Four of the Trespassive Twelve Sentenced

Ian Freeman, Lauren Canario, Sean Murphy, and Dale Everett were all found guilty of violation trespassing in court today in relation to arrests that took place at the Cheshire County House of Corrections.

They were originally charged with misdemeanors, but the judge found insufficient evidence for that, and instead found them guilty of violations.

Dale and Lauren were both given $620 fines which they refuse to pay, and will report to jail within one week (barring a pending appeal).

Sean Murphy was sentenced to a $310 fine which he will “pay” by doing community service.

Ian Freeman was sentenced to a $1000 fine. It was originally set at $500, but due to Ian’s perceived “Lack of respect” it was doubled.

No activists are willing to pay a fine – but some are appealing and it may delay any sentenced jail stays.

Video of closing arguments and sentencing can be found recorded at the live stream at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/kdc-live

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Direct link: Video of Sentencing

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190 Comments

  1. "24% is added to all fines." And the prick wonders why Ian calls them a criminal organization.

  2. Once again, there are only three organizations of which I'm aware, that use extortion and violence to punish perceived "disrespect": street gangs, mafias, and the state.

    Everyone else I know earns respect.

    Burke continues to behave like a scumbag thug. In any sane world, he'd be the one in prison.

  3. Paul,

    I'm pretty sure any boss will fire you for being disrespectful, therefore 'extorting' your wages from you.

  4. Ending an employment relationship is not extortion — only a refusal to trade further money for labor. Just as, if I choose not to shop somewhere, I'm certainly not extorting their money from them — I'm just refusing to give them mine.

    Me deciding not to give you my money is entirely different from me threatening violence against you in order to force you to give me yours. These situations are not even remotely similar.

  5. Yes, because, "I don't like you so I'm not going to work with you," is the same as, "I don't like you, so I'm going to rob you, killing you if necessary."

  6. So if the government decided to simply 'stop working with you' (aka, refuse to offer you any of their services even if you wanted them and wanted to pay them for it) you wouldn't be upset?

  7. All the property they claim to own has been taken by force, canole, and they've already extorted many tens of thousands of dollars from me, so they have no right to exclude me from that property.

    One can't steal millions of acres and trillions of dollars, use it to start a business, and then act as if one really owns that property and can dispose of it as one pleases.

  8. what did Ian do that the judge didn't like :that was called "disrespect"

    I think judges and cops are disrespectful.where is MY check?

  9. Paul,

    I'm not talking just about land, I'm talking about government services in general.

  10. David,

    If you feel you have been disrespected you have every right to challenge that and bring it to court.

  11. I’m not talking just about land, I’m talking about government services in general.

    If they will refrain from extorting more money from me in the future, and either cede property back to the people, or work on a payment plan to compensate the people for that property, I'd even be willing to forgive past debts — the money they've already stolen from me and wasted.

    Once they've made the transition to a voluntary organization, they'd have the right to refuse service to anyone.

    As it is, they've stolen my money to fund their "services", and they certainly have no right to refuse access to those services by the people they've robbed.

  12. canoli,
    try that :see who wins
    I'll save you the time :they win and it costs you money
    here is a super UNBIAS link that reflects the real courts everyday ..its a eye opener it has nothing to do with "free state" anything http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/ple

  13. If you feel you have been disrespected you have every right to challenge that and bring it to court.

    So let me get this right. If they think they've been disrespected, they take your money. But it's all okay, because if you feel you've been disrespected, you can ask them to decide whether they will give you their money.

    Perhaps Ian should kindly let Mr. Burke know that if he feels disrespected, Mr. Burke can challenge that and bring it to the court of Ian, where Ian will decide whether to give Mr. Burke his money.

    Or, to be more accurate, whether Ian will extort extra money from his neighbors, and give that money to Burke — government bureaucrats never actually pay settlements with their own money, even in the exceedingly rare cases where they rule against themselves.

    Somehow I don't think that would fly.

  14. An employer can't charge me for disrespect and even if he/she did I wouldn't be required to pay under threat of imprisonment or death. That analogy is entirely ludicrous.

  15. An employer can cut your pay, or demote you.

  16. Holy, an intelligent person like you can't seriously think that absurd analogy holds any water at all.

    Burke can feel free to stop sending Ian checks anytime he wants. He can't mug Ian for cash, based on perceived "disrespect".

  17. Hi canole meet Straw Man….Straw Man, canole.

  18. I agree that it is not a direct correlation, but I think that it still holds merit. It is still a matter of losing money for your attitude.

