VIDEO: What Happens When Govt Thugs Threaten Porcfest

Near high noon today, the first full day of the Free State Project‘s annual Porcupine Freedom Festival, two agents (Phillip Lawrence and Ray Persinger) from the “Department of Revenue” rolled up to Rogers Campground. The sharply-dressed thugs inquired with campground staff if there were food vendors in Agora Alley, a place renown for delicious food available from some vendors who may not have bothered asking government permission to serve their fellow hungry humans.

Upon exiting the office, I immediately began recording and confronted the men. Here’s the video of that encounter:

A crowd of activists quickly gathered, with multiple alerts going out via two-way radio, facebook, and word-of-mouth. They weren’t able to get any further than the first vendor before being told they were not welcome by multiple people in the crowd. A campground staff member ultimately told the criminals to go speak with the park owner, Crosby.

After thirty minutes of meeting with Crosby, the men immediately exited the property. Crosby refused to be interviewed about the conversation, but claimed he was not threatened by them. I suspect he’s not being forthcoming. Porcfest organizers would also not speak on camera, but the conversation I had and overheard leads me to believe that Crosby has been recruited to pass out government paperwork to food vendors. I plan to investigate further with the vendors and see what’s happening behind-the-scenes. Stay tuned here to FreeKeene.com for the latest on this developing situation. Also, Porcfest is just starting, so come out and join us through this weekend!

UPDATE: One vendor reports that Crosby did not hand him the paperwork from the state when the vendor indicated that he’s got his books in order. We’ll be discussing the incident on Free Talk Live tonight at 7pm Eastern. You can listen live at LRN.FM.

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136 Comments

  1. garyonthenet Jumping Jacks They weren’t pointing guns at anyone and they were nice. No, they didn’t need search warrants. The vendors have to pay taxes like everyone else. Porcfest is not a “private event”.

  2. FlintNH Jumping Jacks I have news for you, it’s 2015. Life is extremely different than it was back then. Prove the IRS agents were supporting unjust laws. That means post a link ect.. that clearly defines what the two gentlemen were doing was enforcing unjust laws as recognized by the government. The vendors have a responsibility to make sure they are operating within the law.

  3. powertool garyonthenet

    powertool garyonthenet
    Believe
    me, I and many others would be very happy to start from scratch on
    uninhabited land. It’s just not possible — the government claims to own
    everything.
    As soon as you build something, they will come in
    and extort the residents/owners, demand compliance with all manner of
    bureaucracy, etc.
    In fact, that has already happened many times.
    Right here in North America, many early settlers homesteaded and
    developed land, and wanted nothing to do with the federal government,
    but their property was confiscated from them by force, because a tiny
    percentage of eastern white male landowners voting for “representatives”
    magically declared themselves to own everybody and everything. Not to
    mention, the native americans, and slaves, who suffered even greater
    abuse at the hands of arrogant politicians.
    Most of the roads in
    NH were originally built on a voluntary basis, funded by investors and
    tolls. The state later took these properties, often by force, and built
    other roads using eminent domain, and taxes.
    The fact that they
    stole most right-of-ways in the state, so that it’s now practically
    impossible to travel without using land they claim to own, doesn’t make
    the state legitimate — any more than it would be legitimate for me to
    declare that I now own all the farmland in the world, and so if you eat
    anything you’d better pay me.
    If the state as an organization had
    acquired the land, and paid for the development and maintenance of it
    using legitimate, non extortive means, your point would hold water. They
    didn’t, and it doesn’t.
    I have every right to use these roads —
    they’re forcing me to pay for them. Nor does the fact that I do use
    them mean I don’t have a right to complain that they force me to pay for
    them, or that they force me to fund 1000 other things I find far more
    counterproductive, wasteful, and immoral.

  4. Jumping Jacks FlintNH Your suggestion makes no sense.  If a law is unjust then, by definition, it is not recognized as unjust by the government – if the government recognized it as unjust, then it wouldn’t be a law (removing a law is the process by which a government recognizes that law is unjust).

    None of Britain’s actions here or against India (among many other places) were recognized as unjust by the British government.  Slavery was perfectly legal here in the US – according to the government, holding humans to be property was the just thing to do.

