Free Keene

Comment by Scott in Winnipeg

May 14, 2009 @ 2:08 pm

//Disorderly Conduct and Disobeying an Officer//

If an officer ordered you to give him a blowjob and you refuse, could you be arrested for disobeying an officer?

Comment by Erik in Austin

May 14, 2009 @ 2:13 pm

probably

Comment by Keith

May 14, 2009 @ 2:14 pm

Likely Scott but the cop could get in trouble for issuing you such an order.

The dry county thing sucks. Some states let people in the back of RV’s drink but clearly not this county.

I wish them the best. Rural MS isn’t the best place to get arrested.

Comment by Scott in Winnipeg

May 14, 2009 @ 2:21 pm

I once posed that questions (the blowjob thing) to someone who said that you should always do what cops tell you to do.

Comment by Darryl W. Perry

May 14, 2009 @ 2:35 pm

What was the initial stop for? Do they have any of the “banned” symbols on their RV?

Comment by Zeus

May 14, 2009 @ 2:36 pm

Reminds me of this video.

Comment by allison gibbs

May 14, 2009 @ 2:39 pm

I was supposed to be on board this weekend with the boys.

I am flying to miss right now. Can we get a fund going? Give me a call if u can help. 4047867151 (leave a message if I am in the air)

Allison gibbs

Comment by nicolesauce

May 14, 2009 @ 2:42 pm

Anyone who is heading to the meetup/lotr happy hour in Nashville tonight where these guys wont be, let’s talk how to help!

Comment by bile

May 14, 2009 @ 2:46 pm

Since they appear to be being held overnight I’m not going to put anything up on http://jailedactivist.info just yet. Plus I really can’t work on it too much from work.

Comment by Darryl W. Perry

May 14, 2009 @ 3:06 pm

Just spoke to Allison – she’s getting on a flight to Mississippi right now, will call me with a Western Union location to send money to get the guys out of jail and hopefully get the RV back.

Comment by Weaverez

May 14, 2009 @ 3:06 pm

I called the jail, they told me that they are at this address. 5178 hight way 11 north in Ellisville 39437. The officer I spoke with said she didn’t think they had any representation yet. She also said that the charges were transporting alcohol across state lines, disorderly conduct and firearms charges. I didn’t speak with the case worker, nor was the captain there to speak about the issue. These guys need an attorney. Does anyone know of an attorney in Mississippi that might be able to help?

Comment by Mike

May 14, 2009 @ 3:15 pm

Was anyone left with the RV? Is the RV in the cops’ possession?

Comment by AnarchoJesse

May 14, 2009 @ 3:15 pm

>:(

I’m willing to pitch in some loot for a defense fund and bailing the MARV out. We should fund raise at Free Keene Fest for the boys, and help them out.

Words can’t describe my rage right now either.

Comment by Stinky

May 14, 2009 @ 3:23 pm

The Governors office is 601-359-3150
The Jones County Jail is 601-649-7502

Comment by Stinky

May 14, 2009 @ 3:24 pm

Please spread this far and wide! I had these guys at my farm, and they are great Patriotic Americans! Only a HUGE show of concern will help them!

The Governors office is 601-359-3150
The Jones County Jail is 601-649-7502

Comment by Jim Davidson

May 14, 2009 @ 3:29 pm

Transporting alcohol across state lines? First off, that law is about transporting booze for the purpose of sale. People travel across state lines with booze all the time. Second, what conceivable probable cause did they have for searching the vehicle to find booze? There’s no way a decent court (not that the USA has any decent courts) would admit evidence obtained without cause.

Should be a big black eye for Mississippi by the time this is all through. And, say, guys, if you go through Murfreesboro, Tennessee, they are also evil there. I’d go out of my way to avoid Murfreesboro. The cops and sheriff (Rutherford County) prey on the I-24 traffic. Evil thugs.

Comment by Andrew Walker

May 14, 2009 @ 3:30 pm

Firearms charges? S**t…this is sounding more and more serious by the minute and my initial “WTF?” shock is turning into anger and concern. We may have to start figuring out how to raise money for an attorney for Jason, Pete, and Adam. Hopefully we’ll have a clearer picture soon of what happened and what we need to do.

Comment by Vesuvius

May 14, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

Maybe I’m just a hopeless pessimist, but I foresaw something like this happening, and in Mississippi to boot. Do they enjoy being steretyped as witless, ignorant, oppressive, genetically deficient, knuckle dragging, evolutionary rejects? Incidents like this don’t help.

Comment by Andrew Walker

May 14, 2009 @ 3:36 pm

The number to the jail that a couple of people posted keeps coming up as busy right now — guess they are being inundated with calls. Good to see how fast the word has traveled on this!

Comment by Andrew Walker

May 14, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

So after being disconnected twice, the woman who finally answered told me “the captain says we can’t talk to anyone else about this right now, call back tomorrow” and hung up. Has anyone else gotten an answer out of someone there?

Comment by PongGod

May 14, 2009 @ 3:56 pm

I still haven’t heard what was the initial reason for them being pulled over? Speeding? Seems unlikely considering what they were driving.

Comment by AnarchoJesse

May 14, 2009 @ 3:56 pm

The captain can choke on a fat one. Keep calling. Don’t let up on the phones. I keep calling back, but I can’t get through yet.

Comment by Liberty Tiger

May 14, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

I’m in Memphis. I’m going to talk to my wife about going down tomorrow morning once I get more details. I’m going to start calling now.

Comment by Radley Balko

May 14, 2009 @ 4:07 pm

I just put out an email to the attorneys I know down there, too.

Comment by Weaverez

May 14, 2009 @ 4:07 pm

When I talked to the officer (Benjamin I think), she made it sound like it was a very serious matter. And, ya the receptionist hung up on me once to, but I think it was an accident. The officer told me that she didn\’t think they had representation yet.

Comment by Liberty Tiger

May 14, 2009 @ 4:11 pm

The phone number for the court is 601-428-3137. I’ve informed that the arraignment time hasn’t been set but the court house opens for business at 8:00 am.

Comment by hamburglar007

May 14, 2009 @ 4:16 pm

I wonder how many phone calls to the department it took until the “oh shit” feeling sunk in.

Comment by Jim Davidson

May 14, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

Okay, I am informed by @allisonzayne on Twitter that she needs a place to stay in Mississippi. Trying to find some contacts there, now. I think I’ve a couple of Boston Tea Party goers we can send her way.

Next step, contacting Second Amendment Foundation and similar groups. The firearms charge is obviously contradicted by Heller, and infringes 2nd Am.

So, it’ll be good to get after all this stuff.

The video thing which prompted the arrests and search should be upsetting to Institute for Justice, ACLU, etc. I don’t think it provides probable cause, since filming is not a violent activity. Cops need to be taken down several pegs on this crap.

Let’s make it itch and burn so Mississippi feels as bad as they did in the late 60s.

Comment by Andrew Walker

May 14, 2009 @ 4:30 pm

@ hamburglar007 — “We’ve had about 500 calls about this already” said the woman I talked to. “Well, lots of people have their back” I replied with a chuckle. I think they’re feeling a little pressure — keep it up everyone, let them know how many people support “The Motorhome Diaries Three!”

Comment by Liberty Tiger

May 14, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

The Jones County Sheriff Alex Hodge Office Phone: 601-428-3600. Cell Phone 601-422-3520

Jones County Board of Supervisors President Andy Dial 601-315-0428

Comment by Ben

May 14, 2009 @ 4:38 pm

The University of Southern Mississippi in Hattiesburg, MS is roughly 30 minutes south of where this happened. College campuses are usually a good place to start looking for any connections when it comes to housing etc.

