Rich Paul Found Guilty – Juror admits, “We didn’t want to break the law.”

RichWendyIn yet another sad jury decision, activist Rich Paul, the creator of the historic 420 celebrations in downtown Keene, was found guilty of multiple felony counts of selling cannabis to other consenting humans and one count of selling a substance prosecutors said he claimed was LSD. (Paul never claimed the substance was LSD but that didn’t matter to the jury.)

As is so typical, the jurors left the building together for protection from the raining questions from people who love the peaceful human the jurors sent to a cage. Not one juror would take $20 for a five minute interview.

However, there was one juror willing to speak, albeit only for a moment. He admits when asked why he didn’t make history today, that “We didn’t want to break the law.” and then accuses me of threatening him. He then gets into a dark blue minivan with a Romney sticker, tinted windows, and the license plate FISHERS:

They took three hours, so presumably some of the jurors were voting not guilty, but were turned. That’s just like in the occupy trial, where we actually did get one juror to talk on camera, AFTER the other jurors and bailiffs had left. Hopefully someday, one juror will develop a spine and stand up for their beliefs, even against a group. It’s OK to hang a jury! I also believe jurors need to be told this. A jury does not have to return a verdict. One must wonder what pressure they are under to vote against their conscience. They must know how scary and dangerous the state people are and are easily swayed to guilty, after all, wouldn’t want to cross “the state”!

  • http://twitter.com/FoxSynergy K. Alex Rosen

    Most unfortunate. I wonder how many of these cases would come out more favorably if the defense were allowed to have the last word rather than the prosecutor.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Faye.Lemke.Hamilton Faye Lemke Hamilton

      That’s not the way our court system works. And it never has.

    • http://www.jeremyjolson.com/ Jeremy J. Olson

      The problem in this case was that the judge had the last word, and part of his instructions contradicted the jury nullification argument the defense attorney made. The jury nullification bill that was up at the State House last year had two parts, one allowing attorneys to mention nullification, and another requiring judges to use a specific instruction. The Senate amended that second part out of the bill before passing it. And this case is clear evidence that that part needs to be submitted as a new bill before jury nullification is really going to be effective.

  • Hans

    This is just sad.

  • http://www.facebook.com/james.crooke.1 James Crooke

    It is against the law. If the state he lived in had made it legal then a different story. If he wants to grow and distribute move to some place that allows this to occur.

    • Xnelms

      Laws are nothing more than opinions enforced through violence. Some are good laws, most are horrible laws that violate individual rights.

    • Pete Voluyntarist

      no shit sherlock

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Voluntaryist-Mitch/100001553955186 Voluntaryist Mitch

      “You express a great deal of anxiety over our willingness to break laws. This is certainly a legitimate concern. Since we so diligently urge people to obey the Supreme Court’s decision of 1954 outlawing segregation in the public schools, at first glance it may seem rather paradoxical for us consciously to break laws. One may well ask: “How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?” The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that “an unjust law is no law at all.” – Martin Luther King Jr.

    • http://www.facebook.com/d4j0n Jonathan Tz

      Blacks sitting in the front of the bus was the law. I think we all know where that went….

    • http://peacerequiresanarchy.wordpress.com/ PeaceRequiresAnarchy

      “It is against the law.”

      So?

      “If the state he lived in had made it legal then a different story.”

      Geographic areas can’t make things legal or illegal. Also, you can’t live in an organization. So your sentence doesn’t make sense.

      “If he wants to grow and distribute move to some place that allows this to occur.”

      Again, your sentence doesn’t make sense: Places can’t allow or not allow things to occur.

    • Pete Voluyntarist

      Don’t ever post on this fucking forum ever again!

    • http://www.jeremyjolson.com/ Jeremy J. Olson

      “It is against the law.” Morally equivalent to “some group of people don’t like it.”

    • Katherine Stark

      It’s not against The Natural Law. And the Natural Law is superior to any man-made law.

  • DICK

    IAN; FIRST YOU INSULT PEOPLE WITH A $20 BRIBE, THEN YOU YELL AT THEM LIKE A CHILD HAVING A TANTREM. FREAKEENERS WILL NEVER ACHIEVE GOALS WITHOUT THE SUPPORT FROM THE PUBLIC. WHAT PART OF THAT DOE’NT YOU GET?

