Jesse Arrested While Attempting Public Garden

In an act of civil disobedience in response to a recent City Council decision to grant $5000 to a private organization for a food co-op study, Jesse attempts to start another public food source in downtown Keene. He was planning to till and supplement the soil downtown into land he could plant vegetable seeds in. Jesse says he did not want money or any other compensation for his work. He just wanted the public to have access to a garden. You can read about Jesse’s plan in his own words on this recent FreeKeene post.

Fifteen to twenty minutes after Jesse arrives downtown, Lt. Shane Maxfield interferes with Jesse’s work and arrests him. Jesse is booked at the police station, and released with a $120 ticket for violation of:

Sec. 82-32. Excavations.
(a) No person(s), company, corporation, or any other entity shall excavate or otherwise disturb any surface (shoulders, ditches, embankments, swales, pavement, etc.) of any city street, highway, sidewalk, right-of-way or city owned property without consent of the public works department. Any person(s), company, corporation, or any other entity shall restore such excavation or disturbance to a condition as good as before the excavation or disturbance occurred with the expense of such restoration to be assumed by such person(s), company, corporation, or entity. The work of excavation, disturbance, removal and restoration of the surface shall in all such cases be done under the supervision of the public works director or designee.

As reported by FreeKeene’s Ian, Jesse says he will not consent to any fines, and will take the issue into the court.

28 Comments

  1. Yeah. Jesse was "digging" a couple inches deep. All utility lines should be 2 or 3 feet deep at least.

    "Damn you Jesse, take your delinquent ass somewhere else to provide food for people for 5 grand less than the city can THINK about doing it!" That guy in the green truck must work for the "feasibility" test company or something…….

  2. Great video, Nick! I've sent this out to the news release list.

  3. Did he say "kookism"?

    Maybe try going to the next city council meeting and ask if one of the members is willing to come testify on your behalf at court.

    When they ask why let them know you were arrested for trying to start a garden without permission just like they were and you need a character reference to let the judge know it's ok to do that.

    After all, they didn't bother asking the taxpayers' permission to use their stolen money for that purpose.

  4. So…. raised bed garden, anyone?

  5. Great video Nick!

    How would the cops react if you brought in a truckload of soil and used that rather than digging slightly below the surface? Either way this should make for a good argument in court, especially if you could find out how deep the utility lines are.

  6. My wife said "He did it! What a stinker!"

  7. Jesse – are you so unaware that a public garden already exists in the community? You are an absolute coward. Stop hiding behind false arguments to justify your stupidity – there really is no excuse for you. Your intentions are not to do any good at all for this community or its citizens – so don’t bring the less fortunate into your justification for your actions – that is morally irresponsible of you (oh, that’s right! I forgot! You have no morals!). Why don’t you do something constructive for the community rather than doing something that is divisive and polarizing? The result of your actions will only continue to show this community that you and your cronies are truly without a cause and aren’t worth paying any attention too. (I think that is what the guy in the green truck was saying to you all.)

    Also, stop twisting this up with the money for the feasibility study for the food coop. Did you know that the STATE gave money to that as well? Oh, and the Feds are gonna give money to it too! And guess what, if it happens, citizens are gonna give money to it as well either through their membership or in outright donations. The development of a food coop or a market in downtown Keene is something that this community has desired for years (Friends of Center City did much work on this issue with the community and merchants and it was something that came through loud and clear in the community vision) and now a group of 50 plus community members are volunteering their time and actively working on supporting local agriculture in our community and the region. Oh, and they’ve been working on this for over a year now. Of course, you and your cronies would know that if you bothered to really learn a thing or two about this place that you all have “chosen” for your “movement”. You’ll never gain ground – pun intended. Congratulations on being completely ineffective yet again and being the laughing stock of Keene! I’m clapping – but you can’t tell. An Amazed Reader has it right! Keep writing it up, Amazed! Oh, and the police officer had it right too! Yeah, KPD!!!!

    Oh, and you just spent the community’s money by doing something that requires the provision of public services, which are paid for by the citizens of this community! I think you should have to pay it back. All of you pay for those services through indirectly through rent or directly through property taxes. Aren’t any of you pissed he just wasted your money?

  8. Jesse – are you so unaware that a public garden already exists in the community?

    Why not add another on unused land? I mean, if the city can afford a shiny new co-op, surely it can afford another 20×20 garden.

    You are an absolute coward.

