Keene radio host Ian Freeman jailed over couch

Nationally syndicated radio talk show host Ian Freeman will spend 100 days in jail because he questioned the legitimacy of a system which would penalize him for having a couch in his yard and conduct his trial in secret.

Keene resident Nick Ryder wrote on the Free Keene blog that the courtroom at Freeman’s trial Friday afternoon at Keene District Court in Keene, N.H., was stacked with police “to try and outnumber the liberty activists.”

Judge Edward Burke had hardly arrived in the courtroom before ordering Freeman jailed for 30 days for contempt of court and the proceedings moved to another room where spectators would not be allowed to hear what happened.

When word finally filtered out of the closed proceeding, Freeman had somehow gotten two more 30-day sentences for contempt and 10 days for refusing to pay a fine for having an illegal couch. The official reasons for the contempt charges were not immediately clear.

“It was oppressive,” said Dale Everett, 40, of Keene. “They had a notice posted obviously targeting us, liberty activists, saying that anyone who didn’t stand for the judge would be ‘subject to sanction.’ So I left. I wasn’t prepared to get arrested today.”

Freeman is the owner and host of the Free Talk Live radio show, which airs six nights a week on approximately 45 radio stations nationwide. Free Talk Live is an open format show, where callers can bring up any topic, with no caller refused. The hosts bring a libertarian perspective to the ensuing conversations.

The controversy began in August when Keene housing inspector Carl Patten visited Freeman’s duplex, half of which he rents out, and cited him for a couch on his tenants’ side of the yard.

Freeman said at the time he did not believe the city had a right to tell him whether he could have a couch on his yard. The couch was decorated for Halloween, complete with a pumpkin and lounging scarecrow.

After refusing to pay the fine and being threatened with arrest at his first hearing, Freeman attempted to negotiate with the city.

Patten claimed that he cited Freeman after receiving a complaint. Freeman said he would remove the couch if given an opportunity to speak to the original complainant, “like an adult, instead of calling in men with guns.” The city refused and demanded he come to trial Friday, where he was jailed for contempt almost immediately.

“The Judge sees himself as royalty,” wrote Jim Johnson of Winchester on the New Hampshire Underground forum, “no one may question or disrespect his benevolent self.”

Code enforcement activity has been on the rise nationwide with the failing economy reducing local governments’ revenues and local bureaucrats desperately trying to take money from anywhere they can get it, using any excuse.

Free Talk Live recently interviewed one victim of code enforcement, 83 year old Ageda Camargo of La Quinta, Calif., who is being harassed by bureaucrats there over a garage which was converted into a bedroom decades ago, before she bought the house.

When the laws are unjust, as the vast majority of today’s laws are, then a court of law will dispense injustice. Freeman’s protest of the injustice done to him has not gone unnoticed. Many liberty activists have said the court’s action has motivated them to get even more involved.

“The tyranny was stifling,” Everett said. “It’s the kind of experience that makes you rethink everything. And just to be clear, I don’t mean rethinking everything in terms of backing off. Quite the opposite.”

This article was originally published at Homeland Stupidity.

77 comments
oldabatt
oldabatt

You should go visit Ian and kiss his cock ring.

oldabatt
oldabatt

I thought that Maine had uneducated hillbillies but NH also has more that its share.

oldabatt
oldabatt

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots who are simply morons”

stupidamerkin
stupidamerkin

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants”

-Thomas Jefferson

“It is bad enough that many will perish believing the BIG lie, but the real tragedy are those who, have, are now and will continue to do so, defending the BIG lie.”

R. Souza

Paul
Paul

I certainly don't think violence is inevitable SA, or necessary, or in any way beneficial, but I share your concerns.

stupidamerkin
stupidamerkin

This is common practice in these dens of corruption across the country. These criminal black robed devils hand out jail sentences like candy while their brain dead hired guns go along with the tyranny and illegal abuse. In my area I hold the record for getting jailed within 30 seconds for contempt. This madness is unbelievable.

“When armed force compels compliance with mythical laws and money is demanded for its violation, power will corrupt and greed will never be satisfied.”

