Goodbye, Will. I wish you the best.

WillWill May is a great inside-the-system activist, and I’m sad to see him leave Free Keene. I invited him to blog here a long way back and he eventually took me up on the offer. Since then, he’s provided some really great content, despite the fact that unlike the rest of the bloggers here, he supports some level of coercion against peaceful people. Still, I thought it would be good to have someone blogging here who comes from a different perspective, and it was.

Sadly, he’s fallen into the trap that many politics-only activists have in the past. He has identified some activism that he doesn’t like (holding certain government workers accountable) and has decided that the reason he fails at his activism is because of the actions of other people that he can’t control. Since he’s frustrated, as he admits, he has decided to throw up his hands and call it quits from this blog.

Like many people who have decided that someone else is the source of their problems and frustration, he is lashing out verbally on the way out the door. In a revealing thread on the Shire Society forum, he attacks me regarding my activism – in this case specifically regarding my support of Derrick’s recording of a crossing guard at the local middle school. When pressed, as you’ll see in the thread, Will (named Skeptikos on the forum) reveals that he thinks it is okay to record all government bureaucrats except “little old lady crossing guards”. Why just the one exception? He bases his opinion of what is good activism on what others think about it, not what is right and wrong. In the thread he admits that there is nothing immoral about recording little old lady crossing guards, but that he just thinks that it’s “stupid”.

However, aside from personal attacks against me in the forum thread, the most insulting part is how he treats my fellow activists, friends, and bloggers, with his suggestion that this is somehow a “cult of personality”. I realize Will tends to not run in the activism circles I do, but the idea that my activist friends and co-bloggers are somehow worshipful of me is ludicrous and contrary to reality. It’s a low blow, Will, and completely uncalled for. If you really want my friends to ostracize me for some of my activism with which you disagree, why would you insult them?

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109 Comments

  1. You sir are an ass… You feel the need to

    A throw his name out there (if wanted that he would have posted it himself)

    B get the last word in

    C discredit him in some attempt of damage control

    D belittle him as beneath you

    Ian grow up, wake up, and find some kind of moral compass.

  2. "Like many people who have decided that someone else is the source of their problems and frustration"

    Hold up, isn't this your whole life philosophy, Ian? That other people are the source of your problems? You view the state as infringing on your ability to achieve liberty, Will views you as infringing on his ability to achieve liberty.

    And once again, I see you have chosen the 'he's attacking me' stance, while you're clearly too blind to realize that you are in fact alienating the very people who you should be working with if you want any chance at success….he's not attacking you, he's trying to get you to wake up and join reality–and all credit to him, I personally believe it is a futile effort, and a post like this from you only corroborates that belief.

  3. My name is public knowledge. It has been listed on the bloggers page since I've been blogging here. I am not bothered that he posted it.

  4. Sorry, "…?", but you've got it wrong. I don't care what other people do, so long as they aren't aggressing against peaceful people.

    People in politics, like Will, have a tendency to be very sensitive to the actions of others. They have been complaining about noncooperation and civil disobedience for years.

    Anytime you disobey, it's a guarantee some people would be upset – including some that would have worked with you inside the system on some issues. It's just how it goes.

  5. "Skeptikos on Wed, 21st Mar 2012 10:45 am

    My name is public knowledge. It has been listed on the bloggers page since I’ve been blogging here. I am not bothered that he posted it."

    Noted…

    I withdraw A. But the rest I stand by.

  6. Thanks, Will. As any good porcupine hunter should know, all FK's bloggers are named and photo'd on the bloggers page.

  7. Also, you must have missed the compliments I gave Will in the first paragraph. I think he's a great activist with good intentions, and I completely understand what he's doing.

  8. I did not ask him to leave this blog at any point. He made this choice. I really hope he can help Free Manch, because they sure need it.

  9. Again, Ian, you are revealing your absolute inability to take any sort of feedback. You figure the ONLY reasonable explaination for Will's post is that he is 'sensitive' because he is 'in politics' when in fact he is expressing very valid criticisms which people both involved and not involved with Free Keene alike have been trying to tell you for quite some time now.

  10. See I just thought those were fake names considering how yours is listed as Ian Freeman there but I know your name is Ian Bernard. Hows that paperwork coming?

  11. I seeeeem to see a lot of people telling you the same thing. Not just haters, but like, friends of yours. Maybe you should start listening to people, instead of just brushing it off and pretending you are right all the time?

  12. Scumbag Ian: Espouses Non-Aggression principle, uses passive-aggression instead

  13. Wow Ian, thanks for turning a farewell to Will into your own personal soapbox. I don't agree with everything Will says either (in fact, I have some huge problems with his critiques of anarchism and libertarianism) but geez man, it's just plain rude to say shit like, "Will says X. Apparently, ….." all condescending and such.