    At least I have the gumption to put myself out there, in public, and speak up for myself. What do you have? Raging impotence, at best.

    Stop hiding behind false arguments to justify your stupidity – there really is no excuse for you. Your intentions are not to do any good at all for this community or its citizens – so don’t bring the less fortunate into your justification for your actions – that is morally irresponsible of you (oh, that’s right! I forgot! You have no morals!).

    A.) How do you know my intent? I have only plainly stated what it is, but unless you have some sort of insight into my mind, you really can't state with any sort of certainty what you're positing.

    B.) Do you even know me? Do you know the heated discussions that arise internally with the Free Staters over moral objectivism and relativity? I am almost always at the forefront of discussion for moral objectivism, that is, morals based in reality. The reason why I so vehemently oppose the State is because I find it to be a moral abomination.

    Why don’t you do something constructive for the community rather than doing something that is divisive and polarizing?

    Yeah, because building a public garden on public land is polarizing, divisive, and not constructive. The only people with their panties in a wad are the ones who have some sort of authoritarian complex where they can't stand the thought of people being free.

    The result of your actions will only continue to show this community that you and your cronies are truly without a cause and aren’t worth paying any attention too. (I think that is what the guy in the green truck was saying to you all.)

    A.) Me and "[my] cronies"? Guy, we're not the ones raiding houses over plants, threatening to steal homes for failing to pony up cash, or arresting people over building a garden.

    B.) If we weren't worth paying attention to, you wouldn't be here, which would be a performative contradiction. It's like you yelling "I'm not screaming in your ear" in my ear.

    Also, stop twisting this up with the money for the feasibility study for the food coop. Did you know that the STATE gave money to that as well? Oh, and the Feds are gonna give money to it too!

    I haven't twisted anything– I only said that the city gave 5,000 dollars, which is my concern at the moment. I prefer to keep my activism local, and viewable, not lost into some leviathan.

    And guess what, if it happens, citizens are gonna give money to it as well either through their membership or in outright donations.

    Which is fine in and of itself, but it doesn't change that it was funded with stolen capital. On top of that, why should they have to buy memberships, if the city already paid on their behalf? Sounds like a racket to me.

    The development of a food coop or a market in downtown Keene is something that this community has desired for years (Friends of Center City did much work on this issue with the community and merchants and it was something that came through loud and clear in the community vision) and now a group of 50 plus community members are volunteering their time and actively working on supporting local agriculture in our community and the region. Oh, and they’ve been working on this for over a year now. Of course, you and your cronies would know that if you bothered to really learn a thing or two about this place that you all have “chosen” for your “movement”. You’ll never gain ground – pun intended.

    And yet, for all this "private" support, they can't seem to scrape 5,000 dollars together, and would rather pass the costs of their entrepreneurial risk onto the taxpayers, who really don't have a say.

    In a real market, this wouldn't fly– you wouldn't have government giving handouts to businesses, and the risk would be taken on the by the entrepreneurs, not a group of people in which the cost is externalized. See, for all your pseudo-intelligence, you're incredibly naive and incapable of understanding basic economic theory: If a company has the risk externalized at no cost to them, it creates two issues:

    First, the market is distorted and there is no appropriate way to read the signals of whether or not the business is viable and will last. This becomes especially difficult and disastrous because for all the public support it supposedly has, the co-op couldn't manage to rally enough funds for it via private means.

    Second, because the business is not paying out of their own pocket, they're more likely to spend "blank check" style. That is, because they're not actually using their money, they don't have an incentive to spend it wisely. Think of it like a child given a credit card by their parents– the child doesn't actually realize the amount he is spending (because it's not cash and thus seemingly infinite), and he doesn't actually foot the bill.

    Congratulations on being completely ineffective yet again and being the laughing stock of Keene! I’m clapping – but you can’t tell. An Amazed Reader has it right! Keep writing it up, Amazed! Oh, and the police officer had it right too! Yeah, KPD!!!!

    I would hardly call myself the laughing stock, because a good portion of non-Free Staters happen to think what I did was noble and just, and are questioning why someone should be arrested for gardening on public property.

    Oh, and you just spent the community’s money by doing something that requires the provision of public services, which are paid for by the citizens of this community! I think you should have to pay it back. All of you pay for those services through indirectly through rent or directly through property taxes. Aren’t any of you pissed he just wasted your money?