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable." - John F. Kennedy

bil
bil

This is an old thread-old couch,too.Ian is getting jail time for other things now. ---bil

Jim Davidson
Jim Davidson

Thanks, Elkheart. I don't claim to have any greater insight into pantheism now than I did earlier. My purpose was not to criticise, nor to support, Ian's chosen religious faith. My main objective was to illustrate the extent to which Ron in 77401 was just a nasty, stinking, liar.

I guess that point is uncontested. Anyway, Ron has been too timid to respond. Kinda sad.

elkheart
elkheart

Jim Davidson: My understanding of "pantheist" is that it means, basically, in simple terms, that Everything that is, IS GOD. So, each & every piece of everything, including we people, is a part of God. A very near, & related word, "Pantheon", means "all the gods", of *this* religion, or faith. Like the Norse Pantheon of Loki, Zeus, Thor, etc...hope this helps...~e~...

Jim Davidson
Jim Davidson

Actually, it occurs to me Ian might believe in the Greek god Pan. You know, the god of woods, fields, flocks, goats legs, human head and torso, goat horns and ears? Or don't they teach you anything in school, Ron?

Jim Davidson
Jim Davidson

Ron, that isn't a very Christian thing to say.

I did not know that Ian Freeman was Islamic. His Facebook profile describes him (he describes himself there) as a "Pantheist." My Greek is a little rusty, but that either means he believes in all gods, or he believes that everything is a part of God. Not exactly Islamic.

As for his personal habit with regard to things he likes to ingest, how is that any of your business? Are you some sort of Prohibitionist, Ron?

The future of Keene, New Hampshire, according to Ron, is his boot smashing the face of Ian Freeman, forever.

Ron
Ron

I hope this Ian Freeman gets killed in 2009. He's an alcoholic, meth addict, AND a muslim.

Lonny
Lonny

I can't speak to what, if anything Ian did or whether it was legal but, If that was an example of justice in an AMERICAN courtroom, I've died and gone to visit Chairman Mao in commie heaven.

Bubuh
Bubuh

When will you people wake up and realize that this ain't NEVER gonna go away with WORDS.

Tyranny can only be Defeated by watering the Liberty Tree.

TO ARMS. The only way to Stop this is for Every Brave American to Physically FIGHT BACK, even if means giving of their lives.

These Tyrants who RULE over us, FEAR ONE THING. They FEAR an ARMED PEOPLE, Who Are MAD AS HELL, AND AREN'T GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE.

The Towns folk should all Storm the Court House, and take that judge and anyone one who attempts to stop them, out of their office, Tar and Feather them, and send them packing, and then Take their house by force, and give it to the Homeless Shelter.

Oh, and Tar and feathers is OK, but he will sooner or later hit another town. It would be better to put an End of his Career and Wealth before you send him packing.

Juk
Juk

I don't live anywhere near New Hampshire, but, still, .....I find this to be absolutely appalling. In this particular situation, somebody would have gotten hurt trying to put the cuffs on me. I don't care. I would have went down fighting. They would have had to taze me repeatedly and "somebody" would have gotten a broken nose. Furthermore, after the fact, there would be a massive law suit filed on my behalf filed against that jurisdiction by my very high powered attorney. I know the law. This mans' civil rights were completely tromped on like a handy wipe. Sort of reminds me of Gestapo. Just my humble opinion here, but, "this" ........just sickens me. Maybe Michigan ain't so bad after all. No, ....(lol) .....who am I kidding? It sucks here to. Our jails aren't full enough yet? This is the excuse they use for more state funding to expand the jails? I'm sorry. How pathetic.

Kyle Varner
Kyle Varner

Two lessons can be drawn from this:

1) America is becoming less and less free.

2) If you go to court, get a lawyer and sit there and don't say a word. Going to jail for contempt of court totally sucks.

Stupid Amerkin
Stupid Amerkin

Sounds like this black robed devil's ego is bigger then he can handle. Absolute abuse of power, but most likely he has been getting away with this for years. Follow the money and take him out.

Lance
Lance

Jason, I think your last comment is great. As far as anonymous internet trolls, who knows where they live, just ignore them.

You'll like this:

"Bad ideas, if they are to be rendered ineffective, must be replaced with good ideas. Herein lies a great weakness of the freedom supporters. Millions can damn authoritarianism but how few there are who can skillfully, persuasively, and attractively explain authoritariansim's opposite: the free market, private property, limited government philosophy! In the absence of this ability state interventionism thrives."

