Sentinel Publishes Feature Story on School Outreach

Monadnock Regional Middle and High School

Monadnock Regional Middle and High School

The Keene Sentinel published a well-researched article by Meghan Foley yesterday outlining the recent interactions between bureaucrats and liberty activists including me, Derrick J, Renee Kate, and JP Freeman at Monadnock Regional High School.  We were inspired to renew the school outreach project by Manchester activists who imported the concept there over the winter, plus MRHS student-at-the-time Fatima Smart who heroically refused to stand for the pledge of allegiance. Here is a copy of the Philosophy of Liberty flier we were handing out to the middle and high school students.

Kudos to Foley for citing my blog, where I point out that Monadnock school administrators lied to parents when claiming activists recording students who are outdoors somehow violated their privacy.  Derrick is also interviewed in the piece:

 

They came, they handed out pamphlets about “The Philosophy of Liberty,” and they left.

 

Ten days later, they came again, handed out the same brochures, and this time were told to leave school grounds by Swanzey police officers on behalf of Monadnock Regional Middle/High School administrators.

They left, and haven’t returned since. But that doesn’t mean these individuals associated with the libertarian-leaning, anti-government Free Keene movement, and their friends, won’t return to spread their message.

 

Derrick J. Horton, who was the main organizer of the two visits last month, said Monday he plans to continue the outreach at Monadnock Regional Middle/High School.

 

School officials don’t want him and others to continue due mostly to student privacy and safety concerns.

 

“It is our belief that this group is trespassing on school grounds,” Interim Superintendent Keith M. Pfeifer said in an email last week. “They are also videotaping school students without written permission from their parents, also a violation of common law.”

 

In a follow-up email, he said the school district “respects the rights of citizens to express their viewpoints in any manner that doesn’t disrupt the school day or interfere with students’ ability to come and go from school and receive an education.”

 

But as long as Horton and those with him stay on public land along the roadside and don’t enter school property again, there’s little school officials can do to stop them, Pfeifer said.

 

“These are citizens exercising their free speech rights and we welcome the opportunity to use this as a learning exercise for our students,” he said.

 

Pfeifer said having police issue trespass orders to Horton and others handing out flyers and videotaping at the Monadnock school is an option school officials could pursue.

 

They have the precedent. Swanzey police issued Horton, who goes by Derrick J. Freeman, and a few others affiliated with Free Keene trespass orders at the request of Monadnock officials in 2012 for activities similar to what they were doing last month.

 

Swanzey Police Chief Thomas R. DeAngelis said Tuesday the orders were just for the middle/high school grounds, and expired after a year. School officials didn’t renew the orders, he said.

 

The same year as Monadnock, Keene School District officials asked police to issue trespass orders against Horton and Ian B. Freeman, who is also affiliated with Free Keene.

 

Those trespass orders were issued after Keene Middle School’s then-principal found the men, and a third person, handing out flyers on the school’s property on Maple Avenue, Keene police Lt. Todd B. Lawrence said Tuesday. At the principal’s request, Sgt. Jason R. Short told the group to leave the property, and they did, Lawrence said. The trespass orders were valid between the hours of 6:30 a.m. and 6 p.m., and applied to all School Administrative Unit 29 properties, he said.

 

Freeman said Wednesday the Keene trespass orders didn’t have expiration dates like the ones for Monadnock.

 

Horton said Monday he hasn’t decided if he will hand out flyers at other area schools, but he is “eager to reach new minds.”

 

After his first visit to Monadnock on May 18, Horton posted a video on the Free Keene blog. While the recording focused mostly on Horton, some students were shown.

 

In the roughly six-minute video clip from May 18, Horton walks on to the grounds of the middle/high school during dismissal, and starts handing out pamphlets to students who are rushing to cars in the parking lot or getting on school buses.

 

“My goal is to hand out these flyers, and communicate the ideas of freedom and peace and liberty,” he said in the recording. “Most people tend to be into that. We’ll see.”

 

The pamphlets outline what is required to achieve a free society.

 

They also contain a plug for people to join the Shire Society’s peaceful evolution.

 

Horton starts by asking students if they want some information about freedom. Once he stops at the school’s entrance, he starts asking students if they’re interested in some philosophy. Several students take the brochures, while others decline, and some ask questions.

 

He leaves the school’s entrance about three minutes later, and walks toward the parking lot saying he handed out a “good chunk of flyers,” and that “people seemed to be pretty happy and receptive.”

 

Horton’s second visit to Monadnock on May 28 wasn’t as welcoming as his first visit.

 

A video posted on Keene Cop Block by someone under the user name Centurion, who also goes by Matt Phillips, shows two Swanzey police officers, Chief DeAngelis and Lt. Mark A. Chamberlain asking Horton and others to leave the property, which they did after some discussion. Also, someone can be heard yelling,”Go back to Keene. Go back to Keene. You are not welcome here.”