    I didn't spend anything– I am not responsible if the KPD arrests me; none of what occurred was self-inflicted. Moreover, the very fact that the money used to fund the institution is stolen is enough to invalidate your point of me owing them money; if anything, it's the city that owes them money. That said, I was building a garden, and I was arrested. Never do I have the intent of being arrested, because there are most certainly better things I could do with my time. But, to paraphrase Thoreau, if the only place for a peaceful man is in handcuffs, then in handcuffs is where I belong.

  9. I came up with the idea of issuance of private permits last night and called in to free talk live to bounce the idea off their minds. Ian said he liked it. I typed this one out this morning.

    You may wish to think of it as planting a seed in the minds of those that read it, chipping away at the legitimacy of governmental control and monopolization rather than any actual "permit". You could alter the permit to include such a substitute as street fairs, public gatherings, or even permission to walk down the street, if you really want to rattle the bars on some statist's cage.

    Dan

    —–

    Nongovernmental Issue Excavation Permit

    Excavation permit number __________

    This document grants to _______________ a nongovernmental issued permit to excavate on publicly owned land (read: person/group has personal stake in stated endeavour on such) at address ______________ in Keene, New Hampshire.

    There is no expiration date on this permit and person or persons named above should assume responsibility for any possible although highly unlikely damages caused by themselves to any public or private water delivery systems, electrical conduit, burrowing animal habitat or gas mains.

    It is further assumed that person or persons named above will leave no unattended firearms at site to prevent their theft or otherwise unlawful removal from dig site.

    _________________ __________

    Signed Date

    Disclaimer:

    This permit was obviously not issued by any governmental entity. What it represents is a viable and lasting alternative to the ineffective, violence backed, wasteful, and obviously stupid monopoly permit/licensing system currently in place and controlled solely by your government. It is not intended to grant any actual license or permit that would be recognized by any such governmental entity as it is well beyond the comprehensive ability of any governmental agent or agency to understand such a concept as free market competition in the realm of permit issuance. Use at your own risk.

    Once government has (and it will) dissolve into nonexistence by it's own sheer weight, any permit such as this one issued to the person or group named above, should in effect, replace that outdated and coercive miasma of permit issuance. We have proposed a better way.

  10. For AnarchoJesseisanAss,

    Wow, you really put some time into that and I thank you for revealing the ideas you live by. I"m sure you're a peaceful person in everyday life (excluding your approval of the Government's use of force, when it suits you, of course).

    Deep down, I think you truly believe you're in the right and it's THAT honesty that you can use to re-examine, to test the ideas that you have been taught (I hate to use the word "brainwash," but that is what I think I got when I was forced to go to Government Schools) and make a change for the better.

    Honestly, I just want to address some of your points, in a civilized way, with both us agreeing to keep our minds open to new thinking. Fair enough?

    First, I think name calling Jesse a "Coward" was not fair, actually dishonest (Websters: one who lacks courage or shows shameful fear or timidity). I"d hardly say a man who's willing to risk being arrested for wanting to work and create a garden, for the community to enjoy, would truly fit that defintion.

    I do understand about getting emotionally upset and saying things one doesn't really mean so I'll dismiss this point. Name calling means nothing to me.

    Next you said Jesse, "you have no morals." Jesse has a specific non violent plan backed by action to create something of value, for others, for free. Whether you like it or not, there is a set of morals behind it.

    To be honest, what you should have said was "You're Morals don't agree with my Morals and I"m mad as hell!" and that would have been true.

    Why are you so upset about this? Did you happen to notice how bad the ground "grassy area" (where there's almost no grass) looked? The way it's presently being taken care of, I would think a Communal Garden would be great fit for the spot and for a truly free thinking city. And it wouldn't cost you anything.

    But your references to "and the state will have money, and Feds will give some, and the people will"

    illustrates you have no problem using stolen money from your neighbors statewide, as well as nation wide, for your own selfish interests.

    In other words, If you can get(steal) a lot of other people's money, who don't live here and will never use it, then it will really be cheap for your gang, all made possible because of Your Shared Morality (face the fact that your camp has no problem stealing other people's money and using it for your lives).

    Honest or Dishonest?

    If you want to realize what your morals really are, take a minute to understand what you truly stand for and realize it's your choice.