Comment by withrow

May 14, 2009 @ 4:38 pm

Hey i stay about an hour north tell allison to give me a call at 601-480-2316

Comment by Rich Paul

May 14, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

I just wanted to let you guys know:

1) I called the jail. After being passed around like a $2 hooker by 2 ladies down there, I discovered only that the guys where being fed, and she said they looked fine. She was unable to tell me if any of the charges were felonies.

2) I called the governors office, and left a message asking him to please make sure that they guys in Jones County knew that the MIAC report had been rescinded, and that being a political activist does *NOT* make you a terrorist in America.

I got the impression from the first two women that they had received several phone calls, and that the pattern of passing me back and forth was *not* normal, but that neither of them really wanted to deal with me.

Comment by Jim Davidson

May 14, 2009 @ 4:51 pm

Allison Zayne is on the ground in Jackson, MS now.

She has a bank account and an ATM card with her, so we can use bank wire if people are oppressed by Western Union’s fees (or just hate WU as I do). I’ll coordinate as best I can – staying here, on FB, and on Twitter until she’s settled.

I messaged my three FB friends in MS. The ones in Hattiesburg and Jackson are closest. Still no couch for Allison to crash on, so please put the word out.

Comment by Update from Allison

May 14, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

I just got off the phone with Allison. She said:

She’s trying to raise money to get the guys out on bond. It’ll take $1000, I believe, to do so. Please call her if you can donate anything to this cause. This should be just a loan.

She’s also got a motel room down there for a couple of days, so she’s good for that.

— Her # 1-404-786-7151
— mail is allison@campaignforliberty.com

She is in contact with withrow (above) so you don’t have to pass on his phone # anymore.

She suggests that it’s time to *stop* calling the jail and the governor. Also, she clarifies that these guys are in Mississippi, not Missouri, in case anybody made the same mistake I did and thought they were in Missouri.

Comment by Jim Davidson

May 14, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

I’ve got one spare bedroom offer in a family home in Biloxi, about 114 miles from where the guys are. Still checking on Jackson and Hattiesburg contax.

Stopping Power author J. Neil Schulman is arranging a lawyer (Don Cates?) for Pete now. Neil says that the motorhome is a residence and searching it requires an actual warrant, not just probable cause. Also, the gun possession in a place of residence is definitely covered by Heller vs. DC. We should be able to make some real hay out of this one!

Comment by Dan Patrick

May 14, 2009 @ 5:19 pm

Just spoke with “Stacy” at the jail.

Bail has been set as follows:

$1000 each– Pete possession of beer in dry county, Adam disorderly conduct, disobeying

$1500 – Jason Possession firearm, disorderly conduct, resisting arrest

Additionally they will have to pay a towing fee to get MARV out of lockup. She did not have information on where MARV was towed, but said that you’d have to call general dispatch to get that info.

She said that she is leaving and that no more information will be given out this evening because the sheriff is “out of pocket”. They re-open at 0800 if more information is required.

Comment by Kevin Dean

May 14, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

It’s sick what these people do. Just sick.

All kinds of good ju ju to Pete, Adam, Jason, Allison and whatever crew she manages to pull from the woodwork.

Stand strong, all of you guys!

Comment by Mike

May 14, 2009 @ 5:25 pm

I just spoke with Allison and she said some has arranged and paid for 2 nights of stay for her, but now she needs a rental car. She said her “mission” for tonight is to go find MARV.

She is giving me her account # so I can send a bank wire transfer of some money to help the guys bail out.

Comment by Rich Paul

May 14, 2009 @ 5:31 pm

Whose pocket was the Sheriff in, before he became “out of pocket”?

Allison’s last name above is incorrect.

The “Message from Allison” above was me, if you want more details or whatever.

Comment by Jim Davidson

May 14, 2009 @ 5:33 pm

Looks like we’ve got a good line on a second amendment lawyer for Pete. J. Neil Schulman just got off the phone with me and sez he’s talking to Don Cates (sp?). Apparently, the motorhome is a residence, so Heller vs. DC definitely applies. The federal charge should go away pronto, as long as it isn’t a verboten weapon like a fully auto Thompson.

My buddy in Biloxi has activated his network to help out locally. He has friends all over the area. Many are good old fashioned secessionists, and they’ll be very sympathetic about the federal firearms charge. (Isn’t one of the guys from Florida? That counts with those Confederate guys. Well, you know, if you aren’t also very Jewish or very Cuban.)

Jeff and his wife have offered their spare bedroom in Biloxi for Allison, which is a hike, but it’s something. And Jeff thinks he can find someone closer, too.

I’ve e-mailed Allison for her bank wire details in case anyone hates Western Union too much, and I’ll get those to guys who contacted me on FB about it.

Comment by Jim Davidson

May 14, 2009 @ 5:44 pm

Western Union can accept funds from you for her to get in Mississippi. She says:

Western union option #1 food tiger, 615 hill st ellisville ms 29437

Send her the MTCN and amount you send by e-mail.
allison@campaignforliberty.com

Mike, what is Allison’s correct last name?

Comment by Ian

May 14, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

According to the jail, the firearms charge is not federal. Please see the update post here for the latest:
http://freekeene.com/2009/05/14/update-on-the-mhd-crews-imprisonment/

Comment by Jim Davidson

May 14, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

Nevermind, Allison Gibbs. She just e-mailed it to me.

So, westernunion.com or Dial 1-800-CALL-CASH® (1-800-225-5227) to send money in minutes. We have until 8 p.m. tonite if we want ALlison to get the money.

You’ll need her name and the address where she is, and you’ll get a Money Transfer Control Number (MTCN or something like that) and she’ll need that plus the amount you sent.

You can pay for the funds to go using a credit or debit card.

Comment by Jim Davidson

May 14, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

Not to argue with the jail, but Allison says she was told Adam is on hold with the ATF to come question him or something. Anyway, Neil is activating his network for a good 2nd amendment lawyer now.

Jeff in Biloxi has a guy Caleb in Jones county who can help with transportation. So that may be sorted.

Comment by LCL Report

May 14, 2009 @ 6:27 pm

Ok Allison, I just sent the guys $300, please let me know you got it, I have never done western union before and not sure it worked

Comment by bile

May 14, 2009 @ 6:32 pm

What receiver’s city are people using?

Comment by TC Bell

May 14, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

This is the number for the dispatcher in Jones County:

601-425-0270

Please call and report a kidnapping by a criminal organization calling themselves the Jones County Sheriff’s Department. Don’t stop calling until Adam, Peter and Jason are released from their cages.

Comment by Darryl W. Perry

May 14, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

Allison’s on her way to Ellsville, MS – she should be there, now

Comment by Jim Davidson

May 14, 2009 @ 6:53 pm

Western Union needs her name: Allison Gibbs
Her city: Ellisville MS 39437

Thanks!

Comment by Jim Davidson

May 14, 2009 @ 7:02 pm

LCL Report – hey, e-mail Allison with the MTCN number and amount. She says it isn’t there yet.

Comment by NY Fireman

May 14, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

I must say that I am extremely impressed by what seems like a good organized network of patriots. good job folks!

Comment by Jim Davidson

May 14, 2009 @ 7:28 pm

Thanks NY Fireman. Condolences on all the losses in 2001. (Buddy of mine, John Perry, police officer, died when one of the towers collapsed.)

Latest is, someone great named Antonio sent in $1,000. So it looks like two are out tonight. More to follow.

Jeff Powell in Biloxi helped me find a lawyer in Jackson who is going to help as he can.

Comment by bile

May 14, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

Glad she got it. Hadn’t heard back.

Thanks Jim for being on top of everything and everyone else helping out.

Comment by Mike

May 14, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

Great efforts guys…if there is anything liberty lovers up in Canada can do, let me know.

Comment by Jim Davidson

May 14, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

Thanks Bile, it has been a pleasure. Also very gratifying to see everyone leaping into action.