    And no, life is not “extremely different than it was back then.”  Humans are still the same critters.  Justice and injustice are still the same.  But if you’d like modern example, there are currently several dozen jurisdictions in which governments legally engage in torture.  Ones in which governments legally mutilate people as punishment.  In some, the job title of “rapist” actually exists on the government employment rolls, because raping someone’s wife and children is a legally-recognized way to force him to answer questions or provide a confession.  Shall we continue?

    (Also, you still need to work on your reading comprehension – these individuals were not IRS agents, but employees of the NH Department of Revenue Administration, seeking to collect the 9% meals tax.)

  5. powertool The Outlaw Jose Vela Actually, since nearly anyone who uses the roads purchases fuel at retail, and since retail fuel is taxed to pay for the roads, essentially anyone other than bicyclists and the like is paying for the roads.

  6. NH Native garyonthenet The early settlers who homesteaded land they stole from the natives?

  7. Jumping Jacks garyonthenet Actually, since you have to pay admission to get in, it is very much a private event.

  8. powertool NH Native garyonthenet The notion that all land on the continent was owned by the Native Americans is nonsense.  Plenty of it was not, and was legitimately homesteaded.  Other land was actually purchased from the existing owners, because they actually wanted things like modern tools more than a bunch of nearly-useless land.

  9. powertool NH Native garyonthenet

    Some of the land was stolen from natives, some was legitimately homesteaded.

    Two (or thousands) of wrongs don’t make a right. And, I’m one of the strongest advocates for the rights of native americans that you’ll meet.

    I think significant portions of federal land should be returned to native tribes, and those tribes should be recognized as completely independent nations.

  10. FlintNH  That’s an interesting bit of white revisionism.

  11. NH Native Tell me all about the work you’ve done advocating for American Indian’s rights, Mr. Strongest Advocate.

  12. powertool FlintNH No, it’s not.  And you can’t possibly know the color of my skin, or my ethnic background.  So, the fact that you assume I’m White means you are clearly a racist.

  13. FlintNH  Next you’ll be telling me you’re a woman. Anyone can pretend to be anything on the internet. Libertarians/Free Staters can pretend to be ethnically and racially diverse, but that doesn’t make it so.

  14. powertool FlintNH I haven’t told you anything.  That’s the point.  You made an assumption, because you’re a racist.  Just like someone who hears of a mugging, and immediately assumes the perpetrator was Black.

  15. FlintNH  No, not even close. It is in keeping with the FSP attempt to pretend it isn’t a blindingly white male organization full of victims, though. The standard FSP tactic is to project their own bigotry on to others.

  16. powertool NH Native 
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/advocate “: a person who argues for or supports a cause or policy”
    I’m expressing a strong opinion, not asserting that I am an activist on the topic. 
    And, you’re deflecting from the topic at hand. It’s not american indian tribes who are invading campgrounds to shake down vendors.

  17. powertool FlintNH “Not even close” to what?  You just demonstrated that you’re a racist, so “closeness” cannot apply.

    The FSP is mostly composed of heterosexual families.  So, simple math says that it cannot possibly be overwhelmingly male.  It is, last I heard, more ethnically-diverse than NH.

    Libertarians, of course, are just about the least-racist political group out there.  Most don’t even care if a person is even homo sapiens, being perfectly willing to recognize sapient apes or dolphins, if any show up.

    There are even (gasp) Native Americans who are libertarians.  I know, given your racism, you can’t imagine that they are capable of complex thought – you probably think they aren’t good for anything other than getting drunk on reservations, by the way you talk.

  18. NH Native You were the one who said “I’m one of the strongest advocates for the rights of Native Americans you’ll ever meet.” 

    Asking about that is not deflecting. It’s curiosity. One should not make those sorts of assertions unless one is willing to be held accountable for them. 

    It certainly did piss you off to be questioned about your statement though! The skin of a libertarian is thin. (AND WHITE!!)

    lol lol lol

  19. FlintNH  Let’s see some proof of your claim that the FSP is mostly comprised of heterosexual families. 

    Let’s see some proof of your claim that the FSP is more ethnically diverse than NH. 

    Just so we’re clear  on the rules of the game you’re playing, it’s okay for you to make assumptions about me – but it’s NOT okay for me to make assumptions about you.

