Ron Paul Supports Occupy Wall Street

Ron Paul spoke tonight at Keene State College, and as is being reported nationally, was “mic checked” by Occupy Keene at the end of his speech. The occupiers said:

“We are the 99%! We will be heard! There are criminals on Wall Street who walk free, there are protesters in jail…There’s something wrong with this system. We are the 99%! We will be heard!”

He handled it graciously by smiling throughout and then by asking them if they feel better. He was also sure to point out his agreement with the Occupy Wall St. movement, saying,

“I’m very much involved with the 99. I’ve been condemning the 1%…the people on Wall street got the bailouts and you guys got stuck with the bill and I think that’s where the problem is.”

Here’s video of the Mic Check and Ron’s response, courtesy of Nick Ryder:

69 Comments

  1. "I think it’s a good idea in some cases to ignore the movement of little green pieces of paper, and consider the production of useful things that improve people’s quality of life — which is really the definition of wealth (at least from a material standpoint)"

    And I agree 100%. However, the kind of society in which you're promoting (a heavily, heavily market-driven "an"-cap one) would create conditions where a lot of people would be desiring the ability to get ahead in the market at any cost. How is an "an"-cap system supposed to change people's consciousnesses to the point where they'd prefer social relations over material objects, especially when money defines one's identity so much in market-driven societies? Ever read Erich Fromm's "To Have or to Be"? Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

    Mutualists and anarcho-communists want to create a society where mutuality and social relations outweigh profit motives. That's why the institutions we build emphasize cooperation. However, I see none of this from the libertarian-right; if anything, they want to further the mindset of the society we have.

    "No, they’d get cheaper and better, because of free choice and competition. Entrenched monopolies make things more expensive, and of poorer quality."

    After a while it would become extremely expensive for a mom and pop store in a very competitive system to have to pay out-of-pocket for transport all the time. Same thing with schools (even my mom who runs a home-based business out of our basement will only hire people who have had at least some kind of college education). Besides, the situation you're presenting here relies on the notion that the market would have no lop-sided competition or other factors which would drive prices up. What if I'm the only person in my community who knows how to fix the roads and as such I can charge extremely high prices?

    "Show them the enormous harm that the actions of the state have on them and other average people, both here and around the world, as well as the benefits of free choice, and the moral component as well: acting through the proxy of the state does not eliminate our obligation to behave decently to each other."

    That won't happen so as long as people have a profit motive to keep the state. Like I said, in a society where profit remains the bottom line, people will be doing all sorts of aggressive things to get ahead and maximize their $$$.

    "I don’t know if OWS has it right regarding the 1% figure, but those who make loads of $$$ off of the state are certainly a small minority."

    The vast majority of businesses, large and small, benefit from having a state in certain ways. Anyone who owns a patent monopoly will want to keep the state.

  2. "Ron Paul does understand that corporations want big government. He understands and explains crony capitalism better than anyone I’ve seen. You have some research to do."

    Capitalism is hardly the "free market" (which has never really existed anyway). Capitalism is a system of monopoly.

    http://praxeology.net/BT-SSA.htm

  3. Julia; Sorry its taken me so long to reply. The true beneficiaries are the business people of the future (the Entrepreneurs), not the ones already engaged in some form of business or corporate activity. There are a lot more people trying to get a small business off the ground, than there are people who have successfully started and grown one. This majority, struggling to make ends meet and make a living, would be the ones that benefit the most. The mix up comes from the state of the market that encourages a college grad to become a cog in a corporate gear system, and not get out on their own and start something new. If you are starting your own business, an anCap system would be the most favorable to grow it. And most business out there are small and just starting. In short, anCap is not very friendly to business, so much as its very very friendly to entrepreneurs.

  4. Funny how so many people here support Occupy when its supposed to be about destroying capitalism, can anybody tell me why you support it? I support it because i want to destroy capitalism and the ruling class, but if you still believe money and trade should be part of society, why are you protesting? Just to look like youre against something?

  5. Julia:

    "Capitalism is hardly the “free market” (which has never really existed anyway). Capitalism is a system of monopoly."

    I'd agree that a truly free market has never really existed, but we must clarify a "monopoly".

    As I understand it, the modern definition of a monopoly is "a very successful business, which uses either ethical or unethical practices, that it puts competition out of business, maintaining a hold on a high percentage of the market."

    The original meaning of the word (if you asked someone 100 years ago) is "a monopoly is large business with close government ties that uses state violence to eliminate competition gaining a near 100% market hold through immoral and unethical avenues or violence."