And we have to get to work on Sam, too!

Comment by bile

May 14, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

Keeping Sam’s jailedactivist.info up to date requires a lot of time in and of itself.

Comment by Jim Davidson

May 14, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

Well, we gotta get him out before he dies of starvation, I think. Or make the judges pay for judicial murder. Grr.

Thanks for keeping things up to date on Sam. And the habeas corpus writ is a good thought, I missed that in time to call the judge and speak for him, but will do so tomorrow.

I just got off the phone with Michael Cory who is a good freedom-oriented lawyer in Jackson, MS. He says the county they were arrested in isn’t dry!

I mean, sh!t. Cops charged him with beer in a dry county and they don’t have a dry county in the state, Michael says. For crying out loud, talk about false arrest and false imprisonment.

Who wants to buy the sheriff’s house after Pete and the guys get it in civil suit judgement? lol

Comment by Rob Andrews

May 14, 2009 @ 9:09 pm

The Libertarian Party of Mississippi is also all over the case, as the party Chair and one of the Communication Director’s staff were expecting to have breakfast with the guys first thing this morning and were concerned when they didn’t show.

I’m the Communication Director and just now learned of this as I’ve been out of pocket myself, so the Chair is overseeing everything personally.

Mississippi does have dry and partially dry counties, and the laws in some of them are very strict.

I don’t have other info at the moment that would be of immediate use.

Comment by Ben

May 14, 2009 @ 9:23 pm

Tell Michael Cory to go back to law school. Mississippi does have many dry counties. In Jones County the city of Laurel is wet; however, the county outside the city limits is dry!

Comment by bile

May 14, 2009 @ 9:51 pm

http://twitter.com/allisonzayne

All 3 are coming out¡!@jdtalley @peteeyre @ammueller! All under 1000! Now we have to get marv!

Comment by Madison Hamilton

May 14, 2009 @ 10:02 pm

I trust everyone is cross-posting to appropriate groups where they are known. This may be a long weekend.

Comment by Darryl W. Perry

May 14, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

If anyone knows the WHOLE story – please send it to me dwp2016@dwp2016.org – I’m writing an article for the Mountaineer Jeffersonian about this incident.

Comment by Vesuvius

May 14, 2009 @ 10:38 pm

This is amazing! I wish I wasn’t down to the wire right now so I could help out. I’ll bet these cops are aghast.

Comment by hoppinglark

May 14, 2009 @ 11:18 pm

I can’t afford to help financially, my hours are constantly be cut back at work.

But I faxed the sheriff’s office a copy of the bill of rights.
I think flooding the fax machines of every bureaucrat’s office in Mississippi is the best way for us broke guys to help.

Comment by Jim Davidson

May 15, 2009 @ 12:21 am

Great news, the guys are out. JD Talley was pepper sprayed and choked for “refusing” to give ID.

It is going to be a long weekend and many more days to get these charges dismissed, get the guys back on the road, and initiate a proper set of lawsuits against these brutal thugs. This sort of police brutality must not be allowed to stand. This civil asset forfeiture scam that makes sheriffs into highway robbers must be ended.

We have a great opportunity to make a public spectacle of these goofs, and get the same sort of highway scams shut down all across the country.

God bless you all who helped. There is more money at Western Union for Allison to pick up in the morning, and I think the guys will need money for lawyers and such.

I did find local contacts for lawyers there, and Neil Schulman has activated his net for some big time 2nd Amendment and civil rights lawyers. I smell a fight!

It’s been an amazing afternoon and evening. I am so proud and grateful for all the liberty enthusiasts who dropped everything, sent money, stayed in touch, made it all work.

With this kind of network, we can make a huge difference in our lives. I want to focus tomorrow on Sam’s case, so he can get some food before he dies.

Comment by hawkeye

May 15, 2009 @ 3:28 am

Find out the names of the Comi Cops,and tell their Mother…and children what their parents are really doing for a living…being Anti American and not honoring their Oath…like a NAZI

Comment by Mike

May 15, 2009 @ 6:49 am

Find out the names of the Comi Cops,and tell their Mother…and children what their parents are really doing for a living…being Anti American and not honoring their Oath…like a NAZI

That is an awesome idea: peaceful ostracism! And bring it to the aggressors’ homes. If a stranger (or many of them) told me that my spouse was corrupt, I’d want proof, though, not just anecdotes.

Comment by Anthony Powell

May 15, 2009 @ 6:51 am

Carl Ford, an attorney in Laurel may be interested in helping the guys.

Comment by BJ

May 15, 2009 @ 7:38 am

What you all fail to understand or continue to dance around is that the police are the enemy of freedom! They are criminals, violating the highest laws of the land!

As much as most of you refuse to see the only option we have if we are to remain free, the truth is that the guy who killed the traffic cop a few weeks ago had the right idea.

Police throughout the Fascist States of Amerika continue to imprison and murder innocent citizens, because they are trained to do so! When is enough, enough?

Until we rise up and make them fear the citizens of this country, our brethren will continue to be subjected to outright tyranny.

Revolution Now! Independence Forever!

Comment by mark edward marchiafava

May 15, 2009 @ 8:18 am

What was the basis for the original stop?

Comment by Yizmo Gizmo

May 15, 2009 @ 9:12 am

Be careful getting too much of a city-slicker attorney. I got one on hick Marion Co FLA
and the judge insulted him.
It’s all about humility and penitence –not “justice” –in these hick towns.

Comment by Sue in Bellevue

May 15, 2009 @ 9:18 am

66yr old grandmother travels alone in class b (small) motorhome & hopes to learn what is legal for self defense. sellor told me to keep a gun as hoodlums who take motorhomes don’t leave witnesses. Are tasers legal for us sheeple?
My stepfather carried a shotgun & one ‘pump’ was enough to send any troublemakers running from the campsite. I was told that even carrying a shotgun (unless broken down) in a motorhome is illegal in many states.
I’m too old to spend the night in jail without my CPAP. lol..
Free lodging may be available on http://www.couchsurfing.org/ or maybe we should create a liberty lovers alternative to their site.

Comment by Henry Bowman

May 15, 2009 @ 9:53 am

Unless the laws have changed in the past year, in Mississippi it is legal to carry a loaded firearm either concealed or open in a vehicle, as long as you are 21 or older. I’m not sure just what firearms charge was brought, but possession should be legal. I’m assuming that these guys are over 21.

Comment by Austin P.

May 15, 2009 @ 10:50 am

I found out that the guys are having several of the charges dropped. Nothing confirmed yet, but we have photos of the docket where they were booked. The arrest reports will be coming out soon.

Comment by Esther Cook

May 15, 2009 @ 10:58 am

I bet all charges have been dropped by now, regardless of what crimes the 3 might actually be guilty of. I am assuming that the cops have any sense, that’s all. They have a white hot potato and surely they have dropped it.

Now, the sheriff has a chance to become a real hero. See Alan Stang’s articles if you don’t know what a sheriff can be.

Most cops are very concerned about Martial law and 80% oppose it. Empower that kind.

I suggest this sheriff get guns in the hands of the Honest by opening his shooting ranges to new gun owners (past 12 mo.) and nongunowners of “legal” age and no criminal convictions and let them get their fist lessons free. Give away seized guns as prizes.
That would pull his name out of the mud.

Tell YOUR local sheriff, too.

Comment by mark edward marchiafava

May 15, 2009 @ 11:03 am

AGAIN: what STARTED all this?

Comment by Austin P.

May 15, 2009 @ 11:10 am

The tags on the van were paper and the deputy couldn’t read it to see if it was expired. He pulled them over as a routine stop to check tags.

Comment by Chuck

May 15, 2009 @ 11:19 am

I guess the Free State of Jones ain’t so free!