  20. powertool FlintNH Let’s instead, see your proof that the FSP is “a blindingly white male organization full of victims.”
    See, the individual who makes a claim is responsible for supporting it.  No one is required to disprove it.  So, let’s see your proof.

    And no, I’m not making assumptions about you.  I’m judging you by your actual behavior.  I haven’t assumed anything.  I’ve suggested some additional probabilities that are in keeping with your behavior, but I’ve acknowledged those as probabilities, not certainties.

    It’s certain that you’re a die-hard racist, though.  Because you behave as a racist.

  21. FlintNH Jumping Jacks Again with the word games? Your rantings continue to not make any sense. Your immature mind has a lot of growing up too do.

  22. Jumping Jacks FlintNH
    I’m curious Jacks. Are you a real person or is this just a character that you play?
    Aside from your dozens of poorly-reasoned statements, I’ve also noticed repeated patterns of bad grammar and misspelled words (particularly your consistent use of “ect” as opposed to “etc”) in your posts. You make these errors so regularly in fact, that it’s giving me the impression that you’re dangling them as bait. Since grammar and spell-checking features are quite common on all modern personal computers, such a glaring refusal to use them is only reinforcing my belief that your linguistic errors are deliberate.
    If you are playing a character Jacks, then what is your game? How does pretending to be so astonishingly stupid make your trolling in any way more effective? Or is this just an elaborate joke on your part? Are you actually an anarchist donning the guise of an idiot? If it’s the latter, I commend you. You’re very funny.

  23. Jumping Jacks

    So, you would have returned a runaway slave to his master if  “the law” said you had to?

    Those state thug guys were there because they get paid to ensure obedience.  They should fuck off and leave people alone.

  24. powertool The Outlaw Jose Vela

    No need to bring government schools into this discussion.   Ha ha ha

  25. powertool garyonthenet

    Thugs won’t let the livestock off the plantation.

  26. Drac Vermell Jumping Jacks FlintNH Again, your childish rants and ridiculous statements only show the low level of intelligence you have. It would not be fair for me to exploit your lack of intelligence but you never know.

    You can’t even stay on topic. Your ignorant finger pointing only shows the limit of your knowledge about the subject. You will try to put others down because you cannot get up. It must be very sad for you to be that low down the well pipe. My suggestion to you is to educate yourself so you feel better about yourself. Maybe get a job. The world needs ditch diggers.

  27. WEEDA CLAUS Jumping Jacks You said, “So, you would have returned a runaway slave to his master if  “the law” said you had to”? Are you serious? To compare the IRS to runaway slaves is totally pathetic and inappropriate. 

    You said. “Those state thug guys were there because they get paid to ensure obedience.  They should fuck off and leave people alone”.  Actually, the only thugs I saw on that video was Ian. The two gentlemen only fill out the paperwork. There are laws you cannot circumnavigate. The vendors know that.

  28. Jumping Jacks WEEDA CLAUS

    You never answered the question.  Would you have broken a bad law and helped a person escape slavery or would you have obeyed the law and returned a slave to his master?

    Also,  I didn’t compare the state thugs to runaway slaves.   The state thugs are aggressors, the runaway slave a person that is trying to get away from aggressors.  

    So, do you turn the slave back to his master and obey the law?

  29. powertool The Outlaw Jose Vela
    Embedded in your argument is the assumption that no free markets can exist anywhere because they are like fantastic creatures (e.g., unicorns, gryphons, and the like). Of course you failed to recognize that your own reply also implies that you don’t understand that free markets are actually based upon a hard science. That hard science is called ECONOMICS.
    I can only imagine how difficult the concepts in any intellectual pursuits must be for you, powertool, since learning anything new on your own would require a modicum of effort on your part. I suspect that’s why you prefer the regulated economic environments that elected politicians have provided for you. This leaves you free to do other things – like growing slowly more poor with fewer economic choices, higher taxes, and increasing inflation.

  30. Jumping Jacks Drac Vermell FlintNH
    “It would not be fair for me to exploit your lack of intelligence but you never know.”
    Are you challenging me to a duel, Jacks? How Victorian era of you! Very, very funny!

