Vape Shop Owner Announces Run for Keene Council After Vote to Expand Nicotine Prohibition

City councilor Margaret Rice, one of the few sane voices on this issue, speaks out in favor of self-ownership.

City councilor Margaret Rice, one of the few sane voices on this issue, speaks out in favor of self-ownership.

Just one day after the 85th anniversary of the repeal of alcohol prohibition, the Keene City Council voted 10-4 to publicly express their ignorance on the matter and increase nicotine prohibition within the city limits. All of the testimony on the matter given on at least three separate occasions didn’t matter, despite most testifying against the idea.

Reminding the councilors of the lessons of history didn’t work. Though alcohol prohibition was a tragic, predictable failure, apparently they councilors think that banning the sale to and possession of nicotine by those under the age of 21 is going to somehow keep it out of the hands of middle schoolers. The councilors who voted in favor never addressed the fact that middle schoolers are already able to acquire nicotine despite it being illegal for them to do so. They also didn’t explain how increasing the legal age to 21 from 18 would have any effect on underage possession.

That’s because prohibition is an authoritarian fantasy that never works and always has predictable, destructive, unintended consequences. All they are doing is punishing innocent store owners’ bottom line and increasing the likelihood that more college students will be harassed by the police for simply walking down the street with a vaporizer or cigarette and “looking under 21”.

They’ve ramped up the futile, pointless, counterproductive war on drugs in Keene and we’re all going to be worse off for it. The ban has also sparked a political fire in Dan Cavallero, the owner of Monadnock Vapor, who has announced he’s planning to run for Keene city council in 2019 as a result of this stupid move by the council.

Cavallero has been the most active opponent of the measure, having attended every public hearing and testified, even while on crutches from a recent injury. Here’s the last public hearing video from the city’s MSFI committee which features Cavallero, me, and others testifying against the insanity of prohibition. Sadly, it fell on deaf ears:

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33 Comments

  1. Good. We need new blood on the council.

  2. It seems that from the commentary provided by the people representing the city, it’s the city’s position that it’s a privilege to be able to choose what you put into your own body and that the city simply allows this agency in most areas but has the RIGHT to revoke this at any point. All of this in an age where we seem to be realizing that it’s also more humane to allow someone to take their own life. Would these same councilors suggest that’s it immoral and wrong to commit suicide when the quality of life has diminished to the point that living is less desirable than death? Is this consistent?

  3. Some prohibit nicotine and some prohibit Jews. Prohibitionists = Nazis.

  4. Indeed Lester. These city council guys sure care a lot about scoring moral character points with the busybody demographic, don’t they? You’d best vote them out sooner than later.

  5. Ian, you said middle school children are already obtaining nicotine products. Just what are those products? People are more educated about the effects of smoking and nicotine. Vaping has just as much nicotine as cigarettes. Smoking is everyone’s problem. One person lights up and those around him/her are also inhaling second hand smoke and being exposed to dangerous carcinogens. A smoker doesn’t have the right to put my health in jeopardy. Children do not need nicotine products. Restrictions on these products are a good thing and soon more and more restrictions will be placed on nicotine products.

    Running for city council isn’t going to change anything. Her business is in jeopardy. She chose to be in the market with a product that is being restricted all the time. What does she expect.

    There are no positive arguments or scientific data to support a convincing argument to be pro smoking or nicotine.

  6. Jacks my sweets, in what way are the smokers of Keene, NH putting YOUR health at risk? After all, you live far, far away from here, now don’t you pookums?

    Oh, and Jacks? I see you’re one of those sorts who still believes in all of that nonsense about secondhand smoke. I wonder why you haven’t bothered to keep up on all of the scientific studies pertaining to this topic? Why even some of the lefties over at Slate have given up on this ridiculous notion!

  7. By the way, Jacks, there are lots of benefits to using nicotine. Even those fine lads at over at Harvard Medical School seem to think so!

    https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/Nicotine_It_may_have_a_good_side

    And it’s not just them! There are others who understand that nicotine use has its benefits as well! Boy, it’s a good thing there are still honest folks around to tell us the truth about these sorts of things, right Jacks?

    https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/xw7agz/four-surprising-potential-health-benefits-of-nicotine

    https://www.nootropedia.com/benefits-of-nicotine/

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/06/opinion/sunday/can-nicotine-be-good-for-you.html

  8. They didn’t come for the trade unionists yet so I don’t give a flying flip

  9. Jacks: There are major differences between products with nicotine. Being pro freesom does not make one pro smoking. I reconize the dangers and still reconize that vape products are better in some ways than cigarettes even if both have nicotine. The danger is not in the nicotine, but other carcinogens in the cigarettes more or less. That isn’t to say that vape might not be more addictive etc. There is also no such thing as second hand smoke from vaping. You are not putting anybody in danger and yet you still argue against something you are ignorant about. Vape products are actually a better way to get yourself off cigarettes because they don’t make you sick like other treatment options.