Comment by Matt

May 15, 2009 @ 11:47 am

This is B.S. The police state must stop!

Comment by Zeus

May 15, 2009 @ 11:51 am

Wouldn’t it be nice if dozens or even hundreds of like-minded strangers had your back when the state comes after you? Move to New Hampshire as part of the Free State Project and make it happen.

Comment by FlexYourRights

May 15, 2009 @ 12:57 pm

While folks are waiting for news, it might be a good opportunity to take a refresher course on surviving police encounters.

Take 45 minutes and check out:
BUSTED: The Citizen’s Guide to Surviving Police Encounters

Comment by Ian

May 15, 2009 @ 12:59 pm

UPDATE:

http://freekeene.com/2009/05/15/the-motorhome-diaries-crew-to-appear-on-free-talk-live-tonight-at-7pm-et/

Comment by Keith

May 15, 2009 @ 2:29 pm

This article failed to get a lot of DIGGs; however, we have a new chance. Let’s promote the new video on Digg to really spread this story around, http://digg.com/politics/Ron_Paul_interviewers_arrested_in_Mississippi

Comment by bernard b carman

May 15, 2009 @ 3:24 pm

first, i must say that i’m very impressed how effective the efforts of this network of patriots has been – HATS OFF TO YOU ALL!

if i believed in the traditional belief of “hell”, i would imagine there would be a very special place for governing authorities who abuse their positions of power in such a way.

does anyone involved in all this have any connections with the Freedom Watch show with Judge Napolitano? this incident might be deemed worthy of getting on the show to show more Americans how the Neo-Amerikan police state continues to foster an environment for a total lack of accountability among its governing authorities to Constitutionally limited government to the rule of law.

i will at least contact Trevor Lyman of Break the Matrix to make sure that he has at least heard of this incident.

Comment by voice of reprehension

May 15, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

i get such a pleasure from reading posts like this. it makes me realize just how lucky i am not to be such an intellectually challenged, impressionable person. i would like to say first, i believe that many of the ideals and philosophical views of the libertarian party are necessary, considering the current state of the nation. however, the people propagating this highly subjective and irrational attack on competent and intelligent law enforcement officers have truly misplaced their discontention. being someone with an objective, factual understanding of the situation, unlike most of the other bloggers here, there has been no miscarraige of justice on part of the officers. if someone disagrees with the arrest of these guys, the discontention should be directed toward the legislators and representatives that those very people have elected. this is not a case of 1960’s-civil rights violation-style policing. this is a case of people with no rational understanding of the legislative or judicial processes attempting to purport biased accounts of injustice on behalf of the semi-intelligent people that have such an authority over their feeble and impressionable minds in an effort to discredit some of the truly honest and equitable law enforcement officers that are becoming a rarity in today’s perverse society.

Comment by bile

May 15, 2009 @ 9:54 pm

What part of the situation was an example of “truly honest and equitable law enforcement officers?”

Three men were arrested, jailed, one pepper sprayed and choked, for what? For wanting to videotape their stop? For refusing ID when it wasn’t necessary? For having a beer? Why did they delete the footage from the camera? Why’d they trash the RV?

Comment by Paul

May 15, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

Well, I can agree with one thing you say, Mr. Reprehensionible: “truly honest and equitable law enforcement officers … are becoming a rarity”. Indeed, as evidenced by the behavior of these “officers” yesterday.

-1, however, for the Nuremburg defense. “We were just taking orders … talk to our superiors”. As if you are only some sort of tin soldiers — tools of the state, rather than what you really are: adults fully responsible for the morality of your own individual actions and choices.

Oh, and lol at talking to politicians as an effective method of change …

Comment by Zeus

May 15, 2009 @ 10:31 pm

the discontention should be directed toward the legislators and representatives that those very people have elected.

Most of us have stopped playing that game. The only winners are the parasites that get elected. Whether they have blue spots or red doesn’t change their nature.

this is a case of people with no rational understanding of the legislative or judicial processes

No, this is a case where people have had enough of your unjust and immoral system and are now saying “No” in ever-increasing numbers. If you want to continue living this way, be our guest. The rest of us want no part of it. And no, we’re not leaving.

“Now waitjustaminute! What do you mean you want no part of it but you’re not leaving? If you don’t leave, then you consent!”.

We have just as much right to be here as those of you who want to live as slaves (or those who seek to become slavemasters).

This isn’t about us. This is about you. All you have to do, is just stop aggressing against us. Stop trying to control us. Stop stealing from us. Stop caging us when we’ve caused no harm to others or their property. Stop assaulting and killing us.

We don’t want to play your game anymore. A game where no one wins and the only goal is to cause others suffering and pain.

So just stop.

That rational enough for you?

Comment by Jim Davidson

May 16, 2009 @ 2:23 am

“competent and intelligent law enforcement officers” do not exist.

There are no competent law enforcement officers in Jones County Mississippi. There are highwaymen who rob the motorists traveling by as often as possible, using lies, brutality, and outright theft. The civil asset forfeiture laws are disgusting, and every law enforcement officer who uses them to seize property is evil.

By their fruit shall ye know them. The law enforcement officers who pepper sprayed our friend are evil, and should burn in hell (as soon as possible) for what they did. And you, “voice of reprehension” are a sycophant for law and order idiocy.

I don’t care what the law says, if it says that I’m not a free and sovereign individual, the law is wrong. Indeed, as Bastiat noted, it isn’t really the law, it is just some mala prohibitum nonsense cooked up by legislators. And enforcing such rules is evil.

If they told you to kill me, would you? Of course you would, because you cannot avoid doing what the legislators tell you, right? Wrong. You have a choice. You just don’t want to bother taking it.

Acting on your own accord would require too much thought. So you pass, and say, “well, harumph, you shouldn’t complain about pigs doing our jobs, just tell the legislature to change the laws.”

So, here’s my thought. You are a law enforcement officer, or pig. And that means that what you say is evil, what you think is evil, and what you do for a living is evil. You take stolen money in your pay.

That’s what I think of you. I think all law enforcement officers are pigs because they beat up people like me. And always will.

Which is why, in the end, the bureau-rats, including the law enforcement officers, must be tried, convicted, and hanged in the entrails of the bankers and politicians. Kisses.

Comment by voice of reprehension

May 16, 2009 @ 6:40 am

hahahahahahahahahahaha!!! folks, sorry i disturbed your philosophical acid trip. i truly did not realize the extent of irrationality permeating this forum. i will not waste my time here any longer. i think i have proved my point already, evidenced by the few remarks subsequently posted. i wish you all the best of luck in your pursuit of “liberty”.

Comment by AnarchoJesse

May 16, 2009 @ 10:07 am

Considering your arguments and reasoning are about as shallow as a puddle, we’re not really facing a major loss with your departure.

That said though, I was curious to know how you came about your “being someone with an objective, factual understanding of the situation,”– are you one of the arresting thugs? One of their lackeys? Or do you enjoy making up shit as you go along?

Comment by DocMoose

May 16, 2009 @ 12:29 pm

Voice of Reprehension will change his tune when the day comes that he’s pulled over and abused. Unless of course, he himself is a Copper, which sounds like a distinct possibility.

Comment by Lpviper

May 16, 2009 @ 1:04 pm

Voicethatsreprehensible: Wow, dude. wow. You frighten me

Comment by Jim Davidson

May 16, 2009 @ 1:59 pm

“Tell Michael Cory to go back to law school.”

I would, Ben, but his head is between your wife’s thighs and she’s moaning so loud, I don’t think he can hear me.

If there is a municipality in the county which is wet, it isn’t a dry county. Your pretending that it matters what you filthy despicable Prohibitionist authoritarian scum say doesn’t improve things.