    My website: http://propagandalalaland.blogspot.com/

  14. Ian, you are the sort of person who wins a debate and then goes to demoralize them. Why i find fault with this post? Its because the mature thing to do would be to call him and wish him well but here you are standing on the mountain scream about it. You start with a compliment to justify your stance and then you go to rub his face in why you are better.

  15. About that crossing guard incident –

    Within the previous 2 weeks, a Walpole school kid shoots his face off at school,

    and then a "domestic" goes badly, a guy flees with a gun, and several schools are locked down…

    That crossing guard was VERY aware of those incidents…

    She KNOWS that Ian & Co. have Trespass notices for school property….

    So, Ian & FAGGOT DERRICK & Kelly show up, as school is letting out,

    and the crossing lady is WORKING, and you GET IN HER PERSONAL SPACE,

    and she mildly over-reacts out of genuine concern, and legitimate fear for her

    safety, and the safety of the children…

    Then, you asswipes post a video claiming SHE assaulted YOU???…WTF???

    How many times do I have to say this???…

    If you had POLITELY approached her, either BEFORE, or AFTER

    her daily duties, and kept your distance, you could have probably filmed a great little conversation….

    It's not THAT you did it, it IS HOW you did it….

    Agreed?……….Anyone….???……..

    In my opinion, this time, you people are going DOWN….

    I think you should be turned over to the FEDS…

    Let's try out that new NDAA Obama signed…………

    Indefinite detention, coming to an Ian near YOU!……….

  16. Naomi, if I am wrong to support Derrick's recording of the crossing guard, please explain how. Thanks!

  17. hey Ian when was the last time a crossing guard passed a law you dint like?

    Also read KOKs post think it might give you a clue.

  18. Ian, it's not about one, single, isolated incident which you can defend till you're blue in the face….it's the fact that the accumulation of your actions in recent months/years has angered many of the very people who share your views on liberty–let alone many MORE people who don't. The fact that you are still sticking by your antics rather than at least ACKNOWLEDGING the POSSIBILITY that they might be hurting your cause and alienating people is, quite frankly, completely childish–which I guess is in line with the rest of your personality.

  19. Ian on Wed, 21st Mar 2012 11:17 am

    Naomi, if I am wrong to support Derrick’s recording of the crossing guard, please explain how. Thanks!

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Ian: "Naomi! MOMMY! HELP!, HELP!, Naomi! PLEASE! HELP! HELP!

    *fuck-you*, Ian, you shit the bed, you sleep in it…

    Watch. Ian won't reply to MY posts…

  20. I'm not even about to get into that circle jerk argument with you, Ian. I am of course referring to the instance as a whole. Lots of us have spoken to you about your tactics, and all you do is give us the finger.

    If you really want to win hearts and minds, the sarcastic and smart ass comments are NOT doing the trick. If you truly want change, you need to have tact. Which, you clearly lack. Even I know when to shut off my sarcasm, and speak on the level that is appropriate. You need major schooling in public relations.

  21. Can't wait to see how many (if any) people come to your defense here, Ian….besides Derek.

    Maybe THEN you'll realize that you're shooting yourself in the foot by being so reactionary and defensive rather than taking honest, well-meaning suggestions by your colleagues under consideration.

  22. ..?, if you would read the forum thread, I think you'll know I acknowledge that people are upset by some of my activism. I accept that.

  23. Just because I blog here at a popular liberty activism website doesn't mean that I agree with everything that happens in the community where the blog is based and/or agree with the other bloggers positions.

    I come here to give my opinions on issues and I would have liked having you stay so that I am not the only one promoting peaceful in-the-system work here.

    Good luck elsewhere Will!

  24. "Ian on Wed, 21st Mar 2012 11:28 am

    ..?, if you would read the forum thread, I think you’ll know I acknowledge that people are upset by some of my activism. I accept that."

    NO! you dont. if you did you would alter your tactics you recognize it but you dont not accept it.

  25. do not****

  26. I see, Naomi. Critique that matters the most for me is from my friends and activists. Since you called me a scumbag earlier, I don't really consider you a friend.

    Least important critique – anonymous commenters

    More important – people I know in real life

    Most important – personal friends and fellow activists

    Just because I don't agree with someone's critique doesn't mean that I didn't listen. I fully support Derrick because government workers should be subject to being recorded, no matter how old and no matter their gender.

  27. Ian, what defines a government worker? Is it someone who gets their income from the government?

  28. "If you really want to win hearts and minds, the sarcastic and smart ass comments are NOT doing the trick. If you truly want change, you need to have tact."