    The difference is in what methods business people use to grow their business. If they practice ethical methods, and people voluntarily give their money to purchase products, one can't hardly argue against this method, and can't classify the business as a monopoly, because competitors are free to compete at any time, if they feel they have a model that can out perform the giant even with a 100% market share.. If they, however, use state violence to force their competitors out of business, and it becomes impossible, or illegal to compete… This is indeed a monopoly. I would say capitalism is not synonymous with monopoly, as it is simply a definition of property rights ownership. I would however say that crony-capitalism is monopolistic in nature, perverted through the state and organized violence.

  6. @ Julia,

    "Plus, combine that with the fact that all goodies (like roads, schooling, health care) would be private and paid for out-of-pocket and would thus become way to expensive to have to keep paying for again and again."

    How in the world did you come to that conclusion?

    @Smash,

    I agree the Statement of purposes is very marxist. But there are a bunch of people at the protests that are smart enough to see that government is the problem and more government, the same government that maces them in the face, can not be the solution. They are very open to new ideas about reducing the power of the state and they are also capitalists. Peter Schiff had a good video on Reason.tv with a bunch of occupiers supporting capitalism. It was refreshing to see after all the other media coverage.

  7. So the way to Julia's utopian future involves killing the rich. Creating communes and folks farming their own food.

    The ideas are so successful she spends her time trolling people who believe in more successful models.

    When cornered, that she advocates violence, her counter argument is "Bullshit", then she references some guy that didn't take his ideas all the way. Because he would be dead or in prison.

    Children of wealthy people that try to assuage their guilty feelings for being born into relative affluence… by dreaming of violent revolution to free the downtrodden. hahahaha Lilly white kids yearning to sing the black man's blues.

    My father was born in a log cabin without electricity… he went on to own a successful contracting business and living next door to lawyers and such. The class struggle that you worship is a vestige of a belief fostered in places like eastern europe where people were indeed trapped in their class.

    I would suggest that others recognize the classic troll tactics and her disingenuous behavior.

  8. Dear Reporter, Journalist, Editor and Reader, and you "others" also,

    ,

    I feel reporting on this event coming up would be good journalism.

    Thanks ,

    Kenn

    Dear Mr. President,

    There is a very large demonstration being planned for January 20th, 2012 at the Federal Courthouse at 700 Stewart street in Seattle, – and at every Federal Courthouse in the United States.. There are many groups organizing and "gearing up" for this demonstration. I will be promoting and advertising it. This "occupy movement" has only just begun. I suggest you figure out your plan of action and response; The rules of engagement; – Need a way better understanding of what is going on; – than during WTO in Seattle. Treat the people like they are the enemy, and they will become it

    I feel the occupy movement does have a basic underlying message; Stop letting money decide political elections; And regulate corporate lobbying (and all lobbying) making it a public forum. Right now lobbying is mostly two old white guys sitting across from each other in an office. "They" have probably worked with each other or went to the same school; And "they" have promised you a job when you get out of politics, — tripling your present salary!. The "lobbyist" used to be a "politician", it worked for him!. Who owns who? – That's a "Person-hood".

    "I" was at the WTO protests in Seattle Washington, (with thousands of "other" really awesome "people", and a few "freaks") when a bunch of "anarchists" started busting windows with crowbars. We surrounded them, and they got in a circle with their crowbars. I tried to get the "Seattle police" to come arrest "these anarchists”, that were only fifty feet away and threatening violence and breaking windows… The "Seattle police" would not budge from their “police line”, making all of "us" the "enemy"…. (There were thousands of "union" and "other" people sitting and standing in the street, – it was a relatively peaceful protest until the windows started breaking…). " I" am not the "enemy".

    January 20, 2012 – Move to Amend Occupies the Courts!

    Move To Amend is planning bold action to mark this date — Occupy the Courts — a one day occupation on Friday January 20, 2012, of the Federal Courts, including the Supreme Court of the United States and as many of the 89 U.S. District Court Buildings as we can. (I am inspired by Doctor Martin Luther King who said; "a true revolution of values", … "there comes a time when silence is betrayal"., "people are not gonna be silenced".). Move to Amend will lead the charge on the judiciary which created — and continues to expand — corporate personhood rights.

    Please Sign the petition to amend the Constitution for revoking corporate personhood at:

    movetoamend.org

    It's Time to GET MONEY OUT of politics

    Bailouts. War. Unemployment. Our government is bought, and we’re angry. Now, we’re turning our anger into positive action. By signing this petition, you are joining our campaign to get money out of politics. Our politicians won’t do this. But we will. We will become an unrelenting, massive organized wave advocating a Constitutional amendment to get money out of politics.

    Please sign the petition!

    http://www.getmoneyout.com/

    http://open.salon.com/blog/kennspace/2011/10/28/c

  9. Julia,

    The austro-libertarian camp which Ron Paul subscribes to is perfectly cognizant of the fact that big business is often more actively anti-free market than anyone.