-from Leonard Read's Elements of Libertarian Leadership (1952)

I hope you do go to law school AND move to NH - the Liberty movement needs more effective, articulate people like you.

Michael Hampton
Michael Hampton

I'm happy to see so many comments attached to my work, even if the tone hasn't been exactly cordial.

That said, Jason, I expect you'll be happier in a different part of the state than Keene. I would recommend Manchester, where there's a thriving group of political activists along with the various much lower key market-based activists.

If you manage to visit, feel free to drop by on a Taproom Tuesday.

Jason
Jason

Like I said earlier I've thought about joining the Free State Project and moving to NH but the childish, overly emotional behavior I've seen exhibited here makes me not want to be associated with it. I've thought about moving to New England before anyway just because of the civil unions and marriage equality on offer in that part of the country, plus I just like moving around. I'm not scared of radicalism but if ya'll (you guys/vous/ the FSP people) are going to be radical don't just insult people for no reason as you have on this board. You guys are being counter-productive. The arguments stand or fall on their own. You can't make people accept them. Try listening to Stefan Molyneux at Freedomain Radio to learn more.

Oliver, I have been in school for a while. I've studied abroad and I've seriously considered attending law school. Just because the majority of people want a law is not a good reason for a law to exist. We live in a republic, not a democracy and thank goodness. The majority of current laws in the US are bad laws. I currently live in Arkansas and it's rather repressive socially down here (especially since I'm no longer Southern Baptist) and makes NH seem like some kind of liberal paradise from what my friends say about it (including those who are not FSP people).

The people here are coming off as whiny. They are not doing a good job of showing why this was bad on multiple levels. Our system of law and order needs desperately to be revamped. I'm sorry for some of these people who are insulting you. They need to learn that you don't make friends through insults. Please know that not all of us who are liberty-oriented are like some of the ruder people on this board. Also please remember that it's much easier to be rude on an anonymous board on the internet than in person.

I'm sorry that you feel like your town is being taken over but the FSP people chose New Hampshire because it is one of the freest places in America. Also not all of them are radicals and many of them work in the system for reform, which is what I would do if I moved there.

Oliver
Oliver

Elkheart, you think I'm Judge Burke? Ha! don't let your paranoia get the better of you. I'm just a citizen looking for amusement, and I've certainly found it.

BTW, I read here where a restaurant owner was going to offer a Thanksgiving meal, and is hoping you guys will be there to offer some insights into your freedom program. Make sure you treat the diners *exactly* as you've treated me -- the name calling, mud-slinging, the accusations, etc. You'll win friends and influence people.

elkheart
elkheart

Dale, if you weren't "prepared to be arrested", then why did you go to that crooked little court in the first place? Not trying to be nasty, or anything, just wondering....And anybody know what's up with "NHJustice.net"???....they seem to be *DORMANT*, as in , no activity since May, 2006!....PS: I heard a rumor, that "OLIVER" is *ACTUALLY*, judge burke! now *THAT'S* amazing, mister!>>>grin......

DJ
DJ

<blockquote cite="Jim Davidson">"The problem you authoritarians have is you don’t read. You don’t like literature. You don’t enjoy logic. You don’t think critically about anything. All you know how to do is obey, and object to anyone who won’t." - Jim Davidson

QFT.

Congrats, Oliver. Now you've become exactly what your diatribes rail against; a whiner whining about others so-called whining. Of course, hypocrisy and contradictions never stopped an authoritarian. Case in point: You wish no injustice done on one hand, yet on the other hand, celebrate that very same injustice by praising a judge who exercised the very thing! But due to the judge being who he is, any injustice done is rectified by his position, therefore making the very nafarious action just.

Oliver, you're begging the question about a man who did not sit down fast enough, who's friends were threatened by authorities to obey or be happily thrown in jail; an unjust premeditated act where the judge and his goons conspired to throw the whole lot into a cell.

Did you even watch the videos out there?

If so, then it's quite a dissapointment that you'd not only condone, but worship what the judge did in this circumstance, regardless of whether Burke the Jerk had previous animosities. His goon was already in full stride to arrest Ian before the judge demanded it; now that is contemptable.