In fact, the right of travel, the conflict of jurisdictions on the interstate highway, and the 4th Amendment right to be safe in his residence (motorhome is a residence) and his 9th Amendment right to keep and travel with beer were all violated by the jackbooted thugs. I hope you are one of them, Ben, and that when you find me, I get to hurt you real bad.

Comment by Black Prince

May 17, 2009 @ 12:18 pm

I live in Jones County, Missisippi (Laurel). One of the things you DO NOT DO anywhere in the south, ESPECIALLY Jones, County, Mississippi, is be a smart ashe to any law enforcement officer. You be respectful and civil and if you get smart, you go to jail and that is where you ought to be. If you get too smart, you’ll get your ashe beat and THEN go to jail. If you reach in your pocket after you are under arrest, you’ll get killed. You wise ashes can get away with that where you come from, but you are NOT going to get away with it in Jones county. Suck it up because you do not have a choice in Jones County. If you don’t like it, stay the hell OUT of Jones County and we’ll just all get along fine. But if you come here and get wise, hee, hee, you’ll have time in jail to try to figure out where you went wrong.

BTW, the jail does NOT have color TV and the TV’s are all tuned to the local Christain channel and can NOT be changed by inmates. Ask me how much I care what you think about that.

Comment by Zeus

May 17, 2009 @ 1:03 pm

I live in Jones County, Missisippi (Laurel).

My condolences. If you need help escaping the fascist hell you’ve described, I’m sure there are some good folks nearby that might be able to spring you.

Comment by Black Prince

May 17, 2009 @ 1:13 pm

A man seeking to join the Jones County, Mississippi Sheriff’s Department is being interviewed. The Deputy doing the interview says: “Your qualifications all look good, but there is an attitude suitability test that you must take before you can be accepted.”

Then, sliding a service pistol across the desk, he says:

“Take this pistol and go out and shoot six smart mouthed yankees driving motor homes, six meth dealers, six Muslim extremists, and a rabbit. ”

“Why the rabbit?”

“Great attitude,” says the Sergeant. “When can you start?”

Thanks Zeus, but I’m happy right where I am. But I’ll admit that Jones county isn’t for everyone, thank God. Woosies don’t cut it here. This is a tuff part of the counrty where we still make you back up your words and beat your ashe if you can’t. EVERYBODY I know around here carries at least one pistol and some of us carry two of them. People here behave and are respectful of each other because of that and it’s the way it should be. Pulling out a camera and smart mouthing the sheriff’s deputy AIN’T the smartest thing you can do on any given day. It can cause you a LOT of problems and usually will.

Comment by Zeus

May 17, 2009 @ 1:33 pm

Well, as long as they’ve still got justice for rabbits there, it’s all good.

Maybe if you close off the roads, hapless strangers won’t keep wandering through Hooterville by accident.

Comment by Black Prince

May 17, 2009 @ 2:06 pm

Maybe if you close off the roads, hapless strangers won’t keep wandering through Hooterville by accident.
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Maybe hapless strangers ought to mind their manners when they wonder off the road in Hooterville and for SURE, they had dam well better do it in Jones County or they are going to JAIL.

This is easy: be respectful and answer the questions and provide identification to law enforcemenbt when it is requested. If you don’t do it, if you bring out cameras, EXPECT to pay the price for being a wise guy.

If you disagree with the way you are treated, obey the instructions and go through the process requested by the law dogs. DO NOT mouth off during the encounter. THEN, after the encounter, make a formal, written complaint with the sheriff. Send copies of your letter to the county prosecutor, the local newspaper (Laurel Leader Call) and the local TV and radio stations.

The sheriff does NOT WANT his officers being rude or disrespectful to the public that he, and they, serve. It isn’t good policy nor is it good for his re-election prospects. He knows his officers and he’ll know if they have a habit of this kind of behavior and if they do not and he WILL TAKE whatever proper action he thinks is required in the situation because it is in his best interest to do that.

But if you crack wise to his deputies, he isn’t going to have any sympathy for what happens to you next, nor should he have any. You have the right to remain silent, to have an attorney appointed, any statements you make . . . yada, yada. But you also have the LEGAL OBLIGATION to obey the lawful orders or request of the officers. It’s a two way street and many law dogs these days are short on patience with wise guys. And come to think about it, so am I.

Comment by bile

May 17, 2009 @ 2:12 pm

But if you crack wise to his deputies, he isn’t going to have any sympathy for what happens to you next, nor should he have any. You have the right to remain silent, to have an attorney appointed, any statements you make . . . yada, yada. But you also have the LEGAL OBLIGATION to obey the lawful orders or request of the officers.

Was telling Adam to turn off his camera a lawful order? Was deleting the footage and removing evidence of an encounter a legal action? What wise was being cracked? What evidence do you have that they acted out of the realm of their constitutionally protected rights?

Comment by Zeus

May 17, 2009 @ 2:34 pm

What if the orders they give aren’t lawful? Then what?

As for obligations, legal or otherwise, how did they get that obligation? Did they sign a contract promising to obey? Because if they did, they’d be in breach of that contract and I’d agree. But if there’s no contract or agreement of any kind, there’s no obligation to do anything. Then it’s just about angry badge-heavy men pointing guns or tasers at you and spraying you in the face with pepper spray because “you ain’t respectin’ their authoritah”.

That ain’t about The Law. That’s about power, control and Ego.

Comment by Black Prince

May 17, 2009 @ 2:46 pm

What evidence do you have that they acted out of the realm of their constitutionally protected rights?
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It isn’t up to the law dogs to prove they acted correctly. It’s up to those arrested to prove they did not. Right now you have defendents saying that they were abused. Maybe they were and maybe they were not. It’s a he said, they said situation and that is what judges and juries are for.

I can tell you if this comes before a Jones County jury, they are going to believe the law dogs. Jones County juries know the sheriff’s department does not go around picking on people. They know people who let their mouths over load their ashes ALWAYS claim police brutality. They ALWAYS claim their rights were violated as an excuse for what they did.

That may fly on either of the coasts of this nation, or in Washington D.C., but it isn’t going to fly in Jones County. We’ve heard it all before. We didn’t believe it then and we don’t believe it now.

These guys came through here with an attitude. For whatever reason, the law dogs pulled them over. They made wise cracks to the law dogs, refused to provide proper indentification, and pulled out a camera. The law dogs in Jones County have no patience for that, and none of the rest of us who live here do either.

If you mouth off here, you had better be able to back it up or somebody is going upside your head with something hard, or, if they just don’t want to get the uniform mussed up, they are going to hose you down with mace. They have ways to adjust that big city bad attitude. Just don’t come aroung here crying about it when it happens. We don’t want to hear it.
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“As for obligations, legal or otherwise, how did they get that obligation?”
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All citizens have the legal obligation to obey lawful orders by law enforcement. Where have you been? You are obviously the product of a public school eductaion. Mississippi schools teach pupils to obey the law. If your buddies had been taught that, and obeyed that, they wouldn’t be in the pickle they are in now. Freedom has its limits. You can’t go around telling law dogs to get bent and if you do that in Jones County, somebody is going to get bent and it is probably going to be you.

Comment by bile

May 17, 2009 @ 2:58 pm

Seems to me obvious that removing evidence of an accused crime is an unlawful act. It’s at least immoral.

The only attitude they came through was that government officials are often abusive. Looks like Jones County officers proved them right. Most of the charges were dropped and those that stand are there simple because they need to justify arresting them in the first place.

Comment by Zeus

May 17, 2009 @ 3:03 pm

I see your “law dogs” and raise you a trio of “freedom piranhas”.

Comment by Black Prince

May 17, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

It’s always a SUPRISE when the real world jumps up and smacks you in the mouth isn’t it? One of the best places outside of Texas that I know of that will do that is Jones County, Mississippi, but you can say that about almost ALL of the old south.