  10. The key element to Jacks’s thinking is that his ambitions are much more important than anyone else’s. You see Kk, Jacks here knows best how to live our lives and he’s absolutely unwavering in his commitment to live it for us no matter what anyone says to the contrary. Isn’t he just the best, Kk?

  11. Did you all see Graham vaping in the front row of a Keene court?.. It was funny… Them days ain’t coming back lol… It was in a pic or video

  12. Kk – There is dangers from second hand smoke while vaping. Vaping has just as many carcinogens as smoking cigarettes Vaping is the same as smoking twice as many cigarettes. The info is out there. I suggest you educate yourself. Vaping is just another way to get nicotine in your system and continue to keep the same bad habits while trying to convince yourself that it is better then smoking cigarettes.

    This is what’s in the vapors you inhale and the second hand smoke.

    Acrolein damages lungs by attacking the molecules that hold endothelial cells together. [1,2]
    Diethylene glycol, which is an ingredient in antifreeze [3,4]
    Nitrosamines,[3,4] which are linked to cancer.[6]
    Potentially toxic carbonyls, including formaldehyde, acetaldehyde, acetone, and butanol.[9] One study found that with vaping, the exposure to formaldehyde is five to 15 times higher than the exposure from smoking cigarettes.[5]
    Lead, a neurotoxin. [6]
    Heavy metals and silicates that the liquid picks up from device’s heating element.[7]
    Further, in vitro research suggests potential cytotoxic effects of e-liquid flavorings.[7]
    Propylene glycol, a solvent that is best known for its use in fog machines, which can cause eye and lung irritation

    So no, vaping is not better for you or the second hand vapors that bystanders have to endure. There are no positive empirical scientific evidence that say differently.

  13. That was a first-rate cut and paste you did there, Jacks. Kudos! But you really do need to start putting more effort into keeping up with this science stuff. It’s not 1982 anymore, pookums!

    https://academic.oup.com/jnci/article/105/24/1844/2517805

  14. Jacks your talking bullshit all the science on vaping says it’s relatively safe equivalent to to drinking coffee

    Considering what an anti drug zealot you happen to you’d probably have caffiene banned you’ve probably already gathered articles & other data to already confirm your anti drug bias ad you’ve done on all other substances.

    Here’s an idea why don’t you cease telling peeps how to live their lives & FUCK OFF! What the fuck are you doing posting here anyways I mean you ain’t going to convince anybody of you bullshit peeps just think you a nuisance.

  15. But ZX81, can’t you see how “educated” Jacks is about these matters? That alone makes him eminently qualified to tell the rest of us how to live our lives, don’t you think?

  16. ZX81 – you are just talking out of your ass. There is no positive data for any kind of smoking or vaping. The people I take care of cannot smoke or vape in my facilities. Where or not I approve of caffeine has nothing to do with this post. Your ants and raves fall on deaf ears. You refuse to educate yourself even though you know you are wrong. Posting a couple of articles you think would argue your case means nothing. they are all conjecture and what if’s. I get the real medical journals you couldn’t afford or come by.

    Another farce you have said “I mean you ain’t going to convince anybody” I’m not here to convince anyone. I post the facts that you people have not educated yourselves with.

    You said, “Here’s an idea why don’t you cease telling peeps how to live their lives & FUCK OFF! What the fuck are you doing posting here anyways” – Show me one thing on this forum that says i can’t post here. If I disagree with the information posted on this forum, I’m going to say so. If you can’t handle it, you “fuck” off.

    By the way, if you don’t like what I have to say on this forum, Don’t read it and certainly don’t respond to it. Those are your only two choices.

    Besides, I have a right to post my opinions just like you. Grow up.

  17. Federal courts have upheld the right of a terminally ill 18 year old man to have a lethal cocktail of chemicals injected into his bloodstream administered by a physician but the people representing the city of keene, and their attorney, intend to prevent him from vaping.

  18. You know Jacks, a peer-reviewed study on second-hand smoke is hardly something to consider as conjecture. Frankly my dear, I think you’ve been granting those people you’re heroically taking care of a huge disservice by refusing to expand that narrow education of yours beyond what you learned in nursing school. Don’t you think you owe it to your patients to remain up to date with current medical literature, pookums?

  19. Jacks loves to twist peoples words. Nobody said vaping was good for you. It’s just not harmful to people near you the same way second hand smoke from cigarettes have at least at one point or another been argued to be. Nicotine is addictive and in that sense vaping is no better, but that isn’t the part that kills. The part that kills doesn’t get exhausted when vaping so the entire argument that we should ban it is utter propaganda by nut jobs like yourself that want to control everyone. Your a violent lunatic that I’d argue somebody would be justified in shooting in self defense. You use your powers that be (voting) to take part in kidnapping, violent acts, and theft of non-violent persons and who do not steal.

