by creating laws that violate property rights? Indeed, the act of taxation alone is an act of institutionalized theft– like a highway man, the government points a gun and says “your money or your life”.

Finally, you say that we’re violent and wish to hurt people– but this couldn’t be further from the truth. We’re not the people who “serve” warrants, who demand obedience, who threaten to cart you off to a cold cell if you refuse to play by our model.

Pull your head out of your ass.

If you are in school, stay there. Perhaps you will learn that the laws we have are there because WE want them.

Again, with this “we” stuff. Speak for yourself, because I’m doubting that you have the moral or intellectual authority to speak for everyone.

The judge merely represents the people in his decisions.

Impossible. We would either need to accept one of two premises, being that the judge is either capable of calculating the thoughts and opinions of the amalgamation of individuals which you refer to as “the people”, or that the judge can possibly represent the amalgamation of individuals known as “the people” without creating a contradiction.

In the first case, it is impossible to calculate human action, and thus, it is impossible for the judge to calculate precisely the opinions of “the people.” In the second case, we have the same issue as the first, with the added fact that he can’t possibly represent “the people” for the sheer fact that “the people” have myriad of opinions.

This is all very basic and very essential philosophy and legal theory– but I’m sure you knew that, didn’t you?

And when you violate the law, you are subject to the penalties, no matter what you claim for a philosophy. When you come here, the laws here apply to you.

There is something dubious about this line of reasoning– you’re assuming precisely which you’re trying to prove. This is a tautology, and logically speaking, it’s absolute horseshit. Until you can prove the legitimacy of those laws (which are premised on political philosophy! At least, supposedly) your argument here holds no water.

Comment by disinter

November 15, 2008 @ 10:38 pm

The judge’s contact info:

Name : Burke- Edward J. Attorney

Address : 82 Court Street

Zip/Postcode : 03431

Phone : (603)357-4800

Fax : (603)357-4825

Comment by Zecharo

November 15, 2008 @ 11:48 pm

“Impossible. We would either need to accept one of two premises, being that the judge is either capable of calculating the thoughts and opinions of the amalgamation of individuals which you refer to as “the people”, or that the judge can possibly represent the amalgamation of individuals known as “the people” without creating a contradiction.

In the first case, it is impossible to calculate human action, and thus, it is impossible for the judge to calculate precisely the opinions of “the people.” In the second case, we have the same issue as the first, with the added fact that he can’t possibly represent “the people” for the sheer fact that “the people” have myriad of opinions.”

Ditto x 1000! Seriously people if you can understand this then you can understand why government doesn’t work. You can’t possibly represent every individual, because every individual is unique. Much better for the individual to represent himself, and coincidentally it actually works really well for the whole. Unfortunately I’m afraid this may be beyond our statist friends.

Comment by Jim Davidson

November 16, 2008 @ 12:01 am

Oliver at 76612, “Jim Davidson: As usual you people want to respond first with killing others. Yes, that’s what YOU said. And you wonder why more people don’t join you? Really?”

What did I say? Respond first? Where did I say that?

Given that I did not write those words, what makes you think that’s how I wanted people to respond at first, decades ago when freedom was threatened by the arch socialists now in power? Many, many, many other responses have come “first.”

Killing people who attack my life, my liberty, or my property is my choice. I’ll take that choice when, if, as, and how I please. If you don’t recognise a right to use up to deadly force to defend life, liberty, and property, then you are vile putrescence.

Comment by Jim Davidson

November 16, 2008 @ 12:04 am

AnarchoJesse – society makes me tingle, too. No, wait, tinkle. Yeah.

Comment by Oliver

November 16, 2008 @ 12:40 am

JimDavidson: Here are your words

Comment by Jim Davidson
November 15, 2008 @ 1:48 am
What sort of metal? Lead? At what velocity?

As usual, none of you seem mature enough to discuss an issue without name-calling. But that was completely expected.

Do you own real property, such as land or a home?
By what authority? Do you have a deed? Where is it from? Do any of you work for a living? Just wondering.

Comment by DJ

November 16, 2008 @ 2:16 am

“As usual, none of you seem mature enough to discuss an issue without name-calling. But that was completely expected.” – Oliver, the internet troll.

Pot calling the kettle black aren’t we, Oliver? Please, engage in more fallacies. You could feed more people then Jesus did with all the red herrings — a couple more strawman arguments and we’ll have a fire to grill’em with.