  19. I like how recently here, whenever I challenge an opinion I am accused of being a troll, or having straw man arguments and so forth.

    I'm sorry if I am the first person to ever disagree with your ideas.

  20. where is Sam's check for that jerk that smashed his video?

    did you see that video canoli?

    that guy smashed sam's camera

    and laughed about it

    and he is suppose to be a upholder of law and order

  21. Feel free to challenge any opinion.

    But when you say that to extort money from a person because you believe they have "disrespected" you is ok, because an employer may fire you for that reason, you're just being ridiculous.

    It's not the fact that you disagree that I'm responding to, it's the absolute absurdity of the argument. Mugging someone is ok (taking their money), because your boss can fire you (refraining from giving you his money)!??

    It seems like sometimes you just jump to defend the status quo without really thinking through your arguments beforehand. You've made good points in the past, and asked even better questions, and I'm very glad you're on this site. I just have a hard time believing even you yourself take this particular argument seriously.

  22. David,

    I didn't see the video but if that is true, then Sam's camera should absolutely be fixed/replace. I don't know why you are being so accusatory with me…

  23. Paul,

    As I said in my last post, isn't it still a matter of losing money that you would already have for your attitude?

    "It seems like sometimes you just jump to defend the status quo without really thinking through your arguments beforehand. "

    That's kind of the job of a devil's advocate :p

  24. General question:

    "No activists are willing to pay a fine – but some are appealing and it may delay any sentenced jail stays."

    So people are going to jail too?

  25. Sorry HC, if it seems harsh — a lot of folks are pretty fed up with this abuse, and so some of that can get redirected to whoever shows up to defend it, even in part.

    I think you're really awesome for coming on here and having a real discussion — but I'm going to come down pretty hard on arguments that defend abuse. I hope you can understand that.

  26. canole. I'm not calling you a troll. Really there's no argument here. The judge has the power to increase the fines/charge for contempt. Its rare for a judge to not at least give fair warning "stop being an ass or I'll hold you for contempt" kinda thing. So if the judge looked at someone and said "i dont like the cut of your gib…$1000 fine" that's egregious. Question: have you ever been arrested or fined for something you believed in and refused to pay, and instead took the jail sentence.

  27. Holy

    You don't lose money for being disrespectful to an employer generally (I am sure that there is some example somewhere to counter this). The money that an employer might "take" from you is future money that you might make if you continue to work for them. You can "take" labor from them by not working. They don't generally take money from you that you have already traded labor for. Employment is a contracting between people and the variables change all of the time. I might work for you and get paid great until the day that I call you a bad word, then you don't want to pay me as much to hang around anymore. If the pay isn't as good as I want, I can choose to leave. Things are great with my wife, but if I treat her disrespectfully she might choose to leave. Those are voluntary interactions. There is nothing voluntary about court.

    I would suspect that the reason some people might be calling you a troll or getting frustrated is because, I believe, that forums are the worst possible way to convince people of things. They are giving you their best, most convincing arguments and, because of the nature of the venue, you remain unconvinced. They might be perceiving that as obstinance when in fact you might remain unconvinced. If you really want to internalize some of these ideas, perhaps a different venue is appropriate, like a discussion over coffee or some such.

    I can assure you that people that believe in liberty enough to pick up and move for it have encountered resistance to those ideas before.

  28. Oh or is it just if they don't pay the fines?

  29. "Question: have you ever been arrested or fined for something you believed in and refused to pay, and instead took the jail sentence."

    No, I've never been arrested or fined.

  30. "If you really want to internalize some of these ideas, perhaps a different venue is appropriate, like a discussion over coffee or some such."

    Been there done that :p

    "I can assure you that people that believe in liberty enough to pick up and move for it have encountered resistance to those ideas before."

    Probably, but I don't think people on this forum are used to it in general. As far as I can tell, I am pretty much the only person who consistently challenges ideas on here.

  31. As I said in my last post, isn’t it still a matter of losing money that you would already have for your attitude?

    That's not the question. Your attitude can definitely positively or negatively affect your situation, that's true without doubt. The question is, "is it moral to extort money from someone, or use violence against them, because you believe they have "disrespected" you?"

    I think the answer is clearly no.

    That’s kind of the job of a devil’s advocate :p

    No!! I don't want you to be a devil's advocate … I want you to argue what you really believe. I mean, what you argue is up to you, not me … but I don't want to waste time discussing an issue with someone that isn't even advancing their true viewpoint.