Look fellas, I wasn’t there and don’t know the facts, but neither were you. But I live here and I know some of the sheriff deputies. I go to church with two of them. They are nice guys. Both are black and THEY KNOW all about police abuse because they lived under it when Jim Crow was around here. They will BE THE LAST ONES to do anything like what is aleged here.

I have been stopped by all of the various law dogs from the highway patrol (really you don’t want to mess with in Mississippi) the Sheriff’s Dept, the constable and the city cops. All have been civil and even polite. But I do what they say and am not argumentative. I don’t disrespect them and even though I am usually older, always address then as sir or mamm. It is expected in the south and it is common courtesy here for everyone no matter who you are.

When I travel into other states and get pulled over by their law dogs, I am ALWAYS super courteous to them. Just show them that you are who you say you are and that you are doing what you say you are doing. Don’t get anxious or uptight because that is an immediate profile thing that will trigger their attention on you. And DO NOT get out with a dam camera!!

This is all common sense to those with any brains at all. It’s just that this isn’t common sense in many parts of our nation any more. If you don’t have any common sense, you ought to stay home.

It’s your call, but when you get smart with the law dogs around here, you just handed them the ball so be ready for what comes next. But if I were any of you, I would either avoid Jones County, or be nice when I am there. Oh, and even though it is a photogenic area, leave the camera and any attitude in the motorhome and get out with your ID in your hand because that is probably the first thing they are goiong to ask for. If you have it, most of the time you are home free. if you don’t have it or show it, get ready to go down town to the jail..

Comment by Dan Patrick

May 17, 2009 @ 3:51 pm

I don’t see where any of the MHD guys were being impolite. In every video of Pete’s interactions with police officers, he’s always been respectful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PDqIMvJXdY&feature=related

If the guys were planning on being rude to the officers then why would they have insisted on filming the encounter to “make sure everyone is accountable”?

Black Prince, I know you’re new here but we’re all experienced in the realm of law, politics, and action. We’re choosing to take these actions because we know that electoral politics and the sham of a justice system have failed. When the good officers of the South were ordering blacks to sit at the back of the bus and standing in the way of black students from integrating, should they have just prostrated themselves before the law? Or was it heroes like Martin Luther King Jr and Rosa Parks that stood in defiance of the law that catalyzed social change?

Comment by Paul

May 17, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

Ah yes “Black Prince”. You’d better bootlick the cops, not stand up for any of your rights, and be a good little serf, otherwise you’ll get shot or thrown in a cage. That’s very American of you. Liberty, freedom, rights? Who needs them?

Sounds like a bunch of violent cowardly scumbags you have for cops.

Apparently in your disgusting distortion of Christianity, if someone tries to videotape you, or has a beer can, you throw them in a cage, if someone doesn’t put their own hands behind their back for you, you pepper spray them, and if someone reaches into their pocket, and has an accent you don’t like, you shoot them.

Real Christ-like attitude you have there. I can just see Christ pepper spraying someone because they didn’t say “sir”.

Myself, I don’t pepper spray people, throw people in a cage, or kill them, when they don’t lick my boots. You see, I respect the rights of my fellow man. I actually want to live in a free country, and have no interest in being a petty tyrant, like your cops.

If it were up to you, we’d still be boot-licking the redcoats. “Yes Mister Redcoat. Whatever you want Mr. Redcoat! You know I do whatever my masters tell me, Mr. Redcoat. I just love how you shoot anyone who gives you lip, Mr. Redcoat”

Comment by Black Prince

May 17, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

Black Prince, I know you’re new here but we’re all experienced in the realm of law, politics, and action. We’re choosing to take these actions because we know that electoral politics and the sham of a justice system have failed. When the good officers of the South were ordering blacks to sit at the back of the bus and standing in the way of black students from integrating, should they have just prostrated themselves before the law? Or was it heroes like Martin Luther King Jr and Rosa Parks that stood in defiance of the law that catalyzed social change?
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That was 40+ years ago. That was BEFORE most of you were born. I am 67 years old and as black as the inside of a cow. What do you think I have been doing all those years? Do you think I am not experienced with the law?

I worked for Charles Pickering when he was Jones County Prosecutor. I carried a gun and a badge in Jones County for 27 years. I LIVED those things that you think you know all about and I saw what the politicians did to the most upright, honest, good man I’ve ever met when he was appointed to the 5 Th Circuit Court. They lied about his record and no one in the media went so far as to check it out to see the truth.

His life, and the lives of his family, was in constant jeopardy for YEARS in Jones County because of what he did to right the wrongs being done in civil rights. Sam Bowers, whom I also knew very well, and the KKK had an open contract on him and he NEVER knew when he drove down some county road that a load of buckshot wasn’t going to come through the windshield. His cattle were shot standing in their pasture and his prized bird dogs were poisoned. He and his family received constant threats and all hours of the night.

It wasn’t the black people who changed the south and Jim Crow; it was white people like Charlie Pickering because they were the only ones with the power to do it. If it were not for MANY white men all across the south like him, we would still have Jim Crow. Martin King gave it national attention, but it was men like Pickering that actually did the dangerous work in county courthouses all across the south and every one of them paid a high price for doing it. Charlie is STILL paying a high price for having done the right thing under great duress and he get’s absolutely no respect for it. It’s no wonder more people don’t want to stick their necks out to do the right thing if these men are an example of how the public rewards them for doing it.

Don’t lecture me on the law you arrogant know-it-all. That is the problem here: you guys think you know all about this and what happened. You are young Turks and you are invincible. There is nothing like coming face to face with a Jones County law dog in any if their versions, to wipe that smirk off your face and most of them are going to be black now days so don’t even think about yelling discrimination or police abuse. That dog will not hunt here anymore. It’s only in places like you are obviously from who don’t know what has changed here. Don’t even come around here trying that worn out reference to the bad old south and all the wrongs done back then. It is long gone and everyone here knows it except you.

I’ll leave this discussion with this, you guys should either stay out of the south, or you should learn some manners. Manners and courtesy are the grease of civilization as my grandmother used to say; they make things work smoothly, and she was right. Manners will get you much further than an attitude any day, and manners may help you avoid going to jail.

Paul, I will pray for you. But I am not going to be held responsible for what you do; only for what I do. YOU are going to have to answer for what you do and I am confident that God will judge you fairly.

Comment by Paul

May 17, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

Prince,

I appreciate your role in segregationist south. I am grateful for your efforts, and the efforts of all who worked to end the evil of jim crow. We all owe them our thanks, for wiping that awful stain from this country. I am always impressed with people who risk their personal safety in order to stand up for their rights, and fight injustice, like MLK, rosa parks, and many others throughout this country who have not received their level of recognition.

I agree that each person is responsible for what they do. What I am saying is that it is immoral to use violence against someone because they are disrespectful. Also, many of the things you refer to as disrespectful are not so at all — videotaping for example. Public officials should be held accountable.

What I am saying is, it’s wrong to use violence on someone who has not harmed anyone — to pepper spray, jail, or shoot a person who has not committed any act of violence is evil behavior. Don’t you agree? My moral beliefs certainly wouldn’t allow me to use violence in this way, and I absolutely would consider it a violation of Christ’s teachings.

Comment by Michael Garcia

May 17, 2009 @ 5:39 pm

It’s funny that this black prince fellow is protecting and defending the moral character of the violent thugs in his area police force and condemning the non violent behavior of our friends at the motor home diary. It’s sad that he came from the civil rights era where brave activists were battling a truly dangerous battle and now advocates and defends thuggery now that “his,” people are in charge.

That’s why I believe many people that hold onto the liberty philosophy reject working through the system because they know what happens when people acquire the monopoly use of violence.

