State vs Federal Citizenship and Changing Parties to Libertarian

Great news! As of 2016’s election, the Libertarian Party of NH regained ballot status equal to the Rs and Ds for the first time in two decades! I’d previously been registered as a Democrat for the purposes of running for office but this year I made the switch to Libertarian, since it was the first time I’ve been able to do that since moving here in 2006.

That’s the short version of the story. There’s more, however. In addition to re-registering to vote as a Libertarian, I also modified the voter registration form to reflect my “state citizen” status and put the Keene City Clerk and Secretary of State of NH offices on notice of that.

What is a “state citizen”, you ask? Good question. Here’s my understanding, which the clerk and S.O.S. didn’t contradict. I present to you the notice I sent to the clerk and S.O.S. and the video of my visit to the clerk’s office to change my voter registration and notice them of my state citizen status, under duress. Below the video, I’ll discuss in more detail.

First, beware that there are a lot of “paytriots” out there who will sell you information purported to get you out of the state system if you just file the right papers in the right order in the right places. It’s all a bunch of crap, from what I can tell. If you try their methods and they don’t work, they’ll just claim you did something wrong. You didn’t study enough, didn’t buy the advanced course, etc.

Last year, I attended an online class called “Destination Freedom” by Christopher Gronski from Lee, NH. It was recommended by a good friend of mine, Jay Noone, a man who once put his own home on the line to test his own theories.

Christopher Gronski's Presentation to the NH Liberty Forum in 2017.

Christopher Gronski’s Presentation to the NH Liberty Forum in 2017.

To his credit, Gronski addresses the “paytriot” scammers and acknowledges that no amount of paperwork is going to stop the government from hurting you, if that’s what they want to do. Gronski does charge for his course and any consulting work, however he does give away some of his key information for free. Here’s a video of his presentation to the NH Liberty Forum in 2017.

Gronski’s research shows that the U.S. Supreme Court acknowledges three distinct definitions for the term “United States”. According to Hooven & Allison Co. v. Evatt. 324 U.S. 652 (1945), “the term “United States” may be used in any one of several senses. It may be merely the name of a sovereign occupying the position analogous to that of other sovereigns in the family of nations. It may designate the territory over which the sovereignty of the United States extends, or it may be the collective name of the states which are united by and under the Constitution.

Whenever you see “US Citizen” in government documents, you think you know what it means, but if it’s not defined, you’re jumping to a conclusion. US Citizen can mean you’re a federal citizen – one who owes the federal government a duty of allegiance in return for an obligation of protection. (A quick google search reveals the federal government’s Supreme Court has ruled again and again that they have no obligation to protect you, so we know federal citizenship is a lie and a scam.) However, under the third definition of “United States”, US Citizen can simply mean a citizen of one of the states – independent nations which joined together as the “United States”.

Edward J Burke

Keene District Court Judge Edward J Burke threatened me with violence if I didn’t get their driver’s license, becoming a state citizen.

Indeed, Gronski’s research reveals that, according to U.S. Supreme Court case United States v. Cruikshank. 92 U.S. 542 (1875), “There is in our political system a government of each of the several States, and a Government of the United States. Each is distinct from the others, and has citizens of its own who owe it allegiance, and whose rights, within its jurisdiction, it must protect. The same person may be at the same time a citizen of the United States and a citizen of a State, but his rights of citizenship under one of those governments will be different from those he has under the other.

Given citizenship is an agreement trading allegiance for protection, and considering that it’s already clear the federal citizen status is a scam, I don’t consent to being a federal citizen. However, this doesn’t mean I’m not a “US Citizen”. By their own definitions, if I’m a New Hampshire state citizen, then I’m also a US Citizen, just not a federal citizen.

But, why would I want to even be a New Hampshire citizen? I don’t. I don’t even believe in the idea of “the state”. The idea of the state is one that allows people to justify violence against their peaceful neighbors, and as a voluntaryist and a peace minister, I oppose the idea of the state entirely. Despite the fact that their own state constitution specifies in article one of its Bill of Rights that a government of right is by the consent of the goverened, the state government believers, specifically Keene’s judge Edward Burke, have threatened me to the point where I have accepted the state citizen status under duress.

Welcome to New Hampshire!

Welcome to New Hampshire!

I explained all this in my notice to the city clerk, which she refused to accept in written form in person, so I read it out loud while re-registering to vote as a Libertarian, had my notice notarized, and then mailed a copy of that to them and the NH S.O.S. when I got home. So, it’s pretty clearly on-the-record. I invited them to rebut any of my legal conclusions and research within 30 days, and have never heard from them or the NH Secretary of State.

So, I’m working within the system for now, under duress as a New Hampshire state citizen, which means I’m also a “US Citizen” (but not a federal citizen), until New Hampshire secedes, which will be one of my next campaign platforms when I file to run for office next month.

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  1. im at the point where Ian is shoveling out cash for notarizing: you can get stuff notarized at the bank for free next time fyi… then the state doesn’t get 10 smackers…

  2. Yea- I kind of agree with David! I know I know. It’s David. But he makes a valid point here. However David I think the reason Ian did that was so that he’d have her signature and everything else and there would be no question about the state having received notice via multiple means. And honestly- the $10 is nothing compared to the cash which is being stolen via the city and state via other means. ie property taxes which you are ultimately paying via rents and/or mortgages and/or directly. The government(s) don’t take lightly to ignoring the bills they send for property taxes as they might to other refusals to pay up. And unlike other things where they say you owe them money they can easily take it from you in the form of seizing property and refusing you entry (and if you refuse then via violence) without having the burden to kidnap and imprison (at least at first depending on how far you take it).

  3. dont say “i know i know its david” you stupid fuck;you dont fucking know me at all you stupid shit..and if you ARE going to say some ignorant shit aka talk out of your asshole ,,put your name to it coward

  4. dont address me here you dumb fuck,k? hopefully thats clear to you

  5. Welcome to another losing team Ian. It must be rough going through life anonymously that you have to continue to switch parties.

  6. Say Jacks, aren’t you one of those patriotic folks who unwaveringly holds the belief that voting in elections is the single most important act an American can undertake? Knowing that, I’m surprised that you failed to point out that now that Ian is registered as a libertarian he can no longer vote in the democratic primaries. Don’t you think you should be applauding Ian’s decision rather than denigrating it, sweet pea?

  7. Say Jacks, I see you’re still reading all of that gloom and doom nonsense peddled by Yahoo Finance. Maybe you should take a gander at this as well? Be sure you’re holding onto something secure before you read it, pookums!

  8. It looks like your insufficient and flawed understanding of the significance of Cruikshank — a 143 year-old ruling — is limited to the pulled quotes taken from a Wikipedia article. Regardless, Cruikshank is petty much considered bad law these days.

    Attaching something to your voter file and getting your documents notarized means nothing. While you and your ilk (like this illiterate & foul-mouthed Crawford character above, no doubt) waste public officials’ time, at least you provide some cheap entertainment for us thinking, rational, intelligent, educated normal people.

  9. My goodness, you’re not really one of those thinking, rational, intelligent, educated, normal people that the rest of us hear so much about, now are you Todd? Holy moly this is exciting! You folks always have such wisdom to share!

    So, you say that Wikipedia is a substandard researching tool? Well I didn’t know that! Oh, and anyone who disagrees with you is a source of cheap entertainment? Why I didn’t know that either! Those are some keen observations, Todd!

    Say June bug, now that we’re all friends, I don’t suppose you’d consider contributing something a little meatier next time? Maybe if some of us promise to vote for the right public officials this year, you can let us in on the big stuff?

  10. i registered as a libertarian the other day too

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