 

In a May 22 letter to parents and guardians, Principal Linda Kalloger — referencing the first incident — said their children were “inadvertently caught on video this week, and that video is now posted on-line.”

 

The two people recording the video were on school grounds without permission, Kalloger wrote, and what took place was a violation of students’ privacy.

 

“The school has informed the local law enforcement agency of their actions, and a plan has been developed to remove them should they return to school grounds,” she wrote.

 

In a May 24 post on the Free Keene blog, Ian Freeman writes that it wasn’t Horton’s intention to record students, and even if it was, it wouldn’t have been a violation of their privacy because they were all outside on what is “ostensibly public property.”

 

In addition, parents signing a section of the school district’s student registration form are agreeing to their students being “recorded or photographed for public use by newspaper, radio, TV and web,” Ian Freeman wrote.

 

Monadnock officials have a different perspective on the matter.

 

Pfeifer said the Monadnock school district has definitive rules about photographing and recording students without permission from parents and school principals.

 

Mark V. Joyce, executive director of the New Hampshire School Administrators Association, said Monday that the overall responsibility of school districts by law is to ensure the safety of students and staff. While public schools are on publicly-owned property, they’re not publicly accessible for all purposes, he said.

 

“Case law about whether schools are open forums or not has been well settled in Supreme Court law,” he said. “Schools have the ability to limit public forums as long as they don’t discriminate against one body.”

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52 Comments

  1. Get a list of all the groups that have been allowed to propagandize on school grounds (military recruiters, for one example).

    Find out what their policy is for groups seeking “permission” to do so (eg, is there some form they fill out to announce their intentions).  Follow it to the letter.

    Then, they either have to concede defeat and allow you to do what other groups are doing, or they will be engaged in the sort of discrimination which Mr. Joyce was quoted as calling illegal according to “well settled” Supreme Court law.  Catch them with their own system…

  2. There is no reason for freekeeners to be on school property while school is in session. Adult strangers with cameras are just not appropriate. Now, the PD will tell you to leave. If you don’t you will go to jail. I believe you will never get permission to hand out freekeene propaganda. The parents were very angry about freekeeners doing this stuff.

  3. I read the pamphlet. Items #1-3, & 5 are very solid principles and I mostly agree with the ideas. Items #4 and #6 are where I toss it straight into the trash while laughing. To address item #4 first, bullet two prohibits a person from standing up and using force to protect another person’s well being who is unable to do so themselves from others who have ill and malice intention. For example, if a person attempts to steal my Grandmothers purse while she is standing next to me or if I see an adult violently physically attacking a toddler in public according to #4 I am not allowed to act. In both situations the dirt bag hurting others who are weaker will be on the five o’clock bus to Knuckle City, population = his face. As for item #6, in the United States of America there was a period where “the state” played a much smaller role in enforcement of basic laws. The specific time period I am referencing was the”Wild West”. Looking back it did not go well at all. Lots of shootings, murder, raping, robberies, hangings, beatings, slavery, poverty, death resulting from minor injury, and on, and on, and on. Any outlaw with a crew of bandits on any given day could roam to your homestead, rape your wife and daughters, kill your sons, hang you high with a rope from the barn you built with your bare hands, burn your home to ashes, steal all your valuables, take your livestock, and go on their merry pillaging way. If the local Sheriff did not stop them your only hope was the Federal Government would offer a bounty and hopefully a US Marshall or someone else would spot their ugly mug, shoot them dead, and collect some gold. What I find most amusing is that Free Keene members are protected every single day by the “state” and it’s “laws” that they so badly would like to make disappear. The truth is with the amount of people in the Leverett Street neighborhood that dislike the folks who live at the KAC, those laws are the only thing that has prevented a Caterpiller D8 from turning that house into a pile of demolition debri. Here is a scenario to explore. If all of a sudden tomorrow, all law and government in Keene, NH was to cease to exist and life reverted to the Old Western style, would the people who live around your immediate vicinity in Keene, NH tolerate your presence or refrain from taking any action they please now that law and consequences have vanished? I’d place my bet with Vegas against a peaceful co-existence and presence of Free Keene going forward.

  4. FlintNH It would never happen. The freekeeners are an activist group without a sponsored agenda. In other words, their group is a stand alone with their own ideas. Anyone else that has been on campus ie.. “military recruiters”  are a sponsored group with a proven record of providing college money, job experience and is a students choice should he/she want to serve in the military. The military recruiters are usually asked by the school to come in on career day. There will never be a supreme court ruling that allows freekeeners on school campus’s.

  5. Jumping Jacks FlintNH According to the quote in the article, the Supreme Court has already ruled that activist groups may not be banned in a discriminatory manner.

    The Supreme Court has actually ruled quite heavily in favor of freedom of speech.  Even many threats of violence are considered protected speech.  If the school were to attempt to discriminate against Free Keene, they would be nailed promptly, just as the City of Keene was nailed recently.