    And if the counter argument is specious, it's just a waste of time anyway.

    Really, that's what's close to "troll" behavior — arguing what you don't believe just for the sake of conflict. I want to hear what you really think.

  32. Holy,

    Is it a fine or is it extortion?

  33. iM not TRYING to be accusatory
    .i dont mean to come off that way
    I'm just saying that the system can very much be abusing to people and that there isnt much recourse for people
    especially people who have less $$
    as shown in the very fine video reference above

  34. So people are going to jail too?

    Probably.

    I know I wouldn't begin civil disobedience, unless I planned to go to jail if necessary, rather than pay a fine.

  35. "No!! I don’t want you to be a devil’s advocate … I want you to argue what you really believe. I mean, what you argue is up to you, not me … but I don’t want to waste time discussing an issue with someone that isn’t even advancing their true viewpoint."

    haha, sorry charlie, you don't get to dictate how I decide to advance my viewpoints :p

  36. If it's really your viewpoint, fine … if it's an argument you don't even believe yourself … perhaps put a warning up so I don't waste my time explaining why it's wrong.

    If I were a math teacher, and a student understood long division, but just kept pretending he didn't, in order to see me try to explain it to him repeatedly … I'd probably be a bit frustrated at him for wasting my time.

    Please don't proffer arguments that you know are baloney, just to waste people's time — really, that is trollish behavior.

    If you're honestly explaining or arguing what you truly believe, that's never trolling.

    I'm really glad you're on here to challenge things — I wish more of those with differing viewpoints came on here. But only if it's a real discussion. I've got plenty of better things to do with my life than waste time on fake debates.

  37. here is the video of the guy smashing sams camera and laughing about it http://freekeene.com/2010/04/28/raw-video-court-b
    I believe sam hasn't gotten compensated for this assault yet

    that guys name is dwayn something

  38. >No, I’ve never been arrested or fined.

    Then the question is would you be willing to not comply and even be "disrespectful" for something you believed in?

  39. Oh holy, don't you see? They only want you to argue a little bit. Once you question their inherent superiority or you make too much sense, they turn on you like a pack of dogs. Poor Ian, he's so righteous. Making a moral stand on car registration. He sure picks issues at the heart of all that it means to be free. Soldier on, freedom fighters!!

    Is there some catchy saying like Semper fidelis that we can use?

  40. Once you question their inherent superiority

    When did I ever claim to be inherently superior!?

    or you make too much sense

    Did you read the argument she proffered? Mugging as a response to attitude is ok, because termination of employment as a response to attitude is ok?

    You think that made sense?

    I'm asking for her to argue honestly — I'm asking for MORE sense.

    Rensorg, I would love to have a substantive discussion. Lay the sense on me. You could start by answering the questions I put to you, which you continue to refuse to answer. I'd be happy to repost them if you've forgotten — just let me know.

    It's really sad how some people are so terrified of real discussion and honest thinking … better to just launch sarcastic cheap shots.

  41. SEMPER ASINUS!!!!

  42. rensorg

    again you sound like a jerk

    go back to URANUS or whatever planet you came from

  43. DAVID, MY BROTHER! JOIN US! WE ARE ALL ONE! SEMPER ASINUS!!

  44. Thanks for the update. This whole "case" is re-dic. Where's the victim? Glad none of y'all are paying their ransom.

    Much love and respect.

  45. canoli,

    did you watch the video http://freekeene.com/2010/04/28/raw-video-court-b
    I would like to hear your view of it. Granted Sam was being persistant no dout .

    What did you think of Dwane Dehotman's behavior?

    Is this how you want the people in the justice system to behave?

    Your tax dollars at work.

    There has been no restitution for this .

  46. You commit a crime, found guilty, but if the Judge doesn't like your attitude he can punish you for your beliefs? So you're saying this is okay with you Holy? This is what happened to Ian today.

    Judge Burke is corrupt person, given powers that he obviously can't handle.

    Either way, your system is losing money by continuing to attempt to extract money from peaceful people protesting on public (common) property. It will continue to lose money everytime thugs in costume attempt to stifle freedom of speech.

    Someday, you'll be on the end of aggressive people attempting to stifle your freedom of speech. Most people you have contempt for here will stand behind you and stick up for you.

  47. anton lee,

    well said

    very to the point

    thanks

    ps,

    dont get a swelled head cuz i said that

  48. This guy can get fucked.

    You guys should of told him to get fucked. That's what the sentence should be for him to fuck off!!!

  49. "fuck this judge",

    also very well said

    thanks

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