Comment by Jim Davidson

November 16, 2008 @ 2:22 am

So, Oliver, you were lying. I didn’t say anything about how to first respond. I didn’t say anything about killing anyone. I asked some questions. These were intended as a light hearted pun on “medal.” You are a vicious liar and a nasty statist. You love authority and you want to give the judge a medal. Not only do you want Ian to rot in jail, you very clearly want to hit Ian yourself as hard as you can until he bleeds to death.

Right? I mean, you said you want to give the judge a medal. My inference from your statement is no wilder a reach, no further out of the realm of credibility, than your statement about me.

The problem you authoritarians have is you don’t read. You don’t like literature. You don’t enjoy logic. You don’t think critically about anything. All you know how to do is obey, and object to anyone who won’t.

When they tell you to shove people into cattle cars, you will. When the government tells you that you must slaughter your neighbors, you will. When the government tells you to torture people to death, you’ll do it. You’ll do it obediently, gladly, and thoughtlessly. And when someone else in another position of authority comes to the death camp where you’ve been working shoveling bodies into the ovens, and tells you that what you did was wrong, you’ll say, “I was following orders. I am a good American. A good American follows orders.”

That defense didn’t work at Nuremberg, and it won’t work now. But you kiss the judge for us, would ya? He needs extra tongue from you.

Comment by Jim Davidson

November 16, 2008 @ 4:19 am

I own no land. I own no property. The state gives me title to nothing. I have no income. The state gives me nothing. I take nothing from it. I do my best to give nothing to it. I have endless hours of leisure to spend annoying trolls like Oliver. With any luck, this point should penetrate deeply and either drive him mad, or make him want to go elsewhere.

Did I say that I have no wealth? No opportunities? No fun? Not at all.

One of the cleverest tools ever invented is the trust. It is also called a contract. The manager of a trust can have beneficial use of assets without owning them. The nicest thing about a contract: you don’t have to register it with anyone.

Comment by Nytefytr

November 16, 2008 @ 4:46 am

Hey Oliver, it is gestapo types like you that obviously think that government actually works for you. All this man did was dress up a couch on his own property for Halloween; the city cited him because some do-gooder complainer “NIMBY” type pressed the issue. The judge was way out of line for citing him with multiple counts of contempt of court. I know for a fact that if you were in this man’s shoes and treated as he was, that you would have acted similarly. There was no excuse for the judges’ actions; if he is an elected official, I hope the judge finds himself jobless in the next term; his actions were unconscionable. The man cited did not think he was above the law; the judge obviously did.

By the way, are you in law enforcement? Or are you a lawyer?

Comment by Jim Davidson

November 16, 2008 @ 5:40 am

Nah, you’ve got Oliver all wrong. Oliver is the neighbor who ratted Ian out. Oliver thinks that what Ian does with Ian’s property has an economic affect on Oliver’s property. Therefore, Oliver owns Ian’s property.

See? He even makes this point in 76612 where he says that Ian has caused him economic harm. Because Ian used Ian’s property the way Ian thought best, Oliver ratted him out to the couch police. Now Ian is in jail and Oliver wants to give the judge a medal. Or maybe a dirty Sanchez. A real aristocrat, our Oliver.

Comment by AnarchoJesse

November 16, 2008 @ 11:40 am

JimDavidson: Here are your words

Comment by Jim Davidson
November 15, 2008 @ 1:48 am
What sort of metal? Lead? At what velocity?

As usual, none of you seem mature enough to discuss an issue without name-calling. But that was completely expected.

I’m sorry– the disingenuous tone of your post put me on the wrong side of taking you seriously. If you want this to be a serious conversation, it’d behoove you to observe academic rigors and avoid character assaults premised on conjecture and emotion. I feel no reason to give you the benefit of the doubt and treat you like an intellectual equal if you don’t give us the same benefit.

Do you own real property, such as land or a home?
By what authority? Do you have a deed? Where is it from? Do any of you work for a living? Just wondering.

I can’t seem figure out what this has to do with anything.

Comment by Oliver

November 16, 2008 @ 5:57 pm

“So, Oliver, you were lying. I didn’t say anything about how to first respond. I didn’t say anything about killing anyone. I asked some questions.”

Talk about a disingenuous! “Lead? At what velocity?” You rate right up there with Rush Limbaugh and his lies followed by “only kidding!” We both know exactly what you meant, but you lie to avoid your own words.