    • Guest

      MLK achieved goals in the midst of adversity.

    • http://www.facebook.com/kristin.alpert Kristin Alpert

      its not a bribe Dick its an offer i bet a 100 dollars offer would have been accepted i wish i was there to propose that–we are peaceful people — marijuana is acceptable all over the country and the world–come to boston for freedom festival in september be with us or be a troll–the people of massachusetts rule medicinal marijuana just got passed and accepted~btw

    • Pete Voluyntarist

      Then where is Ian getting the fucking FRNs bitch?

    • Pete Voluyntarist

      Right on, Ian gets all the FRNs getting rich which we do all his fucking dirty work

  • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.clement.9083 Thomas Clement

    like james said he knowingly broke a law in which he had no doubt or question of the law. no sympathy there. enjoy your stay!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Voluntaryist-Mitch/100001553955186 Voluntaryist Mitch

      You are a truly sick person. You have no problem with sending a peaceful person to prison for the rest of his life for selling a plant?

    • rzellers@vaseycommercial.com

      nope!

    • PabloKOh

      And making his own children pay for it with increased tax burden. I don’t understand his logic.

    • http://peacerequiresanarchy.wordpress.com/ PeaceRequiresAnarchy

      I’ll pay you $100 if you read Frederick Douglass’s short autobiography “Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, An American Slave,” before the end of 2013 and then call me and tell me that you have done so. Let me know if you are interested in accepting my offer and I will give you my phone number.

    • NHNative42

      It was once a federal crime to help an escaped slave. Say Harriet Tubman came to your door, with an escapee. Would you throw her in jail too? Send the slave back to his/her “owner”?

      The opinion of politicians is not the definition of moral right and wrong. “I was told to” is called the Nuremberg defense. Google it.

      Read Jefferson, MLK, Gandhi, many others — they say the same.

      This amoral, robot-like mentality is pathetic. “Land of the free/brave” my ankle. Bunch of bootlicking zombies.

    • jeffmagic

      So all laws are moral? Would it have been wrong to stand up to a Nazi storm trooper forcing jews onto trains? Or would it have been wrong to prevent the US military from herding those of Japanese decent into prison camps?

  • http://www.facebook.com/david.mccollester David McCollester

    ALL of this done under their presumption that he is a US citizen/trustee/employee of the State of New Hampshire (corporation/district). However I guarantee there is no binding legal contract either written or implied requiring the defendant to:
    A: Know the corporations statutes and codes and
    B: To abide by them.

    You may unknowingly consent to relinquish your natural born rights under God, in exchange for benefits and privileges of a corporate state, but until you understand this is why you are subject to their statutes and codes, it’s not exactly FULL DISCLOSURE under corporate law.
    There’s a little thing in the Bill of Rights called, “Consent of the Governed”, meaning each human being must agree to be governed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1385120686 Joe Vangel

    I don’t smoke marijuana, but I would have voted not guilty. I would not put a peaceful person in prison. Whats the difference with selling someone a joint or selling someone a 1/5th of Jim Beam ? Alcohol causes a lot of issues in this country but our masters say it’s fine. I’ve been around folks that smoked marijuana, and I’ve been around drunks,…I’ll take someone high ANYDAY over a rowdy drunken asshole. I promise I will never convict !

  • http://www.facebook.com/robert.lallier2 Robert Lallier

    It’s the lawyers using voir dire to hand-select ignorant, manipulable cowards for jurors.

    • http://www.jeremyjolson.com/ Jeremy J. Olson

      Both sides get to select the jurors so you really can’t blame that. Rich had participated in jury selection and said he was selecting intelligent, educated people from the jury pool—the exact opposite of what most juries are composed of—hoping that would make a difference.