Comment by AnarchoJesse

May 17, 2009 @ 6:13 pm

BlackPrince, the Lord your God and Savior demanded that you hold Him as King, and follow His only Son on earth, the Prince of Peace, as the only rulers of your life.

You’ve propped up these idols of policemen and politicians, and you’ve evidently forgotten God, and His infinite Love, which He wisely decided to share with all of Creation.

These kings on earth are damaging your relationship with the Lord, a relationship that is supposed to be built on Peace and Love, and shared with the rest of Creation. The Lord warns us of such associations– 2 Corinthians 6:14- Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.” Therefore come out from them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you. I will be a Father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.

Not only that, but 1 Samuel warns us hold of holding kings before God– 1 Samuel 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel: ‘Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee; for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected Me, that I should not be king over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, in that they have forsaken Me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee. Now therefore hearken unto their voice; howbeit thou shalt earnestly forewarn them, and shalt declare unto them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.’

Tread carefully, because you seem to be leaving the path that God in His infinite wisdom has laid out for all of His children.

Comment by Jim Davidson

May 17, 2009 @ 7:49 pm

“i wish you all the best of luck in your pursuit of ‘liberty’.”

We don’t need your wishes, “voice of reprehension” we make our own liberty. Luck is just another foolish superstition. Go to the devil, you slack mouthed lily livered authoritarian filth.

Comment by Jim Davidson

May 17, 2009 @ 7:57 pm

“You be respectful and civil and if you get smart, you go to jail and that is where you ought to be.”

No, that’s wrong, that’s evil, and it is also mistaken.

Rather, the cops can be respectful and civil or they can be killed. There’s no reason to treat cops like anything but highway robbers. There’s no sense to being polite and courteous to them, and get pepper sprayed just the same. Your authoritarian attitude is disgusting.

The people do not serve the police. The police, allegedly, are there to respect, serve, and protect the people. If this point is no longer clear, then why shouldn’t people simply run the cops down, shoot them in the face as soon as they approach, etc.?

There is no contract here. There is no agreement. There is only the offer of civility. Your pigs pepper sprayed our friend without provocation. So, I say, next time I’m in Jones County, I won’t give them the benefit of the doubt.

I travel in a deadly weapon – a car can move very rapidly. I carry deadly weapons. And I am a deadly weapon. Your police depend on the kindness of strangers and our forebearance. Tell me I belong in jail, and I’ll tell you exactly what your pigs can expect.

Comment by Zeus

May 17, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

Violence only begets more violence, Jim. That path only leads to self-destruction.

Comment by Jim Davidson

May 17, 2009 @ 8:03 pm

“Maybe hapless strangers ought to mind their manners when they wonder off the road in Hooterville and for SURE, they had dam well better do it in Jones County or they are going to JAIL.”

Listen, filthy authoritarian whore, our friends didn’t wander off the road. They were on the Interstate.

Don’t close the interstate, let us come to you, in force. You live in a wood house? You might think about being less antagonistic.

Comment by Dan Patrick

May 17, 2009 @ 8:34 pm

Jim, you’re one scary mofo.

Comment by Jim Davidson

May 17, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

Why thank you, Zeus, how considerate of you to mention.

And whose life is it that I’m on a path to destroy? Mine, right?

Everyone has choices to take, Zeus. You choose for you, I’ll choose for me.

Comment by Paul

May 17, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

I also do not approve of violence.

Comment by Lpviper

May 17, 2009 @ 11:42 pm

Jim is right. And Jim will probably die at the hands of armed thugs wearing fancy costumes. And as he says, it is his choice.

I can think of an example when I was traveling the interstate in my RV and it broke down. I got it off the e-way but unfortunately ended up in a median on a two lane state highway. It was a bad spot, but the van was dead and it wasn’t gonna move. A local cop pulled up behind us, gave us the light show, and started harrassing my wife and my mother-in-law in the back of the van. Then he came up front to start in on me, where I was busily ripping electrical parts out of the engine bay to go have them checked. This guy comes up to me and says ‘Sir! Sir! You can’t have your van parked here! Sir! You need to move your van!’ Well, I was already in a pissy mood (obviously) so I wheeled on this jerk and yelled in his face, ‘Well, SIR, the van won’t start and it isn’t going anywhere! So either MAKE A USEFUL SUGGESTION or LEAVE ME ALONE!!’ Dick move right? Prolly get tased, right? Nope. Dude instantly changed his whole tune, apologized to me, and PUSHED my RV with his police cruiser to the parts store! When he was done, he asked if he could please look at my ID because he smashed in the front of his car on my tow hitch. I agreed because dude was obviously gonna hear it.

Moral of the story is, bending over and playing kissy ass isn’t necessarily gonna get you anywhere. Sometimes acting like you’re a man and you have a pair will help you more. (Don’t be offended, ladies, you have a pair too, just a different pair)

I don’t like violence either, and I have no plans to use it unless in self defense, but more people who are just plumb fed up like Jim might make the cops think a little more about the way they treat people, you know? And I think the way the cops are going, and the way they are taking to treating people, the more people will end up feeling like Jim does. There is no way to stop this, and decrying it and getting all faint over it ain’t gonna change it.

Jim, think about your family before you go on the offensive. That’s all I ask. And if they took your family from you and you’ve nothing to lose, may God help them, because I know you won’t.

Thanks

Andy

Comment by Zeus

May 17, 2009 @ 11:54 pm

Then again, maybe Jim or you or whomever is an Agent Provocateur, attempting to instigate violence in order to satiate their hunger to beat, tase and kill us all in a witch hunt? How the hell does any of us know?

So I recommend peaceful resistance until the time for peace is done. Each man decides that for himself. For me, now ain’t the time. If you, however, want to die in hail of gunfire and help them smear us all due to your behavior, that’s your prerogative.

Comment by Paul

May 18, 2009 @ 12:11 am

Good story, Lpviper

Although he almost certainly won’t hear me, I want to say thanks to that cop — who seems to be a real public servant, and those who are like him.

P.S. I absolutely do not believe in any violence.

Comment by Lpviper

May 18, 2009 @ 12:14 am

Yeah, pretty good for an ‘Agent Provocateur’, eh?

Easy, Zeus. You’ll catch more flies with honey than you will with vinegar.

Another funny aside: I said that to somebody one day and he said, ‘Oh yeah? Well, I betcha you’ll catch more flies with shit than either of those!’

That really made me think

Comment by Lpviper

May 18, 2009 @ 12:19 am

And Zeus, I said I don’t condone violence, and I don’t, but I know what that anger feels like. I felt it again today when I saw that picture of Sam in the Sentinel.

Self defense only. Self defense only. I have to repeat it to myself because I am a creature of emotion, as are we all, and I thought I presented the idea clearly above.

However, no matter how clearly an idea is given, there will be those for whom the pain is too great, and they will lash out. I cannot condemn these people, I can only give them love and compassion and try to talk them out of it.

Thanks

Oh, and I forgot to mention that I appreciate what you do for liberty and I am a loyal listener and viewer of Free Minds content. Keep up the good work!

Comment by Jacob

May 18, 2009 @ 1:04 am

Black Prince has got to be one of the better and more dedicated trolls I’ve ever seen on the internet.

Bravo, sir. Bravo.

To the rest of you: Stop replying to what he’s saying. He’s being a dipshit on purpose, and solely because he wants to get a rise out of you. Don’t get your panties in a bunch over a guy who pretends to be an idiot.

Comment by Yizmo Gizmo

May 18, 2009 @ 9:14 am

So what happened with the charges?
Are they all gone and if the charges were so
insubstantial as to crumble into thin air why isn’t the sanctimoniuos DA
filing false arrest chrages against those cops?
You can’t be a tough-on-crime county
unless you also go after corrupt police.