    And as far as the 50 Volunteers (Who I guess, can't volunteer, unless they get $5,000, of their neighbors money?), it makes me wonder what the money will be spent on exactly. Regardless of how it's spent, the only thing important to remember on this is, the leaders (and volunteers?) of the Co-Op study want to be paid with $5,000 of their neighbors's money, in order to "volunteer" and create this study.

    I'd like to analize your next point on principle. You said The Co-Op is something the comunity has "desired" for a long time. So, if one "desires" something, for long enough, then they should get it? You can't be serious.

    So they've been working on this study for a year, but now they can't finish it unless they get $5,000 of the your neighbors' money? Makes me wonder, did they get cash last year and now they're out? (no money for lunches?)

    You finished by saying, "Are any of you pissed off he just wasted your money?" This is the most fantastic observation of your morals… The City confiscates the peoples' money and then gives 5 Grand of it to "Volunteers" in broad daylight, and you scream that a man, who finances, and who is going to work a community garden, for others to benefit, on a worn out piece of Government land, is costing you money.

    Honestly, how much effort and cost do you really think was incurred by the City of Keene to arrest Jesse? Officer's on the clock, and their job consists mostly of "fishing" (sitting around) waiting to Pounce on Peaceful people for Victimless crimes for big bucks. One rubber band set of Handcuffs and a 2 minute ride to the clink? Actually, he probably saved someone(s) in Keene a Lot of money as it was time the Cops weren't, hunting You, for $.

    Remember Jesse got a ticket for $120 so at this point, it's a money maker for the City of Keene, regardless if you want to recognize this in reality.

    Regarding the guy in the Green Truck saying "go home." Maybe next time a Liberty Lover will say,

    "Hundreds of years ago, people risked their lives to move to this country and live free. And if you're afraid of that Freedom and Responsibility, then perhaps You should move, to China!"

    This movement is about waking people up too show them how they are voluntarily sleep walking as slaves to the state. It's bound to get some people riled up (!) :) and that is the PROOF, it's working(!) and that there is a solid set of Honest Morals behind the Individuals who seek to live Free.

    Think what you want about those in this group, but always remember this, No One Agrees with Using Any Type of Violence (Guns/Physical Force, etc.) to show people Freedom. And you'll never have to worry about them voting to confiscate your money, for their own benefit (unlike you, for example).

    And so the only thing you have to fear from these Liberty Lovers, are the Ideas Themselves, because upon hearing them, your mind will automatically compare them with your own moral code and if that upsets you, then I'm afraid there's only person you can yell at (look in the mirror). But you have a choice, always.

    And as far as thinking this movement will go away, I think you'd do well to remember these words:

    You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet!

    PS: It's true. The recruiting effort is being stepped up Nationwide and as more and more people are getting frustrated with the lack of freedom and out of control Government Spending, it's looking like we're getting ready to experience numbers (new movers), like never before(!). I would think You should be happy, because it means more money that you can confiscate from others and thus be available, for your use, grab, pleasure. I'd say Count on seeing more poeple, sooner than later, moving to Keene and all over New Hampshire as Liberty is an idea whose time has come!

    No doubt it's an exciting time for all of the partipants as the several years of effort (planting) are finally starting to sew some good numbers(Stalks!)!

    PS: Did you Notice how the Officers were very calm, not alarmed, or threatened by Jesse and the group. This is proof that Law Enforcement knows they Do Not have to ever fear Free Staters as violent Activists, because they are truly peaceful people, trying to achieve more peace and freedom, in a peaceful way, just like those individuals who moved here a few hundred years ago, with the desire to Live Free (or Die, as they said).

    Well I hope this helps you understand! That's all.

    PSS: Thanks Jesse for Shocking People with the principle of Absolute Freedom. The Cop said this is "Kook tivism, not Activism."

    I'd have to agree. Sending Armed Men to arrest a peaceful Person, who's financing and creating something of value, for other's to lives, as well as beautiying a worn out peice of Government land, is certainly Kooky (unless you endorse a complete Police State of course).

    The biggest Hurdle for Freedom Lovers is that Most People, Do not have a Clue, as to what Freedom truly means, compliments of their Government Indoctrination err, Education I mean.

    But thanks to the Peaceful Activists of this momement, that's finally starting to change.

  11. AnarchoJesseIsAnAss, I have a few words for you.

    Give me liberty or give me death!