  • http://www.facebook.com/fst.sqr Fst Sqr

    Adversity has a purpose. I’ve always liked this quote from Robert Collier…

    “In every adversity there lies the seed of an equivalent advantage. In every defeat is a lesson showing you how to win the victory next time.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/Faye.Lemke.Hamilton Faye Lemke Hamilton

    Wait a second. You’re blaming the jurors and calling them spineless for following the law? If you don’t like the law and don’t think people should be charged with selling pot, then work to change the law. But as long as the law is on the books and someone gets arrested for it, don’t blame the jurors. That’s just ignorant. Change the law. Don’t expect jurors to not follow the law.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/2TNPUIBCYS2DL7BFXLFSKVPCPE Nicolas

      Wow how ignorant. Do you really call yourself an
      American ? Do you even know about jury nullification ?

      ALSO
      Go back and read jefferson : “Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’, because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.”Thomas Jefferson

    • Xnelms

      So, just because it is law means we shouldn’t blame someone for upholding it? In one state it is illigal to have an icecream cone in your back pocket, should someone be prosecuted for that? Just because it is law doesn’t mean it is right and doesn’t mean the prosecutor needs to prosecute.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Voluntaryist-Mitch/100001553955186 Voluntaryist Mitch

      The law says they can find him not guilty if they disagree with the law… They chose to send somebody to prison for the rest of his life. They deserve all the blame in the world. They are a bunch of sick, twisted people.

    • Scott

      He has not been sentenced yet.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Duncan/100000087760836 Don Duncan

      Yes, I’m blaming the jurors for not knowing that the law does not dictate the verdict. It is the juror that judges the facts and law for himself before rendering a verdict. When a juror ignorantly follows illegal instructions from the judge to obey the law and convict, he defaults on his duty as a citizen to think for himself and act by his morals.
      Most jurors will act against their moral code and common sense under judicial duress. This sheep-like behavior is programed in govt. controlled schools in every grade. Public “education” has not failed the authorities. It worked for Hitler, Stalin, and Mao also. America is no different in this regard. “Land of the slave, home of the coward”.

    • http://twitter.com/SnowDog2003 Snowdog

      Funny… we’ve been told we’re not welcome in the State House, either.

    • Justin Altman

      It’s not “our” law to change. This is a gang that writes unfunny, unrhymed poetry and imposes it on the people in their gang territory. If you appeal to them to change their laws you’re admitting that you are their property to be dealt with as they may. And they’re not going to listen anyway – the status quo has made careers for these people. Any threat to their laws, any change, is going to unemploy people. There’s prosperity in prohibition, for gangsters and the state. But I repeat myself.

      Besides – look at the objective evidence. More than 50% of the people want a change in drug laws. People have been directly fighting to change them for decades. How much progress has been made?

      Either it’s moral and just to be able to deal in cannabis or it’s not. Whatever the state says about it, and when they say it, is not logically connected to this determination.

  • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.shumaker1 Daniel Shumaker

    81 years for pot? Really? It’s time we all looked up and read about Jury Nullification. This is ridiculous. And how much time should the current president, Obama and the last president, Bush, have gotten for their drug use?!!

  • http://twitter.com/Truck468 TruckHax

    totally tragic! can’t believe it. is this the friggin middle ages…

  • http://www.facebook.com/atcoreyamoore Corey Moore

    Truly a sad day for peace and freedom. Rich Paul is a courageous man, and no matter what the state decides to do to him, he will be remembered as such. You can jail a man, but you can’t jail his spirit!

  • forethoughts

    How wonderful they must feel to put some old guy in Jail for 80 plus years for a nothing crime that has no victim. There should be a test to serve on a jury. Years ago I was on a jury, there were 2 of us who were not gonna change our not guilty vote in Miami on a guy caught smuggling. I went to the bathroom, came back and they had brow beat this girl into changing her vote 3 days later we told the judge that we were deadlocked 11-1

    • http://www.jeremyjolson.com/ Jeremy J. Olson

      Do you know if they retried the guy, or did he get off?

    • forethoughts

      Retried him twice same result each time

    • Upchuck_Crusader

      Such a test would be used to weed out “unwanted” jurors. It is never the test that counts, it’s who grades the test.

  • Leon H

    He WAS offered a chance to walk with no jail.