    Agreed Naomi, but I would also argue that FK in general lacks tact as well. What exactly have they accomplished aside from attracting more libertarians to Keene (although I'd also credit Lew Rockwell with that as well)? Have they built any solidarity with the locals? Every time I've talked to free staters or potential free staters outside the FK circle all of them tell me that FK is hated by native residents of Keene. Shouldn't that be enough to make them stop and think what kind of image their actions are creating for not just the FSP but for the libertarian movement in general?

    Meanwhile, anarchists/libertarian socialists continue to participate in Food Not Bombs, solidarity networks, the IWW….

  29. "..?, if you would read the forum thread, I think you’ll know I acknowledge that people are upset by some of my activism. I accept that."

    Acknowledging the existence of something is not the same as taking it under consideration, Ian. You often 'acknowledge' that people don't like what you're doing, but you then attribute that essentially to them not really understanding the purpose OR to the fact that they have 'statist sympathis' as you just did with Will, by asserting that he only has a problem with your tactics because he is invovled with politics.

    Your friends are asking you to realize that you are hurting the cause that you and they both believe in….and instead you go on to insult them and write them off, rather than saying you are willing to listen and work with them.

  30. Well then, I guess my opinion doesn't matter. Anyone else wanna take a go at it?

  31. When did I insult Will? I can find examples of him insulting me, but I see no insult in my post. It's not an insult to disagree with someone.

  32. Naomi, dont feel bad obviously he is blind to the truth of things, look how he feels cornered on one issue and try to change the subject. He is little more than a child, thinking that misdirection and distraction will save him.

  33. Naomi – Sure it matters – just not as much as it would have if you hadn't called me names.

    Besides, you don't want to discuss the issue that sparked all of this – the recording of the crossing guard.

    Some people support it. Some oppose. What's new?

  34. Ian, your miss the point its not this video its THE videoS. You love to play the innocent game, the stupid game, and the I cant hear you game but we are sick of it. The natives of Keene, your fellow Free Keeners, other Libertarians, and many more, your methods are stupid, and childish, your progress is counter productive, you have been here for how many years and what have you achieved?

  35. "Most important – personal friends and fellow activists"

    Your friends are usually going to tell you that you're right. That's why they are your friends. Everyone knows when your mom tells you you're "special" and "talented", it means dick. It took me listening to some very unfavorable suggestions to get me to finally realize some of my mistakes I was making. Until then, probably best you not associate yourself with the Free State Project until you can learn to play nice with the other kids on the playground.

  36. You've stated multiple times on this thread alone that you believe the only reason Will chose to write his "Peaceful Devolution" blog is becuase he is involved with politics…insinuating that his criticisms about your tactics are invalid because he doesn't really understand where you're coming from, and he is merely 'verbally lashing out'–not trying to offer a real analysis of the situation.

    If I were in Will's place, I would absolutely be insulted that you refuse to take any constructive criticism seriously, and instead proclaim that anyone who questions you is simply not on the same playing field as you….then again, if I was in Will's place I would also not be surprised to see this happen seeing as you do it all the time.

    You are a great manipulator, Ian, and you can use passive aggression so well people might think you get paid for it….but that doesn't mean people also can't see through your ridiculous martyr 'I never insult anyone' stunts.

    Defend yourself all you want…it doesn't look like anyone else is going to.

  37. "Ian, your miss the point its not this video its THE videoS. You love to play the innocent game, the stupid game, and the I cant hear you game but we are sick of it. The natives of Keene, your fellow Free Keeners, other Libertarians, and many more, your methods are stupid, and childish, your progress is counter productive, you have been here for how many years and what have you achieved?"

    YUP.

  38. I thought you were leaving Will?

    Peace out! Dont come back.

  39. “Ian, your miss the point its not this video its THE videoS. You love to play the innocent game, the stupid game, and the I cant hear you game but we are sick of it. The natives of Keene, your fellow Free Keeners, other Libertarians, and many more, your methods are stupid, and childish, your progress is counter productive, you have been here for how many years and what have you achieved?”

    He's made a bunch of money with FTL. Like a good capitalist.

    Now that's not ironic.

  40. Thanks, Brad.

    Unfortunately, I suspect that by blogging here, in Ian's eyes you are lending credence to his more unsavory activism. And, if your experience is anything like mine, your time promoting in-the-system activism (or just plain good sense) will be wasted, because Ian will simply ignore you and stay the course, and Ian seems to be the primary driver of the activism that we both feel is counterproductive.

    That's why I'm encouraging you to blog elsewhere. The best way to promote your cause is to leave. If you want a nice place to blog, there's always Free Manch. Carla Gericke says there will be a Free603 groupblog in a few months, and I'll probably end up blogging there. Apparently the FSP site will be overhauled soon, and that's another option. And I'd be happy to consider other group blog arrangements, if someone has another proposal. I just don't see any reason to be blogging here, and I see good reasons to leave.