I’m not Ian’s neighbor. I’m several miles away. But I find all the hoo-haw over his court appearance amusing… you folks seem to want to be victims, or perhaps martyrs, and when one of you gets your wish, well, then the hyperbole is turned on high.

Most of you don’t live here, obviously, since several have asked whether Judge Burke is elected or not. If you lived here you might have a clue. But you think you can tell folks here how they should run their lives and property and neighborhoods.

For what it’s worth, I would never have bitched about Ian’s couch. I thought it was cute. My neighbors run their property how they wish, as do I, and none of us seems to have any issues other than with some people speeding on our road and endangering walkers. In my town, the only complaints come when trash/junk from one property started falling or blowing onto another and the individuals could not settle the issue. Or if rats or other animals became a problem because of neglect.

I have a neighbor who shoots his rifles and pistols in his back yard. In 8 years it has never been a problem, because he seems competent has a solid backstop, though he starts a little early on Sunday morning for my liking.

But hey, kids, it’s been fun. Keep looking for opportunities to be victims, and I’m sure you’ll find them. But if you think any of this is “new” or “original” thinking, you’re very wrong, and need to read some more.

Comment by Jim Davidson

November 16, 2008 @ 6:31 pm

Jesse, it has everything to do with the topic at hand. Oliver thinks that he owns Ian. Therefore, having the state incarcerate Ian over a couch is just what Oliver likes. Oliver also thinks that Ian ought to be beaten up every night until Ian bleeds to death. Oliver said so.

Oliver does not want people to give metal to the judge, he wants them to give a medal to the judge. Because Oliver loves the judge, and the system, and the authority it gives Oliver to sneak around and rat out people who live miles away from him. Oliver is on a power trip.

None of us matter, because we aren’t Oliver. Therefore, if we don’t live in Keene, we have no interest in seeing justice done. Just because we’re interested in liberty, Oliver wants to have us arrested if we come to town. That ought to be great for business, Ollie.

Comment by Jim Davidson

November 16, 2008 @ 6:34 pm

By the way, it appears entirely possible that this bureau-rat out-of-towner city planner slime ball is the one who made the “complaint.”

http://jailedactivist.info/bureaucrats/city-officials/mikaela-l-engert/

She’s one of those jerks who get a city planning degree and then come to a community and try to find things to do to the locals. In Crook County, Wyoming, we had one named Fred Duncan come to town. Fred was in a twist about people’s septic systems, so now there are new fees and new permits for doing any thing on your land, septic or not. Isn’t that great? Aren’t city planners wonderful? They take such an interest in planning what to do with other people’s property.

Oliver, of course, probably made a follow-up call, because he loves authority so much.

Comment by Cosmo

November 16, 2008 @ 9:16 pm

How can we send Ian money to make his time pass better? Will Letters get to him? Best way to send things?

Comment by Curt Springer

November 16, 2008 @ 9:38 pm

Would somebody close to Ian please set up a legal defense fund for him. I will contribute to that.

Comment by Stupid Amerkin

November 17, 2008 @ 2:58 am

Was that Civil or Criminal contempt?

Comment by Mr. Amazing

November 17, 2008 @ 3:23 pm

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!

I FUCKING HATE JUDGE BURKE HE’S A PIECE OF SHIT! I’VE DEALT WITH HIM SEVERAL TIMES AND ON EVERY OCCASION HE DEMANDS THE RESPECT OF A POPE, WHEN IN FACT HE DOESN’T EVEN DESERVE THE RESPECT OF A STEAMING PILE OF POOP.

IAN FREEMAN IS NO LONGER A FREE MAN, MAN!

Comment by Oliver

November 17, 2008 @ 4:01 pm

To Jim Davidson: that’s quite a steaming pile of lies you left in 76659. All made up from your dank imagination. What’s the matter, truth isn’t on your side so you have to make up lies?

I have no desire to see any violence or injustice done to anyone, even you. Ian went to court with the decision that he would become a martyr, and he got his wish. Now all of you can moan and groan over his fate, even if he asked for it. Whether you want the system to exist or not, it is there, and if you stand against it you take the chance of paying penalties that are unpleasant. At least don’t whine when you get the expected results of your actions. Rev. King and his marchers stood against the system of their time and took the results of their actions like adults.

As for you, Jim, here’s a quote from one of my favorite artists.