  12. Jesse and MKYORDJ,

    If either of you think that this is activism, you are seriously deranged. Getting people "riled" up in the manner in which you do doesn't bring about meaningful change, as you "peaceful" people claim. Also, the study has not started for the co-op. The MFCC has been working on the issue of local agriculture for a year – but you missed that point because your reading comprehension is just so awesome! So there is a point of clarification for you, MKYORDJ. And the money isn't stolen, so you can just stop that adolescent nonsense of a so-called "argument" for your choice of "behavior" and "words". It is apparent that you and Jesse have no idea what it means to be part of a community or to really think through how to make change happen that is positive. You just write a lot on a website that only your fellow bloggers and few of us that can't stand you guys read. You fail to see the forest for the trees. None of you are taken seriously by people in this community and the reason why people get "riled" up is because you seem to think that behaving the way you do is somehow bringing about some sort of enlightenment. Guess what guys, the US was formed this way. You want to change it, go back in time and start there, when the country and the rules were written.(Oh right, time travel hasn't been invented yet – darn! You're SOL on that one.)

    Be prepared to have more of your "peacefulness" thwarted as the community's tolerance for your behavior continues to decrease as you do more and more things that really don't have a point except to cause hate and anger towards you and your fellow "free keener kooks) – you've experienced that already by many people in this community (hence, the polarity and division that your actions invoke – a point I made earlier). Seriously, if you were making worth while efforts, don't you think people would listen? Eat your own words: You ain't seen nothing yet. So, I hope this helps you understand. That's all!

  13. And the money isn’t stolen

    Yes, it is. Unless stolen means something other than taking other people's property without their consent.

  14. Yes AnarchoJesseIsAnAss taxes are STEALING, I have no choice in paying taxes so that’s stealing.

    Now if you and people like you would stop supporting this stealing the state (and the world) would be a much better place to live.

  15. So now you are considering yourself the so-called "expert" on what is theft and what isn't? Are you for real? Do you actually believe and wholeheartedly buy into the very strange ideas that you post on this site?

    If so, why in the world would you have the gall to refer to persons much more tethered to reality than yourself as "kooks"? Is this some sort of popularity contest to you where some yokel shouting an insult out of his pickup truck window somehow counts as a majority of "votes" in the strange democracy of your little box where all the supposed truth of the world lives?

    How did you get to be the know-it-all of just what success is? Edison tried 10,000 times before he got even one working light bulb. With someone like you peering over his shoulder, he'd be branded an abject failure after just a couple of tries. The success rate of the freedom activists in New Hampshire has however been thousands of times greater then even him.

    Activists "experiment" and constantly learn from what tactics work and which ones have less success and need to be modified or abandoned. Your yardstick that you use to measure the viability of the ideas or triumphs of others, is just plain silly. I submit that it is actually YOU that is a "laughingstock" and that you are just projecting your fauilure to communicate with people or your lack of any actual facts as more proof of your failures.

    You just refuse to recognize that plain fact simply because it won't jibe with that head full of statist dogma you refuse to get rid of. When Keene area activists get hauled into court, they often refuse to pay the fines extorted from them or perform the actions they are ordered to by the judge and whether you like it or not, that is a win.

    Because of the actions today of freedom activists in NH, eventually the police will stop arresting peaceful and non-violent people. The courts will end their reign over us and politicians and bureaucrats will cease treating folks as if they are their betters. You will be one of the first people to benefit from that very positive change.

    You'll be able to enjoy it greatly unless you get some kind of jollies from listening to the sounds of your own chains.

    Dan

  16. "you do more and more things that really don’t have a point except to cause hate and anger towards you and your fellow “free keener kooks)"

    Wow! You either are a troll or you have no clue about what freedom is. What free staters do has an important point. It is to show people that things can be done on a voluntary bases not at the point of a gun. That was the point of the community garden that Jesse tried to start. If the police wouldn't have stopped him, he would have been able to start a community garden at no cost to the tax payers. That is a better solution than using tax payer money and constantly raising taxes all of the time for things like this. People who work 9 to 5 jobs need to be able to keep the money they earn, especially in this economy.

  17. So now you are considering yourself the so-called “expert” on what is theft and what isn’t?

    You don't need to be an expert to understand what theft is. Even kindergarteners understand that you don't take other people's toys without asking permission first, and that if little Johnny doesn't let you play with his toy truck, it isn't acceptable to push him over and take it.

  18. If either of you think that this is activism, you are seriously deranged. Getting people “riled” up in the manner in which you do doesn’t bring about meaningful change, as you “peaceful” people claim.