By the way, you're engaging in an excersice of futility. Although, you already know this. Don't you, troll? For your information, it's only strengthening the Free Stater's resolve.

http://www.freestateproject.org/

There's your answer. Hopefully you can come back here more informed.

elkheart
elkheart

I called the office of NH governor John Lynch today. I spoke with "Mariah"(hope i spelled her name correctly. she was nice, polite, friendly, & professional.) The message i left was simple. I believe that mr. burke lacks judicial competence, & should be remmoved from the bench. in my personal case, he subborned perjury, in that he coerced me into lying under oath. he took evidence "ex parte", without disclosing that fact. he had a PRE-WRITTEN "order", that contained information not presented to the Court. If mr. burke *WAS*/*IS* a competent judge, things would have never gotten so far out of hand. step down, eddy burkah. step down howard.

Curt Springer
Curt Springer

I just scrolled up and read Oliver's comment about the judge deserving a medal. I disagree with that. I think the judge showed poor judgment, no pun intended. I don't think his punishment of Ian within seconds of opening the court is emblematic of the kind of justice I want to see in NH. But that doesn't make him evil. People make mistakes. I don't know for certain but I'm sure or at least hopeful that he could be asked to reconsider his decisions.

Curt Springer
Curt Springer

I've never met Oliver but he sounds like most any of my neighbors in Danville. When you diss him or people like him you are dissing most of us who lived here and were reasonably happy with things before some of you even knew whether NH was the upside-down right triangle on the left or the right-side up one on the right. No we are not idiots, we know there are abuses of power and sometimes government just gets in the way for no good reason.

I've already said that if my town pulled this crap on me that they pulled on Ian with his couch I would use the legal means available to me to make them back down and put them on the defensive. I'm sure Oliver would, too. There'd be none of this pathetic sniveling about being put in a cage.

LiveFreeOrDie
LiveFreeOrDie

OLIVER, it's people like you who pose the greatest threat to freedom. Why? Because you are a pathetic boot-licking coward. You are not truly free--yours is only an illusion of freedom. You are bound in the chains forged by your own fear. No man is free, or worthy of freedom, who hasn't the courage to fight for it--and, deep down in your yellow gut, you know this to be true. You mock others for their courage to stand up for their liberties, because that's what cowards do best--it is a coward's only comfort among the brave.

Crawl back into your Peter Pan world OLIVER. And, until the weight of your chains become to heavy, you can keep clapping for Tinker Bell. Consider yourself fortunate that others will continue the fight to break the chains in which sniveling cowards like you would have us all bound--indeed, misery loves company.

NHJUSTICE.NET WEBMAS
NHJUSTICE.NET WEBMAS

To turn a legal phrase, the court's egregious conduct presents a compelling argument for the JAIL4JUDGES organization. Court oversight is long overdue

Oliver
Oliver

No, ASDF (76691), I don't love the State. But I know that it exists and has power. And just as I wouldn't climb into a lion's cage and poke it with a stick and somehow not expect consequences, I won't appear in the State's offices and poke it with a stick unless I am willing and able to take the consequences without childish whining.

I am curious, though. With all the land in this country and elsewhere, why you people have decided New Hampshire is your target. You could have gone somewhere there was no local government and established your own community. Instead you decide that New Hampshire has to be the place? Why not your own home towns?

asdf
asdf

Oliver, you are an idiot.

I suggest you go read the writings of Thomas Jefferson and attempt to understand the historical roots of liberty in our country.

Oh wait you love the State, right. Just keep in mind you reap what you sow.

Oliver
Oliver

To Jim Davidson: that's quite a steaming pile of lies you left in 76659. All made up from your dank imagination. What's the matter, truth isn't on your side so you have to make up lies?

I have no desire to see any violence or injustice done to anyone, even you. Ian went to court with the decision that he would become a martyr, and he got his wish. Now all of you can moan and groan over his fate, even if he asked for it. Whether you want the system to exist or not, it is there, and if you stand against it you take the chance of paying penalties that are unpleasant. At least don't whine when you get the expected results of your actions. Rev. King and his marchers stood against the system of their time and took the results of their actions like adults.

As for you, Jim, here's a quote from one of my favorite artists.