We’re being treated to the wisdom
Of some puffed up little fart
Doing exactly what I used to do
Pretentions to anarchy and art
He speaks the language of a warrior
He mounts his misinformed attack
He wears the clothes of a dissenter
But theres a logo on his back
And its a hollow rebellion
As rebellions mostly are
Its just another raging tempest in a jar

Comment by asdf

November 17, 2008 @ 4:01 pm

Oliver, you are an idiot.

I suggest you go read the writings of Thomas Jefferson and attempt to understand the historical roots of liberty in our country.

Oh wait you love the State, right. Just keep in mind you reap what you sow.

Comment by Oliver

November 17, 2008 @ 5:38 pm

No, ASDF (76691), I don’t love the State. But I know that it exists and has power. And just as I wouldn’t climb into a lion’s cage and poke it with a stick and somehow not expect consequences, I won’t appear in the State’s offices and poke it with a stick unless I am willing and able to take the consequences without childish whining.

I am curious, though. With all the land in this country and elsewhere, why you people have decided New Hampshire is your target. You could have gone somewhere there was no local government and established your own community. Instead you decide that New Hampshire has to be the place? Why not your own home towns?

Comment by NHJUSTICE.NET WEBMASTER

November 17, 2008 @ 6:56 pm

To turn a legal phrase, the court’s egregious conduct presents a compelling argument for the JAIL4JUDGES organization. Court oversight is long overdue

Comment by LiveFreeOrDie

November 17, 2008 @ 6:58 pm

OLIVER, it’s people like you who pose the greatest threat to freedom. Why? Because you are a pathetic boot-licking coward. You are not truly free–yours is only an illusion of freedom. You are bound in the chains forged by your own fear. No man is free, or worthy of freedom, who hasn’t the courage to fight for it–and, deep down in your yellow gut, you know this to be true. You mock others for their courage to stand up for their liberties, because that’s what cowards do best–it is a coward’s only comfort among the brave.

Crawl back into your Peter Pan world OLIVER. And, until the weight of your chains become to heavy, you can keep clapping for Tinker Bell. Consider yourself fortunate that others will continue the fight to break the chains in which sniveling cowards like you would have us all bound–indeed, misery loves company.

Comment by Curt Springer

November 17, 2008 @ 7:31 pm

I’ve never met Oliver but he sounds like most any of my neighbors in Danville. When you diss him or people like him you are dissing most of us who lived here and were reasonably happy with things before some of you even knew whether NH was the upside-down right triangle on the left or the right-side up one on the right. No we are not idiots, we know there are abuses of power and sometimes government just gets in the way for no good reason.

I’ve already said that if my town pulled this crap on me that they pulled on Ian with his couch I would use the legal means available to me to make them back down and put them on the defensive. I’m sure Oliver would, too. There’d be none of this pathetic sniveling about being put in a cage.

Comment by Curt Springer

November 17, 2008 @ 7:48 pm

I just scrolled up and read Oliver’s comment about the judge deserving a medal. I disagree with that. I think the judge showed poor judgment, no pun intended. I don’t think his punishment of Ian within seconds of opening the court is emblematic of the kind of justice I want to see in NH. But that doesn’t make him evil. People make mistakes. I don’t know for certain but I’m sure or at least hopeful that he could be asked to reconsider his decisions.

Comment by elkheart

November 17, 2008 @ 8:05 pm

I called the office of NH governor John Lynch today. I spoke with “Mariah”(hope i spelled her name correctly. she was nice, polite, friendly, & professional.) The message i left was simple. I believe that mr. burke lacks judicial competence, & should be remmoved from the bench. in my personal case, he subborned perjury, in that he coerced me into lying under oath. he took evidence “ex parte”, without disclosing that fact. he had a PRE-WRITTEN “order”, that contained information not presented to the Court. If mr. burke *WAS*/*IS* a competent judge, things would have never gotten so far out of hand. step down, eddy burkah. step down howard.

Comment by DJ

November 17, 2008 @ 8:53 pm

“The problem you authoritarians have is you don’t read. You don’t like literature. You don’t enjoy logic. You don’t think critically about anything. All you know how to do is obey, and object to anyone who won’t.” – Jim Davidson

QFT.

Congrats, Oliver. Now you’ve become exactly what your diatribes rail against; a whiner whining about others so-called whining. Of course, hypocrisy and contradictions never stopped an authoritarian. Case in point: You wish no injustice done on one hand, yet on the other hand, celebrate that very same injustice by praising a judge who exercised the very thing! But due to the judge being who he is, any injustice done is rectified by his position, therefore making the very nafarious action just.