    It’s also amusing that you think calling their group a “stand alone” would help your case.  If what you say is true, then the school cannot even argue that they allow another, similar group to engage in discourse on school grounds.  If the only way that the particular message can be delivered is by that particular group, then banning that group is prima facie discrimination.

  6. FlintNH I don’t know why my last posting was taken down. I find it rather shifty to take down a person’s opinions and statements. I guess the 1st amendment only applies to freekeeners? 

    As I said before,  freekeene is an activist stand alone group with their own thoughts and theories. They don’t offer anything that has a backing or parent group too support them.

    The military has the backing and is not a stand alone group. Those who want to join the military do on their own accord. The military offers college tuition,  job experience, and a career.  Freekeene doesn’t seem to offer anything positive to the community.

  7. Jumping Jacks FlintNH

    Well if what you say is true at least the school is being consistent.  The schools are funded by involuntary ransoms on peoples homes, it stands to reason they’d be okay with having people recruiting kids to be used as cannon fodder.

    Ironic that the message of peace is rejected and the message of war is embraced eh?

  8. Jumping Jacks FlintNH I don’t see any postings having been removed.  I replied to your other one, so something tells me it’s present.
    Your silly rants are nonsensical.  According to what you’re claiming, they are engaging in even worse discrimination than that which they’ve so far been accused.  Um, congrats?

  9. Jumping Jacks FlintNH

    Being forced to pay for things you don’t want, don’t need and don’t use is alot like robbery…cuz it is.

  10. FlintNH Jumping Jacks You are a very sad little person. You have a lot of growing up to do.

  11. WEEDA CLAUS Jumping Jacks FlintNH Does that mean, Fire, EMS, PD, road construction, schools, social programs, ect… Do you have insurance? How often do you use that?

  12. WEEDA CLAUS Jumping Jacks FlintNH You said, “The schools are funded by involuntary ransoms on peoples homes, it stands to reason they’d be okay with having people recruiting kids to be used as cannon fodder”. You are not correct. Those who enter the military do so on their own accord.  Again, schools prepare young people to become a productive part of society. Many of those same people who graduate school go on to higher education. To do the careers they want to do. They also reinvest within the communities they live.

    I along with many other citizens of Keene have seen nothing productive from freekeeners. They haven’t reinvested within the community.  It seems like a their way or the highway group. Freekeeners also seem to think America owes them which is not true.

  13. Jumping Jacks WEEDA CLAUS FlintNH

    You miss the point.   First for something to BE a service the element of force must not exist, otherwise it is a disservice and extortion.   Discarding the means,  and only focusing on the end result is child like and relies upon rationalization.

    All of the things you mention above can be done better, more humanely and more efficiently in a more honorable way than the present confiscatory and violent way.  All of them.

    If you and I have no right to force people to do things….how can an aggregate of people like you and I somehow take zero right to force others and come up with a sum that “creates” a right to initiate force?  

    Forced redistribution is alot like stealing….cuz it is stealing.

  14. Jumping Jacks WEEDA CLAUS FlintNH

    Kaiser Wilhelm called and asked if you want fries with that….

  15. FlintNH Jumping Jacks You said, ” According to the quote in the article, the Supreme Court has already ruled that activist groups may not be banned in a discriminatory manner. You failed to read the part that says it’s up to the school to decide what groups can be in the school. Apparently, freekeene isn’t one of them.

    You said, “The Supreme Court has actually ruled quite heavily in favor of freedom of speech.  Even many threats of violence are considered protected speech.  If the school were to attempt to discriminate against Free Keene, they would be nailed promptly, just as the City of Keene was nailed recently”.  Yes, the Supreme Court has ruled about freedom of speech. The school not letting freekeeners  on the property or in the school is not discrimination. Freekeene’s exploits do not fall into any productive category. Why don’t you attend a PTA meeting? See where the parent’s stand with freekeene. That will give you your answer immediately. 

    You said, “It’s also amusing that you think calling their group a “stand alone” would help your case.  If what you say is true, then the school cannot even argue that they allow another, similar group to engage in discourse on school grounds”.  Name one other stand alone group like freekeene who has been allowed into public schools. None.

  16. Jumping Jacks FlintNH Says the individual who lies about his posts being deleted, has less reading comprehension than my son did back when he was six, and generally lacks the maturity that would be expected of even a kindergartener…

  17. Jumping Jacks WEEDA CLAUS FlintNH How would the others be associated with insurance?

  18. Jumping Jacks FlintNH You demonstrate, again, your complete lack of understanding of the law, and a near-total lack of reading comprehension.  The article says that the school may choose which groups it allows, except that it may not do so in a discriminatory manner.  You apparently read that as if the second portion does not exist.
    And yes, prohibiting a group from peacefully distributing information is discrimination.

  19. WEEDA CLAUS Jumping Jacks FlintNH You said, “You miss the point.   First for something to BE a service the element of force must not exist, otherwise it is a disservice and extortion.   Discarding the means,  and only focusing on the end result is child like and relies upon rationalization”. Prove your statements. Post some background about your statements. You cannot get out of paying taxes. Taxes will remain long after you and I are gone. Taxes will go up every year as well. It’s life.