We're being treated to the wisdom

Of some puffed up little fart

Doing exactly what I used to do

Pretentions to anarchy and art

He speaks the language of a warrior

He mounts his misinformed attack

He wears the clothes of a dissenter

But theres a logo on his back

And its a hollow rebellion

As rebellions mostly are

Its just another raging tempest in a jar

Mr. Amazing
Mr. Amazing

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!

I FUCKING HATE JUDGE BURKE HE'S A PIECE OF SHIT! I'VE DEALT WITH HIM SEVERAL TIMES AND ON EVERY OCCASION HE DEMANDS THE RESPECT OF A POPE, WHEN IN FACT HE DOESN'T EVEN DESERVE THE RESPECT OF A STEAMING PILE OF POOP.

IAN FREEMAN IS NO LONGER A FREE MAN, MAN!

Curt Springer
Curt Springer

Would somebody close to Ian please set up a legal defense fund for him. I will contribute to that.

Cosmo
Cosmo

How can we send Ian money to make his time pass better? Will Letters get to him? Best way to send things?

Jim Davidson
Jim Davidson

By the way, it appears entirely possible that this bureau-rat out-of-towner city planner slime ball is the one who made the "complaint."

http://jailedactivist.info/bureaucrats/city-offic...

She's one of those jerks who get a city planning degree and then come to a community and try to find things to do to the locals. In Crook County, Wyoming, we had one named Fred Duncan come to town. Fred was in a twist about people's septic systems, so now there are new fees and new permits for doing any thing on your land, septic or not. Isn't that great? Aren't city planners wonderful? They take such an interest in planning what to do with other people's property.

Oliver, of course, probably made a follow-up call, because he loves authority so much.

Jim Davidson
Jim Davidson

Jesse, it has everything to do with the topic at hand. Oliver thinks that he owns Ian. Therefore, having the state incarcerate Ian over a couch is just what Oliver likes. Oliver also thinks that Ian ought to be beaten up every night until Ian bleeds to death. Oliver said so.

Oliver does not want people to give metal to the judge, he wants them to give a medal to the judge. Because Oliver loves the judge, and the system, and the authority it gives Oliver to sneak around and rat out people who live miles away from him. Oliver is on a power trip.

None of us matter, because we aren't Oliver. Therefore, if we don't live in Keene, we have no interest in seeing justice done. Just because we're interested in liberty, Oliver wants to have us arrested if we come to town. That ought to be great for business, Ollie.

Oliver
Oliver

"So, Oliver, you were lying. I didn’t say anything about how to first respond. I didn’t say anything about killing anyone. I asked some questions."

Talk about a disingenuous! "Lead? At what velocity?" You rate right up there with Rush Limbaugh and his lies followed by "only kidding!" We both know exactly what you meant, but you lie to avoid your own words.

I'm not Ian's neighbor. I'm several miles away. But I find all the hoo-haw over his court appearance amusing... you folks seem to want to be victims, or perhaps martyrs, and when one of you gets your wish, well, then the hyperbole is turned on high.

Most of you don't live here, obviously, since several have asked whether Judge Burke is elected or not. If you lived here you might have a clue. But you think you can tell folks here how they should run their lives and property and neighborhoods.

For what it's worth, I would never have bitched about Ian's couch. I thought it was cute. My neighbors run their property how they wish, as do I, and none of us seems to have any issues other than with some people speeding on our road and endangering walkers. In my town, the only complaints come when trash/junk from one property started falling or blowing onto another and the individuals could not settle the issue. Or if rats or other animals became a problem because of neglect.

I have a neighbor who shoots his rifles and pistols in his back yard. In 8 years it has never been a problem, because he seems competent has a solid backstop, though he starts a little early on Sunday morning for my liking.

But hey, kids, it's been fun. Keep looking for opportunities to be victims, and I'm sure you'll find them. But if you think any of this is "new" or "original" thinking, you're very wrong, and need to read some more.

AnarchoJesse
AnarchoJesse

JimDavidson: Here are your words

Comment by Jim Davidson

November 15, 2008 @ 1:48 am

What sort of metal? Lead? At what velocity?

As usual, none of you seem mature enough to discuss an issue without name-calling. But that was completely expected.

I'm sorry-- the disingenuous tone of your post put me on the wrong side of taking you seriously. If you want this to be a serious conversation, it'd behoove you to observe academic rigors and avoid character assaults premised on conjecture and emotion. I feel no reason to give you the benefit of the doubt and treat you like an intellectual equal if you don't give us the same benefit.