Oliver, you’re begging the question about a man who did not sit down fast enough, who’s friends were threatened by authorities to obey or be happily thrown in jail; an unjust premeditated act where the judge and his goons conspired to throw the whole lot into a cell.

Did you even watch the videos out there?

If so, then it’s quite a dissapointment that you’d not only condone, but worship what the judge did in this circumstance, regardless of whether Burke the Jerk had previous animosities. His goon was already in full stride to arrest Ian before the judge demanded it; now that is contemptable.

By the way, you’re engaging in an excersice of futility. Although, you already know this. Don’t you, troll? For your information, it’s only strengthening the Free Stater’s resolve.

http://www.freestateproject.org/

There’s your answer. Hopefully you can come back here more informed.

Comment by elkheart

November 17, 2008 @ 9:52 pm

Dale, if you weren’t “prepared to be arrested”, then why did you go to that crooked little court in the first place? Not trying to be nasty, or anything, just wondering….And anybody know what’s up with “NHJustice.net”???….they seem to be *DORMANT*, as in , no activity since May, 2006!….PS: I heard a rumor, that “OLIVER” is *ACTUALLY*, judge burke! now *THAT’S* amazing, mister!>>>grin……

Comment by Oliver

November 17, 2008 @ 10:29 pm

Elkheart, you think I’m Judge Burke? Ha! don’t let your paranoia get the better of you. I’m just a citizen looking for amusement, and I’ve certainly found it.

BTW, I read here where a restaurant owner was going to offer a Thanksgiving meal, and is hoping you guys will be there to offer some insights into your freedom program. Make sure you treat the diners *exactly* as you’ve treated me — the name calling, mud-slinging, the accusations, etc. You’ll win friends and influence people.

Comment by Jason

November 17, 2008 @ 11:58 pm

Like I said earlier I’ve thought about joining the Free State Project and moving to NH but the childish, overly emotional behavior I’ve seen exhibited here makes me not want to be associated with it. I’ve thought about moving to New England before anyway just because of the civil unions and marriage equality on offer in that part of the country, plus I just like moving around. I’m not scared of radicalism but if ya’ll (you guys/vous/ the FSP people) are going to be radical don’t just insult people for no reason as you have on this board. You guys are being counter-productive. The arguments stand or fall on their own. You can’t make people accept them. Try listening to Stefan Molyneux at Freedomain Radio to learn more.

Oliver, I have been in school for a while. I’ve studied abroad and I’ve seriously considered attending law school. Just because the majority of people want a law is not a good reason for a law to exist. We live in a republic, not a democracy and thank goodness. The majority of current laws in the US are bad laws. I currently live in Arkansas and it’s rather repressive socially down here (especially since I’m no longer Southern Baptist) and makes NH seem like some kind of liberal paradise from what my friends say about it (including those who are not FSP people).

The people here are coming off as whiny. They are not doing a good job of showing why this was bad on multiple levels. Our system of law and order needs desperately to be revamped. I’m sorry for some of these people who are insulting you. They need to learn that you don’t make friends through insults. Please know that not all of us who are liberty-oriented are like some of the ruder people on this board. Also please remember that it’s much easier to be rude on an anonymous board on the internet than in person.

I’m sorry that you feel like your town is being taken over but the FSP people chose New Hampshire because it is one of the freest places in America. Also not all of them are radicals and many of them work in the system for reform, which is what I would do if I moved there.

Comment by Michael Hampton

November 18, 2008 @ 12:38 am

I’m happy to see so many comments attached to my work, even if the tone hasn’t been exactly cordial.

That said, Jason, I expect you’ll be happier in a different part of the state than Keene. I would recommend Manchester, where there’s a thriving group of political activists along with the various much lower key market-based activists.

If you manage to visit, feel free to drop by on a Taproom Tuesday.

Comment by Lance

November 18, 2008 @ 12:48 am

Jason, I think your last comment is great. As far as anonymous internet trolls, who knows where they live, just ignore them.

You’ll like this:

“Bad ideas, if they are to be rendered ineffective, must be replaced with good ideas. Herein lies a great weakness of the freedom supporters. Millions can damn authoritarianism but how few there are who can skillfully, persuasively, and attractively explain authoritariansim’s opposite: the free market, private property, limited government philosophy! In the absence of this ability state interventionism thrives.”