Comment by bile

May 18, 2009 @ 9:19 am

They dropped all but one charge per individual. You can read about it on the MHD website: http://motorhomediaries.com

Comment by Roger Hermann

May 22, 2009 @ 8:49 am

These thug cops should be the ones in jail. It seems the good people of Mississippi are suffering with these Gestopo like morons. Hopefully the Sheriff will end up with a law suit and in the unemployment line or prision where enemies of Liberty belong.

Comment by Rob Andrews

May 22, 2009 @ 8:58 am

I’m a pretty staunch libertarian (and Libertarian), and I have openly stated that some civil rights violation took place in this incident as best I can tell based on the available facts.

However, I seriously doubt that the law enforcement officers involved knowingly/intentionally violated laws or intended to deprive these guys of their civil liberties.

I’ve encountered a lot of law enforcement officers in Mississippi in my over thirty years as a resident here. By and large, I have found the vast majority of them to be pretty straight-forward individuals with a service mentality.

I believe in the cause of documenting and correcting abuses of our legal system, but am nowhere near calling the LEOs in Mississippi a bunch of jackbooted thugs.

I hope we can help cultivate a system in which good cops on the beat can focus on the work of helping our society maintain a basic sense of order in which we can freely exercise our civil liberties without fear.

Rob Andrews
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of MS

Comment by Lpviper

May 22, 2009 @ 9:36 am

‘However, I seriously doubt that the law enforcement officers involved knowingly/intentionally violated laws or intended to deprive these guys of their civil liberties.’

I respect your position and your opinion, sir. But the statement above is, to me, fantastic. If these men are that ignorant or stupid then they do not need to be in the job they’re in.

I suspect, however, that they knew damn well what they were doing

Comment by Rob Andrews

May 22, 2009 @ 9:43 am

I agree that whether willfully/knowingly or ignorantly, they did something wrong in this process, as I’ve stated frankly in a few posts.

The meat of what I was trying to convey in my last post was that I hope the tenor of our ongoing discussion be healthy and productive.

Comment by Paul

May 22, 2009 @ 10:28 am

I agree with not attributing the actions of these cops to all those from Mississippi. However, in your rush to moderate sounding rhetoric do not sacrifice the truth.

These cops assaulted, pepper sprayed, falsely arrested, and abused the person and property of three people who had not harmed anyone. On that day, they showed themselves to be jack booted thugs, and they deserve to not only be fired for it, but personally sued.

We have no lack of people in this country who are willing to parlay with evil to appear politically correct. We have a lack of people willing to speak the plain honest truth. These men were highwaymen, thieves, and kidnappers, and if anything, their imagined self-righteousness makes it worse. The badge gives these men a special responsibility to help and protect the innocent, not a special exemption from the moral law which applies to each of us.

Comment by Rob Andrews

May 22, 2009 @ 10:36 am

Yes, the actions you describe are unconscionable and should be vigorously addressed.

All law enforcement officers are bound not only by basic morality but by oath to defend us with badge and gun, not to use them against us.

I openly support administrative and legal action.

My urge that opponents of civil liberties violations represent their points of view in the best possible light should not be misunderstood as bowing to injustice in any way.

Comment by LibertyTiger

May 22, 2009 @ 11:22 am

“However, I seriously doubt that the law enforcement officers involved knowingly/intentionally violated laws or intended to deprive these guys of their civil liberties.”

Rob, I’m from Memphis and I’ve had plenty of experience with MS law enforcement. Perhaps they do have a “service mentality” when dealing with “suit-and-tie”, church-going, State-bowing Mississippians. But the fact is, if you’re young, black, or an outsider you’re very likely to be treated with disrespect or even violence. The fact that a law enforcement officer wouldn’t “knowingly” violate someone’s liberties is hardly a defense. They certainly wouldn’t give me the benefit of the doubt if I didn’t know all their silly rules about dry counties and traveling with firearms. Knowing the law and what citizen’s rights are is part of their fucking job. If they’re ignorant of the law or rights they should be retrained or fired. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, even for a law enforcement officer.

Comment by Ranger

May 23, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

I find it odd that the people who are always whining about being videotaped by “big brother” find it useful when it suits their purposes. As to who erased the video I can’t help but wonder if maybe these three guys erased it themselves because it was self incriminating.

Being from Mississippi I just want to say “Yall come back now ya hear”!!!

Comment by Dan Patrick

May 23, 2009 @ 7:17 pm

Ranger, They’re going through a process to have the video restored using technical data recovery methods.

I’m pretty sure that you can see the difference in the government using surveillance to invade a person’s privacy and a group of documentarians or the press videoing the procedures of government agents.

Comment by Ranger

May 23, 2009 @ 7:32 pm

Yes Dan I know the difference. I don’t think being a documentarian gives you any special rights when you are stopped by the police. I don’t like either very much. You know what’s funny is that Mississippi is actually one of the most free states in the country in gun laws, worker rights, education and anything you can think of. But these bozo’s seem to want to paint us as the opposite. I think all this is grandstanding for the sake of publicity sothey can sell a stupid documentary and make money and be famous. where are these guys from anyhow?

Comment by Zeus

May 23, 2009 @ 7:41 pm

Actually, Mississippi comes in 22nd on personal freedom but 30th on economic freedom according to the recent Mercatus Center report on Freedom in the 50 States.

Comment by Dan Patrick

May 23, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

Ranger, I doubt that fame-chasing is the case. If it’s the case then they’re taking a really round-about way of getting there because they’ve got a resume as long as your arm of activism in the liberty movement.

I don’t think that being a documentarian gives you special rights. I think that everyone has the right to record the police. In this country, that right is supposedly protected by the 1st Amendment. I also believe that people have an absolute right to arm themselves as is supposedly recognized in the 2nd Amendment, however even in a state like Mississippi there are more gun controls than I would like.

I know Pete is from Virginia. Not sure about Jason and Adam.

Since you’re interested, I’m from Alabama.

Comment by Ranger

May 23, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

I knew you had to be from the deep south. You seem to have more sanity and character than some of the nut cases I’ve read posting here. It’s my first time. I’ve never heard of these guys. I’m from the area in question and It made me bristle a little when I heard about this on FOX. It just seemed very out of character for this area to have a cop do something like they are describing. In fact, the last time I was stopped in Jones County (for running a stop sign off the I-59 exit ramp) the officer not only didn’t give me a ticket but requested that I pray for him at church that day! I’m serious! I was running late for church and told him so, but I was courteous and honest.

I actually consider myself a libertarian but only of the Biblical sort. You know there is a difference between true liberty and anarchy. Some people here don’t seem to know the difference or that there is a difference.

I thought these guys were from Canada and was wondering why they wouldn’t be worrying about taking issue there. Libertarian there is a buzz word for homosexual and I was suspicious that it might be here too.

Comment by Zeus

May 23, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

“What we’ve got here is… failure to communicate. Some men you just can’t reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it… well, he gets it.”

Comment by Ranger

May 23, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

I knew that post would bring em out the woodwork.

Comment by Dan Patrick

May 24, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

Ranger, I don’t remember who said it but there’s a quote: “There might be two libertarians that agree on everything, but I’m not one of them.”

Like all thing, we’re human and subject to the whims of human opinion. As long as we can agree that people should be free to do what they want so long as they don’t harm anyone else, then we’re on the right track.

You might be interested in checking out a libertarian radio show, Free Talk Live. One of the hosts is the owner of this website. They’re on 6 nights per week http://listen.freetalklive.com
The concept of the show is that you can call and talk about anything. A lot of people here are listeners, but you’d be more than welcome to call in and give your thoughts.

They’re also on in Tupelo and Vickburg, but I’m not sure if you can get those in Jones County.