    You said, “All of the things you mention above can be done better, more humanely and more efficiently in a more honorable way”. Please post how you would “make things better” in EMS, Fire, PD, social programs, ect… Remember, you can’t get rid of one or the other. How would you make it better?

    You said, “If you and I have no right to force people to do things….how can an aggregate of people like you and I somehow take zero right to force others and come up with a sum that “creates” a right to initiate force?  Taxes are taxes. They will never go away.  We elect our officials. Get out there and vote or run yourself. If you think you have the real deal, run for office.

  20. Jumping Jacks WEEDA CLAUS FlintNH

    …but we’ve always thrown virgins in volcanoes….everybody knows that’s what makes the crop grow.   Yawn.  

    Your reply does not refute mine, it sidesteps the obvious.    Why don’t YOU tell me how an action that if you or I do it is bad, but if somebody wearing a government costume does it, it then magically becomes good?   You can’t.     

    Also, do you ever get dizzy when you chase your tail and use circular arguments?  Maybe medical marijuana would help with that.  

    I did vote, I’m an elected Ambassador, you could have voted, but apparently stayed home that day.  I don’t recognize your violent government, it relies on savagery and lies.  I wish you’d stop pretending you have the moral high ground too, it’s sort of obvious you don’t.

     Why do you hate other people so much and think running their lives by threatening them is a good thing?    Do you benefit from this savagery somehow?  I bet you do.

  21. FlintNH Jumping Jacks You said, “You demonstrate, again, your complete lack of understanding of the law, and a near-total lack of reading comprehension.  The article says that the school may choose which groups it allows, except that it may not do so in a discriminatory manner”. Again, insulting me doesn’t make you credible.

    The school rejecting freekeene is not discrimination. Freekeene has been harassing, school employees, and students. As a matter of fact, Ian, Derrick, Matt Phillips, ect.. all have no trespass citations and they cannot be on school grounds between 0600-1800hrs. So the school has taken action and it isn’t discrimination. See how that works. 

    You said, “And yes, prohibiting a group from peacefully distributing information is discrimination”. They can’t distribute their propaganda on school grounds . See how that works. It’s not discrimination and never has been. Go attend a PTA meeting and find out what parents want. I assure you, they don’t want adults of a group like freekeene around their children. The school officials don’t either.

  22. WEEDA CLAUS Jumping Jacks FlintNH Your childish insults only prove you have no argument. I asked you to tell me what you would do. You haven’t. Instead of being straight up, you make assumptions that were never spoken by me. Do you see why freekeeners aren’t’ allowed on school grounds?

    You said, “I did vote, I’m an elected Ambassador, you could have voted, but apparently stayed home that day.  I don’t recognize your violent government, it relies on savagery and lies.  I wish you’d stop pretending you have the moral high ground too, it’s sort of obvious you don’t”. I don’t believe you. I did vote. I never saw your name on the ticket. The rest of your statements are childish and show your insecurities.

    You said, ” Why do you hate other people so much and think running their lives by threatening them is a good thing?    Do you benefit from this savagery somehow?  I bet you do”.   Again, those are your words and assumptions. Not too mention all wrong. You are just into the habit of trying to twist sentences around and then add your childish insults because you have no answer. You seem to have a lot too learn.

  23. FlintNH Jumping Jacks Again, your childish rants and insults destroy your credibility. You are the typical freekeener. Now you know why you people aren’t allowed on school campus or taken seriously. Congratulations.

  24. Jumping Jacks FlintNH If you are insulted by the truth, that’s your issue, not mine.
    Stating that the school is discriminating, and then claiming that the admitted fact that they are engaging in discrimination means that they are not engaging in discrimination… well, I’d say that it boggles the mind, but it’s really the sort of ridiculous nonsense we’ve all come to expect from you, isn’t it?

  25. Jumping Jacks FlintNH So, since you are the first one to engage in any insulting statement, what does that say about your credibility, since you apparently believe that insults destroy someone’s credibility?

    Not the swiftest horse in the race, are ya?

    BTW, I’m not a “Freekeener” – haven’t even visited Keene in years.

  26. Jumping Jacks WEEDA CLAUS FlintNH Taxes are cut on a regular basis.
    Liar is lying again, eh?

  27. FlintNH Jumping Jacks Again, you are wrong and just looking to instigate drama.
    You said, “Stating that the school is discriminating, and then claiming that the admitted fact that they are engaging in discrimination means that they are not engaging in discrimination”…   Post where I said the school is discriminating?  That is an out right lie. You don’t post anything to back up your statements. It’s all off the top of your head and not correct. I have pointed that out numerous times. but it’s really the sort of ridiculous nonsense we’ve all come to expect from you, isn’t it.