  41. Ian, it looks like your FK colleagues (of all people) are also taking issues with your activism methods and attitude. Perhaps you should take all of these criticisms into account and work towards changing yourself instead of pointing fingers?

    More reason why I have a hard time believing right-libertarians when they talk about "personal responsibility" and "egoist virtue ethics". Ughhhh.

  42. My friends think different things. Some like some of my activism, some don't.

    My associates also think different things. "The community" are individuals who think different things.

    It is impossible to please everyone, so I'll just follow my heart and do what feels right. It's right to record government people. Will it upset some people? Yep!

    Have I made mistakes? Sure! Have I changed my approach based on input from friends and associates? Absolutely. See how the school outreach project has changed over time as an example.

    At least I'm out doing stuff. I'll fail my way to success and you guys can complain about it.

  43. Ah yes, the 'everyone has different opinions so all opinions about me are invalid and I'm going to just keep doing what I do' approach…classic Ian.

  44. I feel you have done so much damage to your public face, that outsiders don't even want to listen to you anymore. That includes those in office, and police. Your word has become worthless, and they only see you as a threat, and not someone who will listen to reason. I don't think I am alone in the belief that the Free Keene tactics brought the bearcat into Keene.

    If some of your fellow non free keene colleagues were to make you a list of things you could work on, would you at least be willing to try it, and show you are in support of working together? At least try, not continuously. But an attempt.

  45. "If some of your fellow non free keene colleagues were to make you a list of things you could work on, would you at least be willing to try it, and show you are in support of working together? At least try, not continuously. But an attempt."

    This has been done before…he said he would try to work on the suggestions, laid low for a while, and then resumed business as usual.

  46. Lame.

  47. Ian, you forgot to append your post with, "I forgive you, Will."

    That would be the pious thing to do.

  48. Ian on Wed, 21st Mar 2012 11:40 am

    When did I insult Will? I can find examples of him insulting me, but I see no insult in my post. It’s not an insult to disagree with someone.

    "…blah, blah, blah, nice things about Will…blah, blah, blah…

    Sadly, he’s fallen into the trap that many politics-only activists have in the past. He has identified some activism that he doesn’t like (holding certain government workers accountable) and has decided that the reason he fails at his activism is because of the actions of other people that he can’t control. Since he’s frustrated, as he admits, he has decided to throw up his hands and call it quits from this blog.

    Like many people who have decided that someone else is the source of their problems and frustration, he is lashing out verbally on the way out the door. In a revealing thread on the Shire Society forum, he attacks me regarding my activism – in this case specifically regarding my support of Derrick’s recording of a crossing guard at the local middle school. When pressed, as you’ll see in the thread, Will (named Skeptikos on the forum) reveals that he thinks it is okay to record all government bureaucrats except “little old lady crossing guards”. Why just the one exception? He bases his opinion of what is good activism on what others think about it, not what is right and wrong. In the thread he admits that there is nothing immoral about recording little old lady crossing guards, but that he just thinks that it’s “stupid”.

    However, aside from personal attacks against me in the forum thread, the most insulting part is how he treats my fellow activists, friends, and bloggers, with his suggestion that this is somehow a “cult of personality”. I realize Will tends to not run in the activism circles I do, but the idea that my activist friends and co-bloggers are somehow worshipful of me is ludicrous and contrary to reality. It’s a low blow, Will, and completely uncalled for. If you really want my friends to ostracize me for some of my activism with which you disagree, why would you insult them?"

    That, Litthe ian, is where you insulted him. Say nice things about him, then throw him under the bus as he is leaving the sinking ship.

    No, I don't mean to imply Will is a rat.

    that would be you, ian.

  49. This is fucking hilarious. Ian loves the community, but if you're not his friend scratching his moley back at the KAC, your opinion means dick to him.

    You could have made this whole blog a lot shorter by writing:

    Good bye Will, you're a great guy, do great work, I'm gonna miss you, except that you have expressed yourself in a way that I feel it has insulted me and I think you're really a dick. Why are you and Free Manch such dicks? The End.

    Denial is so one tracked Ian….better decelerate that train of yours or you might miss the chance to switch tracks. Skeptikos and I have traded jabs on here in an attempt to one up each other, so naturally I am a troll to him and others, but actually…..besides Jardis, you're losing the ONE person who does at least, listen to reason, feels for others regardless of occupation, is able to think outside of the box in terms of activism, and lastly….and most importantly…..accept feedback in a non defensive 'I will get the last word by using the least amount' way.

    It has taken five years or so, but the finger of fate is about 1cm away from FK's legitimacy/make a difference self destruct button. And it is of your own doing.

    JMO

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