    Planting a garden got people riled up? Heaven forbid someone do something constructive without cost to the taxpayers of Keene and the intervention of the City government!

    Next thing you know people will stop paying their taxes and do things without government! Who knows where it might go from there? They might start letting blacks onto buses or allowing women to vote!

    Also, the study has not started for the co-op. The MFCC has been working on the issue of local agriculture for a year

    Completely irrelevant and a non-issue. The issue at hand is that the co-op, instead of raising the funds themselves through donations or selling products and services chose to get a handout from the city government, money that was taken without explicit consent from taxpayers (victims) through the threat of force (i.e. "Pay us or we'll cage you, take your house away or kill you if you REALLY get in our way").

    And the money isn’t stolen, so you can just stop that adolescent nonsense of a so-called “argument” for your choice of “behavior” and “words”.

    Hey, I'm sure that belief helps you sleep at night but it's a load of horse crap. Every dime the city gets, it gets from robbing people with fines and taxes. If you don't pay, they put you in jail or take your house away. If you really become a thorn in their side, they just might shoot you or taser you to death.

    Now I'm not oblivious to the collectivist mentality you've been brainwashed with. You believe "everybody has to pay their fair share" and nothing can get done without government otherwise there'll be chaos in the streets! Try learning about the Philosophy of Liberty and maybe you'll realize the wool has been pulled over your eyes and that all of that collectivist claptrap is a bunch of nonsense.

    It is apparent that you and Jesse have no idea what it means to be part of a community or to really think through how to make change happen that is positive.

    Your socialism is showing, Sir or Madam.

    You just write a lot on a website that only your fellow bloggers and few of us that can’t stand you guys read. You fail to see the forest for the trees.

    If you can't stand us (and hey, who doesn't hate the thought of people being free from coercion and violence? Feh! All the serfs should be shackled in chains. Why don't they just obey their government masters and give all the fruits of their labor to the government, right?), why bother reading the posts here?

    None of you are taken seriously by people in this community

    When one person stamps their foot, nobody cares. When a hundred people stamp their feet, the ground shakes. When a thousand people stamp their feet, the world changes.

    and the reason why people get “riled” up is because you seem to think that behaving the way you do is somehow bringing about some sort of enlightenment.

    I suppose that depends on one's capacity to be enlightened. As they said in Cool Hand Luke: "Some men ya just cain't reach…".

    Guess what guys, the US was formed this way.

    Your knowledge of history (or lack thereof) is astounding. Actually, a bunch of people in the colonies got tired of being told what to do by King George and giving him a portion of their earnings and all the other issues listed in a document you might have heard of called "The Declaration of Independence".

    That was how the U.S. began. It has since devolved back into the very thing the early Americans despised. An empire accountable to no one. A gang of thugs that can take what they will and call it justice because it's written down on paper and agreed upon by the gang members.

    You want to change it, go back in time and start there, when the country and the rules were written.(Oh right, time travel hasn’t been invented yet – darn! You’re SOL on that one.)

    You sound awfully smug and even joyous that the ideals this country was allegedly founded on have gone the way of the do-do bird. How sickening. You must be a real treat at parties:

    "Hey everybody! You all just got your taxes raised, your phone wiretapped, your retirement wiped out AND you just lost the right to a public trial! BOO-YAH!".

    Be prepared to have more of your “peacefulness” thwarted as the community’s tolerance for your behavior continues to decrease as you do more and more things that really don’t have a point except to cause hate and anger towards you and your fellow “free keener kooks) – you’ve experienced that already by many people in this community (hence, the polarity and division that your actions invoke – a point I made earlier).

    And how far are you willing to go with your anger and hate? Will you gun us down in the street? Or maybe just quietly applaud the one guy in your ranks that goes off the deep end and pulls the trigger? Will you laugh at the deceased's widow or children? Or just smile like a Cheshire Cat and think "Some murderin' needed ta be done 'round here and it got done!"?

    How ironic it is that you foment rage and intolerance while calling us the "kooks".

    Seriously, if you were making worth while efforts, don’t you think people would listen?

    Not if their jobs depend on not doing so or they're comfortable with the lifelong propaganda they've been spoon-fed, no.

    Eat your own words: You ain’t seen nothing yet. So, I hope this helps you understand. That’s all!

    I hope you aren't planning on bloodshed. You were a bit vague but it definitely sounded like a threat of violence there.