  20. kk – Show me where I am twisting words? You are wrong about the second hand smoke from vaping. Nicotine ingestion causes high blood pressure, increases your risk of a heart attack or stroke. I already posted the carcinogens associated with vaping. You chose not to listen to reason regarding your health and the health of others.

    Prove I’m a violent “lunatic” Those are your words and very stupid words at that. Making a statement that you would shoot me just shows the infantile thoughts rolling around in the space between your ears.

    Your violent remarks clearly show you are not mature enough to take part in any civilized conversation.

    You said, ” You use your powers that be (voting) to take part in kidnapping, violent acts, and theft of non-violent persons and who do not steal”. I exercise my right to vote. That is guaranteed under the Constitution and state law. I’m sure you don’t even know what amendment(s) voting falls under. I would look at the violent part of your ridiculous statements.

    Thomas Parisi – A recent mover to New Hampshire is being investigated for the disappearance of Brook Lynn Peck in Florida. Gee, I wonder why he left Florida in such a hurry.

    Chris Cantwell – The crying nazi. Anti Semite and violent person who used a pepper spray on innocent people at the last nazi rally in North Carolina.

    Cody Wilson – Accosted a teen age girl and raped her.

    Ian Bernard – Admitted to dating underage girls and advocates for this type of behavior. Not to mention still under investigation for child porn.

    All these people are part of the libertarian movement not to mention three of them live in the Keene area and associate themselves with free Keene

    So as you can see, your ranting and raving is very immature and very wrong. I suggest you educated yourself before exposing yourself as an uneducated moronic hillbilly.

  21. Vaping did not exist in 1982. There wasn’t any “science stuff” on the matter. Why don’t you do us all a favor and breathe deeply over a campfire.

  22. Jacks my sweets, how is it possible to have a civilized conversation with you when you keep insisting upon poking a gun into everyone’s back and insisting that we live our lives the way YOU want us to?

  23. Oh, and Jacks? Did you know that caffeine, sugar, and salt are also known to elevate blood pressure? Once you violent lunatics have successfully banned all nicotine products for public consumption, will banning those things be next on your list? I’m sure they will be. You busybodying types can never, ever leave people to live their lives as they see fit, now can you pookie bear?

  24. My goodness, NNH! Aren’t you a little rapscallion! But I wasn’t referring to vaping, sweet pea. I was commenting on the fanciful notion of “passive smoking.” That idea was all the rage in the 1980s, now wasn’t it dearest?

  25. Jacks:

    “Show me where I am twisting words? ”

    I already pointed one example out. ie “Nobody said vaping was good for you.”

    ” Nicotine ingestion causes high blood pressure, increases your risk of a heart attack or stroke.”

    Again- that has nothing to do with second hand smoke from vaping because the exhaust is water vapor. What you are referring to is the direct ingest by persons vaping and not second hand smoke.

    “I already posted the carcinogens associated with vaping.”

    Nobody disagrees that vaping has carcinogens- but that doesn’t mean there is second hand smoke that is endangering others nearby. The direct and indirect impact between vaping and smoking cigarettes are vastly different. You are either an idiot or intentionally misleading people by twisting statistics in such a way that are highly misleading.

    “You chose not to listen to reason regarding your health and the health of others. ”

    What you are saying is propaganda rather than reason. You don’t want to have an intelligent conversation about the dangers because the only statistics that matter or interpretation thereof which can be correct in your mind is one that is negative or “proves” people should do that thing. In the real world near everything we do poses a risk and people like you can’t comprehend that math needs to be taken into consideration before declining to do something that has even minimal negative consequences or risk. If we didn’t consider the math then you would need to lock yourself in your house and never leave. Obviously the consquences are more negative if you do that because you won’t get treatment when needed and that is even likely to result in an early death. The risks to going out on the road are real, but they aren’t to the extent that we should barricade ourselves indoors and never leave. However your irrational “logic” or fears would have us do just that.

    “Prove I’m a violent “lunatic”

    I’m pretty confident everybody here already agrees with me on this because you consistently demonstrate your willingness to use your voting rights to violate via voting for people that will enact laws that will be supported by other violent actors that you support whom will use violence, theft, and kidnapping on other people who have committed no violence/theft themselves. So it’s not self defense and that anything short of that is morally re-pungent.

    “Making a statement that you would shoot me just shows the infantile thoughts rolling around in the space between your ears. ”

    Again- you are twisting my words. I never said anything about me shooting you jacks. Arguing that there is justification for doing so in self defense is not the same thing as making a threat against your life or shooting you.