Do you own real property, such as land or a home?

By what authority? Do you have a deed? Where is it from? Do any of you work for a living? Just wondering.

I can't seem figure out what this has to do with anything.

Jim Davidson
Jim Davidson

Nah, you've got Oliver all wrong. Oliver is the neighbor who ratted Ian out. Oliver thinks that what Ian does with Ian's property has an economic affect on Oliver's property. Therefore, Oliver owns Ian's property.

See? He even makes this point in 76612 where he says that Ian has caused him economic harm. Because Ian used Ian's property the way Ian thought best, Oliver ratted him out to the couch police. Now Ian is in jail and Oliver wants to give the judge a medal. Or maybe a dirty Sanchez. A real aristocrat, our Oliver.

Nytefytr
Nytefytr

Hey Oliver, it is gestapo types like you that obviously think that government actually works for you. All this man did was dress up a couch on his own property for Halloween; the city cited him because some do-gooder complainer "NIMBY" type pressed the issue. The judge was way out of line for citing him with multiple counts of contempt of court. I know for a fact that if you were in this man's shoes and treated as he was, that you would have acted similarly. There was no excuse for the judges' actions; if he is an elected official, I hope the judge finds himself jobless in the next term; his actions were unconscionable. The man cited did not think he was above the law; the judge obviously did.

By the way, are you in law enforcement? Or are you a lawyer?

Jim Davidson
Jim Davidson

I own no land. I own no property. The state gives me title to nothing. I have no income. The state gives me nothing. I take nothing from it. I do my best to give nothing to it. I have endless hours of leisure to spend annoying trolls like Oliver. With any luck, this point should penetrate deeply and either drive him mad, or make him want to go elsewhere.

Did I say that I have no wealth? No opportunities? No fun? Not at all.

One of the cleverest tools ever invented is the trust. It is also called a contract. The manager of a trust can have beneficial use of assets without owning them. The nicest thing about a contract: you don't have to register it with anyone.

Jim Davidson
Jim Davidson

So, Oliver, you were lying. I didn't say anything about how to first respond. I didn't say anything about killing anyone. I asked some questions. These were intended as a light hearted pun on "medal." You are a vicious liar and a nasty statist. You love authority and you want to give the judge a medal. Not only do you want Ian to rot in jail, you very clearly want to hit Ian yourself as hard as you can until he bleeds to death.

Right? I mean, you said you want to give the judge a medal. My inference from your statement is no wilder a reach, no further out of the realm of credibility, than your statement about me.

The problem you authoritarians have is you don't read. You don't like literature. You don't enjoy logic. You don't think critically about anything. All you know how to do is obey, and object to anyone who won't.

When they tell you to shove people into cattle cars, you will. When the government tells you that you must slaughter your neighbors, you will. When the government tells you to torture people to death, you'll do it. You'll do it obediently, gladly, and thoughtlessly. And when someone else in another position of authority comes to the death camp where you've been working shoveling bodies into the ovens, and tells you that what you did was wrong, you'll say, "I was following orders. I am a good American. A good American follows orders."

That defense didn't work at Nuremberg, and it won't work now. But you kiss the judge for us, would ya? He needs extra tongue from you.

DJ
DJ

"As usual, none of you seem mature enough to discuss an issue without name-calling. But that was completely expected." - Oliver, the internet troll.

Pot calling the kettle black aren't we, Oliver? Please, engage in more fallacies. You could feed more people then Jesus did with all the red herrings -- a couple more strawman arguments and we'll have a fire to grill'em with.

Oliver
Oliver

JimDavidson: Here are your words

Comment by Jim Davidson

November 15, 2008 @ 1:48 am

What sort of metal? Lead? At what velocity?

As usual, none of you seem mature enough to discuss an issue without name-calling. But that was completely expected.

Do you own real property, such as land or a home?

By what authority? Do you have a deed? Where is it from? Do any of you work for a living? Just wondering.

Jim Davidson
Jim Davidson

AnarchoJesse - society makes me tingle, too. No, wait, tinkle. Yeah.

Jim Davidson
Jim Davidson

Oliver at 76612, "Jim Davidson: As usual you people want to respond first with killing others. Yes, that’s what YOU said. And you wonder why more people don’t join you? Really?"

What did I say? Respond first? Where did I say that?

Given that I did not write those words, what makes you think that's how I wanted people to respond at first, decades ago when freedom was threatened by the arch socialists now in power? Many, many, many other responses have come "first."

Killing people who attack my life, my liberty, or my property is my choice. I'll take that choice when, if, as, and how I please. If you don't recognise a right to use up to deadly force to defend life, liberty, and property, then you are vile putrescence.

Zecharo
Zecharo

"Impossible. We would either need to accept one of two premises, being that the judge is either capable of calculating the thoughts and opinions of the amalgamation of individuals which you refer to as “the people”, or that the judge can possibly represent the amalgamation of individuals known as “the people” without creating a contradiction.

In the first case, it is impossible to calculate human action, and thus, it is impossible for the judge to calculate precisely the opinions of “the people.” In the second case, we have the same issue as the first, with the added fact that he can’t possibly represent “the people” for the sheer fact that “the people” have myriad of opinions."

Ditto x 1000! Seriously people if you can understand this then you can understand why government doesn't work. You can't possibly represent every individual, because every individual is unique. Much better for the individual to represent himself, and coincidentally it actually works really well for the whole. Unfortunately I'm afraid this may be beyond our statist friends.

disinter
disinter

The judge’s contact info:

Name : Burke- Edward J. Attorney

Address : 82 Court Street

Zip/Postcode : 03431

Phone : (603)357-4800

Fax : (603)357-4825

AnarchoJesse
AnarchoJesse

Jim Davidson: As usual you people want to respond first with killing others. Yes, that’s what YOU said. And you wonder why more people don’t join you? Really?

If you're going to take his remark seriously about shooting him, you're being a disingenuous prick.

Jason: Stay where you are. We don’t need or want you here. We have a society based on laws to preserve life and property. The “liberty” people tout on this site is the “liberty” to cause harm, whether it is to persons (as Jim Davidson suggested) or to cause economic harm through the “junking” of a neighborhood.

This is so full of cognitive dissonance I just don't quite know where to begin.

How about this "we" you speak of. Who is "we"? Certainly not me. And I live in New Hampshire. But let me give you the benefit of the doubt: has every resident of the area called "New Hampshire" (barring me) stated their opinion of all these matters to you? If not, do you possess omniscience? I am very much interested in hearing about this.

Moving on, you bring up "society", which makes me tingle. I love society. There is nothing better than it. But this leaves me to wonder-- how can you conflate society, which is the sum of all voluntary interactions between individuals with Statism, which is coercive monopoly on a territory? Moreover, how can you tout such a system as "protecting property" when it clearly violates property rights by creating laws that violate property rights? Indeed, the act of taxation alone is an act of institutionalized theft-- like a highway man, the government points a gun and says "your money or your life".

Finally, you say that we're violent and wish to hurt people-- but this couldn't be further from the truth. We're not the people who "serve" warrants, who demand obedience, who threaten to cart you off to a cold cell if you refuse to play by our model.

Pull your head out of your ass.

If you are in school, stay there. Perhaps you will learn that the laws we have are there because WE want them.

Again, with this "we" stuff. Speak for yourself, because I'm doubting that you have the moral or intellectual authority to speak for everyone.

The judge merely represents the people in his decisions.

Impossible. We would either need to accept one of two premises, being that the judge is either capable of calculating the thoughts and opinions of the amalgamation of individuals which you refer to as "the people", or that the judge can possibly represent the amalgamation of individuals known as "the people" without creating a contradiction.

In the first case, it is impossible to calculate human action, and thus, it is impossible for the judge to calculate precisely the opinions of "the people." In the second case, we have the same issue as the first, with the added fact that he can't possibly represent "the people" for the sheer fact that "the people" have myriad of opinions.

This is all very basic and very essential philosophy and legal theory-- but I'm sure you knew that, didn't you?

And when you violate the law, you are subject to the penalties, no matter what you claim for a philosophy. When you come here, the laws here apply to you.

There is something dubious about this line of reasoning-- you're assuming precisely which you're trying to prove. This is a tautology, and logically speaking, it's absolute horseshit. Until you can prove the legitimacy of those laws (which are premised on political philosophy! At least, supposedly) your argument here holds no water.