  28. Jumping Jacks FlintNH It seems that every time you say that someone’s wrong, it’s because they are correct.  And, similarly, whenever you say that someone has not provided support for a claim, it’s because they have.
    You’re rather useful, in that respect.
    But, just as with your inability to read the very simple “Narcan bill,” you’re utterly wrong here, as well.

    And yes, you’ve specifically stated that the school is discriminating, because you’ve stated that they have prohibited certain individuals, but not others, from engaging in a certain behavior.  That is, by definition, discrimination.

  29. FlintNH Jumping Jacks Again, you are trying to start a confrontation. Your behavior is very sad. 

    You said, “And yes, you’ve specifically stated that the school is discriminating”

    Prove it. Post the exact sentence which I said the school is discriminating. It sounds like you are grasping for straws.

    Your version of what discrimination seems to be only you saying it. Nowhere do the citizens of Keene believe freekeene is being discriminated against. That is to laugh.

    If you can’t post anything to back up your statements, you are lying and you have been doing a lot of that.

  30. Jumping Jacks FlintNH I posted something, to which you replied with a bunch of nonsense.  By definition, you were the one “trying to start a confrontation.”  Ergo, by your own standards, “your behavior is very sad.”
    You’ve stated that the school treats FreeKeene different from other groups.  Including declaring that their very presence is verboten.  That’s discrimination, by definition (ie, treating one group different from other groups).
    Now, there are certainly times when discrimination is justified.  For example, I’m normally very peaceable, but if someone tried to stab me, I would be inclined to shoot him.  I discriminate against those who try to stab me.
    You could have, if you had a functioning brain, attempted to argue that their discrimination is in some way justified.  Instead, you’ve taken the ludicrous position that they are not discriminating, while also stating that they’ve threatened to arrest these individuals if they show up, which is patently-obvious discrimination.

  31. Jumping Jacks WEEDA CLAUS FlintNH

    It should be obvious what I’d do, I’d mind my own business and leave people to make their own peaceful choices, what others do is none of my business is it?  Clearly your method is not peaceful and relies upon force.  I won’t insult your intelligence by haranguing you on something that is self evident….you do see the gun in your method don’t you?

    What you would do is enable a system that threatens another person (ultimately kills them if they disobey)  steals their property and / or their right to self determination, you can’t deny that. Or if YOU don’t do it, you are fine with a government substitute doing your dirty work for you.

    Children are taught not to take other peoples stuff and to leave people alone, did you miss that part when you were a kid?  Do you believe an action that is immoral for you or I to do somehow becomes moral if a group of thugs that have annointed themselves my “leaders” tells you it’s okay?    Care to expound on how that magic happens?

    Also, I can’t help it if you voted in the unfree elections,  in order to vote in the free elections , all you had to do was commit to being peaceful.  So, maybe you got in the wrong line.
    It’s true I was elected, I even have an official seal from the Emperor.  In case you were wondering an Emperor’s official seal is way more powerful than some angry eagle emblem or a false live free or die motto….way more.

  32. WEEDA CLAUS Jumping Jacks FlintNH You said, “I’d mind my own business and leave people to make their own peaceful choices, what others do is none of my business is it”?  My children go to that school. My friend’s children go to that school. We care about the safety of our children and do not want strange adults with significant past criminal histories around our children. The school is supposed to be a safe place. That is why freekeeners were issued a no trespass order.

    You said, ” Clearly your method is not peaceful and relies upon force”. No, those are your words. Again, adult strangers should not be interacting with our children on school grounds.

    You said, “What you would do is enable a system that threatens another person (ultimately kills them if they disobey)  steals their property and / or their right to self determination, you can’t deny that”. Again, those are your words. Living in America isn’t free. There are tons of programs that have to be paid for. Taxes are a part of life. No one likes paying them but there it is. Taxes will be around long after you and I are gone. Again, it comes down to who you vote for.

    You said, “Do you believe an action that is immoral for you or I to do somehow becomes moral if a group of thugs that have annointed themselves my “leaders” tells you it’s okay”?  If you look up the word “immoral”, you will see taxes are not  in the definition. Again those are your words. I voted for those who are currently in office along with the majority. Again, it’s up to you to take part in studying the candidates and making an informed decision.  If you don’t vote, you are not being heard.

    You said, “Also, I can’t help it if you voted in the unfree elections,  in order to vote in the free elections , all you had to do was commit to being peaceful.  So, maybe you got in the wrong line”. The elections are free. Again, those are your words. Elections have been around since the beginning of this country. It obviously works and is written in the constitution Amendment XIX. Breaking the law like freekeeners do does not make them peaceful.

    You said, “It’s true I was elected, I even have an official seal from the Emperor.  In case you were wondering an Emperor’s official seal is way more powerful than some angry eagle emblem or a false live free or die motto….way more”.  OK? Which means what?

  33. FlintNH Jumping Jacks You said, “I posted something, to which you replied with a bunch of nonsense.  By definition, you were the one “trying to start a confrontation.”  Ergo, by your own standards, “your behavior is very sad.” Post what I said. Again, those are your words with no proof.

