Ian Freeman’s Trial over a Parking Ticket

The State does not like talking about the New Hampshire State Constitution as Ian Freeman disputes a parking violation in Keene District Court, Wednesday, April 28th, 2010.

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Judge Lane presides over the trial as Ian attempts to understand the nature and cause of the proceedings and SamIam rides shotgun.  Check it out!

  • Johnny Juárez

    Marc Stevens is a liar. His claim that his questions are unanswerable and expose the system and result in the dismissal of 75% of the cases where they're used or whatever he says is a lie. Judges know they're paid by taxes, yet they believe in the ideal of an independent judiciary anyhow. You might not believe in judicial independence and I'm agnostic about the idea, but they believe it, and they aren't about to surrender when someones comes into court demanding to know who they represent and accusing them of favoring the government or whatever Stevens' crackpot strategy is. I've been in courts, a lot, and I've seen this stuff go down in flames every time. None of this "nature and cause" BS works and it never will, and it's goddamn irritating to listen to too, and just about guarantees you'll get the absolute maximum sentence after you tick off everyone in the courthouse. If you don't wanna get reamed by the man, then either don't get caught in the first place, or STFU and defend yourself on grounds they recognize and understand–like evidence and case law. I bet that Stevens guy is too stupid to even read a legal case on his own. In fact I've seen a Ridley Report Youtube where a NJ judge also confiscated Stevens' driver's license in a no insurance case after Stevens kept saying, "I don't understand who you represent.. I don't understand the nature and cause… I don't understand what this is..," because the judge thought, or at least he said he thought, that Stevens was so clueless he might be a hazard to other drivers. These BS, idiotic theories that Ian was trying will get you in more trouble than you're already in, so think twice. (PS-I'm politically libertarian, I don't work for gov't, and I actually wish there was some magic words you could use to get gov't off your back. But there ain't. That's the truth.)

  • leave sam

    fuck off sam

  • Brodie

    "defend yourself on grounds they recognize and understand–like evidence and case law."

    Did you watch the vid? Ian asked for evidence that the so called statute applied to him, they refused to provide it.

  • http://ringingliberty.com Paul

    <blockquote cite="unbelievable">Paul, you are very wrong. Most parking spaces along public streets are in the right of way and that right of way was acquired by several methods, the least common of which is eminent domain. Most right of ways were established by prescription and enlarged by purchase of additional width from abutting property owners. A lot of modern streets were offered by dedication from the developers or other private entities that owned the land. Many streets and roads were built on land reserved, or swapped for reserved land from the underlying fee owners set aside over a hundred years ago.

    I probably should have said "eminent domain in many cases", because I can't say it was necessarily a majority.

    However, even in cases where they were not acquired using eminent domain, they were purchased and are maintained using extorted money, as I pointed out.

    <blockquote cite="unbelievable">
    Eminent domain is reserved for cases where parties cant agree on a price or where someone is just being obstinate.

    A person has a right to be obstinate, when it comes to their own land. The fact that a person does not want to sell to me does not give me the right to steal it from them.

    <blockquote cite="unbelievable">
    Parking spaces in municipal lots are on land owned by the city

    As we've discussed, the land was purchased using stolen money, and so is not legitimately owned. If I go extort money from my neighbors at gunpoint, and use it to buy a yacht, the yacht is really owned by my neighbors, not by me.

    <blockquote cite="unbelievable">
    or leased from private parties and set aside for that purpose.

    Leased with stolen money.

    <blockquote cite="unbelievable">
    A lot of that land has been recovered from demolished buildings and abandoned buildings walked away from by previous owners.

    Many buildings are abandoned because of tax liability.

    Even in cases where they're abandoned for other reasons, why should the land necessarily go to the government? Shouldn't the land be divided and homesteaded at that point?

    <blockquote cite="unbelievable">
    Of course none of these facts mean anything to people who think speeding, DWI and not registering your car are their natural rights.

    If a person is driving recklessly, they should be stopped. They should also be held responsible if they harm anyone or anyone's property.

    The fact is, however, the roads were not obtained by government by voluntary exchange using legitimately acquired funds (this means producing a good or service for voluntary exchange on the market).

    The land was obtained using extorted money, using methods that were often also coercive to the landholder.

    If a person went and bought some land using justly acquired funds, and built a road on it, they would have a right to set whatever rules for its use they choose — and if I'm going to use the road, I'm obligated to obey those rules.

    Since the government is a coercive organization (really a mob, or gang), who acquired the land by force, they don't have legitimate ownership, and don't have the right to set arbitrary rules for its use.