    Setting your misguided challenge aside, Jacks, I think what’s impressed me the most is that your grammar and spelling markedly improved this time around. For once I was able to read something that you posted in its entirety without laughing out loud even one time. A valiant effort! Be honest though Jacks, did you have someone else edit your reply for you?
    My accolades don’t come without some criticism, Jacks. You need to start being more inventive with your insults. Such feeble invectives won’t cut it here. For example, your gaffe advising me to “get a job” was an especially weak effort on your part. At least Boston Strong does something with it by leaning on his car horn and stomping on the throttle when he yells it.
    Still, I believe you deserve a small reward. I don’t usually post links but maybe this song will help to inspire you?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysKhbaLyIFw

  31. Drac Vermell Jumping Jacks FlintNH Again, your childish rants and ridiculous statements only show the low level of intelligence you have. It would not be fair for me to exploit your lack of intelligence but you never know.

    You can’t even stay on topic. Your ignorant finger pointing only shows the limit of your knowledge about the subject. You will try to put others down because you cannot get up. It must be very sad for you to be that low down the well pipe. My suggestion to you is to educate yourself so you feel better about yourself. Maybe get a job. The world needs ditch diggers.

  32. FlintNH Jumping Jacks garyonthenet Not to the IRS, or PD.

  33. Jumping Jacks FlintNH The only one playing word games is yourself.  You try and artificially limit injustice to only injustice that is government-recognized as such – that’s a word game you’re attempting to play, rather than using the normal definition.  Which, of course, would mean that governments could never possibly commit injustice.  Which then means that you think governments that torture, rape, and perpetrate genocide are not committing any injustice by doing so.

    So, since you think word games are immature, and you are the only one playing them, you obviously think that you, yourself, are immature.  Must be why you think horribly-evil actions are not unjust.

  34. Jumping Jacks FlintNH garyonthenet Actually, yes, to either.  That’s why warrants exist.
    And since neither the IRS nor the PD showed up, your point is doubly-nonsensical.

  35. Jumping Jacks WEEDA CLAUS You still haven’t answered his question.  Would you return a runaway slave, because that’s the law?  Or do you admit that some laws are evil?

  36. I have never commented on political views but I feel I have to as I recognized the picture of Ray Persinger from the Department of Revenue. I dealt with him about a tax issue created by a former bookkeeper and at first I was surprised that they have the power they do and thought I was going to be royally screwed. I can only say of Ray and another employee I met that they are doing there job. He is a nice guy, very knowledgeable, helpful and respectful. The other employee was the same and they actually helped me in guiding me through a very difficult process. I never met Mr. Lawrence so I can’t speak of his reputation. I thought it was rude to speak to Ray in the manner he was spoken to as he is doing his job. The women kept yelling over him speaking to someone and that was rude.

  37. FlintNH Jumping Jacks Again, your childish rants and ridiculous statements only show the low level of intelligence you have. It would not be fair for me to exploit your lack of intelligence but you never know.

    You can’t even stay on topic. Your ignorant finger pointing only shows the limit of your knowledge about the subject. You will try to put others down because you cannot get up. It must be very sad for you to be that low down the well pipe. My suggestion to you is to educate yourself so you feel better about yourself. Maybe get a job. The world needs ditch diggers.

  38. Jumping Jacks WEEDA CLAUS
    Hi Jacks. I have another critique. Are you aware that you overuse the word “inappropriate” (and its derivatives)? Why is that? And since I’ve brought up the subject, could you also tell me if you wave your index finger and click your tongue every time you use that word as well? My grandchildren and I have a wager.
    Also, I noticed that today you responded to my reply to you (the one from yesterday) with an exact copy of your previous response. Then you reposted it once more in reply to FlintNH. Why did you do this? Was it because I had complimented you yesterday on its grammar and spelling? Were you so excited that you posted it twice more to guarantee everyone would see? Or was this simply an accident on your part? Or perhaps your editor was unavailable to check your work?
    My apologies, Jacks. I’m asking far too many questions. Don’t worry, I don’t expect you to answer any of them. Oh, and just to let you know, even though you’ve clearly expressed a reluctance in exploiting the inferior intellects of your readers (mine in particular) could you please just do it once? I’m anxiously waiting to see how shrewd your insights can really be when you’re not restraining yourself. I just hope you don’t take too long. I’m not a young man.