    You said, “You’ve stated that the school treats FreeKeene different from other groups.  Including declaring that their very presence is verboten.  That’s discrimination, by definition (ie, treating one group different from other groups)”. Again you are wrong. It wasn’t freekeene banned from the school property, it was Ian, Matt Phillips, Derrick who were banned. The laws are there to protect our children. If they wanted to do it right, they should have asked permission to be on campus.

    You said, “Now, there are certainly times when discrimination is justified.  For example, I’m normally very peaceable, but if someone tried to stab me, I would be inclined to shoot him.  I discriminate against those who try to stab me”. So to make a point you interject violence. You claim to be peaceful yet you carry a gun.

    You sound just like Chris Cantwell. Look at his life. He is paranoid, childish, been arrested many times.

    You said, “You could have, if you had a functioning brain, attempted to argue that their discrimination is in some way justified.  Instead, you’ve taken the ludicrous position that they are not discriminating, while also stating that they’ve threatened to arrest these individuals if they show up, which is patently-obvious discrimination”. Again, those are your words and insults. Why don’t you and the other freekeeners go to a PTA meeting? At least you will get some answers to your questions. You may not like them but it’s up to you to explore all options and get feedback.   

    The rest of your statements were just rants and raves with no purpose.

  34. Jumping Jacks FlintNH You keep demanding “proof” that’s already been provided.
    You also, apparently, can’t even keep up with your own nonsense, let alone what others have said.  You’ve stated that FreeKeene, as a group, should be banned.  And supported that by stating that certain members have been banned.  You then turn around and claim that it’s not discrimination, because the group has not been banned (despite the fact that that discrimination against the group is exactly what you’re calling for).
    Additionally, you can’t seem to keep track of the fact that I’m not in any way associated with FreeKeene.

    I did not “interject violence.”  Your sociopathic level of violence was already here – you make Cantwell look like a pacifist (and that’s saying a lot, from me, since I can’t stand that guy).

    And yes, as a peaceful person, I carry a gun.  Those like me are why NH both the most heavily-armed and also just about the safest place on the planet.  All true lovers of peace have been pro-gun (or pro-armament, before guns were around).  Gandhi, for example, said that disarming the Indian people was the absolute worst offense that the British committed against them.  He recognized, as I do, that in a society where there is the ready ability to address those who choose to commit violence, few of them will actually do so, bringing greater peace.  The presence of arms on a widespread basis prevents the necessity of actually using those arms.
    Again, you demonstrate that you’re really some non-NH agitator.  Those of us who are actually from here know that auto insurance is not mandatory, and that guns are everywhere.  How you can imagine anyone will believe you’re actually from NH when you can’t even get the basics right is just beyond reasoning…

  35. FlintNH Jumping Jacks You said, ” You keep demanding “proof” that’s already been provided”. You haven’t provided anything. In other words, prove your statements.

    Regarding freekeene, the school rules are very explicit. There are channels you have to go through to be on school property during school hours. If freekeene cannot follow through, then it’s there problem It’s not discrimination. 

    You said, “I did not “interject violence.”  Your sociopathic level of violence was already here – you make Cantwell look like a pacifist (and that’s saying a lot, from me, since I can’t stand that guy). All you are doing here is showing your childish insulting behavior because I was right.

    You said, “And yes, as a peaceful person, I carry a gun.  Those like me are why NH both the most heavily-armed and also just about the safest place on the planet”.  If you are a peaceful person, you wouldn’t carry a gun. Your statements make you a hypocrite. NH has the 13th highest gun ownership in America. http://www.bloomberg.com/visual-data/best-and-worst//most-registered-guns-per-capita-states
    So again you over exaggerate the real stats. 

    You said, “Gandhi, for example, said that disarming the Indian people was the absolute worst offense that the British committed against them.  He recognized, as I do, that in a society where there is the ready ability to address those who choose to commit violence, few of them will actually do so, bringing greater peace”.  Sorry this is America not India. You again are advocating the carrying and use of firearms while claiming to be peaceful. That makes you a hypocrite. Having guns around does not make it safer. Those are your words and not even accurate ones. The “disarming of Indian people speech was not what you thought it was. Pro gun people activists use that speech out of context.  http://wagingnonviolence.org/feature/what-gandhi-really-thought-about-guns/

     You said, “Again, you demonstrate that you’re really some non-NH agitator.  Those of us who are actually from here know that auto insurance is not mandatory, and that guns are everywhere.  How you can imagine anyone will believe you’re actually from NH when you can’t even get the basics right is just beyond reasoning”. Your statements again are just childish insults that mean nothing. You can’t even carry on a decent conversation without name calling. That shows the low level of your maturity and lack of intelligence about the subject matter.

  36. FlintNH Jumping Jacks 
    I need to jump in here because flint you really are talking out your ass. Jacks calling for them to be banned is an opinion, his. Him stating that as a group, Free Keene has not been banned is a fact. There is no back peddling or anything going on. You’re just dumb.