  19. To AnarchoJessieisanAss,

    Thanks for your reply and I'm Happy to address your latest "commentary." I see you ignored many points I made in my last post (for example: you called Jesse a "coward," with no evidence, you said he had "no morals," (again, this makes no sense to a rational person), but whatever.

    I truly enjoy trying to enlighten those who have never known Liberty, so let's do it!

    You made a big deal that I said the study started when it didn't. These are your words I was referring too, regarding the "study" having been started.

    "Friends of Center City did much work on this issue with the community and merchants and it was something that came through loud and clear in the community vision) and now a group of 50 plus community…"

    This is Big "point of contention" for me? Are you serious? If you say so, but this has nothing do with the main argument. Moving Forward.

    What I find most revealing (and disappointing) about your moral code is how excited you get at the thought of getting (stealing) other people's money, for your benefit/life. Your words….

    "Did you know that the STATE gave money to that as well? Oh, and the Feds are gonna give money to it too! And guess what, if it happens, citizens are gonna give money to it as well either through their membership or in outright donations"

    Oh boy, really? So if you "Independent" people can get the STATE money and then get the FED money, then by golly, people here will buy memberships and even give outright donations(!) Is this how you live your life in other areas, always looking for other people's money to grab and use for your own self, agreeing to make a small donation, only after the bulk of Other People's Money is collected?

    Questions:

    Where does the State's money come from?

    Where does the Fed's Money come from?

    Can you answer these questions so that everyone can understand exactly where you're coming from? I doubt you will, but I hope I"m wrong.

    Here's more of your words..

    "Be prepared to have more of your “peacefulness” thwarted as the community’s tolerance for your behavior continues to decrease as you do more and more things that really don’t have a point except to cause hate and anger towards you and your fellow “free keener kooks) – you’ve experienced that already by many people in this community (hence, the polarity and division that your actions invoke – a point I made earlier)."

    For starters, it certainly hints of violence and thus it fits right in with your Morality code (when people don't do what you think they should do, then they need to be forced to Obey.)

    Are you a strong believer that everyone must always Obey, submit, follow and depend on others to pay your way? It sounds like it.

    The only really Scary part about this is your conscious mind is trying to fool your subconcious mind, into believing you truly understand Liberty and Freedom, when we both know you don't.

    Deep down, we both know these Concepts are new to you, like a foreign language and you're depending heavily on everything you learned in your Government schools. I'm afraid what they taught you won't be of any value in this real world.

    Don't waste your time. You can't fool your subconcious and to trying to do so, will only send yourself deeper into the unknown.

    Say what you want and believe what you wish but always know you'll never have to fear the peaceful people of this movement, because we don't believe in the Initiation of the use of Force (unlke yourself).

    PS: If your subconcious mind would like to learn more, then I'd like to invite you to listen to http://www.freetalklive.com

    It's a "little" talk show, based out of Keene, that only has about 500,000 Listeners (But keep telling yourself no one is listening to us, because if you do, You just might be successful in living your whole life with a Closed Mind). I hope not!

    PSS: By the way, this Party really is Just Getting Started so Hold onto your Hat Brother:

    Because really, No it's True…

    You Ain't seen Nothing Yet.

    (and based on what I know about you, I can see how this idea really would scare the hell out of you and it reminds me what you were hinting at in your last paragraph, in other words…"keep it up and more force will be used on you till you're stamped out.")

    And so there's the Ugly head once again. You have to use Violence, a Gun, Physical Force to persuade people because you don't know of any other way to deal with those whom you disagree with.

    But, you could Change.

  20. To The Residents of Keene,

    I'd just like to say that those Associated with The Free State Project could also be said to be associated with the ideas that founded this country, Liberty, Freedom…the Right to Own One's Life.

    And one of the most fantastic things about this Group is – we don't beleive in Initiating Physical Force to push people around and tell them what they Can Do what they Can't Do. In other words, If there's No Victim, then there can be No Crime.

    And so the non violent Actions that we take, in order to Advance more Liberty in our Lifetimes, are so Profound that most cannot comprehend them at first, because they have never seen such peaceful actions directed at our "Masters."

    As everyone knows, the Press certainly cannot be trusted to always report fairly and honestly and have made a name for themselves, by destroying people's lives, by printing fiction, to ruin their credibility.

    If you print/say something enough times, eventually, and sadly, people believe it, even when it's not true.