    As I say, they do have the right to stop those who pose an immediate threat to others, and obtain fair restitution for victims, however.

  • Johnny Juárez

    @brodie "Evidence that the so called statute applied to him…"

    By "so called statute" are you suggesting the parking statute doesn't exist, or do you just object to the word statute for some reason?

    That's just a nonsense question. The NH state statutory system or Keene muni law system applies to Ian and everyone else because it says it does. You may disagree that it ought to, but that doesn't change the fact that it claims to. The judge could humor you and read it to you, or he could blow you off (I didn't watch the whole thing because it was too boring.)

    Demanding "evidence" in response to an assertion of jurisdiction is retarded. The evidence is the assertion. But if you think that strategy will work, go for it tough guy. I hope you get a gay linebacker for a cell mate.

  • Bangor

    Sam's Dad must be very proud of his son, based on his comments! How many Dad's have sons who step up to the plate like this? Awesome!

  • KDus

    @johnny , rules of evidence apply to both parties in the case. Facts are established through proceedure, not assertion.

  • http://ringingliberty.com Paul

    Me: Johnny, you owe me $1000
    You: Why?
    Me: Because I just wrote down on a piece of paper
    You: But why does that apply to me? Are you claiming we had some sort of agreement or something, or that I harmed something of yours?
    Me: Nope, it applies to you because I said so, now pay up if you don't want a gay linebacker for a cell mate.

  • Johnny Juárez

    @KDus – A law is an assertion. It just is. Whether you're for it or not. Evidence has shit to do with it. There's no facts to be established. The law is read and interpreted by a court as law. A trial court deals with issues of fact and law. But you can't even spell procedure, so why should I argue with you?

    @Paul – Did I say I agree with the system? ARE YOU ILLITERATE? I'm just *&#$^R*&$R^ telling you and anyone else who is thinking about pulling this garbage in court that it'll make your problems worse, not better. Pretending that a court needs to show you evidence to assert jurisdiction over you will work about as well as pretending that you're not in jail when you are after trying Marc Moron's "nature and cause" bullshit strategy in court.

    If you guys are just a bunch of retards, ef the free state project then. Who needs it?

  • http://ringingliberty.com Paul

    If you believe the method is ineffective, JJ, that's fine. You may be right. There are really two measures of effectiveness in a courtroom: effective communication of ideas, and avoidance of jail. It seems to me that the first is more important to Ian. But, it may be that this method is ineffective on both counts, as you seem to believe.

    I did take exception to this line:

    "I hope you get a gay linebacker for a cell mate."

    But we all say things we don't really mean sometimes …

  • ChRoNo

    @Johnny Juárez

    Do you have any evidence of you doing anything in the Courts at all? If not, then you shouldn't be testifying as to what is valid/effective and what is not. If you were a witness, you would be disqualified as not credible under rule 602 of the rules of evidence…Lack of personal knowlege.

    Please post some kind of link to one of your Courtroom audio/videos. If you cannot do so, then I don't think it's fair for you to badger those who are actually doing things and making the effort.

    By the way, a statute can say whatever, but there are no facts/is no evidence which proved that it was applicable to Ian. You seem to misunderstand things, the Judge/persecutors opinions are not admissible as evidence. Only the testimony of the witness.

    Their claim is that, yes, it is applicable to Ian. Ian only asked for the facts which supported that claim.

    There are none. Unless of course anything other than the testimony of the witness is admissible evidence.

  • KDus

    @ Johnny, I won't comment on your grammar if you won't comment on my spelling.

    Jurisdiction has everything to do with facts and law.

    Facts can't be established by assertion, alone. If they were, the poisoned tree doctrine would apply.

    It seems we agree on the effectiveness of the strategy, so why the hostility? The cout's legitimacy is rooted in compliance. Only exposure, like we are discussing, will change that.

    BTW, this web site only shows about %2 of the FSP.

  • http://www.tuspco.com/ Andrew J Galambos

    @ Bigscrotum
    I am not going to call you an ignorant boob.

    RE Marc Stevens' questions for court, I used them with intent to beat a traffic ticket. Result: the angry little attorney in the black costume dismissed my case. That is a fact. However, I can only speculate why my case was dismissed.

  • piss poor decision

    Ian what a pathetic loser you are. Another stupid ass stunt that proves what a joke you are.

  • ChRoNo

    @piss poor decision

    Do you feel better about yourself now that you got that off your chest?

  • piss poor decision

    Chrono

    No, in fact keep these stupid ass stunts going, the more they come up, the bigger losers you become.

  • http://freetalklive.com/ Ian

    Boy, there's no one whose opinion I value more than a vitriolic, ad-hominem-slinging, anonymous blog poster.

    That's it – I give up now cause someone called me names!

  • piss poor decision

    Ian,

    Did you read my post, I said keep up your stupid ass stunts, shows what a joke you are, no need to reply. I am done, until the next time you make an ass out of your-self. I assume this will be soon.

  • http://freetalklive.com/ Ian

    Glad I can bring a smile to what sounds like a mostly frowny face.

  • unbelievable

    So, piss poor…how will we know its you. SHould we just infer when we think a stupid, short sighted and ignorant comment is made, you are behind it?

  • Chaz Munro

    The good news is that it is not up to you to say who is a loser, what type of activism works, and just how the term "pathetic" is defined.

    When you get a chance to become an adult & grow a bit more hair on your naughty bits, you'll discover that what you mistakenly believe to be facts, spewing from your keyboards, are instead just your opinions. The world does not form according to your whims.

    Please don't get me wrong, your opinions are welcome here as long as they contain no threats of violence. To spare yourself any further embarrassment you may wish to note that more experienced & knowledgeable, anonymous trolls than yourselves have attempted to throw their monkey-wrenches into the works & have for their efforts, been sent home crying to their mommies.

    I'd like to give you guys more credit than that. In fact, I truly believe that you have it within you to actually honestly debate the issues at hand.

    I am going to give you credit for being much smarter than any foolish garden variety troll slithering away under slimy rocks, within this site. Of course you know this means that you're going to show us just how smart you can be and stick to subject, or how…well, you know.

    Are you wise, or otherwise? Your call. Show me how smart you really are, or aren't. Playtime is over son, we are talking about your very liberties and once they are gone, you'd pay hell to get them back. We just can't get comfortable with our slavery here to any degree. Most of us fail to understand how anyone could.

  • Lpviper

    I hope the judge feels as stupid watching this as he looked doing it. A very brassy refusal to answer any substantive questions. Make sure you follow this up with all the requisite complaints so the naysayers can't accuse you of not doing your due diligence. I didn't look, did the judge ever pull his hand out from up the parking bureaucrat's ass?

  • bil

    Boy,I wonder if I am one of those trolls-I have thrown a wrench or two!Some missed,some didn't,but I haven't had to go see Mum yet.Good post,Chaz.We have been getting some more reasoning questions lately.A sign of something?Hard to say. —bil

  • theKINGofKEENE

    True story. In 1971, a young lawyer named "Howard B. Lane, jr.", was running for City Council. His dad was a major force behind Keene's Congregational church, but howards acorn rolled a little too far from the tree…Anyway, his church's youthgroup interviewed all the candidates…But, they couldn't endorse Howard! So, not even his own church's youthgroup could endorse Lane for council! Howard B.Lane, jr., is a marginally competent, very corrupt, poor excuse for a judge. Open neck shirt, rolled up sleeves??? C'mon, Howard, you piece of shit! He also bought my house at 61 Park Ave. in 1971, but that's another story…

  • Highline

    "Open neck shirt, rolled up sleeves??? C'mon, Howard, you piece of shit!"

    KoK, you literally had me laughing my ass off on that one. My friend saw me looking at my BlackBerry and was like "whatttt?"

    His judicial temperament is much better than Ed Burke's, but, he clearly is NOT impartial when he testifies for the state and pushes the prosecutors case.

  • Chaz Munro

    Judge Lane sure inherited a doozy of a headache from his pal, Judge Burke.

    Of course, this could be the big break Howard Lane was waiting for.

    Should he do the decent thing and get on a first name basis with his conscience, it would take such a short step for him or any judge in New Hampshire, to practice good honest impartiality.

    All he has to do is to stop automatically pushing the state's case. If the activists can persuade hizzoner to look at all his cases he hears fairly and without the foul taint of bias…well then, they are mightier than anyone can give them credit for.

    I'm proud to know each and every one of them.

    As for you, Howard Lane. How would you like to have a chance to be a bigger and better man than Edward Burke ever could dream of being? Let it sink in for just a bit before you answer. Then see yourself as your own man, Judge. A man who can mix among his peers in the community and see them beam brightly, and warmly greet you with a genuine smile, not a look of fear.

    You need only choose respect over fear as a means of motivating those you encounter inside & outside the courtroom. No longer standing in the shadow of a man you know to be nowhere as redeemable as you. All you have to do is the job you were hired for. Be impartial, that's all.

    It's easy if you try. Wouldn't you like for them to say your name in the same sentence with that of Judge Andrew Napolitano?

    Could you be able to appreciate a legacy as incredible as that? Could you imagine it now?

  • Sam A. Robrin

    WINKY LANE ("Primrose Lane")
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfI-y6dWYwo

    Winky Lane –

    Burke wussed out, so there sits

    Winky Lane –

    Honor's blown to bits

    When

    Winky Lane

    Tries you.

    It's so plain:

    When the guy in charge is

    Winky Lane,

    You've been strapped aboard a

    Railroad train.

    Choo choo!

    Facial tics

    Reveal he plays courtroom tricks.

    The law is devoted to

    Destroying you.

    Winky Lane –

    The autocracy of

    Winky Lane,

    And hypocrisy of

    Winky Lane

    Show through.

    DAs lie;

    He smiles and winks his eye.

    Judicial board of review

    Is overdue.

    Winky Lane –

    Law's a dirty joke with

    Winky Lane –

    Proof the system's broke is

    Winky Lane.

    Go sue!

    Go sue!

    Go sue!

    Go sue!

  • spam

    In the first place, a parking ticket is the wrong hill to die on. The state/county/town does have the power to decide where people can park. The problem is that he's getting hauled into a court that is not a judicial power court of general jurisdiction. It's an administrative, quasi-judicial tribunal where it is a given that the rules of civ/crim proc do not apply. The issue in traffic cases not involving a parking ticket is a matter of subject matter jurisdiction. It's clear that while earnest, Ian is approaching this situation from the wrong angle and it was painful to watch because been there, done that, got the T shirt way back in the 90's – we got a no-license case put on "hold without a finding" with a superior court judge (a nasty guy that deals with felons in shackles) not some barking dog court poseur like this guy.

    There is no point in asking about the Constitutionality of the proceedings he was in, it's not a Constitutional court and he's wasting his time doing that. Ian and others need to understand the nature of the administrative law scam and why almost all law outside of commonlaw crimes as applied to citizens acting in the capacity of a natural person fall under administrative law and why the "court" is not a court, it's an administrative tribunal and you don't belong there. Have somebody email me at the address supplied for this comment so they can call me and I'll explain it to them. Remember, it's not a conspiracy, it's ignorance. The alleged judge doesn't know what he's doing any more than anybody else does. He went to law school so he's been dain bramaged.

    There's nothing magical about the sheep-shearing conveyor belt they're running, there's no conspiracy from the traffic cop up to the governor, and virtually none of them understand what they're doing and how they're doing it. No amount of "patriot mythology" or "send me a postcard from jail" huckster theory about UCC-1's or whatever the "patriot" crap du jure is is going to solve this problem. When you understand the administrative law scam and how it works, it's easy to see how one lawbook, 2" thick in 1900 that really just had one page in it that applied to the average citizen has ballooned into 40 ft of crap and subverted a 3 branch republic into a one branch tyranny in the process.

  • bob

    You are a MORON. It's a fucking parking ticket, and you broke the parking laws. End of story. Get a life.

  • Bradley Jardis

    You are a MORON.

    Care to specify who is a moron… and why they are?

  • bob

    Ian. He doesn't understand the law. Sorry if you don't agree with the law, but it's the law of this land. I watched that whole "trial", and he is a fucking MORON. Cry like a little 2 year old because you don't get your way.

  • bob

    And he is a MORON because he still, to quote him, "doesn't understand the nature and cause of these proceedings". Yes, Ian is a FUCKING MORON.

  • http://freetalklive.com/ Ian Freeman

    Do you have anything besides ad hominems to offer?

    I was found not guilty, by the way. Not bad for a MORON.

  • Bradley Jardis

    Ian. He doesn’t understand the law.

    Well, clearly he understood how to make an argument to win the case.

    Sorry if you don’t agree with the law, but it’s the law of this land.

    Bob, a question for you: Because something is a law, should it be enforced?

    I watched that whole “trial”, and he is a fucking MORON. Cry like a little 2 year old because you don’t get your way.

    We clearly disagree on these things. Perhaps if you were not so hostile towards us you could understand why we take the positions that we do?

    Not bad for a MORON.

    I think the real morons in this situation are the ones who work in the government who spent easily $2-3k in trying to convict you of this. Props to Mr. Lane for actually listening to your arguments and ruling fairly.

    I've said the following before and I'd like to reiterate it: one of the things that potential judges are evaluated on is their "judicial temperament." Mr. Lane is worlds above Ed in this area. He remains calm when faced with people presenting themselves in unorthodox manners and doesn't lose it.

    Ed should take notes.

  • Brodie

    Wow Bob, why so much hostility? Do you think people should blindly obey words on a piece of paper?

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