    “Your violent remarks clearly show you are not mature enough to take part in any civilized conversation. ”

    Your reading comprehension clearly shows you are not mature enough to be on the internet. But then again- I’m not going to stop you from getting on because I still respect the right of the individual to make decisions for themselves about such matters.

    ” I exercise my right to vote. That is guaranteed under the Constitution and state law. I’m sure you don’t even know what amendment(s) voting falls under. I would look at the violent part of your ridiculous statements.”

    OK- bringing up irrelevant information. Nobody is talking about the law here. We’re talking about morals. The law does not dictate what is and isn’t moral.

    “Thomas Parisi – A recent mover to New Hampshire is being investigated for the disappearance of Brook Lynn Peck in Florida. Gee, I wonder why he left Florida in such a hurry.”

    You do realize that there are more than 5 people who have moved to New Hampshire as part of the Free State Project right? You do realize that an investigation is not proof of anything. You do realize the people you look up to (cops) are violent thugs that can’t be trusted? So why would I make any judgment about this person based on a mere “investigation” or accusation from someone like you who consistently lies and misleads? The answer is I wouldn’t/don’t.

    “Chris Cantwell – The crying nazi. Anti Semite and violent person who used a pepper spray on innocent people at the last nazi rally in North Carolina.”

    Not everybody is a principled libertarian who calls them self a libertarian. I don’t get to choose who calls them self a libertarian. Just like I don’t get to choose who calls themselves a respectable human being. I wouldn’t consider you a respectable human being, but that doesn’t mean you can’t call yourself that.

    “Cody Wilson – Accosted a teen age girl and raped her. ”

    That is misleading. The only way you can argue that is if you use legal mumble jumbo rather than common English to make the claim. Nobody else would interpret consensual (again the common understanding and definition, not some legal definition) sex to be rape (the common understanding and definition, not some mambo jumbo legal definition). Only an idiot like you or lawyer who is interpreting law would be able to make a statement like that and think they are right.

    “Ian Bernard – Admitted to dating underage girls and advocates for this type of behavior. Not to mention still under investigation for child porn.”

    I’m not sure he’s ever “admitted” to that, but assuming he has underage girls are not illegal to date. What would be illegal is having sex with them. That I know he has never stated doing. What you call underage is not in fact underage. It’s entirely legal in NH for someone to date and have sex with a 16+ year old women. Using the word girl to try and imply pre-publesent sex won’t work here Jacks.

    To suggest Ian was ever under investigation for child porn is highly misleading. The FBI never stated that he was under investigation for child porn. What they did was try to imply that he was under investigation for child porn because they were trying to undermine his activism and radio show. The fact it’s been 3+ years since they suggested *SOMEBODY* who is unknown supposedly downloaded child porn (or really accessed a server that may have also had child porn which isn’t the same as accessing a child porn site) that supposedly happened it’s fair to say there is no evidence what-so-ever that anybody even accessed child porn let alone Ian. There were hundreds of people who had access to that interent connection. Ian is smart enough that it is unlikely he would have ended up in a situation where his house was being raided for accessing that sort of thing had he actually done the crime anyway. It’s all the more reason it’s apparent that Ian nor anybody else actually did what some FBI agent testified to in the warrant.

    “All these people are part of the libertarian movement not to mention three of them live in the Keene area and associate themselves with free Keene”

    Jacks: Did you know that you associate with a child rapist?

    That is exactly the sort of statement you’d make. It might have some truth in it because you come to the Free Keene site and read articles written by Ian and comment down here and sometimes Ian responds. But lets be honest. It’s HIGHLY misleading. But yet you do this non-stop in this comment section. And that is exactly what you are doing here.

  26. Again, your pathetic rants and raves fall on deaf ears. I You have proven yourself to be a hypocrite and stupid. I can’t lower myself down to your level of stupidity.

  27. Say Jacks, I have a capital idea! Instead of lowering yourself to kk’s level of stupidity, maybe you could persuade him to see things your way by giving him access to some of those “real medical journals” you’ve been telling us all about? You know, the ones that the rest of us ordinary folks can’t afford or otherwise could ever hope to come by? I’ll bet that stuff would convince the rest of us that you’re right! So what do you say, Jacks? Care to put your money where your mouth is?

  28. Hey jacks it’s Xmas the season of giving so stop being an utter cunt & fuck off

  29. ZX81 – I was just going to say that to you. Yawn……………zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  30. My goodness Jacks, you’re better than this, aren’t you? Instead sinking down to ZX81’s level, why don’t you one-up him instead by posting one of those “real medical journals” you mentioned earlier? Come on Jacks, show us what you’re really made of!

  31. Jacks lacks an ability to reason and think logically which is why he is responding the way he is. Its 3 year old mentality.

  32. Jacks has no need to learn how to reason or think logically, Kk! After all, he has access to all of those “real medical journals” that are completely out of our reach! We can’t be expected to stand up against that sort of scholarship, now can we?

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