    He stated that a few people of said group have been banned, but that is different. If a convicted child molester is banned and part of a group of recovering child molesters, would you say the school discriminated against the whole group?

    If you really want to bring up that only people who are from there should be commenting about policies developed there, than by that logic Free Keene and FSP are actually invaders and an occupying force. While I do not currently live in NH, I am from the area and still have a lot of family there, so things do affect me.

  37. chadpatrick FlintNH Jumping Jacks Apparently, you haven’t been paying attention.  Your “facts” don’t address anything I actually said.  He’s calling for discrimination – of course that’s his opinion, and it’s his opinion (in favor of discrimination) which is being addressed.  Rather “dumb” of you to fail to understand that, eh?

    And yes, if a child molester was banned from a school, that would be discrimination.  I happen to think that discriminating against child molesters is a good thing, in many such situations.

    There’s a difference between someone who actually lives here expressing an opinion, and someone who doesn’t have any ties to NH, at all, just showing up on a website to rant, while lying and claiming to be a NH resident.  If he had honestly stated that he’s not from here but wished to express his opinion, that would be one thing.  But as a lying Internet troll, he’s clearly just interested in disruption.

    And no, the FSP is not “invading” or “occupying” NH.  A few thousand liberty lovers have moved to the most-liberty-friendly state in the US, because of the FSP, in among the thousands of others who do so for the same reason each year, and have been doing so for decades.  And even if all 20,000 moved tomorrow, they could not be an “invasion,” because they could not possibly control NH.  It would take at least 100,000 (probably closer to 125,000) to even be a swing block in any significant election.  So, the only way that Freestaters can possibly control the outcome of an election is by convincing several (4-5) times their own number to vote the same way.  And, if they have managed to convince the existing NH residents that their way is the right way, then they certainly have not “invaded,” because the existing residents have endorsed them.

    If you hate liberty, then it’s good that you’ve left NH.  Maybe you can convince your liberty-hating family to do the same, eh?  Why would they want to live here, if they hate liberty, when places like Mass. and NY are so close?

  38. You’re not “liberty” activists.  You’re a bunch of juvenile douchebags who get off on harassing public employees and private citizens.

  39. WEEDA CLAUS Jumping Jacks FlintNH
    Then go find somewhere else to live where you don’t have to pay for things you don’t want, weedadouche.  See?  Simple.

  40. FlintNH chadpatrick Jumping Jacks 
    Trying to attack my family is a coward style. You actually know nothing of them so right there we know you are talking out your ass. Way to build credibility bud.

    you don’t seem to understand what is actually being addressed. 
    “And yes, prohibiting a group from peacefully distributing information is discrimination.”
    these are your words. His opinion if FK should be banned or not, is not the issue.His opinion has nothing to do with the conversation. You brought up the discrimination issue but have yet to prove on what grounds they are being discriminated against. please enlighten us. 

    To address your point about invading an area. If the purpose of moving 20,000 people to NH with the purpose of undermining the local government in place, yes that is an occupational force. Did the people of NH ask the FSP or FK to come and do what they are doing? Or did both groups choose an area to push their ideals upon? If it is the second choice, please accept that you have lost this point and they have invaded an area against the wishes of the locals. 

    To your point of local/non-local opinions on a topic. This is ignorant and you’re dumb. This argument could be used to say if you never been to war, what ever you say about war doesn’t matter. Or if you never arrested someone, you don’t have an opinion that counts in regards to police.

  41. Jumping Jacks WEEDA CLAUS FlintNH
    “Again, those are your words. Living in America isn’t free. There are tons of programs that have to be paid for. Taxes are a part of life. No one likes paying them but there it is. Taxes will be around long after you and I are gone.”
    No Jacks. When referring to programs that society needs to pay for, your conclusions as to how this should be accomplished (as well as your insistence that only one institution should provide them) is entirely wrong. Even from your narrow perspective, it should be obvious even to you that taxes are in no way a force of nature or “a part of life”. Taxes are instead the price society pays for failing to create a civilized society based upon voluntary solutions. The increasing number of taxpayer-funded programs that have been created as a result of this (as well as the degree of taxation that’s levied to fund them) has corresponded to this degree of failure. Do you think that reinforcing this failure with even more coercion in the future is really the best route to travel? Or are you just spouting more clichés without bothering to think about what they really mean?
    “Again, it comes down to who you vote for.”
    No Jacks. Participation in the election process does not give everyone a voice in government. I should think that the simple fact that there are winners and losers in these voting contests would make that obvious to you. Why do you continue to post these absurdly overly-generalized clichés? Are they all you have to depend on?
    So what are the problems with representative democracies? Besides the obvious issue of voter fraud, there is also the problem that voters are restricted in the number of candidates they get to choose between (voters at best get two or maybe three candidates to choose from). That’s not much of a choice is it? Disregarding those problems, democracy (representative or otherwise) has an even greater flaw. In democracies, only the voters who elect the winning candidates get to have representation. The losers get no representation. And neither do any of the voters who decline to participate. At best minority voters get to vote in self-defense, only being able to vote for candidates who will screw them less. How is that a choice?
    While this would be less of a issue if representatives were willing to restrict their legislative actions to the protection of life, liberty, and property, the fact is they aren’t. Worse, the majority doesn’t want their representatives to restrain themselves to those limitations, which is precisely why elected representatives are in the business of selling political favors in the first place. Unfortunately for the rest, particularly those individuals with the fewest financial resources, such political favors are out of reach, leaving them with no say in how they’re taxed or ruled. Not surprisingly, those same individuals are the least likely to even bother participating in the election process at all. They either choose to accept their fate or they’re forced to resort to acts of civil disobedience to protest their treatment. Can you really blame them?