    Big business writes the regulations. They have everything to gain from a strong centralized government; since it is their own inherent internal bureaucracy which has made them uncompetitive on fair and even grounds.

    Here is a book on exactly that topic, published by an organization that Lew Rockwell is the president of.

    https://mises.org/resources/3585/In-Restraint-of-

  10. I still don’t understand why Free Staters would want to align themselves with a group which is fighting to break down the very neo-capitalist/free market/tax free utopia the FSM supports….

    Can anyone explain?

  11. …?:

    You find allies where you can. First you solve the problem, then you worry about the details. Maybe there would be time to educate them and let them see that in true liberty people can associate however they wish. If a community wants to get together and become "Communist", they are absolutely free to do so, as long as they don't force it on others. Unfortunately in state socialism, communism or "abolished capitalism" as they seem to profess, people like us are not given the same courtesy. We would most likely be jailed of executed for our beliefs. Maybe we can get them to see this virtue of true liberty?

  12. "You find allies where you can. First you solve the problem, then you worry about the details."

    Okayyyy….but the FSP and OWS are not working towards the same solution at all. You can say that Free Staters should go and 'educate' the Occupiers on ideas of liberty, but saying that they should join their movement is basically just saying they should jump in with any cause that makes a big enough stir, regardless of what it's working to accomplish.

    I guess I just don't understand why Free Staters would choose to fight 'the state' with such vigor, but then choose to join a movement which is seeking to increase what they would define as 'statism.'

  13. Julia, I suggest you read some of Dr. Paul's books. Do you REALLY understand the link between big business and big government? The reason federal government is so corrupt is that it is allowed to give special favors to businesses which contribute to campaigns. Under our Crony-Capitalist system (Crony Capitalism is another term for Fascism — look up Mussolini's government model, later adopted by Hitler), government picks winners and losers in the marketplace through regulation and letting lobbyists and "former" corporate executives (does Goldman Sachs ring a bell?) write the laws, which benefit their companies and squeeze out competition. We see this in corporate and industry subsidies, guaranteed loans to certain industries which could not be profitable on their own, and government backstopping the banks (through direct bailouts and the FDIC). A return to Constitutionalism (and the Doctrine of Nullification) would cut off the infinite flow of money to federal government, and, thus, its ability to favor businesses which could not survive without government intervention. Dr. Paul understands that this must start with exposing, then eliminating the Federal Reserve. Nobody else seems to understand this, so don't condemn free enterprise, the antithesis of Crony Capitalism, which isn't Capitalism at all. Condemn the Unconstitutional expansion of Federal Government in the name of the Commerce Clause, which quashes free competition.

  14. I love this discussion, Free Keene! I love the cards you put under the table covers in Lindy's Diner and what you all stand for. Keep up the good work, fellow patriots! Live Free or Die!

  15. Michael,

    Can you answer my question?

  16. Michael, you said it correct. People don't understand that we are not seeing real capitalism. We are seeing crony capitalism. If you don't understand the banksters have infultraited the government, than you can't understand that ending the fed res. and kicking the bankers out of our government is the answer. And you certainly can't see that most reps and dems including Obama are just puppets of the banks. If you don't believe that just look who he put in the white house. all bankers. But lets just say that capitalism is the real problem not the bought out politicians. If you think your gonna change the system with anybody in office but a constitutionalists. Your very mistaken. When the system is threatened the dogs will come out. thats what we are seeing right now. Look at the policy being passed at this very moment. I don't know about you, but if the system is threatened. I want someone who believes in the bill of rights and the constitution in the white house. There is only Ron Paul.

  17. If we gave him enough money, could we make Ron Paul become RICH Paul…???…

    Bwa Ha Ha ha ha ho hum….

    It was a damn good conversation…

    And Gerald said it best…

    If, like me, you still believe that the U.S.Constitution means *ANYTHING*,

    there is ONLY

    *AUDIT*THE*FED*, &

    *RON*PAUL*2012…

    With the NH Primary one month away, I predict 4 more for Obama…

    Can you imagine a "gingrich/bachmann" ticket?

    gag me with a spoon!

    :)

    ~TkOk.

  18. Julia:

    "Sorry, but the whole self-employed artisan thing is long dead. You sound like you’re insisting on going back to a 1776-style economic model which just can’t work with our 2011 economy. How would a self-employed person be able to produce a cell phone all by him/herself? Or a car? Or a laptop?"

    My God you're ignorant and fact challenged. Ever hear of a guy named Steve Jobs? He invented the Apple computer in his garage in the late 1970s.

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