-from Leonard Read’s Elements of Libertarian Leadership (1952)

I hope you do go to law school AND move to NH – the Liberty movement needs more effective, articulate people like you.

Comment by Stupid Amerkin

November 18, 2008 @ 1:49 am

Sounds like this black robed devil’s ego is bigger then he can handle. Absolute abuse of power, but most likely he has been getting away with this for years. Follow the money and take him out.

Comment by Kyle Varner

November 18, 2008 @ 9:19 am

Two lessons can be drawn from this:

1) America is becoming less and less free.

2) If you go to court, get a lawyer and sit there and don’t say a word. Going to jail for contempt of court totally sucks.

Comment by Juk

November 18, 2008 @ 6:13 pm

I don’t live anywhere near New Hampshire, but, still, …..I find this to be absolutely appalling. In this particular situation, somebody would have gotten hurt trying to put the cuffs on me. I don’t care. I would have went down fighting. They would have had to taze me repeatedly and “somebody” would have gotten a broken nose. Furthermore, after the fact, there would be a massive law suit filed on my behalf filed against that jurisdiction by my very high powered attorney. I know the law. This mans’ civil rights were completely tromped on like a handy wipe. Sort of reminds me of Gestapo. Just my humble opinion here, but, “this” ……..just sickens me. Maybe Michigan ain’t so bad after all. No, ….(lol) …..who am I kidding? It sucks here to. Our jails aren’t full enough yet? This is the excuse they use for more state funding to expand the jails? I’m sorry. How pathetic.

Comment by Bubuh

November 22, 2008 @ 10:03 am

When will you people wake up and realize that this ain’t NEVER gonna go away with WORDS.

Tyranny can only be Defeated by watering the Liberty Tree.

TO ARMS. The only way to Stop this is for Every Brave American to Physically FIGHT BACK, even if means giving of their lives.

These Tyrants who RULE over us, FEAR ONE THING. They FEAR an ARMED PEOPLE, Who Are MAD AS HELL, AND AREN’T GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE.

The Towns folk should all Storm the Court House, and take that judge and anyone one who attempts to stop them, out of their office, Tar and Feather them, and send them packing, and then Take their house by force, and give it to the Homeless Shelter.

Oh, and Tar and feathers is OK, but he will sooner or later hit another town. It would be better to put an End of his Career and Wealth before you send him packing.

Comment by Lonny

January 2, 2009 @ 1:23 am

I can’t speak to what, if anything Ian did or whether it was legal but, If that was an example of justice in an AMERICAN courtroom, I’ve died and gone to visit Chairman Mao in commie heaven.

Comment by Ron

January 11, 2009 @ 3:18 am

I hope this Ian Freeman gets killed in 2009. He’s an alcoholic, meth addict, AND a muslim.

Comment by Jim Davidson

January 11, 2009 @ 1:16 pm

Ron, that isn’t a very Christian thing to say.

I did not know that Ian Freeman was Islamic. His Facebook profile describes him (he describes himself there) as a “Pantheist.” My Greek is a little rusty, but that either means he believes in all gods, or he believes that everything is a part of God. Not exactly Islamic.

As for his personal habit with regard to things he likes to ingest, how is that any of your business? Are you some sort of Prohibitionist, Ron?

The future of Keene, New Hampshire, according to Ron, is his boot smashing the face of Ian Freeman, forever.

Comment by Jim Davidson

January 11, 2009 @ 1:18 pm

Actually, it occurs to me Ian might believe in the Greek god Pan. You know, the god of woods, fields, flocks, goats legs, human head and torso, goat horns and ears? Or don’t they teach you anything in school, Ron?

Comment by elkheart

January 21, 2009 @ 10:33 pm

Jim Davidson: My understanding of “pantheist” is that it means, basically, in simple terms, that Everything that is, IS GOD. So, each & every piece of everything, including we people, is a part of God. A very near, & related word, “Pantheon”, means “all the gods”, of *this* religion, or faith. Like the Norse Pantheon of Loki, Zeus, Thor, etc…hope this helps…~e~…

Comment by Jim Davidson

January 22, 2009 @ 12:49 am

Thanks, Elkheart. I don’t claim to have any greater insight into pantheism now than I did earlier. My purpose was not to criticise, nor to support, Ian’s chosen religious faith. My main objective was to illustrate the extent to which Ron in 77401 was just a nasty, stinking, liar.

I guess that point is uncontested. Anyway, Ron has been too timid to respond. Kinda sad.

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