    So all we are saying, is Give Peace a Chance. Instead of beleiving what others say about "Those (damn) Freestaters!" :) I say, challenge yourself to actually SPEAK TO one of us, with any questions you may have. Have an honest conversation, with an Open Mind and see where it goes. You may be surprised!

    So the next time you see or hear of us Doing Something, ask yourself, "Is it hurting anyone?" And then ask yourself if you find yourself wishing you could Initiate Physical Force against us to make us stop.

    If yes to the latter, please ask yourself Why that is.

    But Understand this; you will never have to worry about Free Staters Initiating Physical Force to make you Act, like we think you should act.

    View us that way first, 100% Peaceful and I think you'll be able to see more quickly, who we are and what the message of Freedom and Liberty is truly all about.

    Finally, May you Own your Own Life someday, along with the rest of Us! Till then, we'll keep trying to win back Self Ownership from the current Masters!

    PS: Pursuing more Liberty really is Fun and of course you're welcome to join us at anytime! :)

  21. Perhaps if you put the gun down I'd be more willing to chat? It's a bit put-off-ish.

  22. Be prepared to have more of your “peacefulness” thwarted as the community’s tolerance for your behavior continues to decrease as you do more and more things that really don’t have a point except to cause hate and anger towards you and your fellow “free keener kooks) – you’ve experienced that already by many people in this community (hence, the polarity and division that your actions invoke – a point I made earlier).

    Tsk, tsk! Such anger, statist. Please seek professional help immediately; hate and intolerance can be cured.

  23. Comment by Jasmine

    April 13, 2009 @ 11:32 am

    > Perhaps if you put the gun down I’d be more willing to chat? It’s a bit put-off-ish.

    There is no gun pointed at you or threat of such so I fail to see why you would feel such a way. Are you just not used to people carrying around firearms? That ability to point a gun at others with the intention of getting them to comply with an order, is reserved solely for government and that, Jasmine, is the whole point.

    Why would you or anyone be afraid of having a "chat" with someone who is armed and isn't a police officer nor a soldier? That simply doesn't make sense to me and I don't even own a gun. Peaceful armed people do not and will not ever scare me. Freedom activists (or "Free-Staters" if you like) haven't done anything to anyone with their guns yet you are afraid of them.

    Cops & soldiers have killed people with their guns, yet you make no mention of any fear of them. Why be afraid of those who have done no ill and not fear those that have done so, repeatedly throughout time? Would you care to explain this lapse in logic so that I may understand you better?

    Freedom activists in NH are not required to "hide away" their guns even inside the doors of the state capital, hence the "open carry" that is sorely lacking in other states.

    The courts have upheld the concept that you are the sole person responsible for your own personal safety. Were you aware that cops can't be sued for not protecting you, even if you are in "protective custody"?

    I hope that this is of help to you.

    Dan

  24. I agree with the cop on this one.

    People see this and think "kookism"

  25. I'm just reading this quickly for the first time on the way to bed.

    My sincere advice as always is to get a real lawyer and get an opinion as to whether this ordinance is actually applicable to what Jesse was doing and whether the city has the authority in the first place.

  26. OOPS! I missed this one, the first time around! Too bad the Sentinel didn't cover it…hah!… Anyway, Jesse, *DUDE*, I think this was a stupid action…Why didn't you try planting at the Ashuelot River Park?…the council just passed more city *LAWS* specifically to keep dogs out of the flower beds. The butt-ugly flower beds that nobody asked you volunteers to plant. They look like they belong in the Kings' Garden. I'd like them better if they were more natural. And *OUTLAWING DOGS* in a *CITY PARK*!?!?!? WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!? (Hey, who's gonna take your place when you retire, Brian Mattson? Hopefully, somebody who *DOESN'T* believe in OVERMOWING…Can you say "CO2 Re-uptake", Miss Paula-Ann Trollop???……) And, last but never least, Shane, *DUDE*! Are you really getting more authoritarian, or just old? I know, I know, you want Capt. Jack's job…P.S.: Jesse, I thought the rifle was most stupid…SEMPER FINE WITH ME! SCREW YOU TOO>>>huh?.

  27. Is that a rifle in his hand? What a damn idiot.

    I was all for this when I heard, but, he is an idiot. Its city land! If he did in HIS backyard no one would care.

    retards wanting to make statements without any type of common sense.

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