    • Guest

      He would be a felon either way.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Voluntaryist-Mitch/100001553955186 Voluntaryist Mitch

      And he definitely should have taken it. Never trust a jury!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Duncan/100000087760836 Don Duncan

      He wanted to stand up for liberty. He tried to put his trust in his peers, but what he got was a govt. stacked jury. This is how it works when govt. has a monopoly on law enforcement.

    • http://twitter.com/SnowDog2003 Snowdog

      Funny how the system works: they threaten you with jail for the rest of your life, unless you confess; then you can go free.

      Has anything really changed in the past 1,000 years?

    • Katherine Stark

      Comment of the year.

    • Upchuck_Crusader
  • http://www.theretaildetail.us/ Amy Barnes

    The police do actually keep track of the people who tee them off – so do not be surprised that the jurors were cowed into accepting the State’s point of view. It’s a NASTY world out there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=508265757 Nick Berry

    The american public need to be taught about jury nullification…. plain and freaking simple. Every defense attorney in the country should be preaching it too!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Sanacore/1830522112 Adam Sanacore

      It’s not even a matter of jury nullification. It should be common sense by its own right that an individual should not be sent to jail for smoking weed.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chas-Eric/1080484024 Chas Eric

      Not much sense coming out of NH and unfortunately
      unsurprising to me.

    • Free_Able

      “Be taught”? I say that the idea that the people are master and the state, including the courts are the peoples servant, ought be the nature of things understood at our earliest awareness. In a healthy liberty based society we would have that idea overriding all. I do not think that babies from the womb start out thinking like slaves. It is unfortunate that most are taught serfdom and the indoctrination is so far holding.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1079289972 Yvonne V. Wagner

    NOT GUILTY

    • Pete Voluyntarist

      Bitch please

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Sanacore/1830522112 Adam Sanacore

    My God, what a bunch of guiltless, pathetic weasels. I’m not talking about the activists, by the way. You guys kick major ass. “We didn’t want to break the law/” Really? So you think it’s lawful to jail someone for smoking something with medical properties? America the brave, indeed.

  • http://twitter.com/curlishari Sharon Standiford

    It is a shame. What a waste. That penalty for something so arbitrary. He could have beaten a child and gotten less time. Disgusting.

  • Dan Macha

    How many innocent people must be ‘burned at the stake’, so that the feds will acknowledge the fact that ‘the world is round’?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Curtis-Mayberry/100000043752171 Curtis Mayberry

    Sad sad day for America, the founding fathers, I would say, are rolling in their graves on this one! While we have reform efforts going on in one place in this nation with everything looking like the war is over and marijuana will be free in another part, this happened, a life sentence! People we have to change this nationally or we will never be rid of the prohibitionists seeking to destroy and discriminate against a certain group of people, we have to stop them now!

  • Cameron Purdie

    Didn’t anybody see 12 Angry Men?

    • Katherine Stark

      In New Hampshire, it starts with one juror voting guilty and the rest coming around.

  • Cameron Purdie

    Didn’t anybody see 12 Angry Men?

  • Exquisite Corpse

    Jury Nullification of Law has been a right of juries to rule against enforcing unjust laws since the Magna Carta, yet judges and prosecutors don’t tell juries they have this option. Support the fully informed jury amendment. fija.org ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

  • rzellers@vaseycommercial.com

    I have never commented on here but i follow your site and videos alot. this person broke the law. we have laws in this country to keep order. if you dont like the laws here you can always move. you all involved in this are complete idiots and seem to me, have no sense at all.

    • NHNative42

      It was once a federal law to help escaped slaves. Should that law have been enforced?

      Many laws have been immoral, throughout history. The opinions of politicians are not the moral definition of right and wrong.

      Grow a conscience of your own.

      Oh, and by the way, the government does not own the country, or the state, and have no right to demand everyone who lives here obey their arbitrary dictates, or leave, any more than I have a right to tell you the you must live the way I say, in your own house, or leave.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Julie-Bourbeau/1641442031 Julie Bourbeau

    what a shame!! just shows how people really don’t want change even if its for the betterment of the human race. I hope he can appeal!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Julie-Bourbeau/1641442031 Julie Bourbeau
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