The City of Keene Should be A Town Instead

The people calling themselves “the City of Keene” are constantly increasing the extraction of funds and obedience of the people in Keene and the city councilors continue to vote for what supermajorities in Keene do not want. If Keene held town meetings, where selectmen can’t move forward without a popular vote (of those attending the meeting), I’d wager there’s no way a BearCat assault vehicle could have gotten through a town meeting. Nor the new parking meters that are now on Main St.

Sure, ideally there should be no coercive government whatsoever, but in the absence of that idea, it sure would be better for all of us regular folk if Keene were back to a town structure. Anyone know how that is done?

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10 Comments

  1. By moving to a town. Good luck to you….

  2. "If Keene held town meetings, where selectmen can’t move forward without a popular vote (of those attending the meeting)…"

    Glad to know you support democracy. :p

  3. Julia

    You shouldn’t use words you are not familiar with or are you? Democracy is a word meaning socialist/communism, equals mob rule, not rule of law. Democracy=collectivism, not individual freedom. I prefer to be guided and protect by a Constitution(s) When I pledge allegiance to the Flag, ‘The Republic for which it stands‘, not Democracy.

  4. Harry, every single political and economic system contains *some* form of mob rule/51% over 49% in it. When you go out shopping and buy a commodity from a certain company, you are *voting* for that company by buying from them and helping them stay in business. You're also *voting* for that company's activities. So for example, when I go to the Mall of NH and I buy shit from Forever 21, I'm *voting* for not just their company but also their use of child labor, their environmental record, their potential to put mom and pop's clothing store out-of-business, etc . AND my "vote" continues a culture which says that all those things I mentioned are okay. If enough people in a free market *vote* for a company that's dumping toxins into the river, that company will stay in business and their practices will remain in place. The whole idea that "the free market will solve X problem" is based on this very idea that the free market works as a de facto direct democracy.

    Now here comes the other problems: when you go out and buy from a certain company, are you really thinking, gee, do I want this company and all the things it does to stay put in our society? Usually not; you're just thinking about all the shit you want to purchase. Not only that, but many times a company's practices are obscured from the general public with or without the state (there's a reason businesses spend so much money on PR and I bet the same would be true – or even MORE so – in a truly free market). And even if there was total transparency you'd still have people who just don't really care how a company behaves and would continue buying their stuff anyway. There's also the fact that in this free market democracy, the rich have way more "votes" than the poor and can pretty much dictate certain policies just by spending their money at certain firms. This happens all the time today.

  5. All systems have some form of "collectivism" in them as well. Capitalism, for example, is extremely collectivist: capitalist businesspeople join together to fix prices, lobby the state for more corporate welfare, find new ways to screw over workers, etc. It's about as collectivist as you can get!

  6. I vote with Bill. Move to a town. Dicksville Notch would be good. Tiny town, EVERYONE votes, and the name suits you. Oh wait… It's Dixville. Still works.

  7. Julia, you just described what socialist businesses do, not what capitalist businesses do.

    Capitalism is neither collectivist or anti-collectivist. All capitalism says is that you are free to choose, and that's /it/. You can live in a commune, or never share so much as a toothpick with someone without demanding payment. All you have to do, is let others make their own choices for their own lives, as well. Now, I know how much Statists like you hate freedom, but you really should give it a try, since it would mean that you could build your little "workers' paradise" or whatever from those who consent to be part of it, and then you could show us how well it works, right? Embrace freedom for others, and others will work to protect your freedom, as well. Since you know how right you are, you should not fear the existence of other systems, because those following those systems will see how wonderful yours is and decide to follow in your footsteps.

    The only reason to oppose the free market, is if you know, deep down, that your whole system is based upon false premises, and would never actually work in the real world, so your only choice is to destroy everything else by force, so that yours will be the "best" by virtue of being the /only/ system.

  8. "Julia, you just described what socialist businesses do, not what capitalist businesses do."

    No, I've described perfectly well what businesspeople do with each other every day.

    "All capitalism says is that you are free to choose, and that’s /it/."

    That's what it looks like when you view the system *analytically*. When you view the whole picture you start to realize that the decisions people make in everyday life start to account for something bigger. Like I said, when you go out and buy a certain commodity you're *voting* for the company which sold you the commodity and you're contributing to a culture which says buying that stuff from that company is okay. Basic line: our actions, free market or not, have CONSEQUENCES which affect OTHERS. Duh!

    "Now, I know how much Statists like you hate freedom, but you really should give it a try since it would mean that you could build your little “workers’ paradise” or whatever from those who consent to be part of it, and then you could show us how well it works, right?"

    Sorry but I'm an anarchist not a marxist and I do everything I can to embrace freedom, which for me includes freedom from all forms of dominance including exploitation at the workplace. Maybe you should read more.

    "Embrace freedom for others, and others will work to protect your freedom,…"

    That's exactly what anarchists have said, and your statement proves my point about human actions having bigger consequences in society.

  9. "No, I’ve described perfectly well what businesspeople do with each other every day."

    It doesn't make much sense to preface something with, "no," and then proceed to agree with the statement you are opposing. The socialist businesses in the US do those things every day. No doubt about it. Did you have a point?

    "Basic line: our actions, free market or not, have CONSEQUENCES which affect OTHERS. Duh!"

    That's a basic truism. Nearly no action is without consequence. Did you have a point?

    "Sorry but I’m an anarchist not a marxist and I do everything I can to embrace freedom, which for me includes freedom from all forms of dominance including exploitation at the workplace. Maybe you should read more."

    Seems to me that you've made it clear that you support government intervention in the market in numerous posts. Which, by definition, sort of makes you the /opposite/ of an anarchist.

    You've also made it clear that you oppose capitalism, even if it is so entirely-voluntary that there can be no doubt that all parties consent to the way things are being done. You can't "exploit" someone who agreed, freely, to the terms of the contract. The very concept of that is self-contradictory.

  10. Ian; Change to town meeting forum will require a town vote and a petition with a number of voters. Call Coalition of New Hampshire Taxpayers or the Secretary of State. My opinion the best means of accountability is an ‘elected finance committee’, note elected. Elected finance committee can control the spending of the school and municipal expenses. Usually meet once a month, nobody gets paid until the committee approves the expenditures monthly, employees and vendors.

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