  42. chadpatrick FlintNH Jumping Jacks Lying and claiming that your family has been attacked is pretty ridiculous.
    Claiming that someone’s opinion is irrelevant is ridiculous, as well.  If the KKK comes in and says that all Blacks should be lynched, should we be silent, because that’s just their opinion?
    You also, as with him, cannot read.  Go back and try to absorb the plain English in my first post.  You might notice that it is conditional: that they either must allow the FK group the same access as other groups, or they would be engaging in discrimination.  They have the choice of which route to take.  JJ favors that they discriminate.  If you want to know on what grounds they might base such discrimination, you’d have to ask those supporting it.

    And yes, the FSP was asked to come here, and welcomed with open arms by many.  The reason NH was chosen was because folks from here begged the FSP to choose NH from among all possible choices.  There were months of discussion and debate, in which those supporting NH as a choice managed to convince the membership to vote that way.  I know that I was certainly quite glad that they chose NH, so I’d have some help resisting the actual invaders who have come here from NY, RI, CT and the like, trying to destroy everything NH has traditionally stood for.

    Your last paragraph is just foolish.  I didn’t state that one cannot have an opinion without direct experience.  I stated that such an opinion is not credible, when one is lying about having direct experience.  If he’d honestly admitted that he’s not actually from NH, but wished to express his opinion anyway, that would be no issue.  Since he consistently lies, thought, he has no credibility.  Do try to keep up.

  43. FlintNH chadpatrick Jumping Jacks 
    ” Maybe you can convince your liberty-hating family to do the same, eh? 
    Why would they want to live here, if they hate liberty, when places like
    Mass. and NY are so close?”
    That would be you trying to attack my family. C’mon now you really can’t be this stupid.
    You are the one going on about that they are being discriminated against, so on what grounds are they being discriminated for? If you can’t answer this, it’s because you’re full of shit. 
    Please provide proof of your claim that people begged FSP to come here, or is this another one of your lies?
     
    “There’s a difference between someone who actually lives here expressing an opinion, and someone who doesn’t have any ties to NH” These are your words not mine. you can keep trying to back peddle but you’re just making yourself out to be a fool.

  44. chadpatrick FlintNH Jumping Jacks Your family hates you, so suggesting that they move closer to you is an attack?
    And with your final paragraph, you rather sealed your fate, didn’t you?  Cutting out part of a sentence to try and support your lie, eh?
    “There’s a difference between someone who actually lives here expressing
    an opinion, and someone who doesn’t have any ties to NH, at all, just
    showing up on a website to rant, while lying and claiming to be a NH
    resident.”
    Nope, with the whole sentence, I clearly said exactly the same thing, both times (that the issue was his false claim of residence), and your lies won’t convince anyone otherwise, now will they?

  45. FlintNH chadpatrick Jumping Jacks 
    Again talking out your ass and bombing any credibility you might have had. 
    “Your family hates you,” Again you are talking about something you know nothing of. Your stupidity is amusing.

    If he had stated he was from the north pole it wouldn’t matter. you tried to make a point of residency being important in forming of an opinion that matters. How many times can you show a dumbass nature?

  46. chadpatrick FlintNH Jumping Jacks So, you’re saying they don’t hate you?  Then, suggesting that they move closer to you isn’t suggesting something negative, right?  Therefore, not an attack.

    And, no matter how many times you try and tell the lie, I never said that residency was important.  No one with a functioning brain could believe your nonsense.

  47. Lord Keene WEEDA CLAUS Jumping Jacks FlintNH

    I agree Lord Keene, you are simple.  Now please stop pulling the cats tail and picking thru the litter box okay?

  48. FlintNH chadpatrick Jumping Jacks 
    so you admit that his opinion is just as important AND that the line about where he lives or doesn’t could have been left out of your comment?

  49. chadpatrick FlintNH Jumping Jacks His opinion is not as important, because he’s a liar.  And no, demonstrating that he’s a liar could not have been “left out,” because then you’d be whining that there was no evidence to support the claim, now wouldn’t you?

  50. FlintNH chadpatrick Jumping Jacks 
    i really can’t believe how borderline retard you are. however, because your movement contains people like you, i know that it will never succeed.

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