  39. Jumping Jacks WEEDA CLAUS
    WEEDA CLAUS said: “So, you would have returned a runaway slave to his master if  “the law” said you had to?”

    I’m with WEEDA CLAUS and FlintNH on this one Jacks. The question they’ve asked isn’t complicated. And while you could answer it with a simple “Yes” or “No”, you could just as easily follow your answer with a detailed explanation to support it. So why won’t you answer it, Jacks? Is it because your answer might reveal shortcomings in your own character? Or is this just another example of you not understanding what you’ve read?

  40. FlintNH Jumping Jacks garyonthenet No, the PD has been out there before. They didn’t need permission to be on the grounds. Also, they shut down a beer tent a while back because they were selling alcohol to minors. I never saw anything that says they had to ask permission to investigate a crime. You are wrong.

  41. WEEDA CLAUS Jumping Jacks It’s 2015 not the early 1800s. Your question is very inappropriate. If you lived back then you could not say if you would return a slave or not. America had a different view of slaves. Our forefathers owned slaves. What do you think they would say today if asked the same question. You cannot compare the differences or answer the question.

  42. FlintNH Jumping Jacks WEEDA CLAUS First off, I don’t have all day to sit on the net like you do. So if I didn’t answer a question immediately, it’s because i have a job.

    I’ll give you the same answer I posted:  It’s 2015 not the early 1800s. Your question is very inappropriate. If you lived back then you could not say if you would return a slave or not. America had a different view of slaves. Our forefathers owned slaves. What do you think they would say today if asked the same question. You cannot compare the differences or answer the

  43. Drac Vermell Jumping Jacks WEEDA CLAUS You are an idiot.

  44. Drac Vermell Jumping Jacks WEEDA CLAUS It’s 2015 not the early 1800s. Your question is very inappropriate. If you lived back then you could not say if you would return a slave or not. America had a different view of slaves. Our forefathers owned slaves. What do you think they would say today if asked the same question. You cannot compare the differences or answer the question.

  45. hey ive just heard of this movement and im intrigued. im currently watching ‘victimless crime spree’ on youtube. Im personally an ancap, and i just wanted to see what the general feeling is in regards to division of labor in the voluntary society as you all define it.

  46. Please give Free Talk Live a call at 855-450-FREE any night from 7-10p and we can talk about it on the air. Thanks for watching @Derrick J’s Victimless Crime Spree

  47. Jumping Jacks FlintNH WEEDA CLAUS
    You clearly have nothing more to contribute Jacks. If you needed more time to think about your answer, then you should have mad use of it. You could even have posted your reply tomorrow. I doubt anyone would have cared.

    Quite frankly Jacks, this is one of your worst efforts yet. How is it that you think that applying moral relativism to this situation in any way helps you to evade WEEDA CLAUS’s question? Using moral relativism as an excuse, do you not realize that you’re making the argument that violators of the fugitive slave laws deserved their fates because that was the law at the time? That in fact they had no right to violate those laws at all because the democratic process led to their enactment in the first place? Do you hate to concede a point so badly that you’re willing to look even more like a goose-stepping tool than you do already? Or is it just that you’re such a profound moron that you don’t even understand the ramifications of your own point?

    I’ll restate WEEDA CLAUS’s question below and give you another chance to answer it. Please read it carefully this time.

    Understanding that slavery is morally wrong, would you obey a law that required you to return an escaped slave to his master, or would you do the righteous thing and help that slave regardless of the legal consequences you might face?

    There are only two answers to this question Jacks. One is moral, the other is not. If you can’t see that, then there really is no hope for you.

  48. Jumping Jacks WEEDA CLAUS

    Playing dodge the question means I struck a nerve.  You would have returned the slave to misery, I would have helped him escape.    Arguing about “times are different now” doesn’t cut it.

    What is and always will be “inappropriate” is using force to run others lives for them.   

    Forefathers owned slaves?  Yes, most  politicians believe in at least some form of slavery don’t they?  Nothing has changed over the years in that respect.   I DID answer the question, your actions and beliefs in the present serve as evidence what you would have done, just like mine serve as evidence of what I would do.

  49. powertool FlintNH cliffwells 

    I think I know why… It’s because a pinhead like you might be mistaken for a